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Q/A explaining why I, me dummenumse, am such a rabid fanboy!
Why are the fanboys so... fanboyish?
Darkfall is by now the only game promising what many have been missing since the days of UO. The sandbox fantasy setting. We really do not know if there are any other suppliers of such a product in years to come.
But are you not discouraged by negatve leaks from closed beta?
Apparently not. The beta may be incomplete. Even the release may be lacking alot. But it still remains the only game that promise the above. Thus the willingness to support the project is still there in spite of bad news. And still there if the game is not even finished at release.
Many says the game seems unfinished or unpolished? does that not trouble you?
No. I do not expect a totally finished game at release. Few people do that with any MMO. There will be bugs and stuff. But thinking back it was actually fun to find those in UO. It will be fun to be part of the shaping of the game after release.
But Tasos has stated so many inconsistensies, does that not make you lose faith in Aventurine?
Again no. He promises alot and I believe that they have wanted to do all that with the game. That is ambition, though they have not (yet) been able to fulfill it all. The promises say something about the vision of the game and as a fan of the sandbox concept this is a reason to hope for what the game may one day become!
Why ignore the sluggish animations?
I do not need a Aion-like game with pretty angels (or whatever they are). I do not mind that my character does not wear glimmery armor and the like. And hell my orc can even walk funny. I want free PvP.
Why not question the postponed launches and NDA?
They postpone to finish more of the game which is fine. The beta leaks keep me confident that stuff is happening behind the curtain so the NDA is basicly irrelevant.
Do you really think Darkfall is the game to revolutionize the MMO industry?
Nah that is just sales garbage. The game appeals to me in vision and intent. Others feel the same.
What if they cheat you of your pre-order money?
I once bought a pair of shoes I did not like and never used. It sucked. But I got over it. They looked cool in the shopping window though.
What about all the promised features partially or wholly left out?
They wanted to do alot. Ofcourse they couldnt make all that happen. I am not surprised by that. Perhaps it will be in at a later time. It seems they want it to be there.
- Dummenumse
If you want to hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you better make damn sure the bad guy isnt you!
Comments
Good post.
Also labeled a fanboy because god forbid I am excited about a game that finally offers a great gaming experience based on what I am looking for in a MMO.
The audacity of some people to suggest that I am not actually having fun and the game I like sucks just proves how sad they are and that they arent "skeptics", they are trolls.
When this game can be discussed openly, i cant wait to go into more detail.
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Click this for lulz: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/173737/page/6
in a way its kinda sad. the company had many examples of other mmos out there and their outcome for wanting to do so much.
I still think they could have gone the route of adding the main features of the game that were important and slowly implementing others as the game progressed. They could have had the game out and a steady playerbase to cover the cost to improve their product.
Watching Fanbois drop their soap in a prison full of desperate men.
What game would that be oh Aventurine shill / employee?? DnF the game that hasn't been released yet and you can't be playing unless you are an employee or friend/family of the company or an NDA breaking alpha tester?
You are either lying or full of crap and I would venture it is a combination of both. If you know anything about the game then you are breaking NDA and should be banned from this board or are a paid shill and therefore just as suspect.
I am sick of the morons coming off as experts on a game that is still to this day by the strictest definition of the word "Vaporware".
Given he is a beta tester, I do not think the above counts as breaking any NDA. He just says he is having fun.
If you want to hire Machete to kill the bad guys, you better make damn sure the bad guy isnt you!
If this game succeeds silence is probably gonna become the norm for the lead up to game releases.
How i wish that was true..but even if it releases and A LOT of ppl sign up,many can come and find only bad things about it. And that would not be necessarily trolling (many ppl do the trash talk about WoW,and it's an HUGE mmorpg success),that would mean only different players wanting different experiences.
I had a dream of darkfall once,but guards being replaced by towers,the "not a single update to the site or forum" policy and AV pr treating fanbase like shit..dude...Of course,i'm not buying an ideology (that's why an visionary project isn't that attractive if doesn't deliver a good game. I will play the game,not the ideology behind it),so my plan is just wait to the game release (for sure not in the 25),see the reviews (when the old "they will fix it after release" point will be absurd) and decide. For sure MANY fanboys r going to accept bravely the bait role.
Good luck to us all
That is why people label you as such. Your personal attacks on every single person that posts something you disagree with. Nobody would have a problem if you actually pointed them to SS and Vids that back up what you say.
Given he is a beta tester, I do not think the above counts as breaking any NDA. He just says he is having fun.
Actually, most NDAs say that you cannot even say you are in the beta in any way shape or form.
What game would that be oh Aventurine shill / employee?? DnF the game that hasn't been released yet and you can't be playing unless you are an employee or friend/family of the company or an NDA breaking alpha tester?
You are either lying or full of crap and I would venture it is a combination of both. If you know anything about the game then you are breaking NDA and should be banned from this board or are a paid shill and therefore just as suspect.
I am sick of the morons coming off as experts on a game that is still to this day by the strictest definition of the word "Vaporware".
Yea if people wonder why some of the fans throw the word troll around a lot....suggesting this game is still "the strictest def of vaporware" is trolling......you want it to be vaporware so bad....you want to say you were right so bad...this game no longer qualifies as vaporware....that is a FACT.
You trolls asked for beta leeks, you got em...you wanted more beta leeks cause those werent good enough....you now have leaks all over in every form....and you still wont admit that its no vaporware...stop trolling or get with the rest of the crowd who gave up on the vaporware arguemetn a long time ago.
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Click this for lulz: http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/173737/page/6
having fun blinding yourself to reality originalegg?
The fact of the matter is - I've played this game over a friends house.. an it's a horrific horrific amateur mess that still looks like it's in some kind of terrible alpha state.
it's like what you would expect to play from some kind of free game.. and still things like Ships were not there... and all of the main features were non existent. There was nothing there but an empty world and very basic mechanics .. it was a shell of a game.. and it played like a really really dumbed down less polished version of planet side.
everything is vaporware until you can buy it and login junior
What game would that be oh Aventurine shill / employee?? DnF the game that hasn't been released yet and you can't be playing unless you are an employee or friend/family of the company or an NDA breaking alpha tester?
You are either lying or full of crap and I would venture it is a combination of both. If you know anything about the game then you are breaking NDA and should be banned from this board or are a paid shill and therefore just as suspect.
I am sick of the morons coming off as experts on a game that is still to this day by the strictest definition of the word "Vaporware".
ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
everything is vaporware until you can buy it and login junior
I've said it before, and I'll say it again.
A big thank you to the DF trolls for taking away any power the "vaporware" word had.
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
Proof they lost their Publisher?
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
Hey Darkstar... Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
I think you missed the point in his post. He was pointing out that games in a beta stage can still be canceled. No game exists until it is officially released, excluding free games.
No reason to get defensive because he pointed out a fact about the videogame industry that goes against your want for this game.
Personally, I think it will get pushed out regardless of the state it is in. Even with a half-canned game, it appears they will get better money releasing it than cutting their losses now via bankruptcy support. They still have enough people who will purchase a game just to find out what it's like. The genre hasn't seen a release in a while and that could benefit them.
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
I think you missed the point in his post. He was pointing out that games in a beta stage can still be canceled. No game exists until it is officially released, excluding free games.
No reason to get defensive because he pointed out a fact about the videogame industry that goes against your want for this game.
Personally, I think it will get pushed out regardless of the state it is in. Even with a half-canned game, it appears they will get better money releasing it than cutting their losses now via bankruptcy support. They still have enough people who will purchase a game just to find out what it's like. The genre hasn't seen a release in a while and that could benefit them.
Soory to burst your vaporware hard on . . .
**Tabula Rasa starts beta = no longer vaporware:
www.joystiq.com/2007/01/06/tabula-rasa-not-vaporware-starts-beta-testing/
Let's use Wiki here . . .
--Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.--
Read it again.
Okay, now first of all . . .
Now what is the normal length of dev time for a MMORPG? Your answer lies here:
http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/MMORPG_-_Amateur_development/id/5281201
It states --"The average MMORPG project takes three to four years and large investments of money to create. Amateur development usually takes longer due to lack of developer's time, manpower or money."--
If we figure they started in 2001 . . . 3-4 years would bring us to 2004-2005. Add a few extra years, and we are about right.
Next point . . .
The optimism is warranted. The fans have seen hundreds of pics and videos. They have read leaks of hundreds of testers.
The project has not been abandoned, and it would be crazy for the devs to do so at this point.
The product is not too early in the dev cycle to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. It is in beta with thousands of people playing (and most enjoying) it.
Lastly . . .
DFO has had a long developement time, which would be considered normal for an amateur MMORPG team. There is showed progress in the beta testing stage. Most of you know where to find this information.
In conclusion, I have shown you (and the other trolls) the definitions of vaporware, and showed to you how Darkfall Online can no longer be considered vaporware.
Thanks for playing though . . . see you ingame . . . impaled on my sword.
proof PLZ
where you heard that ?
BestSigEver :P
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
Hey Darkstar... Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".
Sure.
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.
-Darkstar
Mortal Online is as well.
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
Hey Darkstar... Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".
Sure.
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.
-Darkstar
Then may I direct your attention here:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2644133
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
Hey Darkstar... Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".
Sure.
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.
-Darkstar
Then may I direct your attention here:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2644133
Yes I saw the post it was very well written.
I especially enjoyed the extensive use of color coding.
Cudos.
-Darkstar
Gods & Heros was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Dragon Empires was in Beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
WISH was in beta - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
UOX - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
Mythica - Guess what? it was cancelled and is / was vaporware
and the list can go on..
Yes Darkfall is 100% pure VAPORWARE STILL at this point. They even lost their publisher / distributor for all of Europe....
so until you can actually put CC# info to order and than login and play - it's Vaporware.
And originalegg is NOT a beta tester. He is jut a disgruntled fanboy who can't admit he was wrong and is angry that DF has turned out to be one of the biggest MMO let downs in history.
Put ur money where ur mouth is:
Do YOU believe that Darkfall is Vaporware?
Not asking if it COULD be Vaporware, ofcourse the Aventurine studios could burn down or be the victim of chemical warfare, in an infinite universe all things are possible.
But are u saying that Darkfall IS Vaporware ?
Or are u just spewing rethoric u dont even believe in urself ?
-Darkstar
Hey Darkstar... Just for my own curiosity, can you give me your definition of "vaporware".
Sure.
Vaporware is a term used to describe a software or hardware product that is announced by a developer well in advance of release, but which then fails to emerge after having well exceeded the period of development time that was initially claimed or would normally be expected for the development cycle of a similar product. The term implies unwarranted optimism, an as yet unannounced abandonment of a project, or sometimes even deception; that is, it may imply that the announcer knows that product development is in too early a stage to support responsible statements about its completion date, feature set, or even feasibility. However, most vaporware would not be considered a hoax since the makers have a genuine intention to create their product, even if it ultimately never materializes. Products with unspecified release dates or long development times that outwardly demonstrate regular, verifiable progress in production are not normally labelled vaporware.
Thats from (u guessed it) wikipedia, and I find the definition to be accurate.
-Darkstar
Then may I direct your attention here:
www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2644133
Yes I saw the post it was very well written.
I especially enjoyed the extensive use of color coding.
Cudos.
-Darkstar
ooh . . . that was not calling you out. I misread your name when my computer lagged when I was scrolling. It was direct at the vaporware trolls.
Soory