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Main site is like two years old. Account admin page is up, but they've made it appear to be down. Forums are down. Quite a few of the pre-order accounts are down. There's no other place to acquire the game. There are apparently quite a few stability and patching issues.
And you guys all paid money for this, right? Usually when you pay a company for something, you enter an AGREEMENT with them, both sides have obligations to uphold. Aventurine is not upholding their obligations, and has essentially cut off all official communication. It has even stifled criticism by deactivating the forums.
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I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
QQ more plz
He's mad cause he didn't get in
DF Hater turned fan 26/02/09
I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
So let me get this straight here. You two would rather have an updated website before a stable game? Trolls are just getting worse and worse... Adventurine consists of about 30 people, all probably working like crazy right now to get the GAME working properly. You people amaze me.
EXACTLY! They are a new and small company and this is their first release. They have been working on a limited budget and have been focusing on fixing the game rather than appeasing the general public. They were smart to do a limited release because they had no idea what to expect.
i just dont comprehend why they wouldnt be hiring more people and expanding their infrastructure as quickly as possible.
they've got the moeny now, they need to account for the growth of the game.
Its rare when a company witha hot product manages to fail to get their product to market like AV has
Because they want to do it as best they can. Expanding now, when they are clearly running around with their heads cut off trying to figure out which way is up, would be just a terrible idea. They don't want to happen to them what happened to warhammer, which was release a ton of servers to support the initial launch and then have to go through madness trying to get everyone onto fewer servers because the demand fell off.
They could just go for the money right now, but I think they want to make a good and lasting product. While it is a mess and there is no guarantee that they will reach that goal, I am happy they are doing it this way rather just expanding like crazy with a crappy product.
The size of the company has nothing to do with the quality of service or their product; they chose to sell the game at a premium price, in doing so they have to be able to compete with other premium games vendors at all levels of business. Anything else is a copout and a very poor excuse, their shutting down all forms of communication is childish; rather than deal with their paying customers they shut them out and leave them in the dark, their last update was 8 hours ago. Regardless of the size of the company it only takes one employee 10 minutes or so to write a quick update, in this respect Aventurine deserve all the negative criticism directed at them.
As you pointed out they chose a limited release as they are out of their depth, but even that is coming down around their ears and their response leaves a lot to be desired. God knows what we can expect once their title goes on general sale and they are dealing with hundreds of thousands of accounts instead of just thousands.
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Regards Hexcaliber
The size of the company has nothing to do with the quality of service or their product; they chose to sell the game at a premium price, in doing so they have to be able to compete with other premium games vendors at all levels of business. Anything else is a copout and a very poor excuse, their shutting down all forms of communication is childish; rather than deal with their paying customers they shut them out and leave them in the dark, their last update was 8 hours ago. Regardless of the size of the company it only takes one employee 10 minutes or so to write a quick update, in this respect Aventurine deserve all the negative criticism directed at them.
As you pointed out they chose a limited release as they are out of their depth, but even that is coming down around their ears and their response leaves a lot to be desired. God knows what we can expect once their title goes on general sale and they are dealing with hundreds of thousands of accounts instead of just thousands.
Sure it has to do with the quality of service. If they are focusing on making the game as best as they can and they have limited money then putting those resources towards developing the game is a far better proposition for the long run than making sure the forum whiners are appeased.
I understand people are also having billing issues, which they have addressed. The forums are shut down not because they don't want people to talk, but because they have been so flooded that they don't work. They were timing out like crazy most of yesterday.
So sure they could pull people off of developing/fixing the game to upgrade their server capacity or say again that they are doing everything they can to get the orders through and that they are working on flushing out bugs. . . but what's the point?
Everyone who has been following the game, even if it is only very peripherally, should know by now that this is the way things are done there.
The fact of the matter is that if you don't like the way they are doing it and you are offended by it, don't purchase the game. That is the best way to vote your opinion on this. All of this "zomg! I can't BELIEVE this!" on the forums is way more childish than anything they have done.
EXACTLY! They are a new and small company and this is their first release. They have been working on a limited budget and have been focusing on fixing the game rather than appeasing the general public. They were smart to do a limited release because they had no idea what to expect.
Well if they had setup pre orders oh a couple months ago then they would have had a very good idea of how many people would be playing they game.
Oh I don't know, maybe it's the fact that they've only been receiving money for their product for a little over 24 hours now...
It takes time (CRAZY I KNOW) to hire people and build your infrastructure.
You nerds need to just chill out and go do something instead of whining all day that this game is failure. Give it a week or two to stabilize and all will be good, you fucking pansies.
I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
So let me get this straight here. You two would rather have an updated website before a stable game? Trolls are just getting worse and worse... Adventurine consists of about 30 people, all probably working like crazy right now to get the GAME working properly. You people amaze me.
gosh you're a silly little fanboy aren't you? do you honestly think it takes a developer to update the website? hell, you wouldn't even need to be staff to update that site. anyone who's been following the game for more than a couple years would be more than capable.
something's amiss here, fellas. it's one thing to have a shakey release with a bunch of crashes and server errors and billing problems (to be fair - server errors should have been resolved in beta, and billing issues should have been tested and ironed out MONTHS if not YEARS ago)
BUT, it's something else entirely to make it seem like you dont even give a crap whether your game fails or succeeds. I mean cmon guys:
for the record, i was in beta, and have been following this game since 04.
mainsite is 5 years old:P
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
EXACTLY! They are a new and small company and this is their first release. They have been working on a limited budget and have been focusing on fixing the game rather than appeasing the general public. They were smart to do a limited release because they had no idea what to expect.
Well if they had setup pre orders oh a couple months ago then they would have had a very good idea of how many people would be playing they game.
Why bother? They knew long ago that demand was going to far exceed what they were going to initially supply.
I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
So let me get this straight here. You two would rather have an updated website before a stable game? Trolls are just getting worse and worse... Adventurine consists of about 30 people, all probably working like crazy right now to get the GAME working properly. You people amaze me.
gosh you're a silly little fanboy aren't you? do you honestly think it takes a developer to update the website? hell, you wouldn't even need to be staff to update that site. anyone who's been following the game for more than a couple years would be more than capable.
Not a fan boy by any means. I have not even ordered or played the game in beta yet. I'm simply just quite sick of people bashing a company with (Up until yesterday) little to no money. And with 30 people on staff I'm sure they are all working on the game (Yes that's right, even tasos) And now that they actually have money, they may start hiring more help. Only time will tell.
EXACTLY! They are a new and small company and this is their first release. They have been working on a limited budget and have been focusing on fixing the game rather than appeasing the general public. They were smart to do a limited release because they had no idea what to expect.
Well if they had setup pre orders oh a couple months ago then they would have had a very good idea of how many people would be playing they game.
Why bother? They knew long ago that demand was going to far exceed what they were going to initially supply.
Then they should have found a way to meet the demand, get investors or a publisher that could have given them capital they needed. So they could have the funding to open extra servers as needed, hire the proper people to handle billing.
And this small indepentent company is charging the same price for there game as other MMO's, the differance being when people were unable to login during WoW or SWG launch, you knew the company's behind the scene had the capital to buy new servers to handle the load, Adventurine does not seem to have this ability.
Don't get me wrong I hope DF does well, but there is more to making an MMO then just making a game as Adventurine is finding out the hard way.
EXACTLY! They are a new and small company and this is their first release. They have been working on a limited budget and have been focusing on fixing the game rather than appeasing the general public. They were smart to do a limited release because they had no idea what to expect.
Well if they had setup pre orders oh a couple months ago then they would have had a very good idea of how many people would be playing they game.
Why bother? They knew long ago that demand was going to far exceed what they were going to initially supply.
Then they should have found a way to meet the demand, get investors or a publisher that could have given them capital they needed. So they could have the funding to open extra servers as needed, hire the proper people to handle billing.
And this small indepentent company is charging the same price for there game as other MMO's, the differance being when people were unable to login during WoW or SWG launch, you knew the company's behind the scene had the capital to buy new servers to handle the load, Adventurine does not seem to have this ability.
Don't get me wrong I hope DF does well, but there is more to making an MMO then just making a game as Adventurine is finding out the hard way.
I'll give you the billing, but I am glad that they aren't making the same mistake warhammer made and open up enough servers to meet initial demand and then have to scale back as people leave the game, which will inevitably happen.
The latter paragraph is exactly what I am talking about. They are taking it slow. . . if they were to release a number of worlds and handle MORE accounts it would only have made it harder.
I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
So let me get this straight here. You two would rather have an updated website before a stable game? Trolls are just getting worse and worse... Adventurine consists of about 30 people, all probably working like crazy right now to get the GAME working properly. You people amaze me.
That's not what they were saying. An updated web site SHOULD have been done throughout the entire process. This has nothing to do with today's release. Every company in the world updates their website. It's a no brainer really.
But...
You fanbois have very short memories indeed. We were told COUNTLESS times by Aragon, Downtoearth, Imbant and many others that this very game WAS FULLY tested by PAID professional testers for the past year and a half. Also, we were told that AI bots were MORE than capable of testing the connections and stress on the servers.
And... For your added pleasure.
Tasos himself said in early December, 2008 that Darkfall was FULLY feature complete and MORE ready than any other MMO to be released.
So what happened?
Seriously.... This is not a major game launch. There's only about 5,000 players total participating at present time. That's not a great deal of players. Certainly not enough to cause all these problems for a fully professional tester tested game that's more ready to launch than any MMO in history!
You fanbois have very short memories and only bring up subjects that suit your immediate needs.
I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
My friend...
Remember when those many naysayers were compairing Darkfall to Dark & Light and you didn't listen or pay attention..? It is because many of us have been through this (almost exactly) before. Almost to a "T".
Dark & Light's (and I believe Horizon's) messege boards were shut down the first few days when they released their now flopped MMORPGs..! Because they knew of the nerd rage that would take place and didn't want to deal with it, they also put their own moderators on "other" forums as shills, trying to do dmg control, etc.
Aventurine followed the exact path that both the previous failed development teams did. During their later phases of beta.. The first started with withholding information during beta and soon just stopped dialog with the beta community, with patch notes being the ONLy info. Then about 3 months before releases there was this media blackout, (lack of information) etc.
Then they came out and mentioned (on another web-site) that certain key elements to their game would not be in-game (aka Tasos=no houses), then they shut down their message boards the day of release...!
Look, we are not talking about MASSIVE people trying to play this game or register... we are only talking about a 5,000 ~ 6,000 people...!
Aventurine NEVER stress tested their server in beta and we never had more than 2,500 logged in..! We warned you that this company is lead by an extremely incompetent person. You people just didn't understand how badly Darkfall is run and now you are starting to figure it out.
Ever notice how most of the people talking about how great this game is, was from big, known guilds? Ever hear of free copies or in-game favors for good lipservice?
Wake up!
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Where do I start, I know, the assumption about AV's cash flow. Tasos and the other members of av have maintained for the last 5 years that money was never an issue and wouldn’t ever be a determining factor in releasing the game as all backing for the project was in house. It can be assumed this is true, at least in part, given the extended delay in releasing the game 3 years after they announced they were about to start closed beta testing. As such in the absence of information to the contrary it has nothing to do with their current problems.
Billing issues most certainly have not been addressed, until every pre order is in the game or has been refunded that will remain to be the case; there are still a great many who pre ordered but are not yet able to enter the game.
Taking ten minutes to write a quick update is no harder than taking out 10 minutes to have a piss or grab something to eat and I assume that in the last 24 hours they have managed that; so that was an exercise in pointless excuses too.
You are also so well informed, to not realise that their web host and forum server are part of one and the same cluster, a simple trace reveals that. Claiming that the forum cannot cope with the load is a lie and copout and the second time they have used the excuse, last time they claimed it was a dos attack that took just their forums down while magically ignoring the web server for over two days. Again a straightforward ping revealed that the connection was no slower than under normal load, they simply turned off the forum host.
At this point these so called forum whiners are paying customers, not beta testers, or playing an f2p title, they are paying above average market price for an mmo to a company who play Harry Houdini the moment there are customer service issues they don't want to deal with.
All you are doing is making excuses for a company who are conspicuous by their absence, and making groundless assumptions to support your excuses; your repeated use of the term “appeasing forum whiners” says it all and lays out very clearly your reasons for posting in their defence.
My Colour Is Vomit green, I puke on the tards with stupid colour sigs. My symbol is ,,!, O ,!,, My enemies are any prat with a colour sig, a meaningless personality test, or a pointless list of games and classes.
Regards Hexcaliber
Funcom 2001...I say no more.
...and to a degree today. Their forum moderation is beyond stupid.
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Grammar nazi's. This one is for you.
Where do I start, I know, the assumption about AV's cash flow. Tasos and the other members of av have maintained for the last 5 years that money was never an issue and wouldn’t ever be a determining factor in releasing the game as all backing for the project was in house. It can be assumed this is true, at least in part, given the extended delay in releasing the game 3 years after they announced they were about to start closed beta testing. As such in the absence of information to the contrary it has nothing to do with their current problems.
Billing issues most certainly have not been addressed, until every pre order is in the game or has been refunded that will remain to be the case; there are still a great many who pre ordered but are not yet able to enter the game.
Taking ten minutes to write a quick update is no harder than taking out 10 minutes to have a piss or grab something to eat and I assume that in the last 24 hours they have managed that; so that was an exercise in pointless excuses too.
You are also so well informed, to not realise that their web host and forum server are part of one and the same cluster, a simple trace reveals that. Claiming that the forum cannot cope with the load is a lie and copout and the second time they have used the excuse, last time they claimed it was a dos attack that took just their forums down while magically ignoring the web server for over two days. Again a straightforward ping revealed that the connection was no slower than under normal load, they simply turned off the forum host.
At this point these so called forum whiners are paying customers, not beta testers, or playing an f2p title, they are paying above average market price for an mmo to a company who play Harry Houdini the moment there are customer service issues they don't want to deal with.
All you are doing is making excuses for a company who are conspicuous by their absence, and making groundless assumptions to support your excuses; your repeated use of the term “appeasing forum whiners” says it all and lays out very clearly your reasons for posting in their defence.
I have been following the game for a number of years and I don't recall Tasos ever saying anything about money never determining anything. Besides, even if he did, it wouldn't be the first time he was incorrect or misleading about something.
Second, I know you are a liar because I pinged the server on the day of the DDoS attack and after 4 attempts, 1 packet DID get through. The rest all timed-out. Right this minute, I am not sure what the problem is.
I did not know they were housed on the same cluster. Although, I don't believe it, even if it is true it doesn't change the fact that they could still have a limited number of connections available to the forum part of the server which would STILL create that issue.
I am not making excuses, I fully agree that they have botched some things and that they could have some more communication. You, however, are just making up nonsense, disregarding past experiences with the developers (as in communication has ALWAYS been limited, at best) and claiming that everyone whining and trolling is actually someone paying for the game to try and make your point. And even if they ARE paying for the game, they had to know that pretty much every beta tester said it was going to be a bit rocky. So complaining about something that they should have fully expected IS just crying.
The fact of the matter is that gamers are biggest drama queens/emo freaks that I have ever come across. Most of the people who whine to high heavens about anything and everything would sit there for three hours trying to get a preorder. Appeasing them is unecessary at this point because there will be more people happy to take their place if they leave and, as Tasos said, they have been trying to temper hype for the game. Not to mention that they have already extended the free month by 3 days.
Originally posted by evilzucchini ***large edit***
Wow you really are an ass, you dont want to believe facts because they do not backup your make believe excuses. You also claim to have followed the game for years, but were not aware that AV are proud of the fact they could take as much time as needed without financial pressure to launch.
As for calling me a liar and proceeding to pull more nonsense out of your arse, while I found your ignorance entertaining, I would suggest you actually do some research on areas you feel the need to comment on, otherwise your hole is likely to end up getting extremely sore.
I was in one of the first waves of invites to closed beta, using exactly the same name as I do here. So have firsthand experience with Aventurine not wanting to hear anything negative regardless of how well constructed, about their game, and am fully aware of their lack of communication skills. Funny I dont seem to recall any type of zucchini, evil or otherwise in the beta threads.
I was also one of several beta testers that contributed to a thread with supporting evidence as to why the claims of a dos attack were horseshit and couldn’t be true, of course the thread was deleted and the posters labelled as trolls, but there you go. What would I know, having beta tested the game, paid for my pre order and having achieved several qualifications in network management; it really is a funny old world.
My Colour Is Vomit green, I puke on the tards with stupid colour sigs. My symbol is ,,!, O ,!,, My enemies are any prat with a colour sig, a meaningless personality test, or a pointless list of games and classes.
Regards Hexcaliber
I agree 100%. Nothing of what you said is untrue.
They have obviously taken the foums down on purpose because they cant handle the potential nerd rage.
But in my lifetime I HAVE NEVER EVER SEEN A GAME RELEASED where the website was not updated and still talks about beta.
This is amateur hour x10.
So let me get this straight here. You two would rather have an updated website before a stable game? Trolls are just getting worse and worse... Adventurine consists of about 30 people, all probably working like crazy right now to get the GAME working properly. You people amaze me.
The GAME should have been working properly before they took peoples money and released the "official" client. How hard is it to update a website, i mean just remove the Beta sign up banner. Shouldnt take more than a minute to delete some lines of html.
Doesnt matter.Whats done is done. The first impression was made and it is clear, terrible.
A website does not take more than a couple of minutes to update, especially as someone said just to get rid of the beta signup logo. I will say they did the smart thing and seperate their server and forum, although a dedicated forum server should be able to handle the load, depending on how cheap they were when they bought it. If anyone cares to look and not jump to conclusions, here is a simple ping I did showing that the forums (or at least the subdomain) and the main site are on different servers:
Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.
C:Documents and Settings********>ping darkfallonline.com
Pinging darkfallonline.com [78.129.196.125] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 78.129.196.125: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=47
Reply from 78.129.196.125: bytes=32 time=148ms TTL=47
Reply from 78.129.196.125: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=47
Reply from 78.129.196.125: bytes=32 time=146ms TTL=47
Ping statistics for 78.129.196.125:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 146ms, Maximum = 148ms, Average = 146ms
C:Documents and Settings***********>ping forums.darkfallonline.com
Pinging forums.darkfallonline.com [77.95.25.51] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 77.95.25.51: bytes=32 time=149ms TTL=50
Reply from 77.95.25.51: bytes=32 time=151ms TTL=50
Reply from 77.95.25.51: bytes=32 time=149ms TTL=50
Reply from 77.95.25.51: bytes=32 time=148ms TTL=50
Ping statistics for 77.95.25.51:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 148ms, Maximum = 151ms, Average = 149ms
That shows that the main site is on 78.129.196.125 and the forums are on 77.95.25.51. There are many things they should of done differently with communication. They could of at least setup a blog on their server and a backup one on google or wordpress just to handle communication during this time. Also, hiding their account system and supposedly having to do it manually is fairly amateur. Av could have used an existing online transaction system such as paypal.