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Who would buy Age of Conan if Funcom goes bankrupt?
PecanNuts69
Member Posts: 69
This is pure speculation..
If Funcom for some reason goes bankrupt, who do you think would buy Age of Conan?
For example do you think Blizzard would buy it and use the engine to make some other, better MMO?
And could the new owner legally shut down the servers? I'm asking because I'm worried about my toons because I spent a lot of time leveling them up.
Discuss.
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another paranoic. don't worry. AoC wont die for a long time
No one, because Funcom won't go bankrupt.............
Guys I understand your hate towards Funcom, but you have to be realistic.
1) AoC has enough subscribers to keep it going and the fact that Funcom is fixing it will make this game even more profitable in the years to come.
2) AoC is not the first MMO for Funcom, Anarchy Online had less subscribers than AoC, yet not only they got the money to fund 3 expansions, but had enough funds to finance AoC (of course with help from other investors)
So, it is ok to keep criticising Funcom for their behaviour towards their customers, it is ok to criticise the state of the game (still not as it is supposed to be), but if you hope Funcom will go bust, you are in for a long wait..............
Originally posted by Azrile
I've always said Funcom would be out of business by the end of January.. never said Christmas. Read their 'special meeting' minutes from Dec 19th
Wait a couple more days, this guy seems to know the ins and outs of the company, im guessing he plays the game daily to know what he is talking about.
Azriles been shifting his they'll be dead date ever since launch just like every other doom sayer. They'll be dead next week. Wait I said next month, No next year. Wait they'll definatly be dead by 3010.
Maybe Aventurine could!!??!!
LOL
A joke post, Azrile <---- a mega troll.
No, FC will not go bankrupt.
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I heard increasing Subscriber numbers make Gamedevelopers go backrupt! LOL, nice troll.
Hey have a look on AoC in Xfire, up another +15% since last saturday (and let me remind you that last saturday also was after the merge)
In fact AoC is on a 3 month high now, activity records every weekend. Just percistently climbing in popularity. Here you go: www.xfire.com/games/aoc/Age_of_Conan_Hyborian_Adventures/
Funcom is going to find it harder and harder to borrow money. Who knows if they will go under but they can't be doing well.
I would imagine that someone would buy Age of Conan.
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If I remember correctly, you were the guy who said Xfire doesn't mean anything? Also I remember seing a thread on official forums where some players asked others to install Xfire so that it would seem like Age of Conan is becoming more popular. It's the same old trick Eve used.
And besides Xfire numbers have nothing to do with possible bankrupcy of Funcom. If you want to look at numbers, why not look at stock numbers: uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts
If Funcom does not have enough money to pay their debt, it does not matter what the Xfire numbers are.
If I remember correctly, you were the guy who said Xfire doesn't mean anything? Also I remember seing a thread on official forums where some players asked others to install Xfire so that it would seem like Age of Conan is becoming more popular. It's the same old trick Eve used.
And besides Xfire numbers have nothing to do with possible bankrupcy of Funcom. If you want to look at numbers, why not look at stock numbers: uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts
If Funcom does not have enough money to pay their debt, it does not matter what the Xfire numbers are.
Ref please on pretty much everything you claim. OrionMan, just showed us some facts and yes they do show an activity increase in AoC. You have not shown anything else than that you can post.
If I remember correctly, you were the guy who said Xfire doesn't mean anything? Also I remember seing a thread on official forums where some players asked others to install Xfire so that it would seem like Age of Conan is becoming more popular. It's the same old trick Eve used.
And besides Xfire numbers have nothing to do with possible bankrupcy of Funcom. If you want to look at numbers, why not look at stock numbers: uk.finance.yahoo.com/echarts
If Funcom does not have enough money to pay their debt, it does not matter what the Xfire numbers are.
Ref please on pretty much everything you claim. OrionMan, just showed us some facts and yes they do show an activity increase in AoC. You have not shown anything else than that you can post.
Actually what OrionMan showed us only shows an activity increase in Xfire. For all we know this could be because of their 'lets all install Xfire to get better rating' -campaign.
What I showed was Funcom stock numbers which is a completely different thing. Funcom stock has gone down from 54 to 3 in about six months. That is a HUGE decrease and looks like investor are still seeing Funcom as a bad investment. I mean would you invest your money on Funcom right now? Yeah, me neither.
Like I said, Xfire numbers don't pay the bills. I just hope if they have to sell Age of Conan, the new owner doesn't shut down the servers.
Not sure if you noticed, PecanNuts69, but the Funcom stocks appear to have been pretty stable over the last two months, even increasing slightly since Dec 8th. I have very little experience with the stock-market, but one would think that the stocks for companies that were a week or two from bankruptcy would have a downward-trend, not a stable/slightly upwards pointing trend? But as I said, I have little experience in that field, so it might be normal for all I know. *shrug*
Arnold, the governator will buy it!
Now ain't that the truth!
I am positive we have read this conversation like several times over the past few months, maybe the OP relatives?
They wont go bankrupt any time soon at least. I say if things don't look up by this time next year, well, then that marks the end.
Many people are posting that AoC has upwards of 300,000 subs. It's probably more like upwards of 200,000...250,000 at the most. This isn't bad since I heard that they were at 90,000 at one point.
Haters wanna burry Funcom and AoC because it wasn't some MEGA success that a lot of people HOPED it was going to be. They will always hate and always say AoC and Funcom are dead because AoC will never be this ultra successful MMO. It will be a good MMO that never quite gets the respect it should because of Funcoms poor decision making from the start.
AoC will probably top out at 500,000 subs at the most. THAT IS IF Funcom keeps their promises and fixes what STILL NEEDS TO BE FIXED.
I enjoy the game, but it has a bad rep due to the many problems it had....but, I don't think Funcom will go bankrupt.....any time soon.
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Ok everyone I don't think Funcom is going bankrupt, or failing, or going to die anytime soon.. this is not the reason for my post.
I just want to say to all of the retards who post xfire numbers like they are 100% fact and hold water... you guys are IDIOTS. Xfire numbers are a joke.. every guild/clan I have ever been in, in every single game, never once used xfire for anything period. Any guild who is serious uses Ventrilo and/or Teamspeak to communicate via chat or mic. Whens the last time you saw a guild advertise they have daily xfire chats.. ever? Now whens the last time you saw a guild advertise they have a vent server? Point proven.
I game with a group of about 30 friends from my school and just from a quick poll I ran by all of them which asked if they or any of their friends use xfire at all... I got 20+ "no ways", a couple "Fu*k off's", and 1 "sometimes." If you can give me one serious reason why xfire numbers are accurate at all... I will shut up. And checking that link you provided shows 1,353 people playing per day.... AoC has what.. 300k players at least? (Correct me on that one Avery I'm sure you know better than me)
And again people this is in no way a negative post towards AoC.. the fact that xfires numbers are so innacurate and AoC went up 15% still means there are litterally 1000's of people who xfire isn't counting that are playing AoC.
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Funcom found investment capital when it was easy to find based on the promise of a blockbuster title. It expanded to 300 employees (they've fired about 1/4 of their employees now) but still, it is near impossible to keep 225 people employed gainfully if Age of Conan has 100,000 subscribers.
Remember, AoC has to keep 3-4 other projects running along with itself. It ran about a 2 million dollar profit when it had 18 million in revenue...what's it going to do when it drops in half this next quarter? (those numbers are due in 3 weeks)
The answer? They will cut back, and inevitably when you cut back game production slows and the chances of a rebound decrease.
Indeed Funcom looks like they've turned a corner with AoC, but they had to. Compared to games with known populations, AoC was acting like a game with 50,000 subscriptions...not the 150,000+ it probably had. But no one is playing. Now XFire and other metrics show that they are acting more like a 100,000 player game...but seriously...a retention rate near 10% in 9 months with 900,000 in sales sucks REALLY BAD.
People can say all they want about XFire and such, but the next quarterly results will tell the tale of where Funcom truly is.
They have tampered with their numbers in the previous QRs. The dishonesty toward their customers is one thing, but mis-reporting to stockholders / market regulatory agencies is probably what will end up burning this company to the ground. We'll have to see just how bad the Norwegian Government wants FC to stay in bussiness, I am sure if they were thoroughly investigated FC would be in really deep Poo.
They have tampered with their numbers in the previous QRs. The dishonesty toward their customers is one thing, but mis-reporting to stockholders / market regulatory agencies is probably what will end up burning this company to the ground. We'll have to see just how bad the Norwegian Government wants FC to stay in bussiness, I am sure if they were thoroughly investigated FC would be in really deep Poo.
Dude get real will ya!
Compaired to what all the major banks have been doing around the globe lately... Funcom looks like complete saint to them.
So get a grip! They aren't stupid. They exactly know what to report and how to report it.
The realistic number of AoC subs at the moment seem to be around the 100k.
That is still 1,5 million dollars bruto income a month.
And it can only go upwards from here.
I have been on the hate boat just like everyone else here back in june, july and august.
But since that turd of a Gaute G. has left the company and Graig took over the Game Director position, Age of Conan is finally going into the positive direction.
A known bussiness woman here in Norway bought up a large quantity of Funcom stock last week. And this woman isn't stupid.
The FC stock is on it's lowest point right now and can only go up from here.
FC isn't going bankrupt any time soon. So keep dreaming.
If you want to go gambling on a company to go bankrupt anytime soon.... you better off in the Darkfall forums lol.
Cheers
Where are you people getting these 300k-500k numbers? AFAIK they havent released any and if they did there is no way to verify. Given the number they started with, the number that left and the recent server merges are we to beleive that they have tripled paying customers since hitting an all time low?
If you had $10,000 in the bank and it suddenly dropped to $50 but no lower would you feel that your financial situation was strong? What if it increased to $55? Is that 5$ going to make you sleep better at night or increase your confidence?
AOC isn't going anywhere as MMO's can survive on low populations but that doesnt mean FC will remain untouched. Time will tell
Well based on their last Q03 2008 financial report
Cash balance of TUSD 34.779 as of September 30, 2008 and low interest bearing debt. Payment from Eidos for box revenues in Q208 has been received after Q308.
( btw didnt they spent around $40m in 4 years for developing AoC )
Funcom does not need any external funding in 2009. Most of Funcoms cash and cash equivalents are being held in NOK.
Dont think they will bankrupt any time soon.
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They have tampered with their numbers in the previous QRs. The dishonesty toward their customers is one thing, but mis-reporting to stockholders / market regulatory agencies is probably what will end up burning this company to the ground. We'll have to see just how bad the Norwegian Government wants FC to stay in bussiness, I am sure if they were thoroughly investigated FC would be in really deep Poo.
Dude get real will ya!
Compaired to what all the major banks have been doing around the globe lately... Funcom looks like complete saint to them.
When people or a company are prosecuted the enforcing agencies always give you a free pass if someone has perpetrated a crime far worse that you.
So get a grip! They aren't stupid. They exactly know what to report and how to report it.
'Finding' millions they 'forgot' to report on a previous Quarterly says otherwise
The realistic number of AoC subs at the moment seem to be around the 100k.
Link please
That is still 1,5 million dollars bruto income a month.
Gross income, they claim to have massive operating costs for bandwidth, wich is estimated to be 25-50% of sub fees (not my numbers, seems high to me), not to mention a reported 300+ employees and offices in 3 countires.
And it can only go upwards from here.
Do i even have explain the flaw in this statement?
I have been on the hate boat just like everyone else here back in june, july and august.
Joined: 1/23/09, first time we've seen you 'round these parts.But since that turd of a Gaute G. has left the company and Graig took over the Game Director position, Age of Conan is finally going into the positive direction.
I like Craig he was a breath of fresh air for AO, but he is making game decisions, not company decisions, he's just a division manager, not a policy maker
A known bussiness woman here in Norway bought up a large quantity of Funcom stock last week. And this woman isn't stupid.
She is playing the stock market, it's a risk / reward game might as well call it what it is .. gambling, she'd only be stupid if she invested more than she could afford to lose.
The FC stock is on it's lowest point right now and can only go up from here.
if that were how a stock market worked the global economy wouldn't be sh!tting itself atm, you know better than to make a statement like that.FC isn't going bankrupt any time soon. So keep dreaming.
I never claimed it was, it will go back to being what is was before AoC, a company very few were familiar with that runs a game almost no one plays
If you want to go gambling on a company to go bankrupt anytime soon.... you better off in the Darkfall forums lol.
I am not willing to gamble on that, but as far as where I think the next best MMOs will be comming from, it's the Indy Dev Houses, they can shoot for the moon, they have less to lose, and no one whispering marketing and coroprate concerns in their ear while they are trying to design fun. I have high hopes for Icarus Studios and their Fallen Earth title, for those reasons.
Cheers
Where are you people getting these 300k-500k numbers? AFAIK they havent released any and if they did there is no way to verify. Given the number they started with, the number that left and the recent server merges are we to beleive that they have tripled paying customers since hitting an all time low?
If you actually read my post instead of just glancing and noticing some numbers you would have seen that I DID NOT SAY THERE ARE 300,000 or 500,000 subs, genius.
I said that there are PROBABLY something in the range of 200k-250k.....AND.......I said there most likely ARE NOT 300k-350k.
BUT......
I DID say that AoC's subs will PROBABLY top out at 500k....IN THE FUTURE....that is if Funcom can keep things going up....
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