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dirkjandirkjan Member Posts: 11
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At the moment I'm playing World of Warcraft, but lately I feel like I need a change. I'm not exactly sure what game to try, so here's a list of features I'd like to see:

- game must be fun for casual players, and hardcore players. Would be good if the hardcore players clearly have different looking/harder to obtain geaer than casual players (WoW is basically handing out free epic gear at the moment, I don't like that).

- game must be in a fantasy/medieval setting. Pirates are fine too.

- game must be relatively easy to learn, though it's no problem if I still find out new stuff 6 months/1 year after starting the game.

- a crafting/profession system would be nice (like WoW, but the crafting may be more advanced, not required though)

- I prefer PvE over PvP, so a lot of PvE content would be appreciated

- Content must be fun for solo play, as well as group play

- PvP enabled is not a problem, it does give a nice extra challenge to also be aware for other players, as long as it doesn't turn out into the stuff that's I see in WoW (where people only kill eachother when they're obviously stronger) If there's no PvP it's not a problem

- The game must have a nice endgame, both soloplay as group/raiding (also for casual players)

- When a patch/expansion is released the items I've earned through a lot of work mustnt be worthless all of a sudden. I hate to throw away items that mean a lot to me when I've finally managed to obtain 'm.

- I wanna meet players outside cities too, so an open world is highly appreciated. Some instances where you only see your party are fine (like in WoW).

- A community that roleplays would be very nice, and rp servers, as well as rp support from the makers would also be nice. If the game has no rp, but scores very high otherwise it's fine by me as well.

- I don't mind to pay to play, as long as there are other options than to pay by credit card (since I don't have one), a prepaid card is nice, but I hate to go to specialised gameshops to get them every month/2 months, so other payment options would be nice if it's pay to play.

 

I've looked at this topic:

http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html

Seeing this I think FFXI might be a good option, I've also been looking up some info for that game in the past, and I did like the offline FF games. But I've heard that FFXI is pretty hardcore. I also wonder if the game is still fun if I start as a new player now, seeing the game is already out for several years, thus most players probably are playing the endgame now, which might make my time until the max level very lonely.

Other games that crossed my mind:

- Everquest 2, but I see way too many expansions comming out way too often. I've also heard this game is pretty hardcore, and that every patch might make your gear for which you've worked very hard worthless all of a sudden.

- Guild Wars, tried it (even got Guild Wars without expansions). It's nice, just not quite what I'm looking for. I don't like the fact that everything is instances.

 

So...what do you suggest for me?

 

edit/added: I've watched .hack//sign once, and read some of the .hack manga's. I'd like a game that has more than just fighting monsters/players, and more than just the event that keeps you busy for less than an hour.  Being able to do or collect something when not fighting would be very, very welcome. Especially if that something could keep me entertained for roughly an hour each day (if I'm up for it ofcourse!). And being able to do that non-combat activity from the start, or after a few hours from the start would also be nice (so not only available to endgame players).

Comments

  • kingfetkingfet Member Posts: 92

     I would stay far away from FFXI if you want anything remotley casual. The game forces you to group after I believe level 9, and not just grou but get a full group. Have fun looking for an hour to fill up a group only to have it fall apart in ten minutes. Also have fun leveling for six months hardcore or a year plus casual before you can see some endgame.

     

    I would suggest either Runes of Magic as a f2pp option, or War as a p2p. Coming from wow you should feel right at home.

  • ZairuZairu Member Posts: 469

    i have also been looking for a similar game.

    one of your dislikes im afraid you will probably always run into though is that expansions make old gear useless. i at least havent heard of a game that would not do this but i agree with u. i hate the fact that these style games are so centered around gear. and then make what you work so hard just to turn it into spacewasters later. 

    i tried vangaurd and i think you would enjoy it but it sway too buggy/laggy/unpopulated with no look of getting better. but i only stayed a month. the stationlauncher kept crashing when my gf tried dl'ing game so i cancelled my account.  with a good computer and constant allies i think its a very promising game.. it just probably holds no future

    eq2 seemed cool.i cancelled that when wotlk dropped. but for alot of the same reason u mentioned i have avoided trying again. it offered enough classes/races to soothe my imagination though. because really i just play these for semi-casual roleplaying. meaning i dont actually RP in game. its more a persona i feel when delving into these 3d fantasy worlds.

    im playing WAR now and i like it but im only a lvl 20 rogue so its too early to say how the end is. and i read there isnt much of one. but even though some things seem 'bland' like alot of ppl say there is also a rich quality to the style and gameplay. im finding myself having more fun everytime i play.

    these are the only 3 mmo's ive tried in a attempt to wing myself off wow. also ill add that i dont try many free to play online games. they seemed .......not worth my time. im also waiting on Aion to come out. i wish i could say i was waiting on darkfall but there is WAAAAY too much that would keep me away. mainly the 1st person style. i wanna see my toon and i wanna see myself cut. and not a arm. a full body dropping down on ppl. so yea. 1st person will always turn me away.

    my main regret with wow is that i left my rogue a 73 still in his full epic 70 gear and and decided to make a DK tank. and yes. epics are free candy now. if not i would not of got my dk from lvl 55 to almost full epic in just a month. i like the idea of epic being.....epic? now its just purple gear

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090
    Originally posted by kingfet


     I would stay far away from FFXI if you want anything remotley casual. The game forces you to group after I believe level 9, and not just grou but get a full group. Have fun looking for an hour to fill up a group only to have it fall apart in ten minutes. Also have fun leveling for six months hardcore or a year plus casual before you can see some endgame.

    Oh come on now, if you're going to tell someone to stay away from a MMO, don't lie about it and get your facts straight!

    Yes FFXI is not as casual as most MMOs, but its getting better.  Yes group forcing is still there but not at level 9; as with the latest patches all jobs can solo easily into their 20s and beyond.  XP gain has been greatly increased and many jobs can now solo all the way to 75.  You do not need a full 6 man group to lvl, 2-3 can earn xp just as fast and as efficient in the right areas chaining less powerful mobs, but a 6-man will be required for certain storyline events and missions.

    With the new level syncing, now anyone is a potential party member instead of waiting for hrs for players of you level range and jobs to log in/be available.  It does not take in any way 6months of hardcore lvl grinding to get lvl 75.  At the most I'd say 1-2 months depending on the player and how much time they put into leveling.  I've known players that leveled new jobs all the way to 75 in a few days.

    Though if you choose to play casually and take your time doing lots of events, crafting, exploring, leveling multiple jobs, etc.....yeah it could take you a very long time if you choose too...

  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090
    Originally posted by dirkjan


    At the moment I'm playing World of Warcraft, but lately I feel like I need a change. I'm not exactly sure what game to try, so here's a list of features I'd like to see: 
    I recommend FFXI
    - game must be fun for casual players, and hardcore players. Would be good if the hardcore players clearly have different looking/harder to obtain geaer than casual players (WoW is basically handing out free epic gear at the moment, I don't like that). 
    FFXI does this exactly...most of the gear and weapons are very bland and dull colors for the lower levels, but once you get up in lvls starting around lvl 30 and into the 40s gear starts fleshing out to particular classes which you can start telling apart and then at 50-52 and beyond you get job specific gear thats very colorful and you know what job that player is right away!  ....and its not easy to get either! 
    - game must be in a fantasy/medieval setting. Pirates are fine too.
    FFXI is all about the fantasy including castles and deep ruins, as well as Pirates...heck the Corsair job is pretty much a pirate class, you can fight pirates on the boat from selbina/mhuara on occasion...{rare event} and in the Treasures of Aht Urhgan exp there are pirate areas like a ship graveyard.
    - game must be relatively easy to learn, though it's no problem if I still find out new stuff 6 months/1 year after starting the game.
    Well I wouldn't say that FFXI is easy to learn, its pretty tough and you will always be learning and discovering new things 2+ years from now.
    - a crafting/profession system would be nice (like WoW, but the crafting may be more advanced, not required though)
    Crafting is incredibly deep and very difficult to level, but everything you make is imprtant to someone, as well as everything that drops from mobs has a purpose in crafting, a quest, an NPC wants it, etc.  Crafting is so deep that it even ties in with the type of crystal your using, the days/weeks of the game world, and the elements, as well as which of the 8 directions you face your character while crafting all have a part in it.
    - I prefer PvE over PvP, so a lot of PvE content would be appreciated
    FFXI is 98% PvE...there is a PvP option called Ballista, but its entirely optional.
    - Content must be fun for solo play, as well as group play
    Well like I was defending in my previous post, this is not a 100% solo game on all jobs....it can be but mostly you will be grouped to proceed, either duo, 3-man and all the way too 6-man and towards end game even in 64-man raids.
    - PvP enabled is not a problem, it does give a nice extra challenge to also be aware for other players, as long as it doesn't turn out into the stuff that's I see in WoW (where people only kill eachother when they're obviously stronger) If there's no PvP it's not a problem
    PvP has to be unlocked through a series of quests, entirely optional, and once there you don't just run around fighting anyone....certain zones have Ballista NPCs, and only so many players can sign up for the event.  Once started only those who signed up will be able to atk each other, and you'll still be playing in the PvE area seeing other players running around killing mobs and such!
    - The game must have a nice endgame, both soloplay as group/raiding (also for casual players)
    Huge end-game, literally if you started today would take you in upwards of 2-3 years to complete it all.  There has been alot of soloplay events added to the early and later parts of the game....always fun in a group but can be entirely solo'd!
    - When a patch/expansion is released the items I've earned through a lot of work mustnt be worthless all of a sudden. I hate to throw away items that mean a lot to me when I've finally managed to obtain 'm. 
    Nothing has even been outdated in the 7 years and 4 expansion that have been released....the items/gear from day one are still all fully used and very helpful.  Sure there is better gear that everyone wants but its not neccessary unless you're really trying to beef out your character/jobs....but overall if you don't have the best stuff you will not be excluded from anything, and can still compete alongside someone with the best!
    - I wanna meet players outside cities too, so an open world is highly appreciated. Some instances where you only see your party are fine (like in WoW).
    FFXI is a huge zone based world due to the nature of how aggro works.  You will see players all over the world, and quite frequently be seeing max lvl players in lower level areas all the time.  Like I said even the low level content is still useful to them.  There is also alot of high level areas mixed in with lower areas that you'll come back too/ travel through to find even harder areas.  Instances are very few...mainly reserved for major storyline/mission bosses and select events.  Every dungeon or group leveling area are open to as many groups want to squeeze into them, and I've seen them so packed before nothing is alive in there!
    - A community that roleplays would be very nice, and rp servers, as well as rp support from the makers would also be nice. If the game has no rp, but scores very high otherwise it's fine by me as well.
    There are players that roleplay, but FFXI isn't really designed for it...there are no RP, PvP, PvE servers...they're all just PvE and the others are optional as described above!
    - I don't mind to pay to play, as long as there are other options than to pay by credit card (since I don't have one), a prepaid card is nice, but I hate to go to specialised gameshops to get them every month/2 months, so other payment options would be nice if it's pay to play.
    Hrm, as far as I know, in the US there is only a Credit Card option....or if you have a bank account, get a debit card and you can use that as well!  Thats what I do, and just pay using my checking account!
     
    I've looked at this topic:
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
    Seeing this I think FFXI might be a good option, I've also been looking up some info for that game in the past, and I did like the offline FF games. But I've heard that FFXI is pretty hardcore. I also wonder if the game is still fun if I start as a new player now, seeing the game is already out for several years, thus most players probably are playing the endgame now, which might make my time until the max level very lonely. 
    Yes FFXI is still fun, and yes there are tons of ppl at the end-game, but the way its designed you'll always be seeing high level players in the lower zones and playing with new players mostly because of the new Level Sync, but in general they have before.  If you didn't already know, you can play all 20 jobs on the same character without rerolling, and at anytime once you unlock them other 14...
    Other games that crossed my mind:
    - Everquest 2, but I see way too many expansions comming out way too often. I've also heard this game is pretty hardcore, and that every patch might make your gear for which you've worked very hard worthless all of a sudden.
    I actually returned to EQII in Dec last year for the new expansion, got my char into the 60's and gave up...it has become entirely solo/quest based like WoW with ! ? over their heads....and even all the early dungeons and raid style areas have been dumbed down...access quests removed and nobody does them anymore.  The guild I was playing with when I told them I was quitting, said well you should've got to lvl 80 and raided with us...then it'd be more fun....UH, if I have to get to lvl 80 for the game to fun thats horrible!
    - Guild Wars, tried it (even got Guild Wars without expansions). It's nice, just not quite what I'm looking for. I don't like the fact that everything is instances.
     
    So...what do you suggest for me?
     
    edit/added: I've watched .hack//sign once, and read some of the .hack manga's. I'd like a game that has more than just fighting monsters/players, and more than just the event that keeps you busy for less than an hour.  Being able to do or collect something when not fighting would be very, very welcome. Especially if that something could keep me entertained for roughly an hour each day (if I'm up for it ofcourse!). And being able to do that non-combat activity from the start, or after a few hours from the start would also be nice (so not only available to endgame players).
    Fishing right away which you can make a ton of Gil from, crafting though you'll have to fight eventually for the mats/crystals unless you're rich and I highly advise don't buy Gil....the devs will find out and you'll be banned....they watch ppl very closely now!  Farming mats to sell to other players on the AH is casual and easy to do, but time consuming...
    Give FFXI a try...its very tough and hard to learn right away..."it will be overwhelming" at first...there is no hand holding, or ! ? or telling you where to go...you don't get XP from quests/they're optional...mobs chase you until you die or zone...there is no rubberbanding with them like all other MMOs where they give up after 100yards.
    Anyway I've scared ya enough...now you gotta play it and decide if you like the hardcore nature of it.

     

  • dirkjandirkjan Member Posts: 11
    Originally posted by kingfet


    I would suggest either Runes of Magic as a f2pp option, or War as a p2p. Coming from wow you should feel right at home.

     

    I've heard and read that War mainly evolves around PvP, so not exactly what I'm after.

     

    A friend of mine has a trial disc of FFXI which he already offered me once because he won't use it. I could give it a try.

  • sparrsparr Member Posts: 48

    Try Runes of Magic..F2P game,.does not play like any other out there.this game feels like all the good MMOs out there.controls wasd or arrows..lots of quests/instances..range from easy to very hard without a group or raid..very nice gear to get from quests or dropped of bosses or named, there are also world bosses and randon dropps off normal npcs..dule classes..youll need your tank and healer for alot of the instances..and a pretty big world with really nice graphics..give it a look at its free to download.

  • kingfetkingfet Member Posts: 92
    Originally posted by Khrymson

    Originally posted by kingfet


     I would stay far away from FFXI if you want anything remotley casual. The game forces you to group after I believe level 9, and not just grou but get a full group. Have fun looking for an hour to fill up a group only to have it fall apart in ten minutes. Also have fun leveling for six months hardcore or a year plus casual before you can see some endgame.

    words

     

     

    How are those casual 18 straight hour raids again? 

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559

    Uhm...the only 18 hour raids are the players trying to kill things that weren't meant to be killed.

     

    Most raids take a couple hours tops.

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • VrazuleVrazule Member Posts: 1,095

    Since when is any kind of raid considered casual other than in the eyes of hardcores?  Forced grouping is very non-casual, raids have never been and never will be casual content.

    The only real casual game on the market is City of Heroes / Villains.  You can do 95% of the content solo and at your own pace even when grouped.  Thanks to the invention system, casuals can now enhance their powers with raid level enhancements.  The first game to actually reward all play styles equally.

    Both WoW and LOTRO require too much grouping and as is typical in today's MMO's they still give the best rewards to the hardcore play style, you will never get epics equal to a raider, ever.

    By the way, FFXI is the least casual friendly game you could possibly ever try, right up there with EVE and EverQuest I.

    With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559

    Well to be fair, even in CoX you wont get the best unless you raid.  Even though the raids are mickey mouse compared to the other MMOs they are still there and you'll never be able to solo them.

     

    That said, I don't get the mentality that is prevelant in this generation.  Why is grouping a bad thing?

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • SovrathSovrath Member LegendaryPosts: 32,963
    Originally posted by TsukieU


     
    That said, I don't get the mentality that is prevelant in this generation.  Why is grouping a bad thing?



     

    Grouping isn't a bad thing.

    Grouping with people who are not nice, not your type of people, or who take the game way to seriously (or not seriously enough) is bad.

    Spending an innordinate amount of time to find a group only to experience the above is also bad.

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  • hyzzazahyzzaza Member Posts: 19

    call of duty modern warfare is a good mmorpg!its like got no raid instances and its just like pvp and u get lots of classes n stuff so u can be any class and speciallise. its really gud if u dont like spending hours playing the games cuz u dont have 2 and u just go online and shoot dem peoples! 

  • VrazuleVrazule Member Posts: 1,095

    Groupin when you want to is one thing, being forced to group for content that gives out the best rewards is another.  We are talking about casual gameplay, meaning you can go at your own pace, leave a group when real life comes up without consequences, such as being black listed and so forth.  Not being dependent on other players in order to have fun in a game.  It's all about choices and about being able to have fun in a game without someone else telling you when, where, what and how to do it.

    Doing content in small chunks and still feeling like you not only advanced at a decent pace, but are rewarded for the effort.

    Not feeling like a second class citizen because all of the interesting content is holed up in the longer time required ventures such as raiding or group only dungeons and realizing that the developers will never reward your play style compared to hardcores.

    With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal

  • kingtommyboykingtommyboy Member Posts: 543

    P2P= LOTRO, just the perfect casual game with pve, pvp, quests, raids, endgame, groups, ect....

    F2P= Runes Of Magic, just a fun f2p game that will keep you bussy for a little while ^^

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  • kingfetkingfet Member Posts: 92
    Originally posted by TsukieU


    Uhm...the only 18 hour raids are the players trying to kill things that weren't meant to be killed.
     
    Most raids take a couple hours tops.

     

     

    http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=16768

     

    Hey what do you know posted twelve minutes ago on the frontpage of massively.com

     

    You can stfu now, and go play your stupid asian grinder. OP as I said stay far away from FFXI, its nothing more than a asian grinder that you have to pay for.

     

  • just1opinionjust1opinion Member UncommonPosts: 4,641
    Originally posted by kingfet


     I would stay far away from FFXI if you want anything remotley casual. The game forces you to group after I believe level 9, and not just grou but get a full group. Have fun looking for an hour to fill up a group only to have it fall apart in ten minutes. Also have fun leveling for six months hardcore or a year plus casual before you can see some endgame.
     
    I would suggest either Runes of Magic as a f2pp option, or War as a p2p. Coming from wow you should feel right at home.

     

    I have to address these suggestions.  First of all, Warhammer could not be any FURTHER from being like WoW in well....pretty much in ANY way, shape or form.  It's completely PvP-centric, and the PvE is lackluster.  Someone coming from WoW, unless all they did all day was run battlegrounds, is NOT going to be "comfortable" in Warhammer.

    I do agree with your f2p option, as Runes of Magic is much MORE like WoW, while offering some things that WoW does not (presently), such as a dual class system. 

    Actually after reading the OP's post, I honestly think that EQ2, LotRO, or Vanguard is probably more suited to what he's looking for.  EVE is a great game, but not fantasy-based, and not everyone wants to be confined to a ship all the time, never seeing their avatar, etc.

    The more I think about it....the more LotRO seems it would be MY best suggestion to the OP, but WARHAMMER....?  Uhm....no.  Warhammer doesn't even meet the most basic desires listed by the OP.  But on re-reading the original post....LotRO actually meets ALL of the "wishes" that the OP has.  

    Btw....EQ2, while a great game, is exhorbitantly expensive to play.  Most really good computers can play it with high settings and it looks beautiful, however....they DO INDEED release FAR too many expansions and even adventure packs along with those.  All have both higher and lower level content, but it all adds up to a HUGE chunk of change annually, which is ONE reason why I have left my 64 wizzie/provsioner and her 48 troubador "sister" parked in their upscale Qeynosian home now for a few MONTHS. :)

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  • KhrymsonKhrymson Member UncommonPosts: 3,090
    Originally posted by kingfet

    Originally posted by TsukieU


    Uhm...the only 18 hour raids are the players trying to kill things that weren't meant to be killed.
     
    Most raids take a couple hours tops.

     

     

    http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=16768

     

    Hey what do you know posted twelve minutes ago on the frontpage of massively.com

     

    You can stfu now, and go play your stupid asian grinder. OP as I said stay far away from FFXI, its nothing more than a asian grinder that you have to pay for.

     

     

    Yes, yes "you can" STFU now Kingfet, that boss is exactly what TsukieU mentioned.   You should really do your research before you keep trying to be all knowledgeable in these things

    Pandemonium Warden is a special raid encounter originally not meant to be killed, but was dumbed down so players could finally beat him.  Mention of this "Original Attempt" was even on X-Play awhile ago. 

    Thus far only the one Linkshell of players of Apathy have defeated him and that happened almost 3 weeks ago; Friday, 16 January 2009!

     

    Its stuff like this that the FFXI developers put in games that are of the Hardcore quality I and many players of old look for these days.  There is no tank n spank BS ah well we died and get up again shrugging off an armor repair.  Bosses like these take weeks if not months of planning to attempt the run down into the zone where this encounter takes place and yes its for the best of the best of us players out there! 

    Definitly not for the whiney little bitches that think its just another asian grinder...heh

     

  • thorwoodthorwood Member Posts: 485

    You might want to try Lord of the RIngs Online. There is a 10 day free trial at the moment.

    You  can solo or group and advance at your own pace.

    It is easy to learn and get started .  There is  a lot of depth in the game, and you will continue to discover and learn more as you progress.

    It is set in Tolkien's Lord of RIngs fantasy world.  There is an emphasis on questing.

    I like the crafting.

    It has heaps of PvE and you  have the option of PvP if you venture into the Ettenmores. Toons on the evil side are level 60, so you will need many levels before you PvP your free peoples toon.  However, once you have a small number of levels(10? levels) on your toon, you can create a  maximum level (level 60) toon on the evil side and jump straight into PvP.

    The most recent expansion, Mines of Moria,  did not obsolete the old gear.  However, the  expansion did raise the level cap from 50 to 60, so as you level you will want to find better gear to match your level.

    It is mostly open world that has instances for some dungeons and quests.

    At the moment, end game gear is mostly coming from single group hard mode instances in about half a dozen different dungeons.  There is also a small Watcher raid  which I have yet to experience.

    It is pay to play with the option of a one off lifetime subscription. I do not not know what payment options exist.  However, credit card is not the only payment method.

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559

    Double post.

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559
    Originally posted by kingfet

    Originally posted by TsukieU


    Uhm...the only 18 hour raids are the players trying to kill things that weren't meant to be killed.
     
    Most raids take a couple hours tops.

     

     

    http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/story.html?story=16768

     

    Hey what do you know posted twelve minutes ago on the frontpage of massively.com

     

    You can stfu now, and go play your stupid asian grinder. OP as I said stay far away from FFXI, its nothing more than a asian grinder that you have to pay for.

     

    Nevertheless, the article surged across the Internet and resulted in an impromptu patch that changed the Pandemonium Warden, causing it to despawn if not defeated within two hours.

    ...

    More recently, the infamous Dvergr was finally slain by the linkshell Apathy on Remora , reportedly with only five minutes left on the clock.

     

    ...yeah...what were you saying?

     

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • dirkjandirkjan Member Posts: 11

    Warhammer might seem like a good option, but it's far more PvP oriented as I want. I haven't tried it, but I've read about it.

     

    For now I've downloaded The Chronicles of Spellborn (mainly because I saw it at the shops, and want to try before I buy when possible), but already at the character selectionscreen I didn't really like it a lot. But it was late, and I've read a lot of negative things about the game. Probably better try it another time.

     

    FFXI is what I'm probably gonna try (can get a 30 day trial from a friend). And I can still continue searching for another game.

     

    I've tried EQ2 once, it looks really nice, but for some reason there was not a single soul out there apart from me and my girlfriend. And as I said before: I don't mind an expansion every now and then, but this game has like a billion expansions already.

     

     

    Some other things I'd like to add to the discussion:

     

    - I don't mind to throw away gear for a big expansion if the game get's new levels and such, but I do like it when there is actually a difference in how easy it is to obtain gear, and if you could see that by looking at the quality. The current "free epic"-system WoW has isn't my thing. I like to see epics as something that you really have to work for, by doing something that's challenging rather than just a boring long grind that you can do with your eyes closed.

     

    - I know raiding is leaning towards hardcore or at least non-casual. And if you're talking about serious raiding with fast and good progression than it might be considered hardcore indeed. The kind of raiding I'm looking for (the one I name casual) is a fun raid once a week. For a bit of progress, but mainly for fun and for the challenge. And I don't mind if that means you once get to do the 1-3 easiest raids only.  In WoW I've done some Upper Blackrock Spire (pre-tbc) and mainly Karazhan, Gruul's Lair, Zul'Aman, and the first few bosses of Serpent Shrine Cavern in tbc. That doesn't require 4-5 nights of raiding a week, 1 or 2 a week will be fine. As a result you might venture into a later raid (like ZA, or SSC) way later than the hardcore people.

    For raids I prefer smaller groups (10, maybe 15 man raid) rather than raiding with big groups (40-60 people. These numbers are not refering to WoW).

  • TsukieUTsukieU Member Posts: 559

    I think you'll be fine with FF11...90% of the instanced raids in that game are doable with one group.  That doesn't make them easy however.  They are still very difficult.  Just, you can pick up you and 5 other people and do a BCNM whenever you feel like it.  There's also the Sky, and Sea, and a whole bunch of storyline quests that are single group only.  And the best thing about them, all of them are cutscene quests.  You aren't staring at a journal page you don't really care about.

    Mne eto nado kak zuby v zadnitse.

  • pinoyjesterpinoyjester Member Posts: 81
    Originally posted by dirkjan


    At the moment I'm playing World of Warcraft, but lately I feel like I need a change. I'm not exactly sure what game to try, so here's a list of features I'd like to see:
    - game must be fun for casual players, and hardcore players. Would be good if the hardcore players clearly have different looking/harder to obtain geaer than casual players (WoW is basically handing out free epic gear at the moment, I don't like that).
    - game must be in a fantasy/medieval setting. Pirates are fine too.
    - game must be relatively easy to learn, though it's no problem if I still find out new stuff 6 months/1 year after starting the game.
    - a crafting/profession system would be nice (like WoW, but the crafting may be more advanced, not required though)
    - I prefer PvE over PvP, so a lot of PvE content would be appreciated
    - Content must be fun for solo play, as well as group play
    - PvP enabled is not a problem, it does give a nice extra challenge to also be aware for other players, as long as it doesn't turn out into the stuff that's I see in WoW (where people only kill eachother when they're obviously stronger) If there's no PvP it's not a problem
    - The game must have a nice endgame, both soloplay as group/raiding (also for casual players)
    - When a patch/expansion is released the items I've earned through a lot of work mustnt be worthless all of a sudden. I hate to throw away items that mean a lot to me when I've finally managed to obtain 'm.
    - I wanna meet players outside cities too, so an open world is highly appreciated. Some instances where you only see your party are fine (like in WoW).
    - A community that roleplays would be very nice, and rp servers, as well as rp support from the makers would also be nice. If the game has no rp, but scores very high otherwise it's fine by me as well.
    - I don't mind to pay to play, as long as there are other options than to pay by credit card (since I don't have one), a prepaid card is nice, but I hate to go to specialised gameshops to get them every month/2 months, so other payment options would be nice if it's pay to play.
     
    I've looked at this topic:
    http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/152355/Looking-For-A-New-MMO-Check-Here-First.html
    Seeing this I think FFXI might be a good option, I've also been looking up some info for that game in the past, and I did like the offline FF games. But I've heard that FFXI is pretty hardcore. I also wonder if the game is still fun if I start as a new player now, seeing the game is already out for several years, thus most players probably are playing the endgame now, which might make my time until the max level very lonely.
    Other games that crossed my mind:
    - Everquest 2, but I see way too many expansions comming out way too often. I've also heard this game is pretty hardcore, and that every patch might make your gear for which you've worked very hard worthless all of a sudden.
    - Guild Wars, tried it (even got Guild Wars without expansions). It's nice, just not quite what I'm looking for. I don't like the fact that everything is instances.
     
    So...what do you suggest for me?
     
    edit/added: I've watched .hack//sign once, and read some of the .hack manga's. I'd like a game that has more than just fighting monsters/players, and more than just the event that keeps you busy for less than an hour.  Being able to do or collect something when not fighting would be very, very welcome. Especially if that something could keep me entertained for roughly an hour each day (if I'm up for it ofcourse!). And being able to do that non-combat activity from the start, or after a few hours from the start would also be nice (so not only available to endgame players).



     

    I suggest Atlantica Online...

    It is fun for both casual and hardcore players... there are a lot of quest involved to satisfy anybody who is into the RPG genre.

    The game is in the medieval setting... with characters from every time era (Ceasar, Da Vinci, Morgan La Fey)... you could also recruit pirate mercenaries...

    The game is very easy to learn with a good ingame manual and help option. There are a lot of quest that would teach you the game controls... And there is an auto run feature to go to NPC without looking for them

    Anything could be crafted even if your a swordsman... from potions to weapons to armors...

    I myself am not much of a PVP person... the PVE gameplay in Atlantica online satisfies me a lot. It is a game which is fun to play alone or with a party.

    PVP Challenges could be offered in Atlantica but it is up to you to join the challenge.

    There are still a lot of things to do even if you are already at high levels (like town management and doing guild things :D)

    Atlantica is free to play and i highly recommend it to you.

  • thelawoflogicthelawoflogic Member UncommonPosts: 788

    FFXI is a good game it has a great story with lv sycn u can find a party perrty easy u can solo some jobs i guess but i know u can't solo to lv 75 by yourself unless you have ALOT time on your hands but there a lot missions things to do and they have dual class system  can you can change your job when ever you want to if your looking for a game were you can lv up really f ast and get what you want with out much work it isn't the game for you there a free tail so it doesn't hurt to try

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