Addons never add unfair advantage, they just compile information that any normal user has access to. You shouldn't talk about things you don't understand.
Umm .. .yeah I do know they promote add-ons. I think I said that they allow them. Yup ... I read what I wrote I did say it. Please review, it is a nice read.
But just to use your examples ... a threat meter. Now I don't know exactly what it is ... but I am going to venture a guess that it is some guage that shows the ammount of emnity a creature has towards a player, probably compares it to others in the party or raid. Is that right? Assuming i'm right, are you saying that a tank that is using a threat meter would not have an advantage over a tank that doesn't? So a tank sees his emnity dipping or watching a healers eminty increase and knows he has to spam some moves to get back on top of the emity curve. So this guy doesn't have an advantage over the guy next to him that doesn't have this add on and thus has to rely on instinct and experience to guage his own emnity?
I don't see how you couldn't say that there is an unfair advantage here (again assuming I'm right about the add-on). Or is it the other tanks fault for not using this tool. This is the kinda thing I rip on my friends about. That they can't keep track of their own emnity enough that they need think to do it for them. I am sure there are plenty of other example that are out there that could prove my point, but since I don't have a vast knowledge of WoW's add-on system I'm at a little of a disadvantage. That isn't an benign as a damage parcer or the abiilty to see the going price of an item on the Auction House.
But you see ... this is all a moot point because as we both have stated now WoW allows this to happen. The issue here is we are in FFXI now where it is not, it is against the Terms of Service that you agreed to each and every time you log into the game. If SE wanted the game to do the things that windower does they would have added them already. As they are not they create an unfair advantage to a player that is not using them (especially apperent, but not limited to the console versons of the game). Anything that goes against these ToS would be considered cheating. So ... I'm gonna have to thrown the later part of your quote above right back at ya.
NotArkardLord of the Rings Online CorrespondentMemberPosts: 164
Bottom line of this argument is clearly: never make MMOs for consoles. Part of what made WoW so popular, I think, is the fact that you could customize your gameplay any way you wanted. Want pink ribbons all over your hotkeys? You got 'em.
You can't even change the damn font in FFXI without having to tear into some .DATs. It's outdated game design, to be honest.
Developers these days(smart ones) realize that game communities CAN make their games better than their own developers. That's why the best games out there are games that can be heavily modded(Fallout 3, Oblivion, Morrowind, etc.). It increases the value of a game a thousandfold. They know if people want to replace Mario with a hooker, they will. So why not just sell them the game, toss the SDK their way, and let them do it?
The future of all gaming, MMOs included, lies within the communities and the additions they provide to the game. A good example is Titan Quest. When IronLore closed down, the community basically took over development of the game. To this day the community still produce patches, fixes bugs, and offers support, even though the company no longer exists.
Whatever decision is made in the end to use third-party tools should be done only after you've had a chance to do your own research. Test these tools out and see if you like them. There's uneducated people on both sides of the third-party tool argument for FFXI, for sure. WoW addons reached the point where they would play the game for you, and so they are an awful example of modding.
Even with all the possible plugins the Windower offers, I don't think anyone can say it automates every function of the game. If you do think that, then you truly have no idea what you're talking about.
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I think I'll say something you all want to say but nobody has said it.
Icon, shut the hell up. Get a life, stop camping these forums, nobody likes reading your 5 paragraph opinionated pieces of trash. I only read two and I decided to write this. Maybe you need to get laid more; or did your attitude result in your wife cheating on you with somebody who has less of an ego?
I think I'll say something you all want to say but nobody has said it.
Icon, shut the hell up. Get a life, stop camping these forums, nobody likes reading your 5 paragraph opinionated pieces of trash. I only read two and I decided to write this. Maybe you need to get laid more; or did your attitude result in your wife cheating on you with somebody who has less of an ego?
kthxbai.
Well I'll keep it down to a one paragraph summary then: I'm right.
No one has been banned because of using Windower, iirc.
And for those of you against it (clowns) there are many reasons why Windower is the better choice over S-E's Window mode.
SE's window mode looks horrible, you can't maximize it properly.. even when you make the window maximized you can still see the stupid Windows bar at the top and your taskbar/system tray at the bottom.
With Windower however, you can play in true-fullscreen (no windows bar) and still alt tab... not to mention draw distance, 100x better screenshots and the good ole party TP display.
if SE want people to stop using Windower, they need to enhance their game. Make fullscreen not crash when people alt tab... let PC users increase their draw distance.. and FFS implement DirectX9, not only will the game look 10x better but it will remove all the issues with newer cards.
8 series have soo many problems with FFXI it's not even funny.
No one has been banned because of using Windower, iirc. And for those of you against it (clowns) there are many reasons why Windower is the better choice over S-E's Window mode. SE's window mode looks horrible, you can't maximize it properly.. even when you make the window maximized you can still see the stupid Windows bar at the top and your taskbar/system tray at the bottom.
With Windower however, you can play in true-fullscreen (no windows bar) and still alt tab... not to mention draw distance, 100x better screenshots and the good ole party TP display. if SE want people to stop using Windower, they need to enhance their game. Make fullscreen not crash when people alt tab... let PC users increase their draw distance.. and FFS implement DirectX9, not only will the game look 10x better but it will remove all the issues with newer cards. 8 series have soo many problems with FFXI it's not even funny.
I heard a while back that windower was the cause of some accounts being stolen...
I have heard the opposite, direct from people who have been hacked. Apperently there was some plug-in that cause some people problems, not the program itself. Interesting enough that soon after this news is when SE put out its very first mass message saying not to use 3rd party tools.
Yeah, but not the windower itself. I've only heard of the hacking through malware on websites and such. If people were using plug-ins they weren't suppose to, then serves them right (although I don't really approve of any of the plug-ins for the most part).
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This topic will be remove soon, however, i will tell you. Yes, any use of third party softwares not offical by SE for use are illegal. However, i still haven't yet met anyone getting ban using it. Unless you use some "botting" similar features on it. Just so you know, FFXI has been using a "memory" scan (which violate the user in reality but they won't admit it) on playonline's program. Windower seem block that scan so they do know you use it.
Alot people here will get very extreme saying it is cheating, i on the other hand can't even run FFXI if i don't use it. (as my virus scan will pop the game out every 5 min + minor crashes every 10 min even without virus scan)
your right this topic was removed................../sarcasm
NotArkardLord of the Rings Online CorrespondentMemberPosts: 164
Originally posted by Satimasu Yeah, but not the windower itself. I've only heard of the hacking through malware on websites and such. If people were using plug-ins they weren't suppose to, then serves them right (although I don't really approve of any of the plug-ins for the most part).
This is correct. It was a piece of malware found on some popular sites(ffxiah.com, somepage, etc). It wasn't the sites that posted the malware, it just managed to sneak in there.
As always, it was just another case of internet darwinism. Only total dumbasses got their accounts stolen. The internet-savvy didn't.
This may be obvious, but don't download plug-ins from any website other than the Windower's. In fact, don't download the Windower or its plug-ins at all, because it is illegal software. You WILL be arrested.
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So let me get this straight. You're anti-windower I can tell. S-E is worthless at fixing / adding certain things to this game. It's very neglected. Like someone already said, bringing your draw distance up to 200, adding some cosmetic touches to enhance what the game looks like. While I love the game and how it looks, I'd NEVER play with normal draw distance and a lack of tinkering with the registry. Some things are just icing on the cake, and are not considered "Cheating". You mention TParty. So you like all your melee randomly popping their sweet macros with <call1>s showing their TP? Yeah, me too, I love it! And on macros, do you do endgame? With gear swapping macros? You're telling me you use the standard 6 line macros for your gear swaps? Come on. The windower enhances the game in ways S-E will not do. They added their own windower... woop-de-doo. When they add in all these other features that the windower plugins do, then I'll gladly stop using the windower. Just like the other 90% of the population. S-E won't ban the windower, because they would most likely kill their playerbase.
TParty: Yup I like talking to people. The idea of the game is interacting with other people. Kinda like how you don't know who has a quest for you or not until you ask. It is supposed to simulate real life, that is the point of ALL of Final Fantasy. Normal people put into a world of extrodinary things. Speaking as a BLM here ... the game was better back in the day when people would worry about TP and try and skill chain b/c it was more fun for me. Skill Chaining is a lot art (at least on Asura) coridinating attack is something that no one does with or without the plug in.
And yes I do endgame. I honestly forget if you were around for beta or how long you were in the game your first time through. Chances are I was doing endgame long before you; remember I'm the old shit. And yes ... all my macros have 6 or less lines in them. (EDIT: come to think of it the most I might have is 5)
The thing you are missing about the whole plug in thing isn't that SE won't put these enhancements in. It is they aren't supposed to be there in the first place. That is why it is cheating. "No really poker would be so much better with 8 Aces. That is why I put 4 others up my sleeve. That isn't cheating" "Baseball would great if eveyone was hitting a homerun so lets juice. That isn't cheating" "Honey you are on the rag this week, and i'm honry so I hooked up with my ex for the night. That isn't cheating" ... get the idea or do I have to come up with more anaolgies to prove my point? If they wanted to add them they would have added them.
Let me see if I got this right. Draw distance. This will increase distance out that your game will see things. So things like buildings, mobs, npcs, players etc that would normally not be seen by me because they are too far away would be seen by you if you are standing right next to me. That's correct right?
Personally I'm proud to do the shit that I can do or the shit that I have done without something assisting me to do so. Quite frankly it starts to boarder on pathetic to need to rely on a a third party tool to play a game.
And just to state the obvious here. PS2/3 and Xbox do not get these plugins. Anything that enhanses the game mechanics to give one person an advantage over another is cheating. A person using windower knows another party members TP or can swap 10 pieces of gear at once, or can look through a wall to see a mob thus it is cheating. If you disagree you are wrong.
Draw distance does NOT increase the extent to which you can see mobs. Only Landscapes.
ONLY LANDSCAPES.
Period.
I suppose you think the IME addon is cheating too, allowing japanese speakers in North America to be able to type in Japanese characters and better communicate with JP.
Obviously SE intended everyone to use Auto translate (or romaji, if u are completely pig headed), to speak to JP, and if you understand Japanese, you should be limited to this mechanic, because using Japanese on an english client is CHEATING.
Draw distance does NOT increase the extent to which you can see mobs. Only Landscapes. ONLY LANDSCAPES. Period. I suppose you think the IME addon is cheating too, allowing japanese speakers in North America to be able to type in Japanese characters and better communicate with JP. Obviously SE intended everyone to use Auto translate (or romaji, if u are completely pig headed), to speak to JP, and if you understand Japanese, you should be limited to this mechanic, because using Japanese on an english client is CHEATING. Wrong.
About the draw distance:
Well ... that is what I was asking. Obviously I don't use it so obviously I didn't know what it did. If you read people responses to me asking there was a lot that was said that could go either way. Like someone mentioned objects; what are objects? Are the the mountains in the background? Are they the trees in the midground? Are they the NPCs? The mobs? It is like trying to explain what a computer is to a member of some amazon tribe. So you ask more questions. Okay landscapes ... thank you for the info. Now my question becomes is seeing a mountain a second sooner than the next guy really a turn off that NEED the increased draw distance? Does a nice pair of c-cups not do it for you either?
About the rest:
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. What are you using as an example? Something that allows you to type Kanji in an English verson of the game? I can understand you like the program and thus attempting to defend it, but when you pick out one of the most benign aspect as your flagship argument. My arguments against it is that it will create an unfair advatnage. Just like making the game windowable, this would be benign, it is the plug-ins that the programs comes with and is an anvenue to build and or download other plug-ins that causes an unfair advantage. If you really wanna type in Japanese have yourself a blast. I'll continue to use the auto-translate because 1) I don't know Japanese outside of a few words and 2) I actually might be talking to someone that doesn't speak english or japanese.
anything use of 3rd party tools are illegal but I believe sometime ago, they had interview /w SE saying that you will not get banned for windower.
however, there is no way of SE to find out unless someone reports them(somehow windower user admitting that he was using 1)
windower can be very handy tool. I used it and it is extremely handy.
now.. why windower or 'window mode' is bad?
well window mode opens whole new possility,easier to hack client/packets/programs or addon for ffxi.
newb with few knowlege can sniff packets and use it in-game while they can't make FFXI window mode to do this. Simply due to making 'window mode' require actual programming.
most of these hacks.. claim hacks.. fishing hack.. ffxiapp.. 'ffxihelper... ffxi AH camper... and most famouse of FFXI ASSIST..etc were made after windower was made. =/ as you can already see the impact on this.
now SE heard enough complains.. and gave up for this protection. GG.
Draw distance does NOT increase the extent to which you can see mobs. Only Landscapes. ONLY LANDSCAPES. Period. I suppose you think the IME addon is cheating too, allowing japanese speakers in North America to be able to type in Japanese characters and better communicate with JP. Obviously SE intended everyone to use Auto translate (or romaji, if u are completely pig headed), to speak to JP, and if you understand Japanese, you should be limited to this mechanic, because using Japanese on an english client is CHEATING. Wrong.
About the draw distance:
Well ... that is what I was asking. Obviously I don't use it so obviously I didn't know what it did. If you read people responses to me asking there was a lot that was said that could go either way. Like someone mentioned objects; what are objects? Are the the mountains in the background? Are they the trees in the midground? Are they the NPCs? The mobs? It is like trying to explain what a computer is to a member of some amazon tribe. So you ask more questions. Okay landscapes ... thank you for the info. Now my question becomes is seeing a mountain a second sooner than the next guy really a turn off that NEED the increased draw distance? Does a nice pair of c-cups not do it for you either?
About the rest:
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. What are you using as an example? Something that allows you to type Kanji in an English verson of the game? I can understand you like the program and thus attempting to defend it, but when you pick out one of the most benign aspect as your flagship argument. My arguments against it is that it will create an unfair advatnage. Just like making the game windowable, this would be benign, it is the plug-ins that the programs comes with and is an anvenue to build and or download other plug-ins that causes an unfair advantage. If you really wanna type in Japanese have yourself a blast. I'll continue to use the auto-translate because 1) I don't know Japanese outside of a few words and 2) I actually might be talking to someone that doesn't speak english or japanese.
My argument is , yes, some aspects like TParty were not intended for the game and should not be included in the windower. But, the game being windowable is not the only aspect of windower that is a pure enhancement to the game and not a 'cheat'. Draw distance, IME plugins, the plugin that puts in sort of a Diablo II Lighting radius. an EXP/Hour count. These do not affect gameplay and are not cheats.
The draw distance increase is only on objects that are included in landscapes and thus is, as you said, benign (anybody who refutes this and says it is on mobs as well is just wrong, mob appearance runs separately from landscape appearance, so., as bill nye would say, NOWWW YOU KNOWWW ).
Also, you say that someone is going to see a mountain a second later... actually, with windower's draw distance you can effectively see the entire zone (though some, like Valkurm, get cut off at far distances), there is essentially no landscape drawing as you walk except on bloom effects and mip maps. It makes the game look much more modern.
A set of C-cups will do just nicely, thank you for asking. Not too big, not too small. :O
Could someone explain to me how seeing someone's TP is possibly cheating? So you can see how close people are to be able to chain in numbers, and, and what?
Could someone explain to me how seeing someone's TP is possibly cheating? So you can see how close people are to be able to chain in numbers, and, and what?
First, we need a definition of a Cheat:
My definition: Any addon, plugin, third party tool, etc. that ALTERS your gameplay mechanics and play style to such a playstyle that could not have been attained without use of the addon. TParty does this, macro line increasing does this. Draw distance does not, Japanese writing plugs do not, lighting does not... etc.)
now:
Its not a huge cheat that breaks the game.
Its not really a big deal.
But, square did not want you to be able to see other peoples TP and intended Skillchaining to be on a chatting basis. Really, I prefer Tparty and although think it is a little over the border of cheating, I use it; because:
Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.
My argument is , yes, some aspects like TParty were not intended for the game and should not be included in the windower. But, the game being windowable is not the only aspect of windower that is a pure enhancement to the game and not a 'cheat'. Draw distance, IME plugins, the plugin that puts in sort of a Diablo II Lighting radius. an EXP/Hour count. These do not affect gameplay and are not cheats.
The draw distance increase is only on objects that are included in landscapes and thus is, as you said, benign (anybody who refutes this and says it is on mobs as well is just wrong, mob appearance runs separately from landscape appearance, so., as bill nye would say, NOWWW YOU KNOWWW ). Also, you say that someone is going to see a mountain a second later... actually, with windower's draw distance you can effectively see the entire zone (though some, like Valkurm, get cut off at far distances), there is essentially no landscape drawing as you walk except on bloom effects and mip maps. It makes the game look much more modern. A set of C-cups will do just nicely, thank you for asking. Not too big, not too small. :O
I don't want to see any more of Valkrum than they game initially allows me to. I know just the place for the Vana'deil N-Bomb testing. And tell me it isn't cool when you see the moon through where buildings should be in Dynamis. I know it is a full moon like 10 minute before someone who has this draw distance thing /score.
I could make an argument about lighting. Some zones are meant to be dark by design. Someone with a lighting enhancement could see a mob where someone without it would not. I mean sometimes it is very hard to miss a mob with a big name over it head, but .. ya know flees. Someone with enhansed lighting might see them bouncing around when others can. I know someone could just adjust their monitor's brightness. It is not the strongest argument I have.
Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.
This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.
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NotArkardLord of the Rings Online CorrespondentMemberPosts: 164
Originally posted by ic0n67 I could make an argument about lighting. Some zones are meant to be dark by design. Someone with a lighting enhancement could see a mob where someone without it would not. I mean sometimes it is very hard to miss a mob with a big name over it head, but .. ya know flees. Someone with enhansed lighting might see them bouncing around when others can. I know someone could just adjust their monitor's brightness. It is not the strongest argument I have.
You know, I've never said this before on the internet, but I've never experienced anything where it would be appropriate. Until now.
Here goes:
/facepalm
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Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.
This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.
It isn't that SE won't moderize it. It is that SE has looked at it and deemed it something they do not want to implement. It is their game and they have made the choice not to do it, if they did, it would be in the game by now. Also you have to look into the price of adding the component and then redistubting the code.
Also, CAN you add it to PS2. Does the system allow for such a change. If they added it to the PC version and not the 360 and PS2 version it is creating the same unfair advantage between systems and thus is a problem.
Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.
This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.
It isn't that SE won't moderize it. It is that SE has looked at it and deemed it something they do not want to implement. It is their game and they have made the choice not to do it, if they did, it would be in the game by now. Also you have to look into the price of adding the component and then redistubting the code.
Also, CAN you add it to PS2. Does the system allow for such a change. If they added it to the PC version and not the 360 and PS2 version it is creating the same unfair advantage between systems and thus is a problem.
and also:
W00T I POPPED SOMEONE /FACEPLAM CHERRY!!!!!
The stuff in red is a very good point, thing is I have no idea... As for price, come on now it would not be that big of deal to add something so small to any game let alone something run by SE, at least on a PC. And how to you know Square has already looked at it? I haven't kept up with interviews so i might have missed it.
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NotArkardLord of the Rings Online CorrespondentMemberPosts: 164
It's not about development price, it's about the PS2's limited technology. If it wasn't for that, this game would probably have DX10, water rippling effects, support resolutions of 20,000,000x20,000,000, and you'd be able to move your character by attaching movement sensors to your body.
So thanks, PS2.
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Umm .. .yeah I do know they promote add-ons. I think I said that they allow them. Yup ... I read what I wrote I did say it. Please review, it is a nice read.
But just to use your examples ... a threat meter. Now I don't know exactly what it is ... but I am going to venture a guess that it is some guage that shows the ammount of emnity a creature has towards a player, probably compares it to others in the party or raid. Is that right? Assuming i'm right, are you saying that a tank that is using a threat meter would not have an advantage over a tank that doesn't? So a tank sees his emnity dipping or watching a healers eminty increase and knows he has to spam some moves to get back on top of the emity curve. So this guy doesn't have an advantage over the guy next to him that doesn't have this add on and thus has to rely on instinct and experience to guage his own emnity?
I don't see how you couldn't say that there is an unfair advantage here (again assuming I'm right about the add-on). Or is it the other tanks fault for not using this tool. This is the kinda thing I rip on my friends about. That they can't keep track of their own emnity enough that they need think to do it for them. I am sure there are plenty of other example that are out there that could prove my point, but since I don't have a vast knowledge of WoW's add-on system I'm at a little of a disadvantage. That isn't an benign as a damage parcer or the abiilty to see the going price of an item on the Auction House.
But you see ... this is all a moot point because as we both have stated now WoW allows this to happen. The issue here is we are in FFXI now where it is not, it is against the Terms of Service that you agreed to each and every time you log into the game. If SE wanted the game to do the things that windower does they would have added them already. As they are not they create an unfair advantage to a player that is not using them (especially apperent, but not limited to the console versons of the game). Anything that goes against these ToS would be considered cheating. So ... I'm gonna have to thrown the later part of your quote above right back at ya.
Bottom line of this argument is clearly: never make MMOs for consoles. Part of what made WoW so popular, I think, is the fact that you could customize your gameplay any way you wanted. Want pink ribbons all over your hotkeys? You got 'em.
You can't even change the damn font in FFXI without having to tear into some .DATs. It's outdated game design, to be honest.
Developers these days(smart ones) realize that game communities CAN make their games better than their own developers. That's why the best games out there are games that can be heavily modded(Fallout 3, Oblivion, Morrowind, etc.). It increases the value of a game a thousandfold. They know if people want to replace Mario with a hooker, they will. So why not just sell them the game, toss the SDK their way, and let them do it?
The future of all gaming, MMOs included, lies within the communities and the additions they provide to the game. A good example is Titan Quest. When IronLore closed down, the community basically took over development of the game. To this day the community still produce patches, fixes bugs, and offers support, even though the company no longer exists.
Whatever decision is made in the end to use third-party tools should be done only after you've had a chance to do your own research. Test these tools out and see if you like them. There's uneducated people on both sides of the third-party tool argument for FFXI, for sure. WoW addons reached the point where they would play the game for you, and so they are an awful example of modding.
Even with all the possible plugins the Windower offers, I don't think anyone can say it automates every function of the game. If you do think that, then you truly have no idea what you're talking about.
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made an article about this thread hope you guys dont mind.
http://www.linkshells.com/blogs/2009/2/20/m5024528/Is_windower_illegal/
I think I'll say something you all want to say but nobody has said it.
Icon, shut the hell up. Get a life, stop camping these forums, nobody likes reading your 5 paragraph opinionated pieces of trash. I only read two and I decided to write this. Maybe you need to get laid more; or did your attitude result in your wife cheating on you with somebody who has less of an ego?
kthxbai.
Well I'll keep it down to a one paragraph summary then: I'm right.
No one has been banned because of using Windower, iirc.
And for those of you against it (clowns) there are many reasons why Windower is the better choice over S-E's Window mode.
SE's window mode looks horrible, you can't maximize it properly.. even when you make the window maximized you can still see the stupid Windows bar at the top and your taskbar/system tray at the bottom.
With Windower however, you can play in true-fullscreen (no windows bar) and still alt tab... not to mention draw distance, 100x better screenshots and the good ole party TP display.
if SE want people to stop using Windower, they need to enhance their game. Make fullscreen not crash when people alt tab... let PC users increase their draw distance.. and FFS implement DirectX9, not only will the game look 10x better but it will remove all the issues with newer cards.
8 series have soo many problems with FFXI it's not even funny.
I heard a while back that windower was the cause of some accounts being stolen...
Any truth to that?
No.
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I have heard the opposite, direct from people who have been hacked. Apperently there was some plug-in that cause some people problems, not the program itself. Interesting enough that soon after this news is when SE put out its very first mass message saying not to use 3rd party tools.
Yeah, but not the windower itself. I've only heard of the hacking through malware on websites and such. If people were using plug-ins they weren't suppose to, then serves them right (although I don't really approve of any of the plug-ins for the most part).
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This is correct. It was a piece of malware found on some popular sites(ffxiah.com, somepage, etc). It wasn't the sites that posted the malware, it just managed to sneak in there.
As always, it was just another case of internet darwinism. Only total dumbasses got their accounts stolen. The internet-savvy didn't.
This may be obvious, but don't download plug-ins from any website other than the Windower's. In fact, don't download the Windower or its plug-ins at all, because it is illegal software. You WILL be arrested.
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TParty: Yup I like talking to people. The idea of the game is interacting with other people. Kinda like how you don't know who has a quest for you or not until you ask. It is supposed to simulate real life, that is the point of ALL of Final Fantasy. Normal people put into a world of extrodinary things. Speaking as a BLM here ... the game was better back in the day when people would worry about TP and try and skill chain b/c it was more fun for me. Skill Chaining is a lot art (at least on Asura) coridinating attack is something that no one does with or without the plug in.
And yes I do endgame. I honestly forget if you were around for beta or how long you were in the game your first time through. Chances are I was doing endgame long before you; remember I'm the old shit. And yes ... all my macros have 6 or less lines in them. (EDIT: come to think of it the most I might have is 5)
The thing you are missing about the whole plug in thing isn't that SE won't put these enhancements in. It is they aren't supposed to be there in the first place. That is why it is cheating. "No really poker would be so much better with 8 Aces. That is why I put 4 others up my sleeve. That isn't cheating" "Baseball would great if eveyone was hitting a homerun so lets juice. That isn't cheating" "Honey you are on the rag this week, and i'm honry so I hooked up with my ex for the night. That isn't cheating" ... get the idea or do I have to come up with more anaolgies to prove my point? If they wanted to add them they would have added them.
Let me see if I got this right. Draw distance. This will increase distance out that your game will see things. So things like buildings, mobs, npcs, players etc that would normally not be seen by me because they are too far away would be seen by you if you are standing right next to me. That's correct right?
Personally I'm proud to do the shit that I can do or the shit that I have done without something assisting me to do so. Quite frankly it starts to boarder on pathetic to need to rely on a a third party tool to play a game.
And just to state the obvious here. PS2/3 and Xbox do not get these plugins. Anything that enhanses the game mechanics to give one person an advantage over another is cheating. A person using windower knows another party members TP or can swap 10 pieces of gear at once, or can look through a wall to see a mob thus it is cheating. If you disagree you are wrong.
Draw distance does NOT increase the extent to which you can see mobs. Only Landscapes.
ONLY LANDSCAPES.
Period.
I suppose you think the IME addon is cheating too, allowing japanese speakers in North America to be able to type in Japanese characters and better communicate with JP.
Obviously SE intended everyone to use Auto translate (or romaji, if u are completely pig headed), to speak to JP, and if you understand Japanese, you should be limited to this mechanic, because using Japanese on an english client is CHEATING.
Wrong.
Just don't talk about using it in game and you'll be fine.
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About the draw distance:
Well ... that is what I was asking. Obviously I don't use it so obviously I didn't know what it did. If you read people responses to me asking there was a lot that was said that could go either way. Like someone mentioned objects; what are objects? Are the the mountains in the background? Are they the trees in the midground? Are they the NPCs? The mobs? It is like trying to explain what a computer is to a member of some amazon tribe. So you ask more questions. Okay landscapes ... thank you for the info. Now my question becomes is seeing a mountain a second sooner than the next guy really a turn off that NEED the increased draw distance? Does a nice pair of c-cups not do it for you either?
About the rest:
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. What are you using as an example? Something that allows you to type Kanji in an English verson of the game? I can understand you like the program and thus attempting to defend it, but when you pick out one of the most benign aspect as your flagship argument. My arguments against it is that it will create an unfair advatnage. Just like making the game windowable, this would be benign, it is the plug-ins that the programs comes with and is an anvenue to build and or download other plug-ins that causes an unfair advantage. If you really wanna type in Japanese have yourself a blast. I'll continue to use the auto-translate because 1) I don't know Japanese outside of a few words and 2) I actually might be talking to someone that doesn't speak english or japanese.
anything use of 3rd party tools are illegal but I believe sometime ago, they had interview /w SE saying that you will not get banned for windower.
however, there is no way of SE to find out unless someone reports them(somehow windower user admitting that he was using 1)
windower can be very handy tool. I used it and it is extremely handy.
now.. why windower or 'window mode' is bad?
well window mode opens whole new possility,easier to hack client/packets/programs or addon for ffxi.
newb with few knowlege can sniff packets and use it in-game while they can't make FFXI window mode to do this. Simply due to making 'window mode' require actual programming.
most of these hacks.. claim hacks.. fishing hack.. ffxiapp.. 'ffxihelper... ffxi AH camper... and most famouse of FFXI ASSIST..etc were made after windower was made. =/ as you can already see the impact on this.
now SE heard enough complains.. and gave up for this protection. GG.
About the draw distance:
Well ... that is what I was asking. Obviously I don't use it so obviously I didn't know what it did. If you read people responses to me asking there was a lot that was said that could go either way. Like someone mentioned objects; what are objects? Are the the mountains in the background? Are they the trees in the midground? Are they the NPCs? The mobs? It is like trying to explain what a computer is to a member of some amazon tribe. So you ask more questions. Okay landscapes ... thank you for the info. Now my question becomes is seeing a mountain a second sooner than the next guy really a turn off that NEED the increased draw distance? Does a nice pair of c-cups not do it for you either?
About the rest:
I have no idea what the fuck you just said. What are you using as an example? Something that allows you to type Kanji in an English verson of the game? I can understand you like the program and thus attempting to defend it, but when you pick out one of the most benign aspect as your flagship argument. My arguments against it is that it will create an unfair advatnage. Just like making the game windowable, this would be benign, it is the plug-ins that the programs comes with and is an anvenue to build and or download other plug-ins that causes an unfair advantage. If you really wanna type in Japanese have yourself a blast. I'll continue to use the auto-translate because 1) I don't know Japanese outside of a few words and 2) I actually might be talking to someone that doesn't speak english or japanese.
My argument is , yes, some aspects like TParty were not intended for the game and should not be included in the windower. But, the game being windowable is not the only aspect of windower that is a pure enhancement to the game and not a 'cheat'. Draw distance, IME plugins, the plugin that puts in sort of a Diablo II Lighting radius. an EXP/Hour count. These do not affect gameplay and are not cheats.
The draw distance increase is only on objects that are included in landscapes and thus is, as you said, benign (anybody who refutes this and says it is on mobs as well is just wrong, mob appearance runs separately from landscape appearance, so., as bill nye would say, NOWWW YOU KNOWWW
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Also, you say that someone is going to see a mountain a second later... actually, with windower's draw distance you can effectively see the entire zone (though some, like Valkurm, get cut off at far distances), there is essentially no landscape drawing as you walk except on bloom effects and mip maps. It makes the game look much more modern.
A set of C-cups will do just nicely, thank you for asking. Not too big, not too small. :O
Could someone explain to me how seeing someone's TP is possibly cheating? So you can see how close people are to be able to chain in numbers, and, and what?
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First, we need a definition of a Cheat:
My definition: Any addon, plugin, third party tool, etc. that ALTERS your gameplay mechanics and play style to such a playstyle that could not have been attained without use of the addon. TParty does this, macro line increasing does this. Draw distance does not, Japanese writing plugs do not, lighting does not... etc.)
now:
Its not a huge cheat that breaks the game.
Its not really a big deal.
But, square did not want you to be able to see other peoples TP and intended Skillchaining to be on a chatting basis. Really, I prefer Tparty and although think it is a little over the border of cheating, I use it; because:
Creating skillchains by chatting is awesome if everyone feels like talking and working together and even with TParty I make an extensive effort to do so, and if i CAN do so, I will ignore TParty altogether, because it is uneccessary. but, I frequently get mutes that don't pay attention to me saying skill chains. So i can see when they have TP and just SC off them whether they like it or not... *spits*.
I don't want to see any more of Valkrum than they game initially allows me to. I know just the place for the Vana'deil N-Bomb testing. And tell me it isn't cool when you see the moon through where buildings should be in Dynamis. I know it is a full moon like 10 minute before someone who has this draw distance thing /score.
I could make an argument about lighting. Some zones are meant to be dark by design. Someone with a lighting enhancement could see a mob where someone without it would not. I mean sometimes it is very hard to miss a mob with a big name over it head, but .. ya know flees. Someone with enhansed lighting might see them bouncing around when others can. I know someone could just adjust their monitor's brightness. It is not the strongest argument I have.
This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.
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You know, I've never said this before on the internet, but I've never experienced anything where it would be appropriate. Until now.
Here goes:
/facepalm
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This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.
It isn't that SE won't moderize it. It is that SE has looked at it and deemed it something they do not want to implement. It is their game and they have made the choice not to do it, if they did, it would be in the game by now. Also you have to look into the price of adding the component and then redistubting the code.
Also, CAN you add it to PS2. Does the system allow for such a change. If they added it to the PC version and not the 360 and PS2 version it is creating the same unfair advantage between systems and thus is a problem.
and also:
W00T I POPPED SOMEONE /FACEPLAM CHERRY!!!!!
This is why I wonder why it's not a part of the game, while chatting and the macroing system works well if you know what you are doing I can see new people not being aware how it goes even at level 40.... It's been forever since I partied myself, my thought is to wonder why SE takes an age and a half to modernize their game. Though I appreciate all the content they add reguarly on the flip side.
It isn't that SE won't moderize it. It is that SE has looked at it and deemed it something they do not want to implement. It is their game and they have made the choice not to do it, if they did, it would be in the game by now. Also you have to look into the price of adding the component and then redistubting the code.
Also, CAN you add it to PS2. Does the system allow for such a change. If they added it to the PC version and not the 360 and PS2 version it is creating the same unfair advantage between systems and thus is a problem.
and also:
W00T I POPPED SOMEONE /FACEPLAM CHERRY!!!!!
The stuff in red is a very good point, thing is I have no idea... As for price, come on now it would not be that big of deal to add something so small to any game let alone something run by SE, at least on a PC. And how to you know Square has already looked at it? I haven't kept up with interviews so i might have missed it.
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It's not about development price, it's about the PS2's limited technology. If it wasn't for that, this game would probably have DX10, water rippling effects, support resolutions of 20,000,000x20,000,000, and you'd be able to move your character by attaching movement sensors to your body.
So thanks, PS2.
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