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Warhammer Online : Age of Reckoning: Faction Balance Numbers Revealed
Szark
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Mythic has published a breakdown of North American average server populations of the game's two factions, showing roughly equal percentages for each faction on average. They also compare average experience and average renown for the factions, and compare the numbers to the most unbalanced server, Monolith.
We wanted to take a little time to talk about one of the current community concerns: the subject of Faction population differences. Over the past few months, we’ve been closely evaluating the differences in the number of players who actively play Destruction on each server versus those who play Order. We have seen some shifting with free server transfers that has, in truth, improved the Faction population differences. In most cases, the number variances are actually very subtle, but we wanted to share some data with you.
On average, the Faction population difference on each server is negligible; and surprisingly, it is not always the same Faction that has the higher populace. The majority of the servers have an extremely equal Faction population breakdown of 50/50, with the remainder following very close behind. (This is based on active players who are currently gaining Experience and/or Renown Points.)
Average of All North American Servers (Order / Destruction)
Active Accounts Per Faction: 49% / 51%
Relative Average Exp. Earning Rate per Time Unit: 50% / 50%
Relative Average RP Earning Rate per Time Unit: 50% / 50%
Average Exp. Per Character: 50% / 50%
Average RP Per Character: 50% / 50%
Read more here.
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WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP!!!
Mythic obviously doesn't want to release the Oceanic server numbers, as they know how appallingly unbalanced they are. On Darklands, us Order are typically outgunned by Destruction by a factor of 5 to 1 on most nights, with most if not ALL tier 4 zones locked in Destructions favour.
Where the HELL are the dogs of WAR they promised to give the looses a fighting chance?
What seems highly unlikely is that their numbers are 50/50 across the board (unless they used a very limited cross section of numbers).
At least they should have mixed the m numbers up.. a couple 45/55 or 60/40 to make it believable.
You really won't believe them will you? You are the perfect example of the Wizard's First Rule:
People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People’s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool.
Because your faction has a bad night, you think that your sides are unbalanced? Or perhaps your login times happen to correspond with the peak time for the opposite faction...
Or even worse...
Everyone else on my server believes it is unbalanced so it must be true.
People are stupid.
Believe these results and your the fool!
What are they trying to pull? 2009's best fraud?
I don't believe those numbers because they are PERFECT in terms of balance (other than the 49/51). It's not possible (Okay, for the sake of argument it's possible but highly unlikely) given the massive quantities of numbers that went into the tallies that ended up in such an amazingly exact split down the middle.
The results are surprising,to say the least. Now I'm not one to argue with facts, but it's strange the US version is so different from the EU version, as on the EU version there are far more realms giving boost XP and renown for Order than for Destructions (Boost is an attempt to lure more players to a certain side to balance it out)
If we read everything they say.. they CANT give out REAL numbers. Those numbers are 'overall and average". And if you do believe them lol go pick ANY server and watch.
"overall and average" this was POSTED on VN boards by MYTH. So I didnt just make that up..
Well all I can say is those numbers are highly suspicious. While I don't play on all their servers, I do on a couple and order is on the losing side all the time on both. I also don't know any servers that are order dominated which would have to be the case to balance out the numbers because my brother and I discussed moving to one if one existed and we could not find one.
So it is quite possible that Mythic made up the numbers to quiet the whiners.
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wow, that was funny, so before i quit we hardly found enough ppl to form 1 warband and in 30 mins 3 Desc warbands would come to zerg us. At least make it like %60-%40 or smthg. Epic fail....
There are only posting the numbers of players on either side. This doesn't take in account how organize the players are or the player's skill level which plays an important role in who wins. They can not make one side win.
I don't see this as a lie. You guys may percieve it that way because you have lost games, didn't see many players around you ..etc etc. I would be more opt to believe the companies data, they can easily pull these numbers from the servers before I judge player population because a player says they lose a lot or they didn't see many players around them to help.
I don't see them gaining anything from lying about these numbers. If there were an imbalance in numbers they could fix it by offering transfers and limiting how many characters can be created on either faction on each server. Which they would probably do if the sides were imbalanced drastically.
Mythic has a long time reputation of ignoring any fact that doesn't coincide with their perception of what is happening within their game. I don't even play WAR and I don't believe these percentages.
Not saying it would be different numbers, but I'd rather see "Active Characters In-game on Average During Peak Hours" than the reported "Active Accounts Per Faction". They give Exp and RP gain per character, so why not "active characters" too instead of "active accounts"?
I really hope WAR is doing very well, and continues to do so, but giving numbers that are kind'a suggesting things are ok, but not numbers that prove it's ok, makes me fear it's a clever dodge and the situation is otherwise. :-(
This is overal numbers it doesn't break it down to servers.
I move server around christmas time and i glad i did now i'm on a very active server both side are balance, we even Attack IC the other night. Now i do play order and i do find some night you just can't do any RvR because there's to much Destr and other nights its the other way round.
But then again the figures are for the US not EU.
It's ironic seeing this. I don't believe those numbers either. They may be true with the data they chose to use, but that is far from the reality.
I play Destro on Phoenix throne...and it is the opposite there.
Order raids our fortresses daily, and I've yet to even see one of their fortresses.
Last night I ran out to T4 greenskin where the major fighting was. Destro had two full warbands out and couldn't even get out of their warcamp.
There were easily 3 or 4 warbands camping our warcamp, and then I heard in alliance that they had another two warbands in the empire zone....
It is like this pretty much every day on phoenix throne.
Hmm, you seem to be the only person who is believing almost anything. Most other posters seem to speak from personal experience and in their opinion, the servers are unbalanced.
If you think EA/Mythic has nothing to gain by misrepresenting these numbers, and that its beyond their capability to lie about it, I've got a bridge for sale you might be interested in.
I can't speak to the game as it currently is, but in the first two months after launch, on a US server I played on, Order routinely was outnumbered and crushed in almost every case. Might have changed since then....
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I've been playing WAR since launch, and am really enjoying it. I also play on Vortex, considered one of the more balanced Servers and still Order is outnumbered by Destro all the time.
In most fights, my guild uses a mod showing the number of destro and order in the zones, and it usually ends up about 2:3. Of course, it is still balanced because Order is much more organized as a whole (not to say Tacos doesn't do his best :P)
This, of course doesn't take into account people NOT in the RvR areas, and I can fully see Order attracting more people who only want to PvE (although I can't imagine why, I like WAR, I like Public Quests, but man, is PvE terrible), but since the game is based off of RvR and (despite what they tell you) it is damn hard to lock zones through PvE means only... I really think the only people that SHOULD count in their numbers is Active Charecters that RvR, they are the ones contributing.
These numbers seem to take into account all my destro charecters that I never play. I have a lvl 32 Witch Elf on another server, but I am primarily an Order fellow, and seems unfair my alts would be counted twords balance, when I do not contribute in the slightest.
Maybe, in a wierd, skewed way of looking at it, they are balanced, but man... I doubt it
Edited for grammar, even though I probably missed some :S
They are cherry picking with their stats. I stopped playing a few weeks ago, I am sure they added my character in.I know at least 100 people who have quit in the last month. They were probably included also. The player base is draining away. The factions were always lopsided on my server. Those numbers are totally unbelievable.
The bottom line is, true or not, they need to address consumer's grievances, not paint a pretty picture. It accomplishes nothing. Numbers, whether real or imaginary, don't retain subscribers... perception and a person's in-game experience does. Get a grip, Mythic.
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Holy cow.. lookie at those numbers. Mythic... can we believe it? Woot! Warhammer working as intended! You guys can now resub. I guess I'll resub back to Tor Achere.
Oh wait.. everyone transferred off of there..... Never mind. I'll wait for Aion.
Hmm.. I guess there really IS no spoon.
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Statistically this is obvious bullshyt.
Not even flipping a coin x times will give you such a Perfect 50/50 split.
Somebody either did the math wrong or fudged the numbers to make it come out 'right'.