Iraqi policemen, still a long way to go

Precusor · February 2009

This drill Sergent rocks

hotair.com/archives/2009/02/05/tough-love-us-soldier-chews-out-iraqi-police/

Warning.. excessive use of foul language.

Teala · February 2009

wow

Mandarr · February 2009

They need to be treated that way. He's just speaking the truth.

Waterlily · February 2009

Let's get some perspective in here.

He's in 10 layer Kevlar and the iraqi are in in their shirts. Let's see this US soldier go out in his shirt to downtown Iraq and let's see if he comes back in one piece.....

He's also asking to shoot people of the same nationality.

American soldiers are paying these people with hard cash.

tvalentine · February 2009

lol i'd like to know what brought up this "pep talk". Like did they fail to enforce the law or something? or did they complain or call the sergeant down for help?

doccopicdu · February 2009

cant believe this is really happening. sad.

Mandarr · February 2009

Originally posted by Waterlily

Let's get some perspective in here.

He's in 10 layer Kevlar and the iraqi are in in their shirts. Let's see this US soldier go out in his shirt to downtown Iraq and let's see if he comes back in one piece.....
He's also asking to shoot people of the same nationality.
American soldiers are paying these people with hard cash.

Since when does the body armor of the US soldier make it any less dangerous for them to do their duty? They can still die just as easily as those Iraqi in shirts. And if the Iraqi fellow countrymen weren't the ones shooting at them, then obviously they would be shooting someone else. What makes it ok for the US to fight against them and not the Iraqis themselves?

Waterlily · February 2009

Originally posted by Mandarr

Since when does the body armor of the US soldier make it any less dangerous for them to do their duty?

Are you kidding? If this US soldier walked into downtown Iraq in his shirt he would come back in a box.

The video right next to this one shows 5 Iraq policemen getting killed.

He's asking to kill people of their own nationality. How do you feel about killing US people? huh?

Shut up, this US soldier is a disgrace, that's all he is. There's helping and there's being an inconsiderate asshole, he got many of these people and their cities in the hostile state they are now.

Mandarr · February 2009

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Mandarr

Since when does the body armor of the US soldier make it any less dangerous for them to do their duty?

Are you kidding? If this US soldier walked into downtown Iraq in his shirt he would come back in a box.

The video right next to this one shows 5 Iraq policemen getting killed.

He's asking to kill people of their own nationality. How do you feel about killing US people? huh?

Shut up, this US soldier is a disgrace, that's all he is. There's helping and there's being an inconsiderate asshole, he got many of these people and their cities in the hostile state they are now.

Walking down the street in body armor doesn't guarantee they won't come back in a box either. And as for killing US people. If they're attacking and killing my fellow citizens then I have no problem at all with killing them. Your anti Amercianism is showing in yet another one of your posts. So the US is to blame for their factions hating each other? The guy is trying to motivate them and get them to help themselves. The US isn't going to hold their hands forever.

popinjay · February 2009

Originally posted by Mandarr
Originally posted by Waterlily
Originally posted by Mandarr

Since when does the body armor of the US soldier make it any less dangerous for them to do their duty?

Are you kidding? If this US soldier walked into downtown Iraq in his shirt he would come back in a box.
The video right next to this one shows 5 Iraq policemen getting killed.
He's asking to kill people of their own nationality. How do you feel about killing US people? huh?
Shut up, this US soldier is a disgrace, that's all he is. There's helping and there's being an inconsiderate asshole, he got many of these people and their cities in the hostile state they are now.

Walking down the street in body armor doesn't guarantee they won't come back in a box either. And as for killing US people. If they're attacking and killing my fellow citizens then I have no problem at all with killing them. Your anti Amercianism is showing in yet another one of your posts. So the US is to blame for their factions hating each other? The guy is trying to motivate them and get them to help themselves. The US isn't going to hold their hands forever.

You fail to realize that Waterlily is quite right about the payment. That's the secret weapon that Petreaus used during the surge which is just coming out now.

See, half of the people fighting against us did it only because they were getting paid to do so by the terrorist network, and because we ruined their whole infrastructure overnight. So they had to get money someplace and became insurgents. We just pay them more than the terrorists right now, which Petraeus never authorized through Bush and he admitted this so they became cops.

Basically, we have a merc army of police who don't really care about getting terrorists out... they'd rather see US out but since we pay the rent.. There is no pride in this for them to kill fellow Muslims.

So when they go out, most don't actually LOOK for these guys or want to fight them. This is a losing U.S. strategy and will come to an end when we cut off the money. Waterlily didn't say anything un-American... it's just reality.

popinjay · February 2009

Originally posted by xxvicexx
(1)As for the Police..Many nations involved in Iraq but not militarily committed now or if ever have
invested alot of resources/money etc into Iraq Police. To call them Mercenaries that all sided with the terrorist before and will again..is just ridiculous.
Its called AID.
Overall the Iraqi government runs the police force with advisory/training roles played by many nations.

(2)Iraq has been a sovereign nation since June 29, 2004. Its not occupied. Its an Ally state. Its government is elected by its people in number that make US voting numbers look pathetic in comparison.

(1) Art 47. Mercenaries

1. A mercenary shall not have the right to be a combatant or a prisoner of war.
2. A mercenary is any person who:
(a) is specially recruited locally or abroad in order to fight in an armed conflict;
(b) does, in fact, take a direct part in the hostilities;
(c) is motivated to take part in the hostilities essentially by the desire for private gain and, in fact, is promised, by or on behalf of a Party to the conflict, material compensation substantially in excess of that promised or paid to combatants of similar ranks and functions in the armed forces of that Party;
(d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict;
(e) is not a member of the armed forces of a Party to the conflict; and
(f) has not been sent by a State which is not a Party to the conflict on official duty as a member of its armed forces.

Except for (d) and (f), this has the Iraqi Police Force pegged pretty good. They were hired to fight insurgents, and quite a bit came from those ranks. Just listen to the soldier call them out on it in the video, my man. I'll show you next post.

popinjay · February 2009

Edit* double post*

popinjay · February 2009

Originally posted by xxvicexx
What you are doing is mixing the rhetoric about the Awakening Council with the Police.
Whether intentionally or not I won't bother saying....

As for the Police..Many nations involved in Iraq but not militarily committed now or if ever have invested alot of resources/money etc into Iraq Police. To call them Mercenaries that all sided with the terrorist before and will again..is just ridiculous.
Its called AID.
Overall the Iraqi government runs the police force with advisory/training roles played by many nations.

(3)Iraq has been a sovereign nation since June 29, 2004. Its not occupied. Its an Ally state. Its government is elected by its people in number that make US voting numbers look pathetic in comparison.

Iraq Is Criticized for Slow Hire of Police, Sunnis Often Passed Over, General Says
By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 27, 2007; Page A11
A senior U.S. commander in Iraq yesterday criticized the Shiite-led government of Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki for "foot-dragging" in failing to hire thousands of Sunni and other volunteers needed to expand and balance the police force.
Maj. Gen. Benjamin R. Mixon, the U.S. commander for northern Iraq, said he initiated plans in April to boost by 6,000 the number of police in Diyala province, a volatile region that stretches east from Baghdad to the Iranian border. But despite Maliki's endorsement, he said the plan has not come to fruition.

"We're sitting here today, now in October, with an approval for 6,000 hires signed by Prime Minister Maliki, with no movement. In my book, that's foot-dragging," Mixon said in his final videoconference with Pentagon reporters before leaving northern Iraq, where he has commanded U.S. forces since September 2006.
The hiring of police in Diyala is a test of the U.S. military's effort to harness the emergence of tens of thousands of local volunteers to improve security across Iraq. Senior Pentagon officials have said that some 50,000 to 60,000 local residents -- many of them Sunni tribesmen and former insurgents -- have come forward over the past seven months to work with U.S. and Iraqi forces to help guard their neighborhoods.
"This fairly recent development is perhaps the greatest sign of progress during my time in Iraq," said Mixon, echoing recent statements by Gen. David H. Petraeus. Mixon said that the emergence of more than 15,000 volunteers in northern Iraq shows that popular support "is swinging in our direction."
Yet while the volunteers have helped pacify the western province of Anbar, which is 95 percent Sunni, commanders acknowledge that the Maliki government is more wary of incorporating Sunni volunteers in mixed sectarian areas such as Diyala and Baghdad. The momentum could erode unless volunteers are permanently hired as Iraqi police or soldiers, U.S. officials have said.

Currently many volunteers in Diyala are funded by temporary security contracts with the U.S. military that do not pay the full police wage. Some volunteers have quit in frustration at not being hired as police, U.S. commanders in Diyala said.
The obstruction is rooted in sectarianism inside the Iraqi government, Mixon said. "The problem we're dealing with now is what appears to be still sectarian divides in the Ministry of Interior that is responsible for the support to the police," he said, adding that "certain individuals may be trying to influence exactly who's being hired."
Mixon warned that time is running out for the Iraqi government to incorporate the local volunteers and take other steps toward political reconciliation -- such as holding provincial elections -- that can help solidify the security gains resulting from major U.S. military operations in Diyala and other parts of northern Iraq, where he said total attacks -- including those on U.S. forces, Iraqi forces and civilians -- have declined by 30 to 40 percent in the past four months.
Northern Iraq remains "a coveted terrorist sanctuary" with porous borders with Iran and Syria, as well as an area where unemployment creates a "fertile ground for an active insurgency," he said.
"We bought time for the government to act. They need to act and include the concerned local citizens and their security forces," Mixon said. "We are giving them an opportunity to resolve these issues," he said, but "that opportunity is now almost going to come to an end."

You were saying?

Of course, every Iraqi police dude is not a former insurgent. But I'm not sure if you have been keeping up with the news over the years. We've hired an awful lot of ex-insurgents away from Al Qaeda because... we. pay. more. It's not local pride that gets these farmers and insurgents to put on the uniform. Hell, look at half of them in videos. This could be a medievil standing army if you just give them chain and pikes.

Mercenaries. If you didn't pay most of them, they wouldn't show up. When they do show up, they don't do diddly. Maybe you're right... real mercenaries actually shoot back at the enemy. Didn't mean to give mercs such a bad name, lol.When we leave, these guys will quit in one month.

Your point (3) above is pretty laughable as well. Since 2004 huh? Yeah, sovereign with our propping, hehe.

andyrufus · February 2009

very sad to this news. the scar brought from the war is miserable. the iraq also get a long way to go.

popinjay · February 2009

Originally posted by xxvicexx
Its not an occupied state that claim makes almost anything you say suspect.
Others may accept fallacious claims as basis for idealistic positions..I won't.
.
(1)Your classification for mercenary includes any person on the face of the planet employed in any role that even mentions security..
That is a dictionary definition.. not proper usage.
.
(2)You also use it to condemn every single Volunteer who shows up as money being their only motivation which is unbelievably simplistic and false.
.
(3)Finally you rely on Old very outdated talking points to portray a reality that no longer exists with a pretty flippant attitude to any facts that don't fit the fantasy you and others have become reliant upon.

(1) So the dictionary is wrong. Gotcha.

(2) Didn't see anything I wrote about volunteers.

(3) If you consider a news story written in the Washington Post in October 27, 2007 to be "Old very outdated talking points", okie dokie. I'm sure you're right. Probably none of those many ex-insurgents the Pentagon said came forward to serve and "volunteer" are no longer working for the Iraqi Police after all these years have gone by.

ste2000 · February 2009

That kind of bollocking is normal.

The sergeant would have talked the same way to his own soldiers, if not worse.

If you've been in the army you know what I mean.

I don't see anything shocking in that video.

Probably the police have been a bit too soft and the serge was just trying to shake them up.

That's the way you do it.

popinjay · February 2009

Originally posted by xxvicexx
1) So you don't know how to use a dictionary.
2) Didn't read your own article then.
3) Its not the article you linked but didn't read that I am referring to. I'm referring to your use of canned lines that are Old and outdated. Its February 2009..not March 2005 but your rhetoric is the same but now without the help of any form of reality to support them.

I guess its hard to admit you support running out on an ally because your mutual enemy murdered tens of thousands of their civilians...and a few thousand of ours.

1) Personal attack.

2) How could I highlight, boldtype and underline easy bits to bolster my point saying there are lots of ex-insurgents on the Iraqi police force if I didn't read the article?

3) The "rhetoric" in the article I linked was stated to a reporter in 2007 concerning Iraqi police, not 2005. That is 14 months. I am not understanding what you are talking about regarding old rhetoric.

Here... I'll try again:

Iraq Is Criticized for Slow Hire of Police, Sunnis Often Passed Over, General Says
By Ann Scott Tyson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, October 27, 2007; Page A11
"A senior U.S. commander in Iraq yesterday... "

14 months ago. If you consider that old news, dunno what to tell you.

Chieftan · February 2009

Originally posted by Waterlily

Originally posted by Mandarr

Since when does the body armor of the US soldier make it any less dangerous for them to do their duty?

Are you kidding? If this US soldier walked into downtown Iraq in his shirt he would come back in a box.

The video right next to this one shows 5 Iraq policemen getting killed.

He's asking to kill people of their own nationality. How do you feel about killing US people? huh?

Yeah! Our policemen never have to kill fellow Americans! Stick that in your pipe and smoke it, Mandarr!

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