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Well WoW is dead, my guild is moving to WAR, should we go Order or Destruction?
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I dont think what you said is fair, a lot of people tried to help you here, even I said the same thing about Order´s classes : "Order has stronger classes in general (IB, WP, BW, RP) even if they sound more ordinary than the Destruction mirrors, (this by no means is a real inbalance issue) zones and quests are balanced."
But it seems you are more preoccupied with WoW players who know nothing about Warhammer than with people who tried to help you.
These classes are indeed more powerful today and Order has the uppder hand population wise in most RP servers, but balance always change and these classes are not powerful enough to win all battles, chose the side based in lore and the way they play/look so you will avoid frustration
It seems from the start you enjoy more order, so in the end I think it was a good decision... good luck in War.
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I applaud you choice sir. We made the move to WAR and to be honest we didn;t eget it fo a second, by far superior game even considering all the WAR featues that Blizzad managed to steal and implement in their game allready.
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Well I got the answers I was looking for, but not here.
I went to the Warhammer Alliance forums and it seems WAR players in general are a decent bunch and they helped me out and gave some good info, the arguments I'll use is that Order has the most powerful tank (ironbreaker), main healer (runepriest) and dps (bright wizard). That's a fairly good argument for a min-maxing guild like mine and Norn is still likely to be the server.
It's too bad the MMORPG.com forums were very little help.
Those WAR players on this forum who tried to give opinions and info, I thank you.
But this forum is too full of WOW fanboi trolls like the guy above and all the others who spammed the thread with hate.
REALITY CHECK WOW FANBOYS:
- The only thing good about WoW IS its population
- WoW PVP is the MOST broken it has ever been
- WoW PVE is the LEAST rewarding (both gear and challenge wise) it has ever been
We're going to WAR and not looking back. I just had another raid tonight where we basically several people wanted to turn up to get titles for sart 3drakes on their ALTS. And we LET THEM. That made us all realise there is nothing to play WoW for any more.
We're not stupid, Ulduar will be SSC/TK difficulty. It's over, the raiding game we loved is done and EQ2 isn't the same and neither is LOTRO.
It's WAR all the way baby. We're going to show those Destruction what a real army of ORDER plays like
The thing is, most people here, including myself, just don't believe your little story of moving over an entire hardcore raiding guild to a completely inferior PvE setting and in most cases PvP as well.
What is it that you're so excited about? A real army of Order showing what they can do? Showing who? The 2 or 3 players degending their main city leaving you doing an extremely repetitive and boring PvE PQ? If you got bored of WoW raids and PvE content you'll absolutely hate the PvE in WAR. It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda guy we've seen in all those videos hyping WAR up a thousand times more fun than it ever was to play.
I myself left WoW for a month and a half to play WAR since I much prefer the straight up PvP setting of a game and had a few of my friends coming with me but still having been burnt badly in the past we decided to have me buy it, split the cost and get a ton of pizzas and beer and just play it on my big screen TV in the living room in front of the couch for a day or two.
A week later none of them had bought the game and none of them even talked about it. It was just that bad. Mythic is in very serious trouble right now. A mere fluff patch incoming with classes that should have been there in the first place and no fix in sight to massive problems like no end game, bugs a plenty, broken reward system and on and on, there's only one way and that's down, fast too.
Even if it DID work, how many times do you think people are going to bear doing the same scenarios, the same endgame of doing ONE thing really, before they quit for either a straight up fps or just go back to whichever MMO they came from?
WAR is boring, end of story or the subscribers would be flooding to it. The reality is, more and more people leave every day.
I dont think what you said is fair, a lot of people tried to help you here, even I said the same thing about Order´s classes : "Order has stronger classes in general (IB, WP, BW, RP) even if they sound more ordinary than the Destruction mirrors, (this by no means is a real inbalance issue) zones and quests are balanced."
But it seems you are more preoccupied with WoW players who know nothing about Warhammer than with people who tried to help you.
These classes are indeed more powerful today and Order has the uppder hand population wise in most RP servers, but balance always change and these classes are not powerful enough to win all battles, chose the side based in lore and the way they play/look so you will avoid frustration
It seems from the start you enjoy more order, so in the end I think it was a good decision... good luck in War.
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I'm sorry m8, you and Hrica and other WAR players tried to help but you guys got drowned out by all the WoW fanbois who came in here to flame me and my guild
It makes the forum pretty much unreadable, sorry if I offended you I was just getting pi$$ed off at all the trolling, seriously it's like they got nothing better to do than try to DISCOURAGE people from playing WAR
Well it won't work on me suckers, I'm not falling for your advertising.
We're going Order for sure now since even the officers want to play Order classes, and it's just a better fit for us as we were playing Alliance in WoW so it will be a nice continuation. Watch the news on Karak Norn, we'll be making some big waves once we all hit level 40!
The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)
The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)
No it won't, specially on hirn. you'll deploy 40 guys to world pvp, and destro will just avoid your warband because it is much faster to gain renown by taking undefended keeps and battle objectives. On the pre-mc days your 15 man squad would zerg terran mill, and the horde (from what i gather you play alliance) would mainly dig it out. On war 75% of the times your opposition will be more worried about Renown points and brawling in the middle of that will just slow the rp/hour ratio. (ok to be fair, at sundays people are a bit more violent but and predisposed to dig it out).
Despite that, i'll welcome you in k-hirn., mainly because it means that in maybe in a month or so we might have actually some t4 scenarios up or something.... cause the last 6 hours I passed in a scenario queue (with no scenario prompt).
The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)
No it won't, specially on hirn. you'll deploy 40 guys to world pvp, and destro will just avoid your warband because it is much faster to gain renown by taking undefended keeps and battle objectives. On the pre-mc days your 15 man squad would zerg terran mill, and the horde (from what i gather you play alliance) would mainly dig it out. On war 75% of the times your opposition will be more worried about Renown points and brawling in the middle of that will just slow the rp/hour ratio.
Despite that, i'll welcome you in k-hirn., mainly because it means that in maybe in a month or so we might have actually some t4 scenarios up or something.... cause the last 6 hours I passed in a scenario queue (with no scenario prompt
Only 6 hours? Almost the first thing we did when we bought it was queue up. We figured let's do that and maybe gain a level or two before it pops. When we did finally log off 10 hours later, one of us realized we hadn't had one pop at all. That was actually one of the first uhhhhh moments. Not very encouraging considering most BG's in WoW, which is extremely PvE centric, the queue time for any BG is roughly a minute or two.
Pick a active server and play the underdog. Sure you may get rolled but if you are an organized group you can make a name for your guild.
WAR is the most exciting MMO ever made.
blizzard totally flipped the switch after tbc to make sure everyone can get a chance to do anything in WoW, most people like the OP are crying about this now that those who have normal jobs and don't play WoW hardcore (5+ hours a night) can get a chance to virtually do a pug into raid groups with competent people and experience the content instead of vying for spots or trying to get into a high end raiding guild that will penalize you if you're not on every night. I too was in a guild like yours in tbc where we eventually cleared sunwell about 2 months after it came out and if you weren't in the "core" raid you weren't going, luckily i got in on some but the rigorous schedule was enough to keep me out most of the time. Props to blizzard for making this switch and goodluck to you and your guild in finding what you want in WAR, Im sure theres just as much to do there.
Im sorry nelle but you are the one sounding as a propagandist here, he is in Warhammer forum showing his interest in Warhammer, there is absolute no point for you to try to convince everyone War is boring and no one should leave WoW, see, it is a matter of opinion and you are trying to expose that as the only real true, I know a lot of people that found WoW boring and War fun and exciting.
I will give you an example, see if you understand.
Some one is leaving Lineage2 and enjoy Raid, he goes to WoW forum and ask about WoW (it doesnt matter what he says about L2 as he is in WoW forum, not L2) and says: " I, a raider want to start to play WoW , wich side should I chose" ... then I go there and say: "Why go to WoW to raid if Everquest 2 raids are much, much more deeper, harder, fun, and well done (and this is a reality, raider in WoW is simple and easy if we compare to EQ2)".
What would you think? Can you see now what you are doing?
You dont know if he will absolute hate PvE in War after WoW, this is only your opinion, not a fact.
And by the way, I can say the same to you "It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda WOW guy "
Would you find productive if I went to WoW´s forum and said, why play WoW if War pvp and classes are better and if Vanguard´s and EQ2´s pve are better (in my opinion)?
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The whole guild on vent doing world PVP, it'll be like the old pre-MC days when it was just 15 or so of us, but with a lot more experience and a bigger team (around 40 people are buying the game tomorrow morning, some are downloading it already tonight)
No it won't, specially on hirn. you'll deploy 40 guys to world pvp, and destro will just avoid your warband because it is much faster to gain renown by taking undefended keeps and battle objectives. On the pre-mc days your 15 man squad would zerg terran mill, and the horde (from what i gather you play alliance) would mainly dig it out. On war 75% of the times your opposition will be more worried about Renown points and brawling in the middle of that will just slow the rp/hour ratio.
Despite that, i'll welcome you in k-hirn., mainly because it means that in maybe in a month or so we might have actually some t4 scenarios up or something.... cause the last 6 hours I passed in a scenario queue (with no scenario prompt
Only 6 hours? Almost the first thing we did when we bought it was queue up. We figured let's do that and maybe gain a level or two before it pops. When we did finally log off 10 hours later, one of us realized we hadn't had one pop at all. That was actually one of the first uhhhhh moments. Not very encouraging considering most BG's in WoW, which is extremely PvE centric, the queue time for any BG is roughly a minute or two.
well i was in game from 18:00 to 00:15 or so... so 6 hours,,, i guess if I had started playing at 14:00 i would have said 10 hours... but the average here is 3 scenarios in a day.... on lucky days maybe 4.... being the average time of inside a scenario 12 minutes... oh yeah and as anyone in EU can see, it is 02:00 , i'm still up and writing on a forum... not playing the game... since there is nothing to do...
yeah wow is pretty crappy....but your going TO WAR?? BIG mistake, games more dead than wow, and garbage to boot, have fun thou!
Im sorry nelle but you are the one sounding as a propagandist here, he is in Warhammer forum showing his interest in Warhammer, there is absolute no point for you to try to convince everyone War is boring and no one should leave WoW, see, it is a matter of opinion and you are trying to expose that as the only real true, I know a lot of people that found WoW boring and War fun and exciting.
I will give you an example, see if you understand.
Some one is leaving Lineage2 and enjoy Raid, he goes to WoW forum and ask about WoW (it doesnt matter what he says about L2 as he is in WoW forum, not L2) and says: " I, a raider want to start to play WoW , wich side should I chose" ... then I go there and say: "Why go to WoW to raid if Everquest 2 raids are much, much more deeper, harder, fun, and well done (and this is a reality, raider in WoW is simple and easy if we compare to EQ2)".
What would you think? Can you see now what you are doing?
You dont know if he will absolute hate PvE in War after WoW, this is only your opinion, not a fact.
And by the way, I can say the same to you "It's obvious you're very biased and to be honest you sound like that propraganda WOW guy "
Would you find productive if I went to WoW´s forum and said, why play WoW if War pvp and classes are better and if Vanguard´s and EQ2´s pve are better (in my opinion)?
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Where did I ever tell him to play WoW or any other game for that matter? I'm in a thread about WoW, if you bothered to read the title the thread is about WoW being dead. Funny, I didn't get that memo.
And as far as his whole WoW guild thing, sorry, don't believe him. This whole thread was made for one purpose only, WAR fanboism and WoW trashing.
Well, you could try going there. The WoW forums went from being 50% WAR fanboi propaganda until about 2 weeks past launch. Then it suddenly and very mysteriously died. Gee, I wonder why. The massive daily posts of WAR is coming! and WAR wil be everywhere! and WAR has awesome HUGE SCALE ARMIES AT WAR! suddenly seemed VERY empty. Most people who did try for a few days didn't find any WAR, not to mention they barely even found a good amount of PvP. Hell, just by reading the Ratings comments on WAR it's obvious it's being hyped into oblivion still.
No, I'm actually more so pissed as Mythic for promising something entirely different than what was delivered. All the massive hyping from their side and that idiot we all saw in the many videos explaining how "awesome" it was when you "pillage, murder and BURN the capitol city to the ground YAY!! YAY!!" which in reality turned out to be a big huge puff and no bang.
I was more than ready to switch from WoW to WAR since I much prefer PvP to PvE. After having really honestly tried to make myself like it, and my friends for that matter as well, it was just too amazingly unfinished, laggy even with nothing going on and with good setups, to not even having a tiny miniscule amount of the promised endgame and what was there was mainly PvE.
Very very disappointed with WAR and the empty promises.
Hope you enjoy WAR!
I really suggest going on one of the high pop servers though.
It makes the game a lot more fun.
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Guys! I'm hopelessly lost in a mountain of mole hills! Them damn moles!
I'm not trying to make anyone play WoW or any other game for that matter. I'm just telling you if it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck and swims like a duck, then most likely it IS a duck. I don't try and hide behind a very limited and sparse amount of gameplay videos showing these "huge massive armies and battles in action" prior to launch.
Or was the point the fact that I as well as many others thought the game was good but we should have known better beforehand that it was a pile of manure in all aspects like you did? Then why didn't people like you come clean and explain it the way it was? And why are people like you STILL trying to make it seem awesome? It's not awesome in even the least of ways when there's already better out there and by that I'm certainly not talking about WoW only.
With servers being merged and closed in WAR the statistics speak for themselves. People are leaving, not arriving. Don't try and hype it up still to something it's certainly not. You'll just end up pissing off even more people who sadly would go out and purchase this crap, only to find it wasn't your hyped up version that was true.
About the people having a blast, what part of your last city siege where you pillaged, murdered, killed and burnt the city to the ground would you like to explain in detail for the rest of us? Will it be the part where you did the PQ with no enemy players? Or the part where you redid it again with no enemy players? Or is it the exciting part where you did the PQ, again, with no enemy players. No no, wait, it's the part where you do that thing Mythic calls a PQ, with nothing but PvE content and calls it large scale war and siege right?
I'm certainly not talking about fantasies here. It's pretty much fact that the endgame is completely different than what was promised. There's no war, there's no large scale armies massing in. There is however a cute little redoable PvE quest. There's a different between being hyped up and downright being lied to. Most people who left felt there was nothing there at all which Mythic promised.
As far as the other games you listed, I played most of them as well. While I didn't like most of them it's obvious most of them also weren't as huge in the phail department from the getgo as WAR is.
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Pretty simple option. Play the OP classes of Des, or play the side that beats them because Order has the better players.
This is how it is on Eltharion <EU> anyway..
Since so many have their opinions ... I will only say this as a Beta and player of WAR... I quit it & returned to WoW after 4 months... WAR is not the game to enjoy.. maybe, just maybe in a yr, I may re-look into this MMO........ WoW, after several other MMOS. (DAoC was far the most enjoyable ...wish DAoC2 more then WAR) is much more (PvP server) Fun...
Darkfall was a hopeful, n=but it isn't..
have a great day
Bick
if you want to play a game with really good PVP
get them to play eve, or L2
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What OP Destruction classes?
IB better than BG
RP best healer in this game
WP stronger than DoK
BW better than Sorc
Eng is performing better than Magus
Kotbs is performing better than Chosen
WH is on par with WE
While the marging of superiority is small, they are stronger than Dest classes, so I really think you have a false impression of Dest classes, just check Warhammer alliance, this is not just my opinion, I dont see this as a real imbalance, but Dest classes are by no mean OP.
To tell the truth, there is no real OP classe in Warhammer only stronger mirrors (usually by the Order side) that doesnt really change the final result.
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So neller, tell me wich Destruction classes are OP and why.
I think now you showed your true collors and your real reason around here, right?
So neller, tell me wich Destruction classes are OP.
I really wouldn't know, in the last 20 or so days no scenarios were open and no enemies were around. I can tell you my squig herder is good at killing monsters though. If I wanted PvP I guess I should have listened better to the parts where the devs and community managers constantly bombarded me with obvious information that that was to be the mainstay of the game experience.
It's certainly not fun to wait 10+ hours daily and not have ONE single scenario(BG) open up.
You dont know, so you prefered to use personal attacks, right?
In populated servers it was and it is easy to get into scenarios from t1 to t4, no more than minutes of queue, Mythic really messed up opening too many servers and I know a lot of people who choose low pop servers have and had issues with RvR and Scenarios, but the fact you proved you dont know much about the game and the way you used personal attacks show your real intention here.
You dont know, so you prefered to use personal attacks, right?
In populated servers it was and it is easy to get into scenarios from t1 to t4, no more than minutes of queue, Mythic really messed up opening too many servers and I know a lot of people who choose low pop servers have and had issues with RvR and Scenarios, but the fact you proved you dont know much about the game and the way you used personal attacks show your real intention here.
I played game which turned out to suck hard, promising tons of things and not delivering on any of them. Yes, I'm truly sorry I don't feel the need to keep playing it hardcore, day and night such as devoted fanbois such as yourself.
My realm WAS med/med high/high at launch, now it's at a stage I like to call dung/manure. You probably have a great explanation as to why that is. Could it perhaps be that *gasp* many people left in hordes because the game was shite, buggy and overly hyped to a degree nothing could save face for it?
Even Mark Jacobs when he was all high and mighty a while back boldly and rightfully so claimed, Warhammer is failing if you don't see new servers opening up 6 weeks after launch and that any MMO which merges servers is a failing one.
WAR started closing servers and merging others shortly after launch.