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kboy_5
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First post(long time lurker)
I notice with the whole WoW vs EQ2 deal... so many people are biased and bash the game just because of the company...
Look, I have only played everquest.... So i cant say i delt with the "disaster" that was SWG but I have friends that played it....and quit...
but I mean Honestly.... Have any of you stopped to think how much SOE has riding on making sure EQ2 is a success.... the
MILLIONS
of dollars that they are putting into the game, the delays of gettting the game on the market..... . I honestly do not think, as a business they can afford for everquest2 to fail....
I dont understand why people call companies greedy for money etc..... thats why they make games....for money.... LOL
but anyways, just a thought that came to my head....
*Also, I think EQ2 will be a great game.... however I will be going with WoW only because thats where all my RL friends are going...... and yeah... a couple of them are EX SWG people and hate SOE lol
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Im sure it will be a success based purely on fanbase. Honestly, it would never succeed if it were not EQ2, because it just isnt all that innovative. Imagine if everything about EQ2 stayed the same, but it was developed by an under the radar company, and was called something different, like "Fantasy MMORPG #2034", do you think it would be a success? probably not, it would probably have a decent number of followers, but nowhere near the number that EQ2 or WoW has simply because it doesnt have the name going for it. Honestly think about it for a minute and tell me im wrong.
WOW is not innovative either, most MMORPG's on the market aren't innovative at all, but I don't care I don't really need alot of innovation, just give me a good solid fantasy MMO and I'll be happy. EQ2 is made by different folks than those who made SWG so I don't really care what happened with SWG, everything I've seen from EQ2 screams quality.
Sure sure, but then ask yourself this question.
Why would as many people as there are Bash SOE in the first place?
I don't think everybody just up and one day decided i think ill go and complain about SOE and the way they do business.
No SOE got its reputation from years of service. Service that has rightly earned its self its own place in the gaming world.
Maybe they should change that motto they have " Can't please them all" (quote from SOE staff).
I personally couldn't care less as to how much money was paid on a title. What i care about is quality, content and support.
And that will determine where my money goes.
No SOE made its own bed. Tuff they have to sleep in it.
Heres a tissue.
And that goes with any company that has the same track record.
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first of all, the gaming industry is like anyother, you take alittle and make it a little different(like how the blues became rock n roll), and thru this innovation happens....eventually
eq2 sucks....guildwars seemed way way WAY much funner than eq2; but guildwars might not be fun for more than a week or 2, i dunno...i didnt think eq2's combat system was fun- plain and simple; guildwars made me change my halloween plans, eq2 after a couple hours was like, "dude, i'm spending more time running around trying to find contacts than killin shit, wtf"...i dunno about soe's business tactics, but they gotta make a dollar and eq2 might fail in the long run.
oh yea, in eq2, i didnt like having bags in my inventory and having to look in them, wtf was that about...eventually i found a key to open all bags, but is that necessary? eq2 has alot of fedexing quests, i do like the waypoints, but i need waypoints to everything(i get lost), and is there any proposed pvp in eq2?
all great games have to have somewhat fun combat, crafting, and some pvp....correct me if i'm wrong or i missed something, cuz i wanna find the bestest game that has mad depth.
it's more than just that, but that seems to be the formula now a days.
Your fortunate to have friends that make up for your inexperience with SoE and mmorpgs in general, keeping you on right path.
The Bashing of SOE is often warranted, so many people have let down by this company. I dont think people bash SOE just for the fun of it (well mostly). I keep my bashing to games that I have actually played but the SOE name does make me extremely wary of the any product that carries its name.
I may play Everquest 2 when it comes out, but that will be a few months after it goes retail. I will not waste my cash on another game that has more bugs than a 5 day old corpse. And SOE has does a track recored for producing some very terrible games.
I refuse to believe all the hype on a game anymore, and wonder why people are always hyping a game just because its EverCrack. Time will tell if this game is any good, though the fanbois will never let this game die.
Gamers are the biggest bunch of whiners on earth. If it isn't the company or the customer service, it's class balance, bugs, whatever. If one thing gets fixed they start on another ... it's what they DO. Unfortunately too many gamers get themselves too distanced from the reality of life and the world and somehow start seeing perfection in gaming as some sort of entitlement.
Thus you see people with little or no knowledge of a game bashing or defending it because they like or dislike a company. You see several examples in this thread - people who think they are cleverly advancing their agenda but who are really completely transparent. Using the time-honored approach of simply not buying a product that you don't like is not sufficient for them. This is so simple: if you don't like Sony, don't buy Sony products. Nope, not good enough. It bothers them when someone else likes a game that they are against for some reason ... those people must be stupid fanboys, it just isn't possible that someone could legitimately disagree with them ... so they have to attack or belittle people who like something they don't. [Some day maybe they will learn what an ad hominem argument is.] The company has "hurt" them in some way - frequently something most people would consider insignificant - and now they are going to hurt the company back, or so they think. In my years in gaming I have seen more people that one could count have total meltdowns over issues so absurdly insignificant that most reasonably well-adjusted people would just get over it in 5 minutes, if not less.
Shakespeare covered it pretty well ...
"A tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
I completely agree.
Just like the other day, I asked my friend whether he was going to play WoW or EQ2, and he said WoW because he hates SOE. And I said, that's your reason? And I went on about explaining how a game isn't BASED on their developers (although many people think that). We, gamers, are so ignorant and greedy to the point that was almost want a FREE mmorpg with the best game-play and the best customer service. You know that in Everquest I there are like what, a few hundred ptitions going to the GM's every 15 minutes? Give them a break.
-Luthien
And any regular inept retard working at a fast food place can't afford to fail either, but that doesn't mean that they don't get fired all the time.
The whole reason that people don't like SOE, is because they run things like one of those inept retards.
They could throw BILLIONS of dollars at a game, but that wouldn't mean that all that money was applied properly or in a way that actually makes sense.
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I thought about it and I think you are wrong. People are not idiots, well, at least most of them aren't, and if a game isn't fun for them they will not play it, regardless of who makes it or what it's called. The same thing goes for playing game made by big name, popular companies. I think people recognize what they think is a good, fun game and they play what they like.
Asherons Call was a highly successful game, in the shadow of a big-shot (Verant, soon to become SOE). When Asherons Call 2 came out, people who didn't like it simply didn't play, despite it's name, it did not live up to the expectations of it's player base. Same with Star Wars Galaxies. There would be record breaking subscriptions if the game was made better and more fun. Just because it is called Star Wars it doesn't mean I will play it. Just because it is called Everquest is doesn't mean people will play it. After they find out how fun it is, then they will certainly play.
You've been listening to too many WoW vs. Everquest II posts and taking them to heart. Once you realize it is just people getting something off their chest and taking out their anger on SOE or whatever, it will become clear that it is all nonsense.
Not quite, since im opposed to both WoW and EQ2, mainly because of all the hype theyre getting when they really dont deserve it. Especially when EQ2 is getting rushed out the door from what i hear and is still buggy and missing conent. Its all about money, and SOE just had to have it now now now, instead of waiting a few more months to put out a polished well fleshed out game, they want to beat WoW to the market. Then theres WoW which in my opinion is just a cookie cutter Fantasy MMORPG with the Blizzard name tacked on. It just makes me wonder what people see in these games that hasnt already been done, and then why they go and harp on different games because they dont like them. Then the titles that actually deserve the hype but dont get it, for example Dark and Light which is doing quite a number of things which have never been done before, get pushed to the back of the pile purely because the other over-hyped games are hogging the market. Not to mention these fanbois for either game seem to have been worked up into a big frenzy and have nothing better to do than put down other games, like the most blatantly stupid comment the majority of them make is "This game is going to suck because the graphics are horrible"... anyways, im ranting so ill shutup
Perhaps this scenario will explain why some people will not purchase an SOE game:
You go to the grocery store and buy a frozen dinner and it tastes like poo. You decide that maybe it was just that it was one bad product out of the line, so you go to try a different one from the same company. The second one tastes even worse than the first. You are pretty unlikely to go and eat a third product from that company.
Or another way to explain it is: If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then it's probably a duck. If EQ2 turns out to be the shining gem in a pile of garbage, then the players will come. It'll just take a little time to get over the trauma from having to wade to it
THE ONLY innovative game i see on the market is Guild Wars.....
its stupid to bash eq2 for not being innovative enough...
actually....eq2 is MORE innovative then WoW..... its the first MMORPG with voice acting, and has the most innovative graphics engine, and partical effects system of any mmorpge...... ummm what does wow have ?
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I think SOE's claim to fame is that they lie the most about their subscription numbers. I've never played EQ beyond for about 10 minutes with a free trial, but if SWG is any indication, they are completely deceitful in their reporting of their subscription numbers.
People who believe everything that they hear, just because it's reported by someone or a group of people who have a large amount of power, are fools.
Die SOE Die
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Waiting for WoW, will play until something with new gameplay arrives
"The philosophy of a corporate entity umbrellas all activities. Obviously, SOE has a flawed way of doing business."
-Crabby, MMORPG Boards
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Looking forward (cautiously) to: Age of Conan, Dark Solstice, Armada Online.
Will soon try: Guild Wars
Overall: Amazed and bewhildered at the current sad state of the artform of gaming.
Every game that comes out and has a forum by the developer set up for that game will have someone complaining that the game sucks. I play online games alot and read alot of forums from Novalogic, Value, Sony, Blizzard, Lucas Arts, etc. and everyone has people complaing about a game they made....and personally i have found some issues with games i have bought that i didnt like, but thats life...nothing is going to be perfect, or run perfectly for your computer all the time. The worse forums i have read is the WoW forums....i mean some of the kids that post on there are just plan immature. ( i hate blzzard, why this...why that...etc...)
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I think both will be awesome games and will only get better in the future with updates and expansions.
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Even though its my first post I wanted to say that i was really looking forward to WoW, but after playing it a lot the last 4 days, I think Ill be playing EQ2..Honestly the main thing that turned me off of WoW were the character models and customization, they really could have done much better IMO. To each their own though, at least we have some new MMORPGs to hold us over
Yeah, and I'm sure they are including my SWG account in those numbers, even though I haven't been paying or playing in over a year; wouldn't surprise me with their business ethics, or I should say lack thereof.
Or, think of it this way: just because McDonalds is the world's leading food service retailer, with more than 30,000 restaurants in 119 countries, serving 47 million customers each day, does not mean their food is that great, nor does it mean their quality assurance, customer service, and prices are the best. Apparently the numbers speak for themselves and McDonalds is the best food joint out there - bar none! But every time I have eaten at a McDonalds, I am severly disappointed in the food, the prices are not what I consider fair (in comparison to the food), and almost always the customer service, though decent, has been a disappointment as well; my last three visits I could not get a single employee to even smile at me - not even the cashiers would smile back... I'm not even going to mention what it's like when you try to make a complaint about something to the management.
I see SOE as the same thing; sure they easily have the highest subscription numbers anywhere except for the Asian market, but that doesn't mean their products are the best. I for one will take my money elsewhere, because I'm not willing to pay for, what in my very best of estimations, is crap. To each their own. Apparently alot of people enjoy the companies and products of each so there must be something good about them.... right?
I think what dooms a lot of games to failure is the attempt to make one game that everyone will love. People are just too diverse for one game to please everyone completely.
If you make a game that has PvP in it, people who hate PvP are less likely to like the game. If you make the game so PvP is only consentual, the PKers will complain. If you make a game with a crafter based economy, the looters will complain. Conversely, if you make a game with a loot based economy, the crafters will complain. If you make a game with rare mobs, the casual players will complain that they are camped. If you make a game with a fixed-time levelling curve, the powergamers will complain.
No single game will ever please everyone. I wish game companies would quit trying for this lofty goal, find a niche and be the absoulte best game in that niche. There are so many areas that have hardly been tried that some real innovation could come out of it. For example, wild west based, gangster based, real-time combat, etc. Quit trying to be the next EQ. Several games have shown that they can survive with lower user counts, even thrive if they were designed for lower user counts and aren't trying to maintain 20 servers for 20k subscribers, and not paying for the bandwidth to support 500k subscribers. If each game found a niche and got subscribers interested in that niche, it would do quite well.
Unfortunately, there will still be people who are disappointed. People who buy a PvE only game and wanted PvP, for example. These people will whine and complain all day. They seem to feel they have to try every game out there, and then explain to people why every game out there sucks. As long as game companies keep listening to these players, there will be no true innovation to come out of this genre.