What sort of audience do you hope EQ2 is attracting?

HyperBallad · November 2004

I'm going to be frank. I can't stand MMORPG's that attract an abundant amount young players. I've never based more than half of my opinion of a MMORPG by its actually components (graphics, immersion, content, quality, stability, etc.). Mostly, the maturity level and deticasion of the players.

Please keep in mind when I say "young, immature players" I'm not at all referring to the AGE. It's impossible to decipher between a bright, witty, mature, and organized 13 year old from an easily-aggrovated, l33t speaking, conceided 30 year old man. (Must... not... comment... on WoW... must resist...) Okay.

What are you hoping the general age-ranged of players is going to become for EQ2? (Note: I was unofficially told the average age(maturity level) of EQ1 players was 23 years old.)

Here's a cute little poll, incase you were too lazy all I just wrote above and just clicked on the pretty poll!

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EQ: 65 Druid. 65 Rogue (Cancelled;2002)

Final Fantasy XI: 75 Monk. 75 Ninja. (Current)

EQ2: Prospective?

HyperBallad · November 2004

Quick follow-up Poll:

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EQ: 65 Druid. 65 Rogue (Cancelled;2002)

Final Fantasy XI: 75 Monk. 75 Ninja. (Current)

EQ2: Prospective?

9216544 · November 2004

Im 14, but I know how to be respectful and mature on games. I dont mind what age group plays, I just want them to act mature. I really want EQ2 to attract to more serious gamers, not any age group.

I agree with you on WoW, it was quite annoying seeing players do /v silly /v silly /v silly /v silly, /fart /fart /fart /fart. It really showed the maturity level of most players in that game.
EQ2 Qeynos Guild- http://www.imperium-arcanum.com

//\//\oo · November 2004

Originally posted by HyperBallad
abundant amount young players. I've never based more than half of my opinion of an MMORPG by its actually components (graphics, immersion, content, quality, stability, etc.). Mostly, the maturity level and deticasion of the players.

Please keep in mind when I say "young, immature players" I'm not at all referring to the AGE. It's impossible to decipher between a bright, witty, mature, and organized 13 year old from an easily-aggrovated, l33t speaking, conceided 30 year old man. (Must... not... comment... on WoW... must resist...) Okay.

What are you hoping the general age-ranged of players is going to become for EQ2? (Note: I was unofficially told the average age(maturity level) of EQ1 players was 23 years old.)

Here's a cute little poll, incase you were too lazy all I just wrote above and just clicked on the pretty poll!

Ironic, isn't it?

"Oh, what sad times are these when passing ruffians can say 'ni' at will to old ladies. There is a pestilence upon this land. Nothing is sacred."
MP

Antharius · November 2004

As long as i dont hear l337 talk or an abundance of Asian players begging* i'll be ok.

*its a known fact that 98% of all beggers come from the Far-East

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HyperBallad · November 2004

Originally posted by Antharius

As long as i dont hear l337 talk or an abundance of Asian players begging* i'll be ok.

*its a known fact that 98% of all beggers come from the Far-East

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I don't have time to think up a
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It's funny you would say that, since 50% of Final Fantasy XI players are Japanese (The games origin in japan) and theyre VERY self-sufficiant and NA players are the beggers most of the time.

As far as "who begs the most" I can only label immature players as trying to get something for nothing. Or too lazy to work hard to get what they want.

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EQ: 65 Druid. 65 Rogue (Cancelled;2002)

Final Fantasy XI: 75 Monk. 75 Ninja. (Current)

EQ2: Prospective?

Roland_Aseph · November 2004

Any player who is "respectful and mature" is truely WELCOME in my book...no matter the age!

RA

"It'll be dark soon."
"Aye...that it will."

HyperBallad · November 2004

Originally posted by Roland_Aseph

Any player who is "respectful and mature" is truely WELCOME in my book...no matter the age!

That's the idea of the post

I still, personally, think only players 18+ should be permitted to play. Why? EQ2 is by nature and incredibly addicted game for the younger audiance. It's very dangerous for high school kids to get involved in, control is a very important part of playing the game maturely. Your not a very fun person to play with if your blowing off school for a few extra hours of EQ2. You've got a problem and other people can see that. More elderly players play in a more relaxed and controled environment, and are less likely to aggrovate.

EDIT: UPS Truck just pulled up to my place RIGHT NOW. YAY! Im going to go give him a hug!!

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EQ: 65 Druid. 65 Rogue (Cancelled;2002)

Final Fantasy XI: 75 Monk. 75 Ninja. (Current)

EQ2: Prospective?

Hashman · November 2004

Hyperballad I applaud what you are saying and agree with you fully.

HyperBallad · November 2004

I took up EQ1 back in high school. I played from junior year to my freshmen year in college. Big mistake? I had a lot of fun and accomplished a lot in the game, but if I could go back and never play EQ, I would have. My GPA fell from a 3.7 to a 2.4, back then it was worth it. I didn't let my social life struggle, but I really started blowing off school-work to make time for it. There are so many young ignorant kids out there who think they can spare 10 hours per day during a school year, and make their life better off.

I don't want to make the topic about this, just following up on the "18+ Only" idea. I'm 22 now, and that would have helped me tremendously.

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EQ: 65 Druid. 65 Rogue (Cancelled;2002)

Final Fantasy XI: 75 Monk. 75 Ninja. (Current)

EQ2: Prospective?

Cataclysm · November 2004

I agree and disagree with you in a way. I played EQ when it first came out, and I just turned 18. I played after all my homework was finished, planned times Around things that I would do to keep my GPA up and still had time to get involved in sports. My GPA never slipped, I made first team all district outfielder in baseball, lettered, and still was able to get a handful of characters to 50+ before I quit it to play other mmos. Although I agree that most people under 18 are immature and irresponsible, I don't think that those that are responsible and mature shouldn't be punished for that. If you didn't allow those to play legally, they would find ways around that and perhaps get into some serious trouble while doing it...

Paganchild · November 2004

So far, the community in EQ2 has been very friendly and polite. People are generally very helpful. I really have no complaints about the community at all. ::::02::

Reliance · November 2004

I am 15 and know how to be responsible and know how to be polite to anyone and be very respectfull. Also I have met some adults that act immature. I therefor no one should be punished for there age. So I stand that "All ages" shall be allowed to play. ::::28::

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Ducky · November 2004

I am 16 and stand under the "Other players me age generaly humilate me in there immaturity" catagory

Calamities are of two kinds: Misfortune to ourselves and good fortune to others

HyperBallad · November 2004

Life would be so much easier if people would just become more mature along with their age. Age discrimination barely exists anymore. Immaturely discimination? Sure why not

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EQ: 65 Druid. 65 Rogue (Cancelled;2002)

Final Fantasy XI: 75 Monk. 75 Ninja. (Current)

EQ2: Prospective?

Paganchild · November 2004

In my old guild in EQ, there were some teenagers who played. They were usually more polite and helpful than the "adults". Sometimes age just isn't a good measure for maturity.

Reliance · November 2004

Originally posted by Paganchild
In my old guild in EQ, there were some teenagers who played. They were usually more polite and helpful than the "adults". Sometimes age just isn't a good measure for maturity.

I would have to agree age doesnt mean that they are mature or not. ::::28::

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Forwhom · November 2004

I have played a few mmorpgs, I have to say that I have met just as many 20 something people that are more immature than some of the 15-19 group. Though don't get me wrong both have there fair share of immature people in the groups. Thing to do is find the ones that you enjoy being around and hang out with them.

In town when you have to deal with masses, do that deal with it. I mean if it was an 18+ game you could have nudity and then the world opens to a bunch of perverts and immature people. I enjoy playing with all ages of people because they offer a new view point. younger players can still give that fresh perspective to the way you play and the older crowd can lead and teach the ones that want to learn. As for the rest forget them. Let them struggle with their piss poor attitudes

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Johnark · November 2004

well I can easily answer this...

I work for a Computer Store here in Quebec, I was a salesman until last week (I work in the warehouse now, got sick of selling).

But I must say in all the EQ2 orders I took for clients, no one was under the age of 18. No kid or mothers came to me to pre-order EQ2.

***BUT*** for Worlds of Warcraft??? Unless these old women are actually gonna play WoW, I took in consideration they are mothers pre-ordering the game for their kids. I think, I can't be sure cause I didn't ask, but I'm almost certain they are mothers. A couple of young teens ordered it too just as much as adults.

well, for Quebec, for the clients that came to our store, as much as I don't wanna generalize, more younger players will be playing WoW than EQ2.

It's not obvious why. What online-RPG (not MMORPG) attracted more younger teens than any other game on the market? Diablo 2!!! The hundreds of teens that bought Diablo 2 just to play online is insane! Just the name "Blizzard" attracts customers, young and old. And look at the graphics of WoW, they are more cartoony compared to EQ2 which looks a lot more serious and the babes in EQ2 are... well... babes. I mean you look at the cover of EQ2 with Antonia with very revealing armor, very sexy, holding her hand out on the box and you just know she's saying to you: "Come buy me, big boy!". WoW, we got a demo box of what the game is gonna be. You have the Nightelf girl with the dwarf on the box. The nightelf is maybe sexy-in game, but on the box she isn't revealing as much skin as Antonia.

I mean, SOE isn't stupid. Sex sells. Putting a hot chick on the box will definatly attract older gamers to buy the game. While Blizzard doesn't need a hot chick on the box, their "Blizzard" logo is all they need to sell their games.

All in all, older gamers will buy this game. What age range? I'd say 18-25. And since I knew a couple 40+ gamers that used to play EQ, they will surely buy EQ2 just cause of that. And I'm not the only one in that group of people to have said WoW looks more cartoony compared to EQ2.

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hercules · November 2004

Remember also the hundreds of thousands of ex EQ2 players returning who were in their early to mid 20s students years now in their late 20s to early 30s.

So i think a good majority will fall in that age gap early 20s to early 30s .

But who cares if you act immature then i boot u out of my group or raid simple as that even if you are 9 or 90.

TaintedPure · November 2004

The fact is that all MMOs are going to get a wide variety of people and maturity. I've had mixed experiences with all age groups.

This was a big concern of mine after leaving EQ and FFXI because of the community. I stopped playing EQ because the community was generally unfriendly or cold. Not really rude or obnoxious, but very "sink or swim". Most time was spent playing with just my r/l friends that were on and it got very tedious to try and level with only 2 or 3 of us in the higher levels. FFXI was much more friendly in many ways, but after level 20 XP was all or nothing. And if a group fell into the 'nothing' category (which was more often than not), everyone in the group gets frusterated. Even when playing with my r/l friends. I think EQ2 and WoW will both have much better communities than past games. I've been playing WoW for a week now and am liking the community... so far. I have had one instance of flaming/spamming (people arguing about WoW vs EQ2 *surprise*) and that was on a general chat channel that was easily turned off, but only great experiences with other players in-game. WoW is very solo AND group friendly so people can play however they want which I think eliminates alot of the game frustration factor. EQ2 sounds much the same in eliminating the forced playstyles and downtime of past MMORPGs. But I won't know until the perorder I am waiting for actually gets to the store. 2 days late and counting...

But to get back on subject, I've had lots of great experiences with younger players (late teens) and my most negative, game defeating experiences have been with crowds slightly older than me (26-30). In the end I think the younger crowds that can be outside the home being obnoxious and have too much else to do socially, in general. It's the older crowd that can work, sleep and live inside MMORPGs in between, in general.

I hate that I used the word 'crowd' so many times. It is often nothing more than one or two sour apples in the bunch.

Also, I played games through my youth and almost never did any homework (though I am quite succesful academically). MMORPGs get a bad rap for being addictive because each game is by nature made to be played for months if not years. The game titles just don't change often enough to stay away from blame.

~TaintedPure

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