1Q 09 update from Olev Sandnes, Funcom CFO. And yes, the results are not good.

AmazingAvery · February 2009

Originally posted by atmogat

Ok first up. I'm a graphic artist at Funcom in Oslo and have worked on AoC.
Many of you seem to spend an unhealthy inordinant amount of time fixated with this game - creating and disseminating negative speculation about the state of affairs at Funcom - much of it so wide of the mark I might add. Since much of it comes from the 'usual suspects' and is the essentially the same assertions repeated ad nauseum the venom of the comments has tended to lose their initial impact all those months ago, especially when they often no longer reflect the state of the game now. Well the capacity for people to fixate on a single issue, and the internet's ability to facilitate this amazes me. At times the comments have left me feeling sad but I've never felt compelled to comment until now.
Regarding my own contribution to the game there's much I'm proud of and also much I'd certainly do differently if I had the chance. Equally, I'd readily admit that there were many good elements that whole team can be proud of, and a fair number of 'not-so-great' critical desicisions made during the course of development and ultimately the launch, and the immediate post-launch period of the game - decisions within management, marketing and other teams for instance that someone like me may have a personal opinion about but had no control or influence over their outcome.
What I can say is that the team is very commited to listening to the players, to addressing the issues and deficiencies - and I'm sure any fair-minded person here would agree that the game has improved leaps and bounds and will continue to do so. Clearly there are clear business imperatives for Funcm to improve the game but as developers we are very much motivated by pride and above all else, for the sake of those who pay and play. I personally take a lot of pride in my work even if I'm not always happy with the outcome - but then I learn form my mistakes (I hope) and I strive to improve. Many of the team have invested a lot into this game. Some have young familes they've spend days, weeks, and months barely seeing, others have come from the far side of the globe and have worked on the game for years, far from families and home.
I'm not saying any of this to garner any sympathy - I'm certainly not asking for it. After all, we who work here choose to pursue this line of work with all it's vagrancies and uncertainties. I'm simply saying this in the hope that people will engage something other than their angry internet forum persona when anonymously posting. Whatever your beef with AoC or Funcom, it's pretty disturbing and in poor taste to gleefully wish for Funcom's demise along with the loss of my job among many others. Why, especially given these difficult times would you want me to lose my job? Like many people I go to work, I do the best I can, and often work extra hours to get the job done to my satisfaction and in the hope that someone might stop and notice what I've made. If they also then all the better. And like many of you I also have personal and financial commitments.
Why too would you want the demise of a game simply because you don't like it? There are people that do and surely, it's ok for people to like different things - different strokes. While it's absolutely fair to post your criticisms and critiques, surely it's taking it too far when you feel that people should stop playing simply because you say so? I'm sure, behind the anonymity of your internet personas, that you're far better than all of this.
Back to working on material for upcoming patches and the expansion. I won't say anymore than that.
Peace.

EDIT spelling

Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts down. The thing is 6 out of the 7 people that posted after yourself are only herefor one reason. No real interest in the game apart from a destructive one.

Many resent the changes we are seeing as paid subscribers coming through in a tangible way.

They also resent the ability to know when to let go, which of course is there opinion but a very small shared one here. Yep there are some genuine people and then those from which you swore you spoke to them before under different monikors.

Just so you know atmogat there are plenty of people paying and enjoying the game you help make and are grateful for that. Those that are truly interested in the game can see the difference to those that don't which is one reason of comparison for your "wide of the mark" comment. Many readers know the true difference and can pick out those types of misinformed people a mile off. It's these same types of people who think I am quoting myself at the moment

Keep up the good work.

atmogat · February 2009

Wow, just wow, I'm pretty speechless right now.

I'm not in a position to comment further - I could present a deal here that would dispute the much of the speculation of certain individuals. And as to the claim that I'm Avery or anyone else than who I say assert is uterlly consistent with the accuracy and veracity of much of what you guys spend inordinate amounts of time posting here.

@Octo. Release timetables and marketing pushes have nothing to do with me. I may have a personal opinion on these but I'm not going to share them here. If I fail in my responsibilities, which are limited, then I'm sure to be held accountable.

@fanaticd Not sure what I have to do with Obama but 'kay but thanks, I'll bear your comments in mind.

I only asked that you critique and criticize all you like (although perhaps it would reflect better upon you if your posts contained accurate and up-to-date information but whatever...) but perhaps think about is appropriate and in good taste.

@Avery Thanks!

Unfinished · February 2009

As for being upset with posters here, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Even though you are not responsible for how FunCom handles their business, you may want to keep in mind how dishonestly they treated their customers. I do not think it is above them to treat their employees as badly if not worse. Tough times are coming for FunCom, you may wanna look for another wagon to hitch a ride on.

Always keep your resume up to date, and your eyes open for better opportunities.

Blackwell99 · February 2009

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by atmogat

Ok first up. I'm a graphic artist at Funcom in Oslo and have worked on AoC.
Many of you seem to spend an unhealthy inordinant amount of time fixated with this game - creating and disseminating negative speculation about the state of affairs at Funcom - much of it so wide of the mark I might add. Since much of it comes from the 'usual suspects' and is the essentially the same assertions repeated ad nauseum the venom of the comments has tended to lose their initial impact all those months ago, especially when they often no longer reflect the state of the game now. Well the capacity for people to fixate on a single issue, and the internet's ability to facilitate this amazes me. At times the comments have left me feeling sad but I've never felt compelled to comment until now.
Regarding my own contribution to the game there's much I'm proud of and also much I'd certainly do differently if I had the chance. Equally, I'd readily admit that there were many good elements that whole team can be proud of, and a fair number of 'not-so-great' critical desicisions made during the course of development and ultimately the launch, and the immediate post-launch period of the game - decisions within management, marketing and other teams for instance that someone like me may have a personal opinion about but had no control or influence over their outcome.
What I can say is that the team is very commited to listening to the players, to addressing the issues and deficiencies - and I'm sure any fair-minded person here would agree that the game has improved leaps and bounds and will continue to do so. Clearly there are clear business imperatives for Funcm to improve the game but as developers we are very much motivated by pride and above all else, for the sake of those who pay and play. I personally take a lot of pride in my work even if I'm not always happy with the outcome - but then I learn form my mistakes (I hope) and I strive to improve. Many of the team have invested a lot into this game. Some have young familes they've spend days, weeks, and months barely seeing, others have come from the far side of the globe and have worked on the game for years, far from families and home.
I'm not saying any of this to garner any sympathy - I'm certainly not asking for it. After all, we who work here choose to pursue this line of work with all it's vagrancies and uncertainties. I'm simply saying this in the hope that people will engage something other than their angry internet forum persona when anonymously posting. Whatever your beef with AoC or Funcom, it's pretty disturbing and in poor taste to gleefully wish for Funcom's demise along with the loss of my job among many others. Why, especially given these difficult times would you want me to lose my job? Like many people I go to work, I do the best I can, and often work extra hours to get the job done to my satisfaction and in the hope that someone might stop and notice what I've made. If they also then all the better. And like many of you I also have personal and financial commitments.
Why too would you want the demise of a game simply because you don't like it? There are people that do and surely, it's ok for people to like different things - different strokes. While it's absolutely fair to post your criticisms and critiques, surely it's taking it too far when you feel that people should stop playing simply because you say so? I'm sure, behind the anonymity of your internet personas, that you're far better than all of this.
Back to working on material for upcoming patches and the expansion. I won't say anymore than that.
Peace.

EDIT spelling

Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts down. The thing is 6 out of the 7 people that posted after yourself are only herefor one reason. No real interest in the game apart from a destructive one.

Many resent the changes we are seeing as paid subscribers coming through in a tangible way.

They also resent the ability to know when to let go, which of course is there opinion but a very small shared one here. Yep there are some genuine people and then those from which you swore you spoke to them before under different monikors.

Just so you know atmogat there are plenty of people paying and enjoying the game you help make and are grateful for that. Those that are truly interested in the game can see the difference to those that don't which is one reason of comparison for your "wide of the mark" comment. Many readers know the true difference and can pick out those types of misinformed people a mile off. It's these same types of people who think I am quoting myself at the moment

Keep up the good work.

For a skeptical guy avery when it involves the so called haters--you are really are quick to accept his post as solid evidence that he is who he says he is? Why?

As for the (alleged) artist--well what can I tell you, unfortunately because of FC's shady methods (and the fanatics) and some of the posts with various people pleading for the "families" of FC employees (some just today as a matter of fact) I find this hard to believe. Im willing to bet you aren't who you say you are.

However -I`ll play along and pretend it is real.

But back to the question I asked Avery--Why?

If you think that people have just randomly chose to up rise against FC, that is simply not the case. It wasn't random, and no customers don't forgive and forget. Ask anybody who lost their job at General Motors. Sure people feel bad--but would you buy their cars...umm no, i need reliability is the most common answer. People don't do business with companies that can't provide a reasonable product. However FC did much more than not provide a reasonable product--they lied, lured, baited, switched, and did it with no remorse at the time (Oh Im sure they are sorry now). You talk about the internet being some kind of safe haven for ones persona, well let me tell you, FC would never get away with their antics if it wasn't for the safety of the internet, but because players have to sign a electronic piece of paper that says you can do (as a company) whatever you feel like---it's okay. So everybody gets hosed and FC exploits that agreement. But not this time, and I believe that goes for all companies these days, and it's because of the free flow of information on the internet. Without it, you would never have a job in the first place.

Not that this is in the same league (of crime) but a company called Enron tried to fix the market in the USA, a lot of innocent people became unemployed because of that too, people who had no idea what was going on til the cops came in and sieged everything, the difference seems to be--you know quite well what FC did. Im sorry but that's life and doesn't change my stand on FC one bit. If you are who you say you are, (and I doubt it) as an artist for AoC (the one aspect we can all agree does deliver less the DX10 factor) Im sure you would have no problem finding work at the very least as a commercial artist. However there is a saying that fits the occasion, one you should think about. it goes, "You lie with the dogs, you sleep with the dogs." That means you are only worth the company you keep, if your friends are all bad people, you will be guilty by association. As an artist--and I`ve known a few, unemployment shouldn t scare people in your occupation especially if you have enough talent to work on AoC.

BTW: Wasn`t it just 2 weeks ago someone posted that FC was HIRING artists

I would say nice try---but it really wasn t

AmazingAvery · February 2009

Originally posted by Unfinished

As for being upset with posters here, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. Even though you are not responsible for how FunCom handles their business, you may want to keep in mind how dishonestly they treated their customers. I do not think it is above them to treat their employees as badly if not worse. Tough times are coming for FunCom, you may wanna look for another wagon to hitch a ride on.
Always keep your resume up to date, and your eyes open for better opportunities.

You see the way some people's minds work here Atmogat. You do your job, your involved in producing a better product and honing your skills, your doing this in an environment which may or may not be right for you, but you are doing it and the fact is it is noticed. Lending credance to these wishful, desperate posts promotes the fact that the poster was right in his opinion all along and that is probably something you have a different take on. That's what I feel he wants. Something universal that can go hand in hand with his opinions. Unfinished actually has been a subscriber with Funcom for 7 yrs I think. That says and stands for something. Although his opinions are presented as factual across the board, often they don't speak for everyone.

It might of been better said if he went with something like "how some people were felt FC were being dishonest". This is coming from his experience at launch and just after only. And also shares the sentiments of quite a few people to be honest. In follow up, typically found from people who missed out on some news inbetween I've found.

What's important is that regardless of Mr Sandnes departure that you continue the good work your doing, many of the dev's that post on the test servers are doing a great job in keeping us up to date and looking for constructive feedback. It is much appreciated, refreshing and great for Funcom in being hands on in this area.

What's funny is that considering advice from someone who doesn't have your employers best interest at heat and neither your own is trying to manipulate any of your comments to his own agenda.

Only you can make your own mind up about who and how long you work for someone, and garnering how much the game looks, which is widely accepted to be the best on the market is only further indication that your doing something right with a company that allows this.

Again, I always focus on my job and find it irritating when gossips do just that and not concentrate on their own work. I understand that discussing the financial side of things may not be the best thing to do here but if you truly feel nothing to be worried about then don't be. The CFO left, you lived through G.G's departure which would have had more of an impact one would of thought on the job role there.

AmazingAvery · February 2009

Originally posted by Blackwell99

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by atmogat

Ok first up. I'm a graphic artist at Funcom in Oslo and have worked on AoC.
Many of you seem to spend an unhealthy inordinant amount of time fixated with this game - creating and disseminating negative speculation about the state of affairs at Funcom - much of it so wide of the mark I might add. Since much of it comes from the 'usual suspects' and is the essentially the same assertions repeated ad nauseum the venom of the comments has tended to lose their initial impact all those months ago, especially when they often no longer reflect the state of the game now. Well the capacity for people to fixate on a single issue, and the internet's ability to facilitate this amazes me. At times the comments have left me feeling sad but I've never felt compelled to comment until now.
Regarding my own contribution to the game there's much I'm proud of and also much I'd certainly do differently if I had the chance. Equally, I'd readily admit that there were many good elements that whole team can be proud of, and a fair number of 'not-so-great' critical desicisions made during the course of development and ultimately the launch, and the immediate post-launch period of the game - decisions within management, marketing and other teams for instance that someone like me may have a personal opinion about but had no control or influence over their outcome.
What I can say is that the team is very commited to listening to the players, to addressing the issues and deficiencies - and I'm sure any fair-minded person here would agree that the game has improved leaps and bounds and will continue to do so. Clearly there are clear business imperatives for Funcm to improve the game but as developers we are very much motivated by pride and above all else, for the sake of those who pay and play. I personally take a lot of pride in my work even if I'm not always happy with the outcome - but then I learn form my mistakes (I hope) and I strive to improve. Many of the team have invested a lot into this game. Some have young familes they've spend days, weeks, and months barely seeing, others have come from the far side of the globe and have worked on the game for years, far from families and home.
I'm not saying any of this to garner any sympathy - I'm certainly not asking for it. After all, we who work here choose to pursue this line of work with all it's vagrancies and uncertainties. I'm simply saying this in the hope that people will engage something other than their angry internet forum persona when anonymously posting. Whatever your beef with AoC or Funcom, it's pretty disturbing and in poor taste to gleefully wish for Funcom's demise along with the loss of my job among many others. Why, especially given these difficult times would you want me to lose my job? Like many people I go to work, I do the best I can, and often work extra hours to get the job done to my satisfaction and in the hope that someone might stop and notice what I've made. If they also then all the better. And like many of you I also have personal and financial commitments.
Why too would you want the demise of a game simply because you don't like it? There are people that do and surely, it's ok for people to like different things - different strokes. While it's absolutely fair to post your criticisms and critiques, surely it's taking it too far when you feel that people should stop playing simply because you say so? I'm sure, behind the anonymity of your internet personas, that you're far better than all of this.
Back to working on material for upcoming patches and the expansion. I won't say anymore than that.
Peace.

EDIT spelling

Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts down. The thing is 6 out of the 7 people that posted after yourself are only herefor one reason. No real interest in the game apart from a destructive one.

Many resent the changes we are seeing as paid subscribers coming through in a tangible way.

They also resent the ability to know when to let go, which of course is there opinion but a very small shared one here. Yep there are some genuine people and then those from which you swore you spoke to them before under different monikors.

Just so you know atmogat there are plenty of people paying and enjoying the game you help make and are grateful for that. Those that are truly interested in the game can see the difference to those that don't which is one reason of comparison for your "wide of the mark" comment. Many readers know the true difference and can pick out those types of misinformed people a mile off. It's these same types of people who think I am quoting myself at the moment

Keep up the good work.

For a skeptical guy avery when it involves the so called haters--you are really are quick to accept his post as solid evidence that he is who he says he is? Why?

As for the (alleged) artist--well what can I tell you, unfortunately because of FC's shady methods (and the fanatics) and some of the posts with various people pleading for the "families" of FC employees (some just today as a matter of fact) I find this hard to believe. Im willing to bet you aren't who you say you are.

However -I`ll play along and pretend it is real.

But back to the question I asked Avery--Why?

If you think that people have just randomly chose to up rise against FC, that is simply not the case. It wasn't random, and no customers don't forgive and forget. Ask anybody who lost their job at General Motors. Sure people feel bad--but would you buy their cars...umm no, i need reliability is the most common answer. People don't do business with companies that can't provide a reasonable product. However FC did much more than not provide a reasonable product--they lied, lured, baited, switched, and did it with no remorse at the time (Oh Im sure they are sorry now). You talk about the internet being some kind of safe haven for ones persona, well let me tell you, FC would never get away with their antics if it wasn't for the safety of the internet, but because players have to sign a electronic piece of paper that says you can do (as a company) whatever you feel like---it's okay. So everybody gets hosed and FC exploits that agreement. But not this time, and I believe that goes for all companies these days, and it's because of the free flow of information on the internet. Without it, you would never have a job in the first place.

Not that this is in the same league (of crime) but a company called Enron tried to fix the market in the USA, a lot of innocent people became unemployed because of that too, people who had no idea what was going on til the cops came in and sieged everything, the difference seems to be--you know quite well what FC did. Im sorry but that's life and doesn't change my stand on FC one bit. If you are who you say you are, (and I doubt it) as an artist for AoC (the one aspect we can all agree does deliver less the DX10 factor) Im sure you would have no problem finding work at the very least as a commercial artist. However there is a saying that fits the occasion, one you should think about. it goes, "You lie with the dogs, you sleep with the dogs." That means you are only worth the company you keep, if your friends are all bad people, you will be guilty by association. As an artist--and I`ve known a few, unemployment shouldn t scare people in your occupation especially if you have enough talent to work on AoC.

BTW: Wasn`t it just 2 weeks ago someone posted that FC was HIRING artists

I would say nice try---but it really wasn t

You see you failing to take into account the other side of the coin where people share the same point of view as I do. I am in one guild that has increased it's numbers since launch that is playing on a server that has many guilds in the same position. I have a friends list full of people that have been playing with me since release and well beforehand. I can respect your stance and I can understand it, but you can never seem to reciprocate.

As for the authenticity of atmogat, lets just say I am a good judge of character and that instinct has never let me down in life. I can also relate to what he says here and it share exactly the same sentiments I read every day on the test server. ( About how the team is committed, proudness, admittance things are not perfect, genuine intent to make things better (which can be measured and seen in my opinion) )

Again the atmogat brings another point of view across, which is so easily readily dismissed by those that don't have the games best interest at heart. Basically as it goes against their opinion, and thats ok, and can understand that. But the pure knockdowns aren't even funny or good. Funcom is trying it's best to retain and improve and they are doing a good job in doing so currently. They are out for a profit and it is a long road to get there. Intentions of the company and staff are well placed and again most easily measurable positively as of late.

silkworm · February 2009

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by Blackwell99

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by atmogat

Ok first up. I'm a graphic artist at Funcom in Oslo and have worked on AoC.
Many of you seem to spend an unhealthy inordinant amount of time fixated with this game - creating and disseminating negative speculation about the state of affairs at Funcom - much of it so wide of the mark I might add. Since much of it comes from the 'usual suspects' and is the essentially the same assertions repeated ad nauseum the venom of the comments has tended to lose their initial impact all those months ago, especially when they often no longer reflect the state of the game now. Well the capacity for people to fixate on a single issue, and the internet's ability to facilitate this amazes me. At times the comments have left me feeling sad but I've never felt compelled to comment until now.
Regarding my own contribution to the game there's much I'm proud of and also much I'd certainly do differently if I had the chance. Equally, I'd readily admit that there were many good elements that whole team can be proud of, and a fair number of 'not-so-great' critical desicisions made during the course of development and ultimately the launch, and the immediate post-launch period of the game - decisions within management, marketing and other teams for instance that someone like me may have a personal opinion about but had no control or influence over their outcome.
What I can say is that the team is very commited to listening to the players, to addressing the issues and deficiencies - and I'm sure any fair-minded person here would agree that the game has improved leaps and bounds and will continue to do so. Clearly there are clear business imperatives for Funcm to improve the game but as developers we are very much motivated by pride and above all else, for the sake of those who pay and play. I personally take a lot of pride in my work even if I'm not always happy with the outcome - but then I learn form my mistakes (I hope) and I strive to improve. Many of the team have invested a lot into this game. Some have young familes they've spend days, weeks, and months barely seeing, others have come from the far side of the globe and have worked on the game for years, far from families and home.
I'm not saying any of this to garner any sympathy - I'm certainly not asking for it. After all, we who work here choose to pursue this line of work with all it's vagrancies and uncertainties. I'm simply saying this in the hope that people will engage something other than their angry internet forum persona when anonymously posting. Whatever your beef with AoC or Funcom, it's pretty disturbing and in poor taste to gleefully wish for Funcom's demise along with the loss of my job among many others. Why, especially given these difficult times would you want me to lose my job? Like many people I go to work, I do the best I can, and often work extra hours to get the job done to my satisfaction and in the hope that someone might stop and notice what I've made. If they also then all the better. And like many of you I also have personal and financial commitments.
Why too would you want the demise of a game simply because you don't like it? There are people that do and surely, it's ok for people to like different things - different strokes. While it's absolutely fair to post your criticisms and critiques, surely it's taking it too far when you feel that people should stop playing simply because you say so? I'm sure, behind the anonymity of your internet personas, that you're far better than all of this.
Back to working on material for upcoming patches and the expansion. I won't say anymore than that.
Peace.

EDIT spelling

Thanks for taking the time to put your thoughts down. The thing is 6 out of the 7 people that posted after yourself are only herefor one reason. No real interest in the game apart from a destructive one.

Many resent the changes we are seeing as paid subscribers coming through in a tangible way.

They also resent the ability to know when to let go, which of course is there opinion but a very small shared one here. Yep there are some genuine people and then those from which you swore you spoke to them before under different monikors.

Just so you know atmogat there are plenty of people paying and enjoying the game you help make and are grateful for that. Those that are truly interested in the game can see the difference to those that don't which is one reason of comparison for your "wide of the mark" comment. Many readers know the true difference and can pick out those types of misinformed people a mile off. It's these same types of people who think I am quoting myself at the moment

Keep up the good work.

For a skeptical guy avery when it involves the so called haters--you are really are quick to accept his post as solid evidence that he is who he says he is? Why?

As for the (alleged) artist--well what can I tell you, unfortunately because of FC's shady methods (and the fanatics) and some of the posts with various people pleading for the "families" of FC employees (some just today as a matter of fact) I find this hard to believe. Im willing to bet you aren't who you say you are.

However -I`ll play along and pretend it is real.

But back to the question I asked Avery--Why?

If you think that people have just randomly chose to up rise against FC, that is simply not the case. It wasn't random, and no customers don't forgive and forget. Ask anybody who lost their job at General Motors. Sure people feel bad--but would you buy their cars...umm no, i need reliability is the most common answer. People don't do business with companies that can't provide a reasonable product. However FC did much more than not provide a reasonable product--they lied, lured, baited, switched, and did it with no remorse at the time (Oh Im sure they are sorry now). You talk about the internet being some kind of safe haven for ones persona, well let me tell you, FC would never get away with their antics if it wasn't for the safety of the internet, but because players have to sign a electronic piece of paper that says you can do (as a company) whatever you feel like---it's okay. So everybody gets hosed and FC exploits that agreement. But not this time, and I believe that goes for all companies these days, and it's because of the free flow of information on the internet. Without it, you would never have a job in the first place.

Not that this is in the same league (of crime) but a company called Enron tried to fix the market in the USA, a lot of innocent people became unemployed because of that too, people who had no idea what was going on til the cops came in and sieged everything, the difference seems to be--you know quite well what FC did. Im sorry but that's life and doesn't change my stand on FC one bit. If you are who you say you are, (and I doubt it) as an artist for AoC (the one aspect we can all agree does deliver less the DX10 factor) Im sure you would have no problem finding work at the very least as a commercial artist. However there is a saying that fits the occasion, one you should think about. it goes, "You lie with the dogs, you sleep with the dogs." That means you are only worth the company you keep, if your friends are all bad people, you will be guilty by association. As an artist--and I`ve known a few, unemployment shouldn t scare people in your occupation especially if you have enough talent to work on AoC.

BTW: Wasn`t it just 2 weeks ago someone posted that FC was HIRING artists

I would say nice try---but it really wasn t

You see you failing to take into account the other side of the coin where people share the same point of view as I do. I am in one guild that has increased it's numbers since launch that is playing on a server that has many guilds in the same position. I have a friends list full of people that have been playing with me since release and well beforehand. I can respect your stance and I can understand it, but you can never seem to reciprocate.

As for the authenticity of atmogat, lets just say I am a good judge of character and that instinct has never let me down in life. I can also relate to what he says here and it share exactly the same sentiments I read every day on the test server. ( About how the team is committed, proudness, admittance things are not perfect, genuine intent to make things better (which can be measured and seen in my opinion) )

Again the atmogat brings another point of view across, which is so easily readily dismissed by those that don't have the games best interest at heart. Basically as it goes against their opinion, and thats ok, and can understand that. But the pure knockdowns aren't even funny or good. Funcom is trying it's best to retain and improve and they are doing a good job in doing so currently. They are out for a profit and it is a long road to get there. Intentions of the company and staff are well placed and again most easily measurable positively as of late.

It's really a shame FC chooses to move on through deceptive means. No honesty. Good or bad intentions, the only way is through deception.

As a very good friend of mine observed:

"Anything to convince the general population they are doing whatever they can".

Crashloop · February 2009

Originally posted by octa

atmogat, your post is all about garnering sympathy. Unfortunately, I don't have any for you or your company. I'm sorry that you may lose your job and I don't wish any ill will towards you personally but the company you work for should be held accountable for those bad decisions you alluded to. I've yet to see any kind of sincere apology from the mouth pieces over there. In fact I see Erling continually attempt to re-write the facts of the game's disastrous launch and post launch.
Funcom had the best possible marketing campaign a game quite possibly ever have had, the only error they did was not being able to back up the hype with a game that delivered the promised good. the stuff they promised was ingame, problem is mounted combat isn't really awesome or useful at all, but it is there and can be used if you feel like giving the opponent a advantage. Sieging was also there at launch, however it didn't really work either. If anyone had tried taking Funcom to a court of law over these promises they would have lost as the things was actually ingame. We all agree they didn't work as hoped or promised. The launch if you look at uptime on the servers was one of the successful regarding to technical issues. The game the first month did perform nicely, but soon the OOM problems started to arrive. Funcom did have a good launch, they just totally failed in keeping things on track the first months.
Stealing my money to put bread on your table is unethical anyway you look at it. That is what your company is. An unethical business willing to abuse and cheat paying customers. I wouldn't be half as angry if you guys didn't already rip me off with Anarchy Online. You fooled me twice, and I will be damned if I'm going to keep quiet about that.
So the reality of the situation is your game was not ready for launch but you made the decision to move forward any way. You made your bed and now you have to lie in it. If your bankruptcy can be held up as a just example of consumer rights then I can't wait to see it proven.

Funcom did not steal your money, you did by your own free will pay for the game. They did not force you, or they did not actively steal your wallet and bought the game for you. You based the purchase on what you heard about the game, and that doesn't qualify as stealing. Stealing would be if they took your money and you got nothing for it. Funcom going bankrupt wouldn't help customer rights at all, if you think that by funcom going bankrupt it would mean customer rights got stronger then you are illusional. Funcom is not the first company to promise a awesome game and then fail to deliver, and they won't be the last. Look at EA Mythic, you would think after the AoC launch they should have learnt? Yet they pulled off nearly the same stunt with a unfinished game that drove away majority of the playerbase just as fast as AoC did. For the money you bought AoC with you did get a copy of the game, hence you did get the product, it wasn't the product that was advertised in the way of things working as intended. but the things they promised was ingame, they just needs to be fixed properly. The fact that you are pissed off still and wants "revenge" makes you look like a sad person, we have all bought products at times that was horrible, that made us feel like idiots for buying them. I have done it myself, but at the end of the day you can hate a company as much as you like. It doesn't help, trust me I hated SOE after what they did to SWG, but after some time I got tired of bashing SOE all the time. it doesn't help, it doesn't make you a better person then the rest.

Funcom's launch and the way the management handled it in the beginning is a perfect example of how to not do things and Funcom got punished for it by loosing subscribers. If they had broken any laws and people could have pressed charges against them you would have see law suits coming, yet the ones on the forums who talked about pressing charges never did so. They never made the threats real as both they and the lawyers knew deep inside they don't have a case they will win.
When you rush a poorly developed game out for launch once, it's an unfortunate turn of events caused by outside pressures. When you do it twice it's a business practice. I have no sympathy for thieves.
I will never forget, I will never forgive.
We should never forget that is right, as history can teach us valuble things, but just because the Nazi's in WW2 killed millions of jews we should keep hating the Germans today? Or should we hate the actual persons responsible for what Germany did? The average German didn't know what was going on, and the average developer in any MMO company can't be blamed for the errors that management did either. But if you want to continue your customer right against Funcom I guess I can only hope you realize how futile it is in the end.

AmazingAvery · February 2009

Originally posted by silkworm

It's really a shame FC chooses to move on through deceptive means. No honesty. Good or bad intentions, the only way is through deception.
As a very good friend of mine observed:

"Anything to convince the general population they are doing whatever they can".

What do you think that picture really does for me mate? It tells me you have a fascination with me off this site.

qbangy32 · February 2009

Originally posted by atmogat

Ok first up. I'm a graphic artist at Funcom in Oslo and have worked on AoC.
Many of you seem to spend an unhealthy inordinant amount of time fixated with this game - creating and disseminating negative speculation about the state of affairs at Funcom - much of it so wide of the mark I might add. Since much of it comes from the 'usual suspects' and is the essentially the same assertions repeated ad nauseum the venom of the comments has tended to lose their initial impact all those months ago, especially when they often no longer reflect the state of the game now. Well the capacity for people to fixate on a single issue, and the internet's ability to facilitate this amazes me. At times the comments have left me feeling sad but I've never felt compelled to comment until now.
Regarding my own contribution to the game there's much I'm proud of and also much I'd certainly do differently if I had the chance. Equally, I'd readily admit that there were many good elements that whole team can be proud of, and a fair number of 'not-so-great' critical desicisions made during the course of development and ultimately the launch, and the immediate post-launch period of the game - decisions within management, marketing and other teams for instance that someone like me may have a personal opinion about but had no control or influence over their outcome.
What I can say is that the team is very commited to listening to the players, to addressing the issues and deficiencies - and I'm sure any fair-minded person here would agree that the game has improved leaps and bounds and will continue to do so. Clearly there are clear business imperatives for Funcm to improve the game but as developers we are very much motivated by pride and above all else, for the sake of those who pay and play. I personally take a lot of pride in my work even if I'm not always happy with the outcome - but then I learn form my mistakes (I hope) and I strive to improve. Many of the team have invested a lot into this game. Some have young familes they've spend days, weeks, and months barely seeing, others have come from the far side of the globe and have worked on the game for years, far from families and home.
I'm not saying any of this to garner any sympathy - I'm certainly not asking for it. After all, we who work here choose to pursue this line of work with all it's vagrancies and uncertainties. I'm simply saying this in the hope that people will engage something other than their angry internet forum persona when anonymously posting. Whatever your beef with AoC or Funcom, it's pretty disturbing and in poor taste to gleefully wish for Funcom's demise along with the loss of my job among many others. Why, especially given these difficult times would you want me to lose my job? Like many people I go to work, I do the best I can, and often work extra hours to get the job done to my satisfaction and in the hope that someone might stop and notice what I've made. If they also then all the better. And like many of you I also have personal and financial commitments.
Why too would you want the demise of a game simply because you don't like it? There are people that do and surely, it's ok for people to like different things - different strokes. While it's absolutely fair to post your criticisms and critiques, surely it's taking it too far when you feel that people should stop playing simply because you say so? I'm sure, behind the anonymity of your internet personas, that you're far better than all of this.
Back to working on material for upcoming patches and the expansion. I won't say anymore than that.
Peace.

EDIT spelling

A good post on a very poor thread.

Unfortunately your words will be twisted and manipulated to suit the needs of those that only seek to do harm, as a returning player (only resubscribed yesterday) I am only interested in what the game has to offer me after all the changes, not the inner workings of the company, that's for the sad individuals on this and any website that sit in their bedsit trying to make themselves feel self-important with their inane drivel.

The game is what is important, I'll admit I was following this game for 2 years and had been planning along with my guild to form a very healthy community that would participate heavily in the siege warfare, sadly the game was lacking in that area and my 2 years planning went down the toilet along with my enthusiasm for the game and subscription, however I didn't feel the need to spout venom like so many others do here about that experience, it's all part of taking a chance on a new MMO, some will grab you and not let go while others are something to revisit later down the line and that's what I'm doing right now, restarting the whole experience again and hoping that the changes that have been made are in a positive direction.

I am no Fanboi, I'm just your average player looking for some online entertainment, if AoC is able to provide that then yes I'll stay put but if I've got to fight through bugs and missing content then I'll be off again, can't say fairer than that.

silkworm · February 2009

Originally posted by AmazingAvery

Originally posted by silkworm

It's really a shame FC chooses to move on through deceptive means. No honesty. Good or bad intentions, the only way is through deception.
As a very good friend of mine observed:

"Anything to convince the general population they are doing whatever they can".

What do you think that picture really does for me mate? It tells me you have a fascination with me off this site.

I always have a fascination with correspondents who seriously question my intelligence.

Please don't let my inconsiderate words draw your almost motherly attention off the poor artist.

finaticd · February 2009

Originally posted by Blackwell99

If you think that people have just randomly chose to up rise against FC, that is simply not the case. It wasn't random, and no customers don't forgive and forget. Ask anybody who lost their job at General Motors. Sure people feel bad--but would you buy their cars...umm no, i need reliability is the most common answer. People don't do business with companies that can't provide a reasonable product. However FC did much more than not provide a reasonable product--they lied, lured, baited, switched, and did it with no remorse at the time (Oh Im sure they are sorry now). You talk about the internet being some kind of safe haven for ones persona, well let me tell you, FC would never get away with their antics if it wasn't for the safety of the internet, but because players have to sign a electronic piece of paper that says you can do (as a company) whatever you feel like---it's okay. So everybody gets hosed and FC exploits that agreement. But not this time, and I believe that goes for all companies these days, and it's because of the free flow of information on the internet. Without it, you would never have a job in the first place.

BTW: Wasn`t it just 2 weeks ago someone posted that FC was HIRING artists
I would say nice try---but it really wasn t

That's what I was trying to say, about capitalism Vs. socialism, I'm upset that we are bailing out bad companies over here because our last two presidents thought it would be good PR. IMO if a product or service is bad the market should correct it, that's capitalism.

AmazingAvery · February 2009

Originally posted by silkworm

I always have a fascination with correspondents who seriously question my intelligence.
Please don't let my inconsiderate words draw your almost motherly attention off the poor artist.

Having such decent intelligence as a fellow like yourself has, one would think that any questioning of it would be futile to begin with and not worth the time of day, right? Unless your under the impression the picture is irrefutable to that?

I am still trying to understand the relevance that your trying to put across with that picture to myself as you did quote me did you not? Maybe the issue is with the way you put it across (for a second time I might add) after the first failure that happened. (Post number 425 )

The proof will be in the pudding as it is right now in other forms out there.

SinReaper · February 2009

Originally posted by atmogat

Ok first up. I'm a graphic artist at Funcom in Oslo and have worked on AoC.
At times the comments have left me feeling sad but I've never felt compelled to comment until now.

I think if you feel compelled to address the AoC community on the negative impressions that your current and former subscriber base have towards your company, you should respect this community enough not to present your case anonymously.

If you did so because of the potential retribution your company would have with you posting as a company representative; then you lack the good judgment to respect your management or your company's policies on communications to the public that do not follow established channels.

With that said, I don't feel that people need to care one iota about you, your personal life; that of your co-workers or your personal thoughts on what they think. They, like I do; pay a subscription fee for a service and expect that service to meet basic criterion.

What you feel your team has achieved is outweighed by what for some, is the undeniable negative impression you have left with hundreds of thousands of individuals. Hundreds of thousands, who while may have appreciated your role in the process; could not appreciate itenough to ov erlook their disappointment with your retail product.

You're a graphic artist and I respect that, but you're no communications or marketing professional. If you were, you'd realize that breaking rank and posting items like this serve only to disenfranchise the very peopleyou would want to not alienate, or diminish thier viewpoints.

You'd realize that posting an item like this on a high traffic site on the day that your company faced unflattering commentary and scrutiny from investors and players alike; only helps reinforce and polarize the community you're addressing.

It also speaks to the state of morale within your team; as individuals that feel valued by their management and secure within their positions do not take the time to create a profile on an mmo website and address the community without their management's official blessing because they feel said community doesn't appreciate/respect them enough.

Contrary to what many would postulate, there is no "bashing" or dedicating of lives to hating on you or this title; what you're seeing is what we all do to varying degrees, every day, about the negative experiences we have and share with others whenever the opportunity presents itself. The difference with forums like this is that this feedback is consolidated and permanent; in a fairly static community of gamers that visit this particular forum to express their thoughts, for the world to see as they share their experiences with a worldwide community.

This group of people that you feel don't appreciate what you've done IS the customer base, past present and future; and you would do well to take a page from Glen when it comes to community management. While I don't like much of his particular approach to community management, I recognize that he is smart enough to always be sure he speaks as a unified front in the best interests of Funcom. He does it by the book, with management oversight and through official channels.

You on the other hand, are neither an official CM nor one of the regular members of the team we interact with on the forums. Perhaps it's due to not having a voice on the forums that you've chosen this outlet to not address the community that currently supports you, but instead chose to vent on the very people the company alienated in the first place.

One last item.

As someone who's subscription fee in some part pays for your salary and the salary of your co-workers, I find it a little disrespectful of you to not have the basic courtesy of letting me or this community know the name of the person so quick to tell this community what perspective we should have with the money and time we invest in this company's services.

Considering the current state of your company, I'd recommend that you leave the commentary and musings to this community and leave the position of Funcom communications to Glen and his colleagues.

They are all professionals who's work is completely undermined when some employee gets it in their head to speak or act without approval and further engage and alienate a customer base they are working hard to maintain and build on.

**Note**

This response is specific to this particular poster. I won't read or reply to commentary in response to this post as there is no exchange here, just a statement directed at today's news item on this topic; and the respondent who decided to represent Funcom in an unofficial capacity.

-Sin

Jackdog · February 2009

One would think that after 7 or 8 months of declining population someone at the head office would realize that all the internet "spin" and hype will not help the game or increase population and the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience . Fanboy "everyone who posts negative is just a troll" and obvious "i just bought the game and it is awesome" posts simply insult the intelligence of the community.

Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience and let the real fans, not the paid ones, get the word out.

Darkjinxter · February 2009

@ Atmogat

Well done for having the guts to post here lad. I for one salute you graphics guys for the sterling work you've done bringing Hyboria to life. I won't hold GFX people responsible for FC's failings in either gameplay, marketting or customer service.

However, you must appreciate those failings are there in abundance and there will always be posts about them.

I have re-subbed this morning for one last look, and maybe a last push to get my lvl 72 reaver up to lvl 80 and try out the new dungeons. I'm sure they will look good if nothing else.

VultureSkull · February 2009

Originally posted by Jackdog

One would think that after 7 or 8 months of declining population someone at the head office would realize that all the internet "spin" and hype will not help the game or increase population and the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience . Fanboy "everyone who posts negative is just a troll" and obvious "i just bought the game and it is awesome" posts simply insult the intelligence of the community.
Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience and let the real fans, not the paid ones, get the word out.

And you, are you a real fan? How would you describe yourself?

" the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience "

"Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience "

From the above statements, you believe that Funcom are either not attempting to improve the game experience or they are destroying the game experience, do you, in all honestly believe that this is true?

Since you have already written these statements, i will not wait for your answer and take them as your opinion.

These statements are false, everyone and their dog knows this, i was just wondering what your agenda is, by actually writing these lies on a public forum?

Is it to prevent people from buying the game?

I assume you have played the game once, when was the last time you logged on, as from your opinions highlighted above you are extremely out of date?

Jackdog · February 2009

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Jackdog

One would think that after 7 or 8 months of declining population someone at the head office would realize that all the internet "spin" and hype will not help the game or increase population and the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience . Fanboy "everyone who posts negative is just a troll" and obvious "i just bought the game and it is awesome" posts simply insult the intelligence of the community.
Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience and let the real fans, not the paid ones, get the word out.

And you, are you a real fan? How would you describe yourself?

as a fan of the genre

" the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience "

"Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience "

From the above statements, you believe that Funcom are either not attempting to improve the game experience or they are destroying the game experience, do you, in all honestly believe that this is true?

the statement was meant as it was written, nothing more nothing less. If the game is to have a chance of surviving more people actually playing will need to feel it is fun. The time for hype and viral advertising is long gone. It sold a lot of copies at release but does little or nothing for long term subscriptions which is what FC needs.

Since you have already written these statements, i will not wait for your answer and take them as your opinion.

These statements are false, everyone and their dog knows this, i was just wondering what your agenda is, by actually writing these lies on a public forum?

Is it to prevent people from buying the game?

No one is buying the game already. You can't even find the damn thing on a store shelf anymore. As I said box sales cannot save the game anyway, only long term subscriptions can. Only chance FC has now is to redeem thermselves with customers who bought and canceled for one reason or the other.

I assume you have played the game once, when was the last time you logged on, as from your opinions highlighted above you are extremely out of date?

I played at release for two weeks and canceled over piss poor CS and boredom after the Tortage experiance. Resubbed in January, last played a little over a week ago just before I canceled my subscription for the second time.

VultureSkull · February 2009

Originally posted by Jackdog

Originally posted by VultureSkull

Originally posted by Jackdog

One would think that after 7 or 8 months of declining population someone at the head office would realize that all the internet "spin" and hype will not help the game or increase population and the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience . Fanboy "everyone who posts negative is just a troll" and obvious "i just bought the game and it is awesome" posts simply insult the intelligence of the community.
Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience and let the real fans, not the paid ones, get the word out.

And you, are you a real fan? How would you describe yourself?

as a fan of the genre

For a fan of the genre you are doing a pretty good job of attempting to kill it

" the only thing that can accomplish that is actually improving the game experience "

"Hint to Funcom- you want to save the game? improve the experience "

From the above statements, you believe that Funcom are either not attempting to improve the game experience or they are destroying the game experience, do you, in all honestly believe that this is true?

the statement was meant as it was written, nothing more nothing less. If the game is to have a chance of surviving more people actually playing will need to feel it is fun. The time for hype and viral advertising is long gone. It sold a lot of copies at release but does little or nothing for long term subscriptions which is what FC needs.

You have failed to answer the question, Do you honestly believe that FUNCOM is NOT improving the game???????

Since you have already written these statements, i will not wait for your answer and take them as your opinion.

These statements are false, everyone and their dog knows this, i was just wondering what your agenda is, by actually writing these lies on a public forum?

Is it to prevent people from buying the game?

No one is buying the game already. You can't even find the damn thing on a store shelf anymore. As I said box sales cannot save the game anyway, only long term subscriptions can. Only chance FC has now is to redeem thermselves with customers who bought and canceled for one reason or the other.

Ofc you can buy the game, either on the shelf or on line, however you still fail to answer the essence of the question, what is you Agenda? To re-phase the question to your liking, is it to attempt to stop people subscribing?

I assume you have played the game once, when was the last time you logged on, as from your opinions highlighted above you are extremely out of date?

I played at release for two weeks and canceled over piss poor CS and boredom after the Tortage experiance. Resubbed in January, last played a little over a week ago just before I canceled my subscription for the second time.

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Well if you played the game in January you most have seen the improvements made, so this makes your statements high lighted above false, and since you dont want to let us know your agenda i suspect it must be a personal vendetta.

Although you say you are a fan of the genre it looks like you would be more suited to a single player game not an MMO, as the Tortage experience is mainly a single player game, the reminder of the game is exactly like any other MMO on the market, so if your are bored here you will be bored in any MMO

Blackwell99 · February 2009

You see you failing to take into account the other side of the coin where people share the same point of view as I do. I am in one guild that has increased it's numbers since launch that is playing on a server that has many guilds in the same position.Going by yesterday's information-I'm sorry but i find that very difficult to believe I have a friends list full of people that have been playing with me since release and well beforehand. I can respect your stance and I can understand it, but you can never seem to reciprocate. Not true, just yesterday I told draughtnot in this very thread that at "least you and OE try to make compelling counter arguments"
As for the authenticity of atmogat, lets just say I am a good judge of character and that instinct has never let me down in life Save for the chicks please--that isn't good enough. I can also relate to what he says here and it share exactly the same sentiments I read every day on the test server. ( About how the team is committed, proudness, admittance things are not perfect, genuine intent to make things better Well what else could they say-corporate responses are always the same--atmogat's post could have been wrote by anybody, if it was a person of authority saying the opposite you'd be the first to dismiss it, everybody knows that. (which can be measured and seen in my opinion) )
Again the atmogat brings another point of view across, which is so easily readily dismissed by those that don't have the games best interest at heart. We are the customers, they are the company-why would a customer have the companies best interest at heart? They are paid to have our interests at heart and they proved to take advantage of that. Basically as it goes against their opinion, it's not an opinion-they did what they did and thats ok, and can understand that. But the pure knockdowns aren't even funny or good I don't think angry cheated customers care if it's good, it's not meant to be.. Funcom is trying it's best to retain and improve and they are doing a good job in doing so currently I disagree. They are out for a profit and it is a long road to get there. Intentions of the company and staff are well placed and again most easily measurable positively as of late.By whom? Using what as a yard stick?
I really do try to see thing from your side, but sometimes I think perhaps you bought some FC shares that went belly-up, or you are Criag's son--or something. An angry customer I can understand, but defending this company to the extent that you do (to the point of desperation) leaves me and many others asking questions about your role with FC and your motives-because the game just isn't that great by even the subscribers standards. You seem smart enough to know the difference between a good game and a bad game; a good company verses a bad company, you've read the same articles, you've seen the same reports, you saw 1.4 fall flat on it's face---I don't get it? But I guess don't have to--all I know is I wouldn't want your job, self appointed or not

Jackdog · February 2009

Well if you played the game in January you most have seen the improvements made, so this makes your statements high lighted above false, and since you dont want to let us know your agenda i suspect it must be a personal vendetta.
Although you say you are a fan of the genre it looks like you would be more suited to a single player game not an MMO, as the Tortage experience is mainly a single player game, the reminder of the game is exactly like any other MMO on the market, so if your are bored here you will be bored in any MMO

where in my original post did I ever say they were not improving the game. All I am saying is that viral advertising and over hyping won't do a damn thing to help them. All the over hyping and BS fanboy posting so far has led to a dismal 4th quarter report. Sorry if this hits too close to home for you.

VultureSkull · February 2009

Originally posted by Jackdog

Well if you played the game in January you most have seen the improvements made, so this makes your statements high lighted above false, and since you dont want to let us know your agenda i suspect it must be a personal vendetta.
Although you say you are a fan of the genre it looks like you would be more suited to a single player game not an MMO, as the Tortage experience is mainly a single player game, the reminder of the game is exactly like any other MMO on the market, so if your are bored here you will be bored in any MMO

where in my original post did I ever say they were not improving the game. All I am saying is that viral advertising and over hyping won't do a damn thing to help them. All the over hyping and BS fanboy posting so far has led to a dismal 4th quarter report. Sorry if this hits too close to home for you.

Dear readers,

When you actually take a troll to task they crumble, it is easy for any dim wit to come here and spout nonsense, but when asked them to back up what they say they cannot.

JackDog, i suggest you go back and read what you have written, i highlighted it in blue. You wrote it not me.

Hyping a game only happens before a game is released my friend, there are 1000s of reviews out about aoc for any potential buyer/subscriber to check out, i suggest that you move on now that your shallow opinions have been found not to hold water!

Hamrtime2 · February 2009

Originally posted by VultureSkull
Originally posted by Jackdog

Well if you played the game in January you most have seen the improvements made, so this makes your statements high lighted above false, and since you dont want to let us know your agenda i suspect it must be a personal vendetta.
Although you say you are a fan of the genre it looks like you would be more suited to a single player game not an MMO, as the Tortage experience is mainly a single player game, the reminder of the game is exactly like any other MMO on the market, so if your are bored here you will be bored in any MMO

where in my original post did I ever say they were not improving the game. All I am saying is that viral advertising and over hyping won't do a damn thing to help them. All the over hyping and BS fanboy posting so far has led to a dismal 4th quarter report. Sorry if this hits too close to home for you.

Dear readers,
When you actually take a troll to task they crumble, it is easy for any dim wit to come here and spout nonsense, but when asked them to back up what they say they cannot.
JackDog, i suggest you go back and read what you have written, i highlighted it in blue. You wrote it not me.
Hyping a game only happens before a game is released my friend, there are 1000s of reviews out about aoc for any potential buyer/subscriber to check out, i suggest that you move on now that your shallow opinions have been found not to hold water!

I cant find the comment that JD said they werent improving the game. From what I see it says it needs to be improved. Big difference.

As far as AoC goes I think its time to stick a fork in it. With the debt Funcom has, it wont be long before they go bankrupt.

Crashloop · February 2009

Originally posted by Hamrtime2

I cant find the comment that JD said they werent improving the game. From what I see it says it needs to be improved. Big difference.

As far as AoC goes I think its time to stick a fork in it. With the debt Funcom has, it wont be long before they go bankrupt.

And exactly what debts are these? I ain't looking up in the q4 report, that you can do to show me these horrible debts that will force thekm to go bankrupt soon.

Ofc if you can't do this and put some facts on your statements which would be a first I'll dismiss this yet another failed troll attempt

Hamrtime2 · February 2009

Originally posted by Crashloop
Originally posted by Hamrtime2

I cant find the comment that JD said they werent improving the game. From what I see it says it needs to be improved. Big difference.
As far as AoC goes I think its time to stick a fork in it. With the debt Funcom has, it wont be long before they go bankrupt.

And exactly what debts are these? I ain't looking up in the q4 report, that you can do to show me these horrible debts that will force thekm to go bankrupt soon.

Ofc if you can't do this and put some facts on your statements which would be a first I'll dismiss this yet another failed troll attempt

I do believe they have a debt of around 20 million u.s. I will see if I can find the link that shows the exact ammount.

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