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JinaexJinaex Member Posts: 44
in Age of Conan: Unchained

First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.

Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.

 

secondly...

To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.

It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...

Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.

While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.

I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.

In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...

I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop.

 

 

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  • DraklonDraklon Member UncommonPosts: 218
    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop.

    It takes some getting used to here on MMORPG. But after a while you start to recognise which people only complain just to complain and which ones have some decent information to share. And then you can start blocking the trolls and the forum becomes a better place for you

  • silkwormsilkworm Member Posts: 163
    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop.
     
     

     

    GAME IS PERFECT

    Don't post about how much you hate it cause you drive potential customers away.

    Threads posted here are skewed towards people who hate.

    Vast majority of haters feel the need to post here while a tiny percentage of lovers will post about their love.

    Haters have the added effect of penetrating the hardened anti-hater psychological barriers of potential customers.

    There are games out there that are actually good, but they are perceived as being bad.

    Haters should be terminated.

    GAME IS PERFECT.

  • courtsdadcourtsdad Member Posts: 326
    Originally posted by silkworm

    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop.
     
     

     

    GAME IS PERFECT

    Don't post about how much you hate it cause you drive potential customers away.

    Threads posted here are skewed towards people who hate.

    Vast majority of haters feel the need to post here while a tiny percentage of lovers will post about their love.

    Haters have the added effect of penetrating the hardened anti-hater psychological barriers of potential customers.

    There are games out there that are actually good, but they are perceived as being bad.

    Haters should be terminated.

    GAME IS PERFECT.



     

    I wonder if he gets it?

    "Alex ill take what is hypocracy for $1000"

    Its funny while trying to voice his like of the game he actually hit on why some stay here and monitor those that will tell you that AOC can part the Red Sea.

    OP continue enjoying the game if it fits your style and good luck.

  • anakinsellaanakinsella Member UncommonPosts: 228
    Originally posted by silkworm



    GAME IS PERFECT
    Don't post about how much you hate it cause you drive potential customers away.
    Threads posted here are skewed towards people who hate.
    Vast majority of haters feel the need to post here while a tiny percentage of lovers will post about their love.
    Haters have the added effect of penetrating the hardened anti-hater psychological barriers of potential customers.
    There are games out there that are actually good, but they are perceived as being bad.
    Haters should be terminated.
    GAME IS PERFECT.

    Kind of a dick move, but ok.

     

    @ ;OP - Glad you're enjoying it, and yes there are tons of haters on message boards, welcome to the interwebs. But then again, people have just as much the right to talk about why they don't like a game as those do who want to talk about why they DO. But like you said, it's usually true that the haters are more vocal because they feel like they have to vent their disappointment to help them justify their quitting / $50 / monthly fee / etc to themselves.

     

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  • Darth_OsorDarth_Osor Member Posts: 1,089

    YAY!  Another "free speech only if you agree with me" poster.  If you want to see only fanboi posts, try the official forums.  Oh wait, there's still plenty of disgruntled paying customers there, too.  Guess you're SOL.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop. 

     

    And that they do this is perfectly fine, and here's why:

    When someone is shopping for something, they KNOW what they are looking for.  They won't waste their time digging up info on something(in this case, a game) that they aren't interested in.  They read the peddlers feature claims, determine whether or not it's what they're looking for, and then dig around on various info sources to find out more.

    A smart buyer will look to see what the main objections are, and determine whether the objectors claims are credible, and determine if those things will matter to them.

    A dumb buyer will be looking for excuses to buy the thing.

    In short, people already KNOW a games strengths before they go this deep for info.  There are reviews for this game EVERYWHERE.  And Funcom is certainly going to focus on the games' strengths in their marketing.

    But people who come here for info are looking for more specific info.  And they get it.

    I've seen alot of comments about the game that I disagree with... that combat is just another button mashathon... story is dull, etc.  But the overall consensus... the conglomeration of ALL the main points discussed here and at other boards is pretty spot on.  Some really bad game mechanics, the huge drop in content quality after Tortage... they're a common opinion that Funcom would do best to take seriously.

    Last point, and I really get tired of having to make it:  When you make a post about how you're tired of being "attacked" because you like the game, and that other peoples' opinions who are negative should be "moderated"(ie censored based on their opinion), you are attacking them.  You are attacking people whose opinions differ from yours because you think they're attacking your opinion.  Get the irony, yet?

    I'm glad you enjoy the game.  I enjoyed the game, too, up to this point.  I couldn't stop playing til I left Tortage.  Then I found I could stop playing at any time, perhaps permanently.  This is a problem Funcom would do best to address.

  • George41George41 Member Posts: 6

    if you don't agree with me, stop posting, because it is a waste of everyone's time to hear your non-mine opinion.

    The game is mediocre (now) at best.  The first 6 months it was horrible and got a reputation to match it.  It is a game still that has the least amount of content for those at the upper end of leveling and endgame.  The amount of content that has been added in the past makes it highly unlikely that it will ever have enough content to keep players occupied.

    If you know nothing about Lotro, WOW, EVE and warhammer, then yes, AOC might be a decent, mediocre game.

  • ConzaConza Member Posts: 119
    Originally posted by Robsolf

    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop. 

     

    And that they do this is perfectly fine, and here's why:

    When someone is shopping for something, they KNOW what they are looking for.  They won't waste their time digging up info on something(in this case, a game) that they aren't interested in.  They read the peddlers feature claims, determine whether or not it's what they're looking for, and then dig around on various info sources to find out more.

    A smart buyer will look to see what the main objections are, and determine whether the objectors claims are credible, and determine if those things will matter to them.

    A dumb buyer will be looking for excuses to buy the thing.

    In short, people already KNOW a games strengths before they go this deep for info.  There are reviews for this game EVERYWHERE.  And Funcom is certainly going to focus on the games' strengths in their marketing.

    But people who come here for info are looking for more specific info.  And they get it.

    I've seen alot of comments about the game that I disagree with... that combat is just another button mashathon... story is dull, etc.  But the overall consensus... the conglomeration of ALL the main points discussed here and at other boards is pretty spot on.  Some really bad game mechanics, the huge drop in content quality after Tortage... they're a common opinion that Funcom would do best to take seriously.

    This is where you I just have to smile. No content after Tortage. lol.

    Last point, and I really get tired of having to make it:  When you make a post about how you're tired of being "attacked" because you like the game, and that other peoples' opinions who are negative should be "moderated"(ie censored based on their opinion), you are attacking them.  You are attacking people whose opinions differ from yours because you think they're attacking your opinion.  Get the irony, yet?

    I'm glad you enjoy the game.  I enjoyed the game, too, up to this point.  I couldn't stop playing til I left Tortage.  Then I found I could stop playing at any time, perhaps permanently.  This is a problem Funcom would do best to address.

    And looking to your statement above, You left Tortage 8 months ago. Lets put it this way explain to me and and my guild how we are able to level to level 80 just doing 80-90% of the quests (there are basically too many or you can skip some of the ones you simply don't like.



     

    Look, I think people are really trying to help you and others comprehend the fundemental changes that have now taken place in AoC. If you woun'r let yourself get helped, then obviously you have to keep thinking there is no conntent in AoC.

    Standard not out of the way content in AoC:

    *Questing from level 1-80 (tons of new quests, revamped dungeons/pyramids and what not, Ymirs Pass)

    *PvP Consequence and PvP leveling (Minigames and World/Border Kingdom PvP)

    *Guild vs Guild Siegeing

    *Culture City Building

    *The revamped Crafting, Explore for the new craft receipes. Craft new gear, sell/farm or whatever

    *Raiding (and wing3 Raid content coming in this week)

    And then of course just the community and your guild/friends. I think there are not less content in AooC than any other MMO.

  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774
    Originally posted by George41


    if you don't agree with me, stop posting, because it is a waste of everyone's time to hear your non-mine opinion.
    The game is mediocre (now) at best.  The first 6 months it was horrible and got a reputation to match it.  It is a game still that has the least amount of content for those at the upper end of leveling and endgame.  The amount of content that has been added in the past makes it highly unlikely that it will ever have enough content to keep players occupied.
    If you know nothing about Lotro, WOW, EVE and warhammer, then yes, AOC might be a decent, mediocre game.



     

    I totally disagree with your statement saying that AoC is medicore.

    In my honest opinion it is no worse or better than almost all other games (MMOs) out there, expections are Eve and WoW(both about 5+years old now) .

    You say there is no end game content but as far as i know there are five (lvl80) 24 man raids.                        And there is as much content in the lower levels now as any other MMO out there.

    From your post above you have only mentioned the end game content (high lvl and end game) as the reason that you think that the game is medicore, if you like to highlight any other issues with the game that make you believe that thisis case i would be happy to hear it.

  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774
    Originally posted by Robsolf


     
    And that they do this is perfectly fine, and here's why:
    When someone is shopping for something, they KNOW what they are looking for.  They won't waste their time digging up info on something(in this case, a game) that they aren't interested in.  They read the peddlers feature claims, determine whether or not it's what they're looking for, and then dig around on various info sources to find out more.
    A smart buyer will look to see what the main objections are, and determine whether the objectors claims are credible, and determine if those things will matter to them.
    A dumb buyer will be looking for excuses to buy the thing.
    In short, people already KNOW a games strengths before they go this deep for info.  There are reviews for this game EVERYWHERE.  And Funcom is certainly going to focus on the games' strengths in their marketing.
    But people who come here for info are looking for more specific info.  And they get it.
    I've seen alot of comments about the game that I disagree with... that combat is just another button mashathon... story is dull, etc.  But the overall consensus... the conglomeration of ALL the main points discussed here and at other boards is pretty spot on.  Some really bad game mechanics, the huge drop in content quality after Tortage... they're a common opinion that Funcom would do best to take seriously.
    Last point, and I really get tired of having to make it:  When you make a post about how you're tired of being "attacked" because you like the game, and that other peoples' opinions who are negative should be "moderated"(ie censored based on their opinion), you are attacking them.  You are attacking people whose opinions differ from yours because you think they're attacking your opinion.  Get the irony, yet?
    I'm glad you enjoy the game.  I enjoyed the game, too, up to this point.  I couldn't stop playing til I left Tortage.  Then I found I could stop playing at any time, perhaps permanently.  This is a problem Funcom would do best to address.



     

    This is rather a funny post !

    The poster complains about lack of content quality after Tortage!

    Please tell me what other game(MMO) has the Tortage experience? None - is the answer.

    So take Tortage away from AOC and you are left with the questing system that are in VG, LOTROL, WAR, WOW, etc   that is, "Go there and kill 10 pigs", Go here and collect 10 flowers"

    So if you say that the game has no content quality after Tortage then, by your logic, all other games have no content quality either!!!!

    If you are talking about content as in normal content then AoC has content and you are either out of date or gravely mistaken, either way your preception of AoC is just plain wrong, sorry dude.

     

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by Conza

    Originally posted by Robsolf

    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop. 

     

    And that they do this is perfectly fine, and here's why:

    When someone is shopping for something, they KNOW what they are looking for.  They won't waste their time digging up info on something(in this case, a game) that they aren't interested in.  They read the peddlers feature claims, determine whether or not it's what they're looking for, and then dig around on various info sources to find out more.

    A smart buyer will look to see what the main objections are, and determine whether the objectors claims are credible, and determine if those things will matter to them.

    A dumb buyer will be looking for excuses to buy the thing.

    In short, people already KNOW a games strengths before they go this deep for info.  There are reviews for this game EVERYWHERE.  And Funcom is certainly going to focus on the games' strengths in their marketing.

    But people who come here for info are looking for more specific info.  And they get it.

    I've seen alot of comments about the game that I disagree with... that combat is just another button mashathon... story is dull, etc.  But the overall consensus... the conglomeration of ALL the main points discussed here and at other boards is pretty spot on.  Some really bad game mechanics, the huge drop in content quality after Tortage... they're a common opinion that Funcom would do best to take seriously.

    This is where you I just have to smile. No content after Tortage. lol.

    Last point, and I really get tired of having to make it:  When you make a post about how you're tired of being "attacked" because you like the game, and that other peoples' opinions who are negative should be "moderated"(ie censored based on their opinion), you are attacking them.  You are attacking people whose opinions differ from yours because you think they're attacking your opinion.  Get the irony, yet?

    I'm glad you enjoy the game.  I enjoyed the game, too, up to this point.  I couldn't stop playing til I left Tortage.  Then I found I could stop playing at any time, perhaps permanently.  This is a problem Funcom would do best to address.

    And looking to your statement above, You left Tortage 8 months ago. Lets put it this way explain to me and and my guild how we are able to level to level 80 just doing 80-90% of the quests (there are basically too many or you can skip some of the ones you simply don't like.



     

    Look, I think people are really trying to help you and others comprehend the fundemental changes that have now taken place in AoC. If you woun'r let yourself get helped, then obviously you have to keep thinking there is no conntent in AoC.

    Standard not out of the way content in AoC:

    *Questing from level 1-80 (tons of new quests, revamped dungeons/pyramids and what not, Ymirs Pass)

    *PvP Consequence and PvP leveling (Minigames and World/Border Kingdom PvP)

    *Guild vs Guild Siegeing

    *Culture City Building

    *The revamped Crafting, Explore for the new craft receipes. Craft new gear, sell/farm or whatever

    *Raiding (and wing3 Raid content coming in this week)

    And then of course just the community and your guild/friends. I think there are not less content in AooC than any other MMO.

     

    Firstly, I said content QUALITY, not content QUANTITY.  And yes, it has dropped.  Fetching kegs of Wheat Beer for merchants doesn't quite stack up to what you see in tortage, where most quests serve at least SOME kind of purpose other than making you look like a lackey.

    Secondly, yes, I was in beta, but decided from what I saw not to actually buy the game til' later.  Later turned out to be last week.

    Finally... NONE of the things you talk about have been as much as hinted at since I hit Stygia.  I can gather but can't craft.  Can ride a mount only because I got a free mammoth.  What you get when you hit your homeland(Stygia) are a bunch quests that equate to the least of what was in Tortage.

    Tack on to that absurd things like needing 200 climbing skill to climb a 10 foot ladder in the gatherer village, and you've got a gaming experience that leaves a bad taste in your mouth after tortage.

    the Set sacrifice quest was funny, though.

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by VultureSkull



    This is rather a funny post !
    The poster complains about lack of content quality after Tortage!
    Please tell me what other game(MMO) has the Tortage experience? None - is the answer.
    So take Tortage away from AOC and you are left with the questing system that are in VG, LOTROL, WAR, WOW, etc   that is, "Go there and kill 10 pigs", Go here and collect 10 flowers"
    So if you say that the game has no content quality after Tortage then, by your logic, all other games have no content quality either!!!!
    If you are talking about content as in normal content then AoC has content and you are either out of date or gravely mistaken, either way your preception of AoC is just plain wrong, sorry dude.
     

    Actually, that is precisely why I'm NOT playing any of those MMO's.  Tortage is precisely why I liked AoC enough to give it a chance, and decided to wait til' the bugs I saw in beta were fixed, and go buy the game.

    If you were to view any of my other posts, you'd see I give a lot of props for Tortage.  But the post-Tortage game has thus far been pretty disappointing. 

     

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by Conza



     

    Look, I think people are really trying to help you and others comprehend the fundemental changes that have now taken place in AoC. If you woun'r let yourself get helped, then obviously you have to keep thinking there is no conntent in AoC.

     

    PS... this is interesting.  Let me "help" you with something:

    If you think you need to "help" someone like a game, then there is something wrong.  I didn't need "help" enjoying Tortage.  Good content is good content.  There is no "comprehending fundamental changes", no "helping people like stuff"... people like it or they don't.

    What an arrogant bunch of nonsense to think that other people are "too stupid to enjoy something" on their own.  It's that kind of arrogance that brings gaming companies to bankruptcy.

  • dhayes68dhayes68 Member UncommonPosts: 1,388
    Originally posted by Jinaex   
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.

    Ya, I know. FC is a crappy company that ripped off a lot of people selling a unfinished game and treating its customer base like garbage. Since FC has no refund policy, i warn others about how bad AoC/FC is. Whats wrong with that?

  • dhayes68dhayes68 Member UncommonPosts: 1,388
    Originally posted by VultureSkull

    Originally posted by Robsolf


     
    And that they do this is perfectly fine, and here's why:
    When someone is shopping for something, they KNOW what they are looking for.  They won't waste their time digging up info on something(in this case, a game) that they aren't interested in.  They read the peddlers feature claims, determine whether or not it's what they're looking for, and then dig around on various info sources to find out more.
    A smart buyer will look to see what the main objections are, and determine whether the objectors claims are credible, and determine if those things will matter to them.
    A dumb buyer will be looking for excuses to buy the thing.
    In short, people already KNOW a games strengths before they go this deep for info.  There are reviews for this game EVERYWHERE.  And Funcom is certainly going to focus on the games' strengths in their marketing.
    But people who come here for info are looking for more specific info.  And they get it.
    I've seen alot of comments about the game that I disagree with... that combat is just another button mashathon... story is dull, etc.  But the overall consensus... the conglomeration of ALL the main points discussed here and at other boards is pretty spot on.  Some really bad game mechanics, the huge drop in content quality after Tortage... they're a common opinion that Funcom would do best to take seriously.
    Last point, and I really get tired of having to make it:  When you make a post about how you're tired of being "attacked" because you like the game, and that other peoples' opinions who are negative should be "moderated"(ie censored based on their opinion), you are attacking them.  You are attacking people whose opinions differ from yours because you think they're attacking your opinion.  Get the irony, yet?
    I'm glad you enjoy the game.  I enjoyed the game, too, up to this point.  I couldn't stop playing til I left Tortage.  Then I found I could stop playing at any time, perhaps permanently.  This is a problem Funcom would do best to address.



     

    This is rather a funny post !

    The poster complains about lack of content quality after Tortage!

    Please tell me what other game(MMO) has the Tortage experience? None - is the answer.

    So take Tortage away from AOC and you are left with the questing system that are in VG, LOTROL, WAR, WOW, etc   that is, "Go there and kill 10 pigs", Go here and collect 10 flowers"

    So if you say that the game has no content quality after Tortage then, by your logic, all other games have no content quality either!!!!

    If you are talking about content as in normal content then AoC has content and you are either out of date or gravely mistaken, either way your preception of AoC is just plain wrong, sorry dude.

     

     

    Anyone familiar with AoC can answer this. Its not necessarily the type of quest that is the problem. Its the LACK of quests. In other MMO's I'm usually offered a quite wide array of questing paths as I level to choose from. AoC's lack of content means you have far fewer choices. To get to 80 you'll be doing most of the quests available in the game.  That sucks. Really cuts down on the replayability.

    Tortage also sucks. Is it well done? Yes. But well done or not, I don't want what is essentially a mandatory 20 level standalone rpg tutorial experience that is almost exactly the same EVERYTIME I start a new character in my MMO.

     

  • GreygonGreygon Member Posts: 75
    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop.
     
     



     

    I played for 4 months.  I too loved it after a week.  I loved it after a month.  You'll see...  throwing your holier than thou attitude around because you have played for a whole week!  I have a Guild that went to AoC as a group.  Out of the 20 or so Guild members I have played games with for over 5 years, NOT ONE wanted to stay in AoC after our 3 month subscription was up.

    I appreciate your pontification, but don't you think you need to play for a little longer than a week before you start telling people that HAVE played alot longer than you how we should think and act?

  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607
    Originally posted by dhayes68

    Originally posted by VultureSkull



    This is rather a funny post !
    The poster complains about lack of content quality after Tortage!
    Please tell me what other game(MMO) has the Tortage experience? None - is the answer.
    So take Tortage away from AOC and you are left with the questing system that are in VG, LOTROL, WAR, WOW, etc   that is, "Go there and kill 10 pigs", Go here and collect 10 flowers"
    So if you say that the game has no content quality after Tortage then, by your logic, all other games have no content quality either!!!!
    If you are talking about content as in normal content then AoC has content and you are either out of date or gravely mistaken, either way your preception of AoC is just plain wrong, sorry dude.
     

     

    Anyone familiar with AoC can answer this. Its not necessarily the type of quest that is the problem. Its the LACK of quests. In other MMO's I'm usually offered a quite wide array of questing paths as I level to choose from. AoC's lack of content means you have far fewer choices. To get to 80 you'll be doing most of the quests available in the game.  That sucks. Really cuts down on the replayability.

    Tortage also sucks. Is it well done? Yes. But well done or not, I don't want what is essentially a mandatory 20 level standalone rpg tutorial experience that is almost exactly the same EVERYTIME I start a new character in my MMO.

     

    At the risk, of being between a rock and a hard place, I have to disagree with this.  Each of the Archtypes has different quest paths through Tortage.  While many of the main climactic quests are the same, your role in the story and many of the side missions change(I'm referring to the destiny quests, here).

    Example:  As a mage, you quest and find out about the ritual to find out who the resistance leader is.  As the rogue, you're the one who sneaks in and mucks it up.

    The entertwining of all these roles was one of the big things in Tortage that put a smile on my face.  ne of the things that, so far, seems missing from the rest of the game.

  • ConzaConza Member Posts: 119
    Originally posted by Greygon

    Originally posted by Jinaex


    First of all let me say that this game is fantastic.
    Been playing for a week now and absolutely love it.
     
    secondly...
    To all the people who post how bad a game is (in your opinion), please first consider that many people actually read what you write and use your post as part of the decision process in buying the game.
    It is very obvious to me (at least now is it, and may not be obvious to other people) that threads posted here are outrageously skewed towards people who have bad experiences...
    Far too many people feel compelled to write up about how bad their experience was as part of the venting process to put it behind themselves. What this means (incomming fake stats) is that 10% of people who feel the game was good will post about it, whereas 80% of people who felt it was bad will post about it.
    While many people will point out (mostly trolls) that this is outrageously obvious and anyone who doesn't take this into account should never listen to another persons opinion ever again, the fact remains that this can happen on a subconscious level since it's about a video game, which most people file under a relatively low number on their list of important things.
    I'm now starting to wonder just how many games out there that people are claiming to be bad, are actually good... then people complain that the population is low, creating further negative items for a game... and hence the chain reaction begins.
    In my opinion, there should be heavy moderation on threads which blatantly put a game down without well documented articles or entries supporting the claim. No game is for everyone, and there will always be somebody who hates a game...
    I feel like I could go on forever, but I'll stop.
     
     



     

    I played for 4 months.  I too loved it after a week.  I loved it after a month.  You'll see...  throwing your holier than thou attitude around because you have played for a whole week!  I have a Guild that went to AoC as a group.  Out of the 20 or so Guild members I have played games with for over 5 years, NOT ONE wanted to stay in AoC after our 3 month subscription was up.

    I appreciate your pontification, but don't you think you need to play for a little longer than a week before you start telling people that HAVE played alot longer than you how we should think and act?



     

    I think not many people will try to refute what you are saying. A lot of players left...probably all the way up to October/November, and probably partwise for the reason you mention.

     

    BUT, try and get this one. AoC have had massive content updates, implementation of PvP systems, PvP gear, New Zones, New dungeons, Revamped dungeons, hadfulls of quests poured into all mountain regions as well as in all cities (for higher levels), tweaked up raid content, debugged, performance increased, added Siege mechanics, tweeked sieges, tweeked class balancing, and so on and so on and so on...... Most of this probably happened after you left. FC was busy fixing memory leaks, and different attack speed issues when you played. Well guess what, we remaining players have gotten the good stuff after you left. This is what we are trying to share and this is what you can take or leave. AoC is not for everyone, but if you left because you had any particular issues with the game, it might be a good idea checking back.

    Most importantly the community have gotten so much better after launch and particularly after merge and transfers. AoC have real GvG War and conflicts now. This is something you should check out.

     

  • BishopBBishopB Member UncommonPosts: 8
    Originally posted by VultureSkull



    So take Tortage away from AOC and you are left with the questing system that are in VG, LOTROL, WAR, WOW, etc   that is, "Go there and kill 10 pigs", Go here and collect 10 flowers"
    So if you say that the game has no content quality after Tortage then, by your logic, all other games have no content quality either!!!!
    If you are talking about content as in normal content then AoC has content and you are either out of date or gravely mistaken, either way your preception of AoC is just plain wrong, sorry dude.
     

     

    I would beg to disagree. None of the other games have you clear a sewer for snakes and thugs to find the kidnapped 'princess' of a sad man on the city marked place...only to find out that after you've killed all the thugs and the thug boss, that the 'princess' is in fact a white poodle sitting on a pillow.

    Or the time a man asks you to kill crocs to find the remains of his eaten wife...

    Or if you kill the brother of the daughter of Ymir, she will reward you with some...nice private time.

    None of the other games have quests like this .

    (Ok, this might be a weak argument, but AoC does differ in the content.)

     

  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774
    Originally posted by dhayes68


     
    Anyone familiar with AoC can answer this. Its not necessarily the type of quest that is the problem. Its the LACK of quests. In other MMO's I'm usually offered a quite wide array of questing paths as I level to choose from. AoC's lack of content means you have far fewer choices. To get to 80 you'll be doing most of the quests available in the game.  That sucks. Really cuts down on the replayability.
    Tortage also sucks. Is it well done? Yes. But well done or not, I don't want what is essentially a mandatory 20 level standalone rpg tutorial experience that is almost exactly the same EVERYTIME I start a new character in my MMO.
     



     

    Familiar with AoC you are not my friend.

    How can you say what you say? I can only conclude that you have not actually played AoC EVER.

    Or if you have then you only go to where your quest point you to go.

  • dhayes68dhayes68 Member UncommonPosts: 1,388
    Originally posted by Robsolf

    Originally posted by dhayes68

    Originally posted by VultureSkull



    This is rather a funny post !
    The poster complains about lack of content quality after Tortage!
    Please tell me what other game(MMO) has the Tortage experience? None - is the answer.
    So take Tortage away from AOC and you are left with the questing system that are in VG, LOTROL, WAR, WOW, etc   that is, "Go there and kill 10 pigs", Go here and collect 10 flowers"
    So if you say that the game has no content quality after Tortage then, by your logic, all other games have no content quality either!!!!
    If you are talking about content as in normal content then AoC has content and you are either out of date or gravely mistaken, either way your preception of AoC is just plain wrong, sorry dude.
     

     

    Anyone familiar with AoC can answer this. Its not necessarily the type of quest that is the problem. Its the LACK of quests. In other MMO's I'm usually offered a quite wide array of questing paths as I level to choose from. AoC's lack of content means you have far fewer choices. To get to 80 you'll be doing most of the quests available in the game.  That sucks. Really cuts down on the replayability.

    Tortage also sucks. Is it well done? Yes. But well done or not, I don't want what is essentially a mandatory 20 level standalone rpg tutorial experience that is almost exactly the same EVERYTIME I start a new character in my MMO.

     

    At the risk, of being between a rock and a hard place, I have to disagree with this.  Each of the Archtypes has different quest paths through Tortage.  While many of the main climactic quests are the same, your role in the story and many of the side missions change(I'm referring to the destiny quests, here).

    Example:  As a mage, you quest and find out about the ritual to find out who the resistance leader is.  As the rogue, you're the one who sneaks in and mucks it up.

    The entertwining of all these roles was one of the big things in Tortage that put a smile on my face.  ne of the things that, so far, seems missing from the rest of the game.

     

    A. The differences between the different classes running through tortage are very minor.

    B. Did it put a smile on your face the second time? How bout the third? The fourth or fifth times?  People in MMO's do tend to like to make many different chars.

    C. Just from the standpoint of a 'mature'  MMO, I found that mandatory participation in the main storyline was weak. The fact that I was the 'one' and my name was written in the stars, frankly embarrassing. What is this a disney MMO? The fact that in an MMO I expect to be the one to have some say in my chars backstory. To be forced to have what is essentially a standalone rpg backstory to be completely backwards in an MMO. All the effort they put into it and pvp'ers won't care and rp'ers will ignore it to make their own backstory.

    Tortage was nicely done. But as an into into an MMORPG it fails.

    imo.

  • dhayes68dhayes68 Member UncommonPosts: 1,388
    Originally posted by VultureSkull

    Originally posted by dhayes68


     
    Anyone familiar with AoC can answer this. Its not necessarily the type of quest that is the problem. Its the LACK of quests. In other MMO's I'm usually offered a quite wide array of questing paths as I level to choose from. AoC's lack of content means you have far fewer choices. To get to 80 you'll be doing most of the quests available in the game.  That sucks. Really cuts down on the replayability.
    Tortage also sucks. Is it well done? Yes. But well done or not, I don't want what is essentially a mandatory 20 level standalone rpg tutorial experience that is almost exactly the same EVERYTIME I start a new character in my MMO.
     



     

    Familiar with AoC you are not my friend.

    How can you say what you say? I can only conclude that you have not actually played AoC EVER.

    Or if you have then you only go to where your quest point you to go.

     

    Nice rebuttal. I'm sure anyone who reads this will see how well you showed what I said was incorrect.

  • anakinsellaanakinsella Member UncommonPosts: 228

    well this thread toke a nose dive into a flame war pretty damn fast

     

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  • RobsolfRobsolf Member RarePosts: 4,607


     
    A. The differences between the different classes running through tortage are very minor.
    B. Did it put a smile on your face the second time? How bout the third? The fourth or fifth times?  People in MMO's do tend to like to make many different chars.
    C. Just from the standpoint of a 'mature'  MMO, I found that mandatory participation in the main storyline was weak. The fact that I was the 'one' and my name was written in the stars, frankly embarrassing. What is this a disney MMO? The fact that in an MMO I expect to be the one to have some say in my chars backstory. To be forced to have what is essentially a standalone rpg backstory to be completely backwards in an MMO. All the effort they put into it and pvp'ers won't care and rp'ers will ignore it to make their own backstory.
    Tortage was nicely done. But as an into into an MMORPG it fails.
    imo.

     

    Well, I'm a sucker for stories that twist on perspectives even in the simpler fashion used here.  Almost hoped to see my rogue character sitting up on the appropriate rooftop at a particular point in the story.  I'm easy to please that way, I suppose. 

    ...but seeing as how none of that picks up again until lvl 30 now, and I'm currently "fetching" stuff for merchants and gathering stuff for items that I can't forge while picking lily's... I might instead go back and run the other 2 archtypes through Tortage and bring my $8(box, shipped) subscription to an end.

  • VultureSkullVultureSkull Member UncommonPosts: 1,774
    Originally posted by dhayes68

    Originally posted by VultureSkull

    Originally posted by dhayes68


     
    Anyone familiar with AoC can answer this. Its not necessarily the type of quest that is the problem. Its the LACK of quests. In other MMO's I'm usually offered a quite wide array of questing paths as I level to choose from. AoC's lack of content means you have far fewer choices. To get to 80 you'll be doing most of the quests available in the game.  That sucks. Really cuts down on the replayability.
    Tortage also sucks. Is it well done? Yes. But well done or not, I don't want what is essentially a mandatory 20 level standalone rpg tutorial experience that is almost exactly the same EVERYTIME I start a new character in my MMO.
     



     

    Familiar with AoC you are not my friend.

    How can you say what you say? I can only conclude that you have not actually played AoC EVER.

    Or if you have then you only go to where your quest point you to go.

     

    Nice rebuttal. I'm sure anyone who reads this will see how well you showed what I said was incorrect.

    I agree with you that there is one way through Tortage, but after that, from 20 to 40 for example, there are 3 lands you can go to each offering quests all the way up to 30+.

     

    So how can you there is a LACK of quests when there are 3 times more quests than is required????

    This is basic knowledge of AoC and since you dont know that then you are not at all familar with the game, i can only go by what you write, and what you have written shows that you dont know a thing about it, maybe you only experienced Tortage.

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