sorry but Fans do NOT decide when the release is. ONLY Darkfall does and they said the game is released then it is released period.
You couldnt be MORE wrong. Fans DO decide, because we set the bar for what we will pay for and not pay for. We do not directly say when a game is released but it is OUR job to not allow them to release games that are not up to par.
Its like all those stupid self help chick lit books, about why their boyfriends dont love them and stuff. Fact is a man will treat you however you let them, and if you ask for respect he either does or doesnt accoiate with you..
right now the mmo community is a girl whos so desperate for love that shes sacrificing her dignity to the man (literal and figurative).
anologies ftw
"We do not directly say when a game is released"
that's my point. there's no but's ( or asses, lol couldn't resist). Companies can release all shit they want, it's released when they release it, no matter how they release, or with what limitations or such they release it with. it's released. but i do, however, agree with you that consumers have a power, somewhat small, but a little to choose what we consume. the request and demand principle, although that's a bit naive sometimes with the way the world is governed and the with all the info we're constantly feed with every single day. It all affects ut, some way, even if you don't like to think so..
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I honestly wnjoy discussing while i wait, always fun. If you take it personally tak break for a while and cool down, if you don't take it personally there's no need to point that out. it's just a discussion, and not an agreement. I don't like complaining, but i don't consider this thrad is a whin thread, if you don't make it one. chill. if there's something you can't laugh at is at the same time not worth taking seriously.
The game is not released. It is a paid beta. I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
According to these nut jobs it does, but don't bring logic into this, it causes them to short circuit.
The game is not released. It is a paid beta. I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Well this game is technicaly in BETA, no matter what AV said.
All features are not implemented so, this is not the final product
All people is not available to play... Massive word is here for some reason
There is a lot of bug even for the standar MMO latest releases
They aloud to enter certain people, like a closed beta
Its evident the needed money to finish the game and decided to release AS IS, to get enought to finish it, for me the most inteligent think to do now is wait and see what happens.
Ohhh and is not a limited edition of darkfall, it pretends to be darkfall at all.
People don't seem to realize this isn't EA or Blizzard or another company with big backing that has money for 50 servers at release. Just because they aren't doing what everyone else does doesn't mean this or that. People just don't seem to realize a smaller company can't do things the same as huge ones. Have you all of you who are complaining ever played a game at launch before or near release? By your comments I seriously doubt it. In all honesty I hope these people complaining don't actually play the game, it'd make it a much better game for everyone else.
this is a discussion, not an argument. We are not complaining but we are questioning, dont take it so personal and be so dramatic. Discussing is what adults do sometimes
How is that taking thing personally or being dramatic? How is saying why I think you're wrong not discussing it?
Is it because I made a point that different companies work different ways and you have no response?
Mostly your comment about hoping we dont play because it would be better without us.. seemed a bit childish sorry. Your other comment was very valid.. but its not really about the size, its about the quality.
Originally posted by fyerwall Originally posted by larking Originally posted by ianubisi The game is not released. It is a paid beta. I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out. Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
The game is not released. It is a paid beta. I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
If the limited edition car you were promised was not the limited edition car you bought.
I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
But the car was still release regardless of the issues it had or the potential refunds the company may have to pay out.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Well this game is technicaly in BETA, no matter what AV said. All features are not implemented so, this is not the final product All people is not available to play... Massive word is here for some reason There is a lot of bug even for the standar MMO latest releases They aloud to enter certain people, like a closed beta Its evident the needed money to finish the game and decided to release AS IS, to get enought to finish it, for me the most inteligent think to do now is wait and see what happens.
Ohhh and is not a limited edition of darkfall, it pretends to be darkfall at all.
I haven't run into any bugs, I've been playing fine for hours after they fixed the queue bug this morning. The billing is a problem, but the game is fine. But whatever, if you want to sip the kool aid and call it beta, that's your choice.
But tell me some of these magical features that didn't make it into the final game, and who gave you the authority to call a released game beta just because you didn't get a pre order? (and therefore, cannot accurately comment on the state of the game, considering you don't play it).
That's something I am really noticing, and its making me laugh and cry at the same time. All these trolls bashing the game, saying it doesn't work, saying its in beta, saying Aventurine are crooks, don't even HAVE the game.
i hope veryone plays it, the more the merrier. jsut don't bring a a rainy face. hehe.
this is an enjoyable discussion, i've been working hard on my lecture on synthesizer synthesis i gonna teaching my students next week and this is a nice break from it. hehe. peace to all of you.
Exactly, its not released for all yet, its almost like a beta as there are about 200k players that wanted to play and just play maybe 10k. Other games handle loads of servers and this game just one, that is a release? Dont need to go to EQ and such games, some games made by not big companies handle several servers.
Blade with whom i have lived, blade with whom I now die. Serve right and justice one last time. Seek one last heart of evil. Still one last life of pain. Cut well old friend. Then farewell!
The game is not released. It is a paid beta. I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
According to these nut jobs it does, but don't bring logic into this, it causes them to short circuit.
Then Darkfall is only Limited?It will never be made available to the public?Only selected few will play?
And on the car subject.When they release a limited edition car.They never release the same limited edition car again.So your example is going to die soon,since AV said they are going to open up the registrations "soon"
Edit:Yeah i know the game will release in public "Propably" but im asking this guys to understand their way of thinking.
i hope veryone plays it, the more the merrier. jsut don't bring a a rainy face. hehe. this is an enjoyable discussion, i've been working hard on my lecture on synthesizer synthesis i gonna teaching my students next week and this is a nice break from it. hehe. peace to all of you.
Originally posted by fyerwall Originally posted by ianubisi
Originally posted by fyerwall
Originally posted by larking
Originally posted by ianubisi
The game is not released. It is a paid beta. I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out. Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full. If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path. But the car was still release regardless of the issues it had or the potential refunds the company may have to pay out.
Limited edition cars are a limited run. Advertised as such. Never made again.
Do you think that's what Darkfall is? A limited run game with only x slots available that no one else can play?
If you think that's what Darkfall is, then the comparison is absolutely accurate.
I cannot purchase the game and begin downloading it. If you think so, show me a link where I can provide a credit card, obtain the binaries to install, and begin playing the same day.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
But the car was still release regardless of the issues it had or the potential refunds the company may have to pay out.
Limited edition cars are a limited run. Advertised as such. Never made again.
Do you think that's what Darkfall is? A limited run game with only x slots available that no one else can play?
If you think that's what Darkfall is, then the comparison is absolutely accurate.
It doesnt matter.
The company accepted payment for the game and has since allowed those people who paid to access the game (minus the ones stuck in the no access error). The game has released, no matter how you try to change that fact.
Is the limited release a bad idea? yes.
Is the limited release fair? No
Is the limited release a release? Yes.
No matter how you spin it the game was released on the 25th (the date the devs started taking full payment for the product) even if no one got to play until the 26th when the servers finally went live and regardless if everyone who wanted a copy got one or not.
There are 3 types of people in the world. 1.) Those who make things happen 2.) Those who watch things happen 3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Originally posted by fyerwal It doesnt matter. The company accepted payment for the game and has since allowed those people who paid to access the game (minus the ones stuck in the no access error). The game has released, no matter how you try to change that fact. Is the limited release a bad idea? yes. Is the limited release fair? No Is the limited release a release? Yes. No matter how you spin it the game was released on the 25th (the date the devs started taking full payment for the product) even if no one got to play until the 26th when the servers finally went live and regardless if everyone who wanted a copy got one or not.
A limited release is not a release.Its a limited release :P.
So we reach to the point of this whole discussion.Whats a better word for the Limited Release of DF. :P It doesnt fit nicely to say DF was limitedly Released.
Officially, Darkfall is released.. period. They released their retail client, people payed money for it, and people have active subscriptions.. Can you say you feel the game is still in a beta state? Sure, but it's still released. They could of only released 10 clients for sale, and no one else is able to buy it, but as soon as they put it up for sale to the general public, no matter the supply they put out, it's officially "released". Everything else is just your opinion, but doesn't change the fact the game is released.. no matter how disastorous you may believe the release to be.
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You couldnt be MORE wrong. Fans DO decide, because we set the bar for what we will pay for and not pay for. We do not directly say when a game is released but it is OUR job to not allow them to release games that are not up to par.
Its like all those stupid self help chick lit books, about why their boyfriends dont love them and stuff. Fact is a man will treat you however you let them, and if you ask for respect he either does or doesnt accoiate with you..
right now the mmo community is a girl whos so desperate for love that shes sacrificing her dignity to the man (literal and figurative).
anologies ftw
"We do not directly say when a game is released"
that's my point. there's no but's ( or asses, lol couldn't resist). Companies can release all shit they want, it's released when they release it, no matter how they release, or with what limitations or such they release it with. it's released. but i do, however, agree with you that consumers have a power, somewhat small, but a little to choose what we consume. the request and demand principle, although that's a bit naive sometimes with the way the world is governed and the with all the info we're constantly feed with every single day. It all affects ut, some way, even if you don't like to think so..
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I honestly wnjoy discussing while i wait, always fun. If you take it personally tak break for a while and cool down, if you don't take it personally there's no need to point that out. it's just a discussion, and not an agreement. I don't like complaining, but i don't consider this thrad is a whin thread, if you don't make it one. chill. if there's something you can't laugh at is at the same time not worth taking seriously.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
According to these nut jobs it does, but don't bring logic into this, it causes them to short circuit.
Darkfall Travelogues!
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
Well this game is technicaly in BETA, no matter what AV said.
All features are not implemented so, this is not the final product
All people is not available to play... Massive word is here for some reason
There is a lot of bug even for the standar MMO latest releases
They aloud to enter certain people, like a closed beta
Its evident the needed money to finish the game and decided to release AS IS, to get enought to finish it, for me the most inteligent think to do now is wait and see what happens.
Ohhh and is not a limited edition of darkfall, it pretends to be darkfall at all.
this is a discussion, not an argument. We are not complaining but we are questioning, dont take it so personal and be so dramatic. Discussing is what adults do sometimes
How is that taking thing personally or being dramatic? How is saying why I think you're wrong not discussing it?
Is it because I made a point that different companies work different ways and you have no response?
Mostly your comment about hoping we dont play because it would be better without us.. seemed a bit childish sorry. Your other comment was very valid.. but its not really about the size, its about the quality.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
If the limited edition car you were promised was not the limited edition car you bought.
YES
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
But the car was still release regardless of the issues it had or the potential refunds the company may have to pay out.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
I haven't run into any bugs, I've been playing fine for hours after they fixed the queue bug this morning. The billing is a problem, but the game is fine. But whatever, if you want to sip the kool aid and call it beta, that's your choice.
But tell me some of these magical features that didn't make it into the final game, and who gave you the authority to call a released game beta just because you didn't get a pre order? (and therefore, cannot accurately comment on the state of the game, considering you don't play it).
That's something I am really noticing, and its making me laugh and cry at the same time. All these trolls bashing the game, saying it doesn't work, saying its in beta, saying Aventurine are crooks, don't even HAVE the game.
Darkfall Travelogues!
i hope veryone plays it, the more the merrier. jsut don't bring a a rainy face. hehe.
this is an enjoyable discussion, i've been working hard on my lecture on synthesizer synthesis i gonna teaching my students next week and this is a nice break from it. hehe. peace to all of you.
Exactly, its not released for all yet, its almost like a beta as there are about 200k players that wanted to play and just play maybe 10k. Other games handle loads of servers and this game just one, that is a release? Dont need to go to EQ and such games, some games made by not big companies handle several servers.
Blade with whom i have lived, blade with whom I now die. Serve right and justice one last time. Seek one last heart of evil. Still one last life of pain. Cut well old friend. Then farewell!
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
According to these nut jobs it does, but don't bring logic into this, it causes them to short circuit.
Then Darkfall is only Limited?It will never be made available to the public?Only selected few will play?
And on the car subject.When they release a limited edition car.They never release the same limited edition car again.So your example is going to die soon,since AV said they are going to open up the registrations "soon"
Edit:Yeah i know the game will release in public "Propably" but im asking this guys to understand their way of thinking.
Peace afterclap.. hopefully cya in the game
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
But the car was still release regardless of the issues it had or the potential refunds the company may have to pay out.
Limited edition cars are a limited run. Advertised as such. Never made again.
Do you think that's what Darkfall is? A limited run game with only x slots available that no one else can play?
If you think that's what Darkfall is, then the comparison is absolutely accurate.
I am unable to buy a limited edition car because they are sold out.
Does this mean they never released those limited amount of cars?
Current commercial laws would require a manufacturer of car with this many flaws to refund your monies in full.
If you want to draw that kind of comparison, which is innately flawed, then feel free to do so. But you'll be walking down a very poor path.
But the car was still release regardless of the issues it had or the potential refunds the company may have to pay out.
Limited edition cars are a limited run. Advertised as such. Never made again.
Do you think that's what Darkfall is? A limited run game with only x slots available that no one else can play?
If you think that's what Darkfall is, then the comparison is absolutely accurate.
It doesnt matter.
The company accepted payment for the game and has since allowed those people who paid to access the game (minus the ones stuck in the no access error). The game has released, no matter how you try to change that fact.
Is the limited release a bad idea? yes.
Is the limited release fair? No
Is the limited release a release? Yes.
No matter how you spin it the game was released on the 25th (the date the devs started taking full payment for the product) even if no one got to play until the 26th when the servers finally went live and regardless if everyone who wanted a copy got one or not.
There are 3 types of people in the world.
1.) Those who make things happen
2.) Those who watch things happen
3.) And those who wonder "What the %#*& just happened?!"
A limited release is not a release.Its a limited release :P.
So we reach to the point of this whole discussion.Whats a better word for the Limited Release of DF. :P It doesnt fit nicely to say DF was limitedly Released.
Officially, Darkfall is released.. period. They released their retail client, people payed money for it, and people have active subscriptions.. Can you say you feel the game is still in a beta state? Sure, but it's still released. They could of only released 10 clients for sale, and no one else is able to buy it, but as soon as they put it up for sale to the general public, no matter the supply they put out, it's officially "released". Everything else is just your opinion, but doesn't change the fact the game is released.. no matter how disastorous you may believe the release to be.