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To the MO dev's .. please use DF (Darkfall) as a guide on what NOT to do
sabutai44
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Darkfall has been the WORST MMO yet to arrive in 2009, not only is the community horrible with a bunch of l33tz0rz and hax0rz chatting along with the Gankfests, but gameplay in general in just plain sad!
I hope you guys do not commit the same mistakes as Darkfall!
and look forward to beta or release!
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I personally feel the out of game debacle has been more of a detriment to DF than anything going on ingame. I think DF needs to invest early in a new PR guy, because their current one ain't doing so hot.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Metallica8589/videos?view=0
DF's PR and planning might be shitty, DF's launch might have been awefull, but we can only judge the game after at least a few months when we can weigh in things as lasting appeal to gameplay and how good or bad the sandbox, player run world will turn out to be as an 'endgame'.
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Atleast Darkfall as a game is really fun.
And we know that "good" PR wont save a bad game (AoC). So the logic is flawed.
I think ALL MMO companies should look at Adventurine and the numerous problems plaguing their game. As gamers, we should not have to put up with mediocre or, in the case of DF, failed launches. Its becoming apparent that gamers have become complacent with these type of launches and even said that they are "expected". That's just sad.
Not realy too sure what you mean by complacent. Alot of us in teh community are pretty pissed, at least the ones that pre-ordered and the ones that wish to buy. But the fact of the matter is, if your into a harsh world darkfall has been the latest addition with fun combat, sieges and enough room for players to gain enough buildings to really get into the whole building scenario. Sure theres hardly any mobs, sure theres alot of open space. But this game isnt about PVE its focusing on PVP. And a company with less than 30 employees compared to the hundreds companies normaly have, their not doin too bad.
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So many mmorpgs had even worse launch, but there's always a reason to bash DFo, isn't it ?
Give them some time, RC version will arrive within a month, and after a half year aventurine will create RTM product.
It's just a matter of time
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So many mmorpgs had even worse launch, but there's always a reason to bash DFo, isn't it ?
Give them some time, RC version will arrive within a month, and after a half year aventurine will create RTM product.
It's just a matter of time
Look, I can see why you might say DF is a good game.
But how in the hell can you even say this launch was good with a straight face? You DO realize that there is more to having a successful launch than JUST a game, right?
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So many mmorpgs had even worse launch, but there's always a reason to bash DFo, isn't it ?
Give them some time, RC version will arrive within a month, and after a half year aventurine will create RTM product.
It's just a matter of time
really? what games had a worse launch?
Only ones which come to mind are Mourning, AO, and DnL.....and i have been at launch for pretty much for all AAA mmorpgs in the last 4 years (if you dont beleive me....i can take a pic of all the original boxes to prove it)
This is simple...
Small Developer = Rocky game launch
IOW...all small developers should try to sell themselves out to big companies.
That's learning alot!
Lol i dont see where in his post he said they had a good launch. He's just saying other games had worse launches.
Keep in mind the main game itself is stable. Its just the billing servers and some last minute bugs they had to work out that kinda killed it. This is a INDIE company trying to make an MMORPG. Not to mention trying some innovative elements in a MMORPG. Other than Maridian59 how many games have what Darkfall have in as large of a setting as Darkfall?
We have RYL, Meridian59 and some other Instanced games that have remotely as twitch combat as Darkfall has. Not to mention a sandbox world, not instanced (non instanced has quite far more server load). You also take into account they didnt believe that their game would get quite as much attention as it has gotten (Why you havent really seen any PR is because they were trying to not deal with such a quite as big of load as they've gotten).
Are their difficulties? Yes. Are there things that should be changed? Sure, but what game hasnt started off kinda rough. WoW was horrid when it was first brought out, anyone remember ironforge? But look at it now. But of course everyones thinking about the NOW, instead of realizing darkfall is going to be around for a long long time and is going to be building itself aroun dthat.
True, but it can save a good game that has launched poorly. I have read a lot of people's posts saying they won't try Darkfall simply based on how Aventurine is conducting their business. People don't want to see excuses about their billing server not handling the load or how "they weren't ready for so many people." I agree with another poster, though, that people need to hold their judgment for a few months down the road and see where DF is at.
http://www.youtube.com/user/Metallica8589/videos?view=0
Everything I've seen and heard tells me that it's good in the way that one of those anime fighting games are good. You have to love the subject matter (full loot, FFAPVP, combat that's different than WoW/DBZ, Naruto, whatever) to such a degree that you're willing to overlook the myriad flaws and shallow systems.
True, but it can save a good game that has launched poorly. I have read a lot of people's posts saying they won't try Darkfall simply based on how Aventurine is conducting their business. People don't want to see excuses about their billing server not handling the load or how "they weren't ready for so many people." I agree with another poster, though, that people need to hold their judgment for a few months down the road and see where DF is at.
This is what that 1 guy was talking about when he said the MMO community has become complacent with shitty launches. God I get sick of this defence of Poor MMO launches. Beta is there to iron out the MAJOR problems. shouldnt have to pay them while they fix their game. Now I understand some little problems here and there, but there is a fine line where it can go to far. MMO's launches these days hurdle that line and push it to the extreme, and the community isnt even phased by that crap.
I cant think of any other product line that allows for such garbage to be sold. Only thing even remotly close would be some other software like maybe windows vista. However M$ has virtually an arguable monopoly on OS's to where they can get away with a little rocky start. Even then its not near the catastrophy that some MMO launches are getting away with. And there are countless MMO companies.
My guess to why MMO companies get away with it with such ease is because the majority of the MMO community is immature. This is the only valid reason that comes to mind. The target group is the younger generations. I fall in this category (age 25) but I work hard for my money and I think products that are for sale should be READY FOR SALE , not on sale but not complete until 3-6 months down the road. Thats just stupid. Thats poor reasoning, It just baffles me how an MMO can have so many features removed, crashing servers where you cant even log on and all the other major crap that goes on and the people defend that. I am not just refering to DF.
I can say one thing with certainty, If the MMO community would not support poor games at launch then other MMO companies would take strong notice and with their launch they would be more ready. Sadly for the time being companies see that they can get away with it and they will continue to push it further and further because less polished games = less money invested and thats what it all boils down too is money, dont kid yourself its all about the money. When will the MMO community stand up and demand better quality at release? who knows
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
hah well you can't even really buy it yet. Maybe it's better to think of it as a paid stress test. It's a throwback to the late 90's in so many ways, most of them bad.
DF isnt a failed launch. its still in the process of launching... its been launching for quite some time now. when it will finally finish launching? who the hell knows. lol
Ok, I think there's been enough hatred passed towards DF, let's not forget the real enemies were and have been the DF fanbois and tasos....let's leave the game itself alone until a while has passed and thorough reviews have been made of the game..=P
Tbh i've got Darkfall and i'm not even gonna comment on what the games like. Why? Forums ever since warcraft have just been a collection of angry teens. No point in even stating whether you like it or not. And reguardless of how good or bad MO will be, the same buildup of haters and fanboys will flood it.
As for darkfall, my advice is to not knock it until you've tried it. I'm enjoying it immensely - though pokeing with the graphics settings till it doesnt look like a commicbook with 2d sprites takes aaaaaageeeeessss
WoW nerds beware, I come equipped with lazers and anti-QQ missiles. If you mess with me, I will $%£@ you.
Tbh i've got Darkfall and i'm not even gonna comment on what the games like. Why? Forums ever since warcraft have just been a collection of angry teens. No point in even stating whether you like it or not. And reguardless of how good or bad MO will be, the same buildup of haters and fanboys will flood it.
As for darkfall, my advice is to not knock it until you've tried it. I'm enjoying it immensely - though pokeing with the graphics settings till it doesnt look like a commicbook with 2d sprites takes aaaaaageeeeessss
I thought you were not going to comment on it?
Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
Yes but "bad" PR, or in this case, insanely horrible PR, can kill a game
Not to do:
- never talk to customers and fanbase
- promise an open beta then "forget" it
- propose only 1 server with 1 char
- a crappy billing system with 5K keys to sell
- unprofessional website
- let the macro'ers control the servers
- closed beta with only few beta testers -100% fanboys
- no stress test