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Investors livid?
Perhaps Aventurine might appreciate what a beta is for now?
While players are unhappy, the investors should be livid. Tasos's inability to manage something like this is going to directly reflect on the return these investors get. Image how you would feel if your money was riding on this fiasco.
So far Tasos has managed to scare away most people who showed a passing interest or who might have been interested given positive hype at launch, and now he is busy working on those who have followed the game for a long time. I think the game will still be a success, but geez has he put a dent in the potential sales.
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A beta would cost money. Why would anyone want to do that when there are people that don't mind paying to test a game?
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They ran out of money just like AoC did. Both released earlier than need be because they just didn't have the money to continue development without the backing of game sales.
Same ploy here. They ran out of money and if they wanted to release the game they had to release it while they could.
I'm not happy. But I'm a hell of lot happier than I would be if I hadn't been a beta tester with a pre-order.
I feel sorry for all the poor bastards that haven't played the game. They have nothing to bitch about. Not to mention they are not legends like we are.
I have a hard time believing the investors are livid right now. Most probably don't know too much about online games and are not concerned with reading forums. The investors are probably just happy that the game has "launched", aventurine has the potential to get money, thus they will have a return on their investment.
They trusted Tasos up to this point so if they call him, and he says "don't worry we'll get it all fixed and we will get more people playing" then they have no reason not to believe him now. However, in 2-3 (maybe even 6) months if the game does poorly then the investors will be livid at that point.
Investors livid that they have more customers than they can handle? YEAH................they are angry because they have to many customers haha.
The only investors that are livid are the ones that passed up the opprotunity to invest in this game.
The investors put them in this situation. The team ran out of money a long time ago and basically forced them to release it now.
I really cannot reply because that uber logic is killing me
I think the rabid fanboys defending things that are UNdefendable, asserting X when Y is the case, EVEN after its apparent to all did more damage to the game then anything else. After all that simply insulted peoples intelligence, assuming you cared. For me the two deciding factors were, the macro fest it has become, and the potential for the client to be hacked. If Mythic couldnt police hacks in DAOC, I know I saw people using them for years, how can AV possibly contain them here and with so much of the game client side.
I dont frankly have any opinion about Tasos other then the fact he had a vision and it has finally come to fruition. For that he should be commended. After all we all would have liked to have been in his shoes right? Creating a MMO we dreamed about.
I'm sorry, but no.
Investors watch what they've invested in very closely, i can't say if they are livid but to say they don't know what they've invested would be wrong or foolish on the side of the investors and i have a hard time buying that, these invrestors know full well the money that is to be made in online gaming....it's the reason they invested in the first place.
i think it's logical to assume that investors aren't to pleased to see a project they invested in stutter at the starting gate regardless of how big or small the company is or how much or little they've invested.
I'm sorry, but no.
Investors watch what they've invested in very closely, i can't say if they are livid but to say they don't know what they've invested would be wrong or foolish on the side of the investors and i have a hard time buying that, these invrestors know full well the money that is to be made in online gaming....it's the reason they invested in the first place.
i think it's logical to assume that investors aren't to pleased to see a project they invested in stutter at the starting gate regardless of how big or small the company is or how much or little they've invested.
Then the investors shouldn't have cut off the money flow like they did. The developers have NO MONEY left and had no choice but to release it right now.
What will happen is this if TASOS controll most how to run AV and game then CLAUS should do same as AoC did with Gaute Godager fire him.
Take someone else take care of business it seems TASOS can't handle it.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
The game apparently isn't working very well, and yet they still they have a huge mass of people begging to get in, begging to just be given the chance to give them their money. That seems to me to be the ideal situation for an investor. No investment competition, large chance on returns.
The situation would be different if this was like what happened with AoC. AoC wasn't working well, AND no one was begging to get in, they just left. There was no demand. And thus, no reason to invest. With darkfall there is clearly demand. Until the demand stops (which it clearly hasn't with Darkfall), I don't think the investors have reason to pull out, yet.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
Uhm, investors don't have infinite money. They can't supply development FOREVER.
I mean, it has been what -- 8 fucking years since start of development, hasn't it? At some point they have to say, we can't give you anything else -- release the fucking game and start getting our money back.
Except these "customers" have only paid a tiny fraction and still cancel and escape paying the biggest portion.
AV shot itself in the foot by not letting people in the beta sooner and certainly for not stress testing.
Investors cut off the money for a couple of reason... First we're in a huge recession. Well thats the excuse they would likely give right off but if you're half way intelligent or at least pay attention then you know the gaming industry is one of the few thats fairly recession proof along with the movie industry and of course the biggie... booze. I digress. The second and more probable reason is that they recognized that the game was not going well so far as development and was not going to give the return it should have.
Why is this you may ask?
Because it's lame.
Exactly, I don't thinkt Nintendo was pissed when the Wii sold out everywhere and was impossible to get for months.
If the investors trusted their money with Aventurine for years now, I don't think they will care too much if the game takes a few weeks to get the network issues fixed. It's not like they can get their money back anyway, so they can only hope it turns out well.
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The game is VERY close to being finished. Cutting off money and having an average product and an awful launch is a lot more expensive than allowing them a couple more months to release a game that is ready for launch.
I usually defend DF and Aventurine.
But in this I agree with you.
Tasos has been too cocky on this, I hope HE IS the main investor otherwise I would have kicked his ass.
On a business point of view, he is unforgivable.
Exactly, I don't thinkt Nintendo was pissed when the Wii sold out everywhere and was impossible to get for months.
If the investors trusted their money with Aventurine for years now, I don't think they will care too much if the game takes a few weeks to get the network issues fixed. It's not like they can get their money back anyway, so they can only hope it turns out well.
Nothing against Aventurine here, but I hope you realize Nintendo and Aventurine are on totally different levels. Your talking about a very succesful, long time running corperation versus a indie development company.
Would love to see your checklist for a game that is "VERY" close to being finished.
It wasn't close in beta, so I guess they got a lot done in the last few days.
gg AV
What were the major problems in beta that you saw? They fixed a ton of stuff in the last few patches during the beta.
Who's to say that they haven't already given them a couple more months to finish the game? Most likely that's what they did and when they saw that not much progress had been made they gave Tasos an ultimatum, release now or we stop funding you.
Besides Tasos himself, who i think owns about 10% i am guessing, the only other major investor is Jade mehdawi. He some person in greece that runs alot of semi olympic like games. I have been trying to find out if he had anything to do with the greek olympics a few years back. If he did it might explain about of why this launch is so horrible. The same reason the olympics that year sucked.
Would love to see your checklist for a game that is "VERY" close to being finished.
It wasn't close in beta, so I guess they got a lot done in the last few days.
gg AV
Within the last year they did cut alot of stuff out. No NPCs doing stuff, no player house, no prestiege classes, alot of the stuff like new innovative quests system from early interviews was cut. Alot of other really stupid mostly just fluff.
The only major major major thing i see missing is wheather. Which was in early beta but then taken out for some unkown reason.
ALso suppose to be mob evolution or something like them playing and skilling up, i am not exactly sure how that works though and if it is in or not.
Except that Nintendo has existed in Japan since 1889 (seriously-- it's true). By the time the Wii came out, they had well over a century of demonstrable business acumen, so investors had reason to stand behind the company when there were Wii shortages and the console was hard to come by. The investors knew the company would more than make up for that mistake.
In Aventurine's case, because they are an unproven quantity, investors will demand to know where the money is going and how it's being spent. It's the same thing that happened to Sigil with Microsoft. Sigil got money and interest for Vanguard due to Brad McQuaid's success with EQ, but even that wasn't enough to keep a gravy train going when development dragged on and questions started to arise over the progress of VG.
For Aventurine, that was likely worse, since they never had a big company like Microsoft behind them. Anyone who's ever invested in a new business venture knows that money isn't endless and that smart investors ask questions about how things are coming along and where the money's going. Indie company or no, anyone with enough scratch to fund a game being developed isn't just handing over their money blindly.