eve is a bit niche and i would love to enjoy to play it the problem is i have the attention span but the game is fundementally flawed in being dull unless your prepared to invest about 3 years of your life before it gets fun.
Saying EVE don't get fun until you spend 3 years is a pathetic ridiculas exaduration. You can have fun in EVE day 1. You can even PVP in EVE day 1 and be effective in a fleet. NO other MMO allows you to PVP in a effective manner in the open world setting day 1 like EVE.
People need to drop this fantasy that only 3 year vets can compete in EVE because it couldn't be more wrong. MANY ships don't even matter how many skillpoints you have after that ship is trained. Ship fitting, pilot tactics, fleet teamwork is MUCH more key to victory then skillpoints.
You can fly very decent ships in a short time training. As for the ships that take long to train for...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? You want a titan day 1? People need to drop the WOW mentality when trying EVE, because EVE is NOTHING like WOWs format.
Actually...Planetside truly is a game where a noob, on day one, can compete with veteran players of the game. As for EVE... what EVE are you playing? Seriously.
If it was based on population, it would be 1. WoW 2. Lineage 2 3. Lineage 1 4. Aion 5 LOTRO etc...
Now that is funny, Aion is not even out yet and you have them higher than lotro. You sir, have a problem with ludicrous numbers too. Not dissing Aion, I think it will do well when it is released, but let's not jump the gun.
Hes probably referring to the Korean version of the game which is out and has around 400k subs and growing. Last I heard LOTRO has 300k.
last they said aion had 200k, maybe 275k~ subs.. nowhere near 300-400k, half of those or even more are bots .. what could you expected from korean game >_<
In my first month of GW I had 200 people on friends list, a notepad list of 20 people I really would like to keep talking to, a few prospects as if I were online dating and besides that about a thousand guild offers.
It was also very rare for me to go more than 3 missions with any same person.
Not to mention how many times I cleared and readded people to friends list, just so I could do maybe one or two more missions with them before I was done.
Yes you CAN play it all alone, but you can do that in wow save dungeons and trust me the AI in GW is good, but not good enough so that you'd want to run it all with heroes unless your really as smart as you think you are, which is doubtfull.
I don't see why everyone thinks instanced world=suckyness. Sometimes you'd rather those node stealing 20 level higher ganking grouping nerds just weren't around, and would rather enjoy a game with friends.
I don't see why people think GRIND=rpg
I don't see why people play a game with an absence of a storyline involving you from level 1-MAX.
I don't see why people who don't enjoy reading a good novel even play mmo's where they don't have to roleplay.
GW Not an MMO? In my first month of GW I had 200 people on friends list, a notepad list of 20 people I really would like to keep talking to, a few prospects as if I were online dating and besides that about a thousand guild offers. It was also very rare for me to go more than 3 missions with any same person. Not to mention how many times I cleared and readded people to friends list, just so I could do maybe one or two more missions with them before I was done. Yes you CAN play it all alone, but you can do that in wow save dungeons and trust me the AI in GW is good, but not good enough so that you'd want to run it all with heroes unless your really as smart as you think you are, which is doubtfull. I don't see why everyone thinks instanced world=suckyness. Sometimes you'd rather those node stealing 20 level higher ganking grouping nerds just weren't around, and would rather enjoy a game with friends. I don't see why people think GRIND=rpg I don't see why people play a game with an absence of a storyline involving you from level 1-MAX. I don't see why people who don't enjoy reading a good novel even play mmo's where they don't have to roleplay.
A lot of people see GW as an advanced version of Diablo.
Aion has passed the 500k mark already in Korea alone, which is a great accomplishment considering it released when WotLK did, and a huge chunk of WoW players are Korean.
And there aren't many bots, anyone would know this if they looked anywhere other than a specific person's blog who posts nothing but negative points of the game, yet has been playing it since closed beta non-stop for a year now.
Diablo 2 had 100k users online...is it a MMO? GW will never be a MMO, even if there are 1 billion people playing it at the same time. Even the developers of the game said its not a MMO.
I haven't had the opportunity to read the article yet, but as far as MMO's go, it's a decent list. I've only tried WoW, LoTRO, WAR, GW, EQ2 and AoC of that group so my order would be different than what is listed based on experience. EvE I've always wanted to try but based on all you read of the time sink involved I haven't yet.
But realistically if you were putting a list together for someone completely new to MMORPGs WoW would have to rate first. Personally I'd move EQ2 up this list, as I think it's a wonderful game.
As for what the OP stated - some truth there. We do tend to get a bit jaded in our viewpoint reading on the down and dirty of a game versus just enjoying it warts and all.
This is all you need to try because the rest suck and if you don't like WoW then you have a long wait for something good. Such a shame because there used to be alot of good mmorpgs until they all got ruined by SOE.
I'll admit that I am a FFXI fan, and not having FFXI included in a top 9 "must play" MMORPG list is very close to the definition of sadness in my dictionary.
You know that list is not all that inaccurate. If I were PC Gamer and was looking at the various MMORPG's available today and what each offers and so on and so on, I'd probably make almost the same list. My list however would look something like this. 9. AoC 8. WAR 7. EvE 6. CoX 5. GW 4. DAoC 3. EQ2 2. LoTRO 1. WoW
The list is simply based on population, therefore your list would not go like that .
**The following MMO's were listed as being the top 9 best and biggest, listed from smallest to largest.**
If it were based on population, then It would be something like this.
1. WoW
2. Lineage II
3. GW
4. FFXI
I wish people would stop throwing out the same wrong numbers.
Lineage 2 is not #2 by any stretch. It is tiny in NA, and there are games which have far more subscribers (yes, subscribers) in Asia. It had its day in the sun. There was a time when the most popular games in terms of subscribers were Lineage, Lineage 2, and other. Those days are ancient history, in gaming terms.
FFXI is _definitely_ not #4. The MMOGchart numbers are way, way, way off. FFXI's own official numbers are far lower than what is reported by that site. Unless Square-Enix lied to under-report the success of their own product, which would be a new one on me, MMOGcharts needs to revise its numbers downward significantly for FFXI.
Guild Wars is a very complicated one. Nobody is subscribing to Guild Wars, and if you measure user concurrency for non-subscription-based games, other games blow it out of the water. There's Dofus, Maple Story, and a ton of other games which most people here wouldn't give a second glance.
The list is simply based on population, therefore your list would not go like that .
**The following MMO's were listed as being the top 9 best and biggest, listed from smallest to largest.**
That's mostly the problem with gaming artiucles -- they can't seem to seperate biggest and best. They should have dropped the word "best" and the list would have made more sense.
This is all you need to try because the rest suck and if you don't like WoW then you have a long wait for something good. Such a shame because there used to be alot of good mmorpgs until they all got ruined by SOE.
What are you talking about? There are several games I would rather play than wow, some of them on that list. Having more subscribers doesn't make wow a better game. That's like saying McDonald's has better food than any other restaurant because more people eat there.
Lineage 2 is not #2 by any stretch. It is tiny in NA, and there are games which have far more subscribers (yes, subscribers) in Asia. It had its day in the sun. There was a time when the most popular games in terms of subscribers were Lineage, Lineage 2, and other. Those days are ancient history, in gaming terms.
FFXI is _definitely_ not #4. The MMOGchart numbers are way, way, way off. FFXI's own official numbers are far lower than what is reported by that site. Unless Square-Enix lied to under-report the success of their own product, which would be a new one on me, MMOGcharts needs to revise its numbers downward significantly for FFXI.
Guild Wars is a very complicated one. Nobody is subscribing to Guild Wars, and if you measure user concurrency for non-subscription-based games, other games blow it out of the water. There's Dofus, Maple Story, and a ton of other games which most people here wouldn't give a second glance.
Pretty sure there was nothing said about North America only. And I'm also sure that the majority of WoW's 11 million players are Asian. And Ancient or not, L1 and L2 each have over 1 million subscribers atm, which is more than any other P2P MMO's aside from WoW....although I would imagine L2's numbers have been dropping since the release of Aion which has gone over 500k in a single country alone, in a matter of months.
You know that list is not all that inaccurate. If I were PC Gamer and was looking at the various MMORPG's available today and what each offers and so on and so on, I'd probably make almost the same list. My list however would look something like this. 9. AoC 8. WAR 7. EvE 6. CoX 5. GW 4. DAoC 3. EQ2 2. LoTRO 1. WoW
The list is simply based on population, therefore your list would not go like that .
**The following MMO's were listed as being the top 9 best and biggest, listed from smallest to largest.**
If it were based on population, then It would be something like this.
1. WoW
2. Lineage II
3. GW
4. FFXI
I wish people would stop throwing out the same wrong numbers.
Lineage 2 is not #2 by any stretch. It is tiny in NA, and there are games which have far more subscribers (yes, subscribers) in Asia. It had its day in the sun. There was a time when the most popular games in terms of subscribers were Lineage, Lineage 2, and other. Those days are ancient history, in gaming terms.
FFXI is _definitely_ not #4. The MMOGchart numbers are way, way, way off. FFXI's own official numbers are far lower than what is reported by that site. Unless Square-Enix lied to under-report the success of their own product, which would be a new one on me, MMOGcharts needs to revise its numbers downward significantly for FFXI.
Guild Wars is a very complicated one. Nobody is subscribing to Guild Wars, and if you measure user concurrency for non-subscription-based games, other games blow it out of the water. There's Dofus, Maple Story, and a ton of other games which most people here wouldn't give a second glance.
Do you people just have reading comprehension problems. lmao Take a chill pill..or better yet...::passes her piece:: Here you need it more than me.
Calind0r, there was a report in a korean site that takes care of measuring the games that are played on internet cafes over there, it said that over 500k people played aion there a pair of weeks ago, I can dig the article for you, it was in aionsource I think.
So, those numbers are counting the people who played that day, it didn't count the people playing from their homes and it didn't count the people who didn't go that day to play on an internet cafe. That's probably where you got your number from.
There was another article where it was stated that aion was already bigger than L2 in monthly revenue, so Aion is probably the second most played P2P mmorpg in the world right now, and it has only released in Korea ^^. IIRC it estimated that aion would make 120M$ this year in Korea if the numbers kept like that, I think it's posted in these forums, can dig it too for you, but it would be a bit of a hassle so i'd prefer if you trusted me :P
This is all you need to try because the rest suck and if you don't like WoW then you have a long wait for something good. Such a shame because there used to be alot of good mmorpgs until they all got ruined by SOE.
What are you talking about? There are several games I would rather play than wow, some of them on that list. Having more subscribers doesn't make wow a better game. That's like saying McDonald's has better food than any other restaurant because more people eat there.
You eat at Mc donalds for Convenience and you game for fun so therefore the whole Mc donalds argument is aload of crap. Games really can't be compared to anything seeing as they have so many elements that make them great or bad and in the end it is down to opinion but like the 5 million or so playing WoW and all the amazing reviews it scored does mean it is the best mmorpg ever made. you just can't argue with that and when you look at all the other mmorpgs closely you see why like Lotro has horrible combat and player models and bad PVP. EVE online is too niche and feels like work for alot of people etc etc.
WoW just offers the best all round experience and thats what makes it the best.
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Saying EVE don't get fun until you spend 3 years is a pathetic ridiculas exaduration. You can have fun in EVE day 1. You can even PVP in EVE day 1 and be effective in a fleet. NO other MMO allows you to PVP in a effective manner in the open world setting day 1 like EVE.
People need to drop this fantasy that only 3 year vets can compete in EVE because it couldn't be more wrong. MANY ships don't even matter how many skillpoints you have after that ship is trained. Ship fitting, pilot tactics, fleet teamwork is MUCH more key to victory then skillpoints.
You can fly very decent ships in a short time training. As for the ships that take long to train for...WHAT DO YOU EXPECT? You want a titan day 1? People need to drop the WOW mentality when trying EVE, because EVE is NOTHING like WOWs format.
Actually...Planetside truly is a game where a noob, on day one, can compete with veteran players of the game. As for EVE... what EVE are you playing? Seriously.
Now that is funny, Aion is not even out yet and you have them higher than lotro. You sir, have a problem with ludicrous numbers too. Not dissing Aion, I think it will do well when it is released, but let's not jump the gun.
Hes probably referring to the Korean version of the game which is out and has around 400k subs and growing. Last I heard LOTRO has 300k.
last they said aion had 200k, maybe 275k~ subs.. nowhere near 300-400k, half of those or even more are bots .. what could you expected from korean game >_<
http://ccefcoree.blogspot.com/2009/01/le-jeu-en-ligne-aion-bat-des-records.html
Theres your source. Yes it may have bots atm, but so do a lot of popular MMOs. Numbers are numbers. Bots are being steadily dealt with.
GW Not an MMO?
In my first month of GW I had 200 people on friends list, a notepad list of 20 people I really would like to keep talking to, a few prospects as if I were online dating and besides that about a thousand guild offers.
It was also very rare for me to go more than 3 missions with any same person.
Not to mention how many times I cleared and readded people to friends list, just so I could do maybe one or two more missions with them before I was done.
Yes you CAN play it all alone, but you can do that in wow save dungeons and trust me the AI in GW is good, but not good enough so that you'd want to run it all with heroes unless your really as smart as you think you are, which is doubtfull.
I don't see why everyone thinks instanced world=suckyness. Sometimes you'd rather those node stealing 20 level higher ganking grouping nerds just weren't around, and would rather enjoy a game with friends.
I don't see why people think GRIND=rpg
I don't see why people play a game with an absence of a storyline involving you from level 1-MAX.
I don't see why people who don't enjoy reading a good novel even play mmo's where they don't have to roleplay.
A lot of people see GW as an advanced version of Diablo.
bro its an awesome game. Definatly not for everyone just for most of us
It is a MMO...G!
I love the game but since the game doesn't have subs I don't think it should be on the list.
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Hello my old friend.
They left FFXI off the list in favor of AoC, SWG, among others?
Aion has passed the 500k mark already in Korea alone, which is a great accomplishment considering it released when WotLK did, and a huge chunk of WoW players are Korean.
And there aren't many bots, anyone would know this if they looked anywhere other than a specific person's blog who posts nothing but negative points of the game, yet has been playing it since closed beta non-stop for a year now.
Diablo 2 had 100k users online...is it a MMO? GW will never be a MMO, even if there are 1 billion people playing it at the same time. Even the developers of the game said its not a MMO.
i thinkt this survey is about P2P games. and does not include any F2P ones. correct me if I'm wrong.
I haven't had the opportunity to read the article yet, but as far as MMO's go, it's a decent list. I've only tried WoW, LoTRO, WAR, GW, EQ2 and AoC of that group so my order would be different than what is listed based on experience. EvE I've always wanted to try but based on all you read of the time sink involved I haven't yet.
But realistically if you were putting a list together for someone completely new to MMORPGs WoW would have to rate first. Personally I'd move EQ2 up this list, as I think it's a wonderful game.
As for what the OP stated - some truth there. We do tend to get a bit jaded in our viewpoint reading on the down and dirty of a game versus just enjoying it warts and all.
9. AoC
8. EQ2
7. SWG
6. CoX
5. GW
4. WAR
3. EvE
2. LoTRO
1. WoW
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This is all you need to try because the rest suck and if you don't like WoW then you have a long wait for something good. Such a shame because there used to be alot of good mmorpgs until they all got ruined by SOE.
You guys are missing the real travesty of this list, Hello Kitty Online is nowhere to be found!!!
What is this Heresy? Blasphemy I tell you! I demand answers!
I'll admit that I am a FFXI fan, and not having FFXI included in a top 9 "must play" MMORPG list is very close to the definition of sadness in my dictionary.
Most of these mmos are old except AOC and WAR and the majority was disappointed with both. I really hope there is a better future ahead for mmos.
Probably deserves to be on the list more than the NGE.
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The list is simply based on population, therefore your list would not go like that
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**The following MMO's were listed as being the top 9 best and biggest, listed from smallest to largest.**
If it were based on population, then It would be something like this.
1. WoW
2. Lineage II
3. GW
4. FFXI
I wish people would stop throwing out the same wrong numbers.
WoW is #1, yes.
Lineage 2 is not #2 by any stretch. It is tiny in NA, and there are games which have far more subscribers (yes, subscribers) in Asia. It had its day in the sun. There was a time when the most popular games in terms of subscribers were Lineage, Lineage 2, and other. Those days are ancient history, in gaming terms.
FFXI is _definitely_ not #4. The MMOGchart numbers are way, way, way off. FFXI's own official numbers are far lower than what is reported by that site. Unless Square-Enix lied to under-report the success of their own product, which would be a new one on me, MMOGcharts needs to revise its numbers downward significantly for FFXI.
Guild Wars is a very complicated one. Nobody is subscribing to Guild Wars, and if you measure user concurrency for non-subscription-based games, other games blow it out of the water. There's Dofus, Maple Story, and a ton of other games which most people here wouldn't give a second glance.
That's mostly the problem with gaming artiucles -- they can't seem to seperate biggest and best. They should have dropped the word "best" and the list would have made more sense.
This is all you need to try because the rest suck and if you don't like WoW then you have a long wait for something good. Such a shame because there used to be alot of good mmorpgs until they all got ruined by SOE.
What are you talking about? There are several games I would rather play than wow, some of them on that list. Having more subscribers doesn't make wow a better game. That's like saying McDonald's has better food than any other restaurant because more people eat there.
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I wish people would stop throwing out the same wrong numbers.
WoW is #1, yes.
Lineage 2 is not #2 by any stretch. It is tiny in NA, and there are games which have far more subscribers (yes, subscribers) in Asia. It had its day in the sun. There was a time when the most popular games in terms of subscribers were Lineage, Lineage 2, and other. Those days are ancient history, in gaming terms.
FFXI is _definitely_ not #4. The MMOGchart numbers are way, way, way off. FFXI's own official numbers are far lower than what is reported by that site. Unless Square-Enix lied to under-report the success of their own product, which would be a new one on me, MMOGcharts needs to revise its numbers downward significantly for FFXI.
Guild Wars is a very complicated one. Nobody is subscribing to Guild Wars, and if you measure user concurrency for non-subscription-based games, other games blow it out of the water. There's Dofus, Maple Story, and a ton of other games which most people here wouldn't give a second glance.
Pretty sure there was nothing said about North America only. And I'm also sure that the majority of WoW's 11 million players are Asian. And Ancient or not, L1 and L2 each have over 1 million subscribers atm, which is more than any other P2P MMO's aside from WoW....although I would imagine L2's numbers have been dropping since the release of Aion which has gone over 500k in a single country alone, in a matter of months.
It's also based on what their employees state them to be and not official numbers. I was quite surprised looking at the order of that list.
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The list is simply based on population, therefore your list would not go like that
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**The following MMO's were listed as being the top 9 best and biggest, listed from smallest to largest.**
If it were based on population, then It would be something like this.
1. WoW
2. Lineage II
3. GW
4. FFXI
I wish people would stop throwing out the same wrong numbers.
WoW is #1, yes.
Lineage 2 is not #2 by any stretch. It is tiny in NA, and there are games which have far more subscribers (yes, subscribers) in Asia. It had its day in the sun. There was a time when the most popular games in terms of subscribers were Lineage, Lineage 2, and other. Those days are ancient history, in gaming terms.
FFXI is _definitely_ not #4. The MMOGchart numbers are way, way, way off. FFXI's own official numbers are far lower than what is reported by that site. Unless Square-Enix lied to under-report the success of their own product, which would be a new one on me, MMOGcharts needs to revise its numbers downward significantly for FFXI.
Guild Wars is a very complicated one. Nobody is subscribing to Guild Wars, and if you measure user concurrency for non-subscription-based games, other games blow it out of the water. There's Dofus, Maple Story, and a ton of other games which most people here wouldn't give a second glance.
Do you people just have reading comprehension problems. lmao Take a chill pill..or better yet...::passes her piece:: Here you need it more than me.
Calind0r, there was a report in a korean site that takes care of measuring the games that are played on internet cafes over there, it said that over 500k people played aion there a pair of weeks ago, I can dig the article for you, it was in aionsource I think.
So, those numbers are counting the people who played that day, it didn't count the people playing from their homes and it didn't count the people who didn't go that day to play on an internet cafe. That's probably where you got your number from.
There was another article where it was stated that aion was already bigger than L2 in monthly revenue, so Aion is probably the second most played P2P mmorpg in the world right now, and it has only released in Korea ^^. IIRC it estimated that aion would make 120M$ this year in Korea if the numbers kept like that, I think it's posted in these forums, can dig it too for you, but it would be a bit of a hassle so i'd prefer if you trusted me :P
This is all you need to try because the rest suck and if you don't like WoW then you have a long wait for something good. Such a shame because there used to be alot of good mmorpgs until they all got ruined by SOE.
What are you talking about? There are several games I would rather play than wow, some of them on that list. Having more subscribers doesn't make wow a better game. That's like saying McDonald's has better food than any other restaurant because more people eat there.
You eat at Mc donalds for Convenience and you game for fun so therefore the whole Mc donalds argument is aload of crap. Games really can't be compared to anything seeing as they have so many elements that make them great or bad and in the end it is down to opinion but like the 5 million or so playing WoW and all the amazing reviews it scored does mean it is the best mmorpg ever made. you just can't argue with that and when you look at all the other mmorpgs closely you see why like Lotro has horrible combat and player models and bad PVP. EVE online is too niche and feels like work for alot of people etc etc.
WoW just offers the best all round experience and thats what makes it the best.