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The Bottom Line (Reason most people are/should be skeptical)
When developers are still being secretive about their game, at a time very close to supposed release, you need to question for what reason they would do this rather than embrace as much free press as possible.
What it means from a business point of view is that the amount of money they stand to make by not informing people of exactly what the game is like currently....that amount of profit is GREATER than the amount they stand to make by letting everyone see it.
This is and should be cause for alarm.
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Yes again and again do not pre order a game you haven't tried, especially under nda, unless you can afford to lose the money when you do not like the game. Don't be stupid. Protect your assets. Diversify your bonds, @#$%%#$.
and thats the bottom line lawls...now nomore posts about being or should be skeptical cause the bottom line has been drawn O.o
I see your point though too bad nobody else really will
the game isn't ready ... that's clear
If the game proves to be what they promised , we all going to play it ... nomatter how how hard you scream now against it
The game will make publicity for itself when it will be out . On the other side just imagine what the great trolls could do with the beta bugs they most likely have now in beta
And yeah ... just don't preorder
And i'm pretty sure they won't get rich from preorders ... they need the game to work
I'll just wait and see ... easy
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They had two news released and released patch notes. Plenty of SS out there (Both official and leaked) and some movies (No new ones though), but you can not expect from a smaller company ESPECIALY close to release to release more information.
While I would love to see the NDA removed, they might not be ready for that just yet. As the patch notes showed they just implented/activated a lot of stuff. Still I agree it would be unwise to pre-order (Anything you did not play actualy :P).
Most MMO's are like this. You let out, leak whatever the best parts of the game (whats on paper) but only the real best selling points of the game. What would take bigger MMO's to put out, fix in a month or two it will take many months for these guys. They dont have the money or man power.
And if its so HOT people all over the globe would be standing in line to give these guys money.. a but there not.. YEARS later still dont have enough money for such a NEW hot mmo.. hmm you will get what you pay for. These guys should have talked to SOE.
Anything what looks or sounds to good to be true.. lol is.
As for "try before you buy" please what is this a FREE TO PLAY mmo? Try before you buy is spellborn and you thank GOD you got to try it and not buy that.
Its so funny to watch is people that really love the game yet know nothing about it but what was said (plus vids)and only the best parts. Then you start another thead like this and its "no no no cant hear you .. SPAM TROLL" lol..
The only thing thats going to happen is the ones that try it will say its fun but not ready.. well come back later blah blah. But if you have to ask why are they so quite so close to launch..lol has nothing to do with NDA.. NDA didnt stop any other mmo's.
NO.
All solid MMOS got public OPEN BETA before relase.
If there will be no OPEN BETA or free trial, you can consider already skiping the game.
tralallalala again again again again again AND ..... yes..... AGAIN ...
gear 3 now.... that means 3 posts like this per hour, please dont accelerate...
K.O.S.
ROFL....Call it what you want, but people are mature enough to make their own decision what they want to do when this game hits the streets, so personally I think all you guys are doing is adding to the free advertising, which will have the opposite effect you are trying to create.
While we are all wanting more proof and are frustrated with the lack of information, on the other hand all the bitching is pointless as they are not reading your posts, they too short handed as said above so they will just be working on getting this product out.
While I remain sceptical but also frustrated like many others, I will let the product speak for it's self rather than listening to the continued scaremongering which you guys keep bleating out, until there is some evidence one way or another you guys are just stirring the fire and sadly that is just creating a bad atmosphere on the boards.
What we need is constructive criticism based on evidence and that's not possible until we have all been able to at the very least see this product.
Bandit
Asbo
And your solution would be what? To accept whats said on blind faith? No thanks...
And you imply all "sceptics" are doing is stirring the fire...so what? Its a forum isnt it? People are interested in the game and want to know more about it. If however by the same token the devs say its not available to the public...then we wouldnt care would we?
Now some toolz here have said, they dont give a shit what you think as well...they dont want your money...they cant host all of you...and on and on. Frankly I hope all of this is also true...so I wont waste my money on a game that appears to have the most rabid subset of toolz...hatz...and clownz evah!
Oh and one last comment, all the secrecy has done is reinforce peoples perceptions that something stinks in Greece, and it aint the goat cheeze...if thats good publicity then I guess they are on to something...frankly I think its not.
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As an AoC beta tester and one of the skeptics who tried to warn people of the true state of the game, such as Sieges being "Tested internally and working perfect" yet not allowing the actual testers to even try them. Even having tester posts being deleted from the beta forums for pointing out issues was a warning sign, yet the faithful still held on.
Then came the limited NDA protected open beta. Again we warned people and were shot down for being trolls.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
And that should be a big red flag. You would think with the "thousands" of people being invited, someone would know to use fraps and youtube, even being crotchety old UO players they all claim to be. (No offense to UO, loved U3 on my apple II).
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
And your solution would be what? To accept whats said on blind faith? No thanks...
And you imply all "sceptics" are doing is stirring the fire...so what? Its a forum isnt it? People are interested in the game and want to know more about it. If however by the same token the devs say its not available to the public...then we wouldnt care would we?
Now some toolz here have said, they dont give a shit what you think as well...they dont want your money...they cant host all of you...and on and on. Frankly I hope all of this is also true...so I wont waste my money on a game that appears to have the most rabid subset of toolz...hatz...and clownz evah!
Oh and one last comment, all the secrecy has done is reinforce peoples perceptions that something stinks in Greece, and it aint the goat cheeze...if thats good publicity then I guess they are on to something...frankly I think its not.
Like I pointed out above I reserve the right until I at the very least have seen or had the opportunity to play/test to see if it is worthy of my time and investment, unlike your self who has clearly pre-judged it prior to it even being released, some may say that's not smart or clever, but hey you entitled to your opinion like you pointed out.
Interesting to see you obviously plan on not wasting your money on this substandard product at all which I'm cool with, but the hate you appear to generate in your post I do find quite amusing. That is quite unusual for someone of your age and maturity.
However there is something I'm not able to get my head round, you have already stated you are not going to waste your money on this game. Yet for someone who has little or no interest in DFO you appear to have a lot to say about a game you hate with so much passion. I could understand if you was being constructive but it appears you have little time for either the game or the developers too.
So pray tell why do you waste your time complaining about something you clearly dislike so much?
Bandit.
Asbo
And your solution would be what? To accept whats said on blind faith? No thanks...
And you imply all "sceptics" are doing is stirring the fire...so what? Its a forum isnt it? People are interested in the game and want to know more about it. If however by the same token the devs say its not available to the public...then we wouldnt care would we?
Now some toolz here have said, they dont give a shit what you think as well...they dont want your money...they cant host all of you...and on and on. Frankly I hope all of this is also true...so I wont waste my money on a game that appears to have the most rabid subset of toolz...hatz...and clownz evah!
Oh and one last comment, all the secrecy has done is reinforce peoples perceptions that something stinks in Greece, and it aint the goat cheeze...if thats good publicity then I guess they are on to something...frankly I think its not.
Like I pointed out above I reserve the right until I at the very least have seen or had the opportunity to play/test to see if it is worthy of my time and investment, unlike your self who has clearly pre-judged it prior to it even being released, some may say that's not smart or clever, but hey you entitled to your opinion like you pointed out.
Interesting to see you obviously plan on not wasting your money on this substandard product at all which I'm cool with, but the hate you appear to generate in your post I do find quite amusing. That is quite unusual for someone of your age and maturity.
However there is something I'm not able to get my head round, you have already stated you are not going to waste your money on this game. Yet for someone who has little or no interest in DFO you appear to have a lot to say about a game you hate with so much passion. I could understand if you was being constructive but it appears you have little time for either the game or the developers too.
So pray tell why do you waste your time complaining about something you clearly dislike so much?
Bandit.
Hate? Huh...me recapped what was said here by fans is hate? Did you actually read my post? And no I havnt prejudged it...I said and I hope...IF...that is the case...reread for 1+. Notice the word interested as well? Anyway you get a big FAIL stamped on your forehead for comprehension. Oh and I agree with your closing sentence in your previous post.
I agree with what you say totally, but on the other side for people to keep complaining about a developer who has not fed them with the food they need proves little or nothing.
I was a beta tester for Eve and they too had problems when they brought the game out and I truly believe that DFO will also have many issues if and when it does finally hit the street, but I hope they delay it for another month or two so as to clear up many of the problems they are bound to have. They too are a small company like CCP was and that's why we have to give them the opportunity to show their wares first.
They have only got a small team and that will multiply the problems they have and this is why I am getting fed up of people directing hate towards the developers, they are not being given a fair chance to prove their ability because so many are condemning them before their product even hits the street.
I believe we will be some what disappointed with this game when it finally does hit and I have not set my hope too high for that reason, but I also believe we have to at the very least allow it to mature and release before we pre-judge them and it. is that a lot to ask for, I think not so we need to be patient until then.
Bandit.
Asbo
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As an AoC beta tester and one of the skeptics who tried to warn people of the true state of the game, such as Sieges being "Tested internally and working perfect" yet not allowing the actual testers to even try them. Even having tester posts being deleted from the beta forums for pointing out issues was a warning sign, yet the faithful still held on.
Then came the limited NDA protected open beta. Again we warned people and were shot down for being trolls.
Yeah and I was one of the faithful - trust me, I REFUSED to believe it could be that bad. And sadly, I was proven wrong because it was.
I think the issue is that the two sides could never see eye-to-eye. We got caught up in semantics, arguing what devs meant and said and on issues that truly did not matter. And as always the truth was somewhere in the middle. it was not as bad as some made it out to be but it was no where as good as the faithful expected.
Sound familiar? I get tired of the "scam" posts here for example. There is no way Darkfall is a scam to con people out of money. Can it be a game that doesn't deliver on its promises? Sure and that is what many expect. But I think sooo many people are caught up in the "its a scam versus its perfect in every way" argument are avaoiding the truth of the game which I firmly believe is that it will not live up to anyone's expectations. Hopefully, I and others will be wrong.
I totally agree with you on this. I dont see DFO as a 'scam' in the sense that Tasos is gonna take the money from Preorders, post a video of himself holding a bag of cash and flipping the bird to all the fans screaming "Suckers!"
What I see is a rehash of the last few weeks of AoC beta with all these "Its awesome!" leaks and any negative leak is picked apart and called out as BS by people who claim to be in beta. There are a few die hards out there who want everyone to think the game is a gift from the gods when they have no concrete proof. Thats where I see it as a scam; a scam by die hard fans to try to put the same blinders they are wearing on others. It happens in every game, the faithful are unwilling to step back and look at issues and odd happenings without blind faith.
A lil off topic now: I think you and I got into a few long posts on the AoC forums during beta. If I remember you werent all that persistantly faithful. You did step outside the box once in a while and we had a few good debates
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Hey Fyerwall nice to see you live just up the road from me pal I'm on the outskirts of Manchester, send me a tell so we can have a chat mate.
Asbo
Darkfall has its bugs. However, so far the game play has lived up to my expectations.
This has always been a niche game and not for most. So, I do see a lot of folks not wanting to play it for a variety of reasons.
Myself I am enjoying the game, I will be pre-ordering and hopefully playing it for a long long time as a casual player.
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As an AoC beta tester and one of the skeptics who tried to warn people of the true state of the game, such as Sieges being "Tested internally and working perfect" yet not allowing the actual testers to even try them. Even having tester posts being deleted from the beta forums for pointing out issues was a warning sign, yet the faithful still held on.
Then came the limited NDA protected open beta. Again we warned people and were shot down for being trolls.
Yeah and I was one of the faithful - trust me, I REFUSED to believe it could be that bad. And sadly, I was proven wrong because it was.
I think the issue is that the two sides could never see eye-to-eye. We got caught up in semantics, arguing what devs meant and said and on issues that truly did not matter. And as always the truth was somewhere in the middle. it was not as bad as some made it out to be but it was no where as good as the faithful expected.
Sound familiar? I get tired of the "scam" posts here for example. There is no way Darkfall is a scam to con people out of money. Can it be a game that doesn't deliver on its promises? Sure and that is what many expect. But I think sooo many people are caught up in the "its a scam versus its perfect in every way" argument are avaoiding the truth of the game which I firmly believe is that it will not live up to anyone's expectations. Hopefully, I and others will be wrong.
I totally agree with you on this. I dont see DFO as a 'scam' in the sense that Tasos is gonna take the money from Preorders, post a video of himself holding a bag of cash and flipping the bird to all the fans screaming "Suckers!"
What I see is a rehash of the last few weeks of AoC beta with all these "Its awesome!" leaks and any negative leak is picked apart and called out as BS by people who claim to be in beta. There are a few die hards out there who want everyone to think the game is a gift from the gods when they have no concrete proof. Thats where I see it as a scam; a scam by die hard fans to try to put the same blinders they are wearing on others. It happens in every game, the faithful are unwilling to step back and look at issues and odd happenings without blind faith.
A lil off topic now: I think you and I got into a few long posts on the AoC forums during beta. If I remember you werent all that persistantly faithful. You did step outside the box once in a while and we had a few good debates
Summed up my feelings well. Those rose colored glasses prevent good ole fashioned debate and argument about the game. The problem with Darkfall, AOC, WAR and many many games is that the diehard fans make the game sounds like the greatest thing in the world (the only game worth playing) and then the game simply cannot live up to expectations. This is what I am afraid of here.
Off-topic: We did. I thought I recognized your name. I did sometimes get a little fanboi'ish from time to time but it was because of what I mentioned earlier in this post. I never was like "Funcom can do no wrong and AOC is the bestest in the world". I more got frustrated with leaks and NDA violations because it seemed many of those posters had a vendetta against the game. Of course, since then, I have thought more and more about NDA violations and people warning the general public about the game. I changed my view of the NDA due to that whole mess and thats the same logic, experience and mis-trust I bring with me to being interested in Darkfall. I am very skeptical but I do WANT the game to succeed.
Aye, I think all of us (Skeptic/Fanboy) want this game to succeed based on the fact we want the industry to know that a game doesnt need to be made by the Ivy League companies with thier billion dollar budgets to be successful and that gamers want more than the same copy/paste gameplay.
Some people here hate just to hate because its fun for them.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"