Any opinions on Age of Conan, or any game for that matter, are purely subjective. Therefore you have to wonder why people who claim to dislike a game go to such great lengths to criticise it and yet never provide constructive criticism.
Primarily, people who slam this game:
a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised.
b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to.
c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better.
d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have.
Just ignore them.
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I played this game on a slow computer when it first came out and naturally it ran very slowly, but I liked what i saw. Recently I got a good not a top of line but good computer and it runs flawlessly on high settings, in fact it runs much better that VG or Lotro ( extreme hitching and occasional hitching) . this game along with City of heroes has the best combat along with the best graphics ( thats aoc not city of heroes graphics), i think combat is one the most inportant reasons to play a game. the combat moves quickly and animations are excellent. Lotro has boring combat which is to bad cause the story is great, I also like the storyl ine in aoc. I just started getting into crafting and it seems a bit of a chore although not much different than most except VG which is very good with diplomacy added, however crafting to me has always been secondary to combat.
What little pvp i have been in is a lot like other games. Guild wars has the best pvp and it is free. If you dont have a good comuter than this game is not for you , yes you can play in 2.0 reduced graphics but then the game looks blah.
I dont know , I have playedd many games and this just seems to have something which makes me keeep playing , EQ 2 was fun for a while but there seemed to be something depressing about it-aoc has a more vibrant world. EVE looked cool but it takes way to much to get into it and i am more of a casual player. WOW to me is a perfect description of Vanilla and average fun. Some of the games you need to group to level up and I like to play solo and only group when i have to so those games ( im looking at you ffx11) are not for me. This game seems to have the perfect mix of combat , graphics, some pvp , some crafting and solo friendly and it just has a cool factor which some people get and others dont.
What I cant understand is when people write in and say I hated this game from the begining but I wanted to play it to level 80 to see if it got better LOL, HELLO why would you torture yourself , if it aint good at level 22 it prob wont be good at level 80.
So that is my rant about why I like the game, with all the games i have played this one is the most fun for me.
Primarily, people who slam this game: a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised. b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to. c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better. d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have. Just ignore them.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
Primarily, people who slam this game: a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised. b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to. c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better. d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have. Just ignore them.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
He has four options of what "type" of person posts hate and trolling flames. You're math (90%? dur dur dur) is flawed.
Why do you feel the need to belittle the game you don't like? There's zero constructive feedback abdout WHY you dislike it, or as you say "everyone does" (more stupid and flawed generalizations). B/c if I asked 10 people, and those 10 people said it "sucked" or it was "good", I'd follow up with "why" and if their answer was as small minded as some of the pathedic driblle and short tempered tirades that this cesspool of a forum produces (both positive and negative), I'd want to spit on them.
So, instead of coming to these forums w/ nothing to add, go post on your game of choice's forums and let those that like this game defend it how ever they see fit.
I think the main problem on these forums is the divided camps that post on here. You have the people who played on launch and quit after bad experiences and the people who play it now and have experienced no where near the lvl of bugs,memory leaks,etc that the original players had to go through. The original players wont go near AoC on principle (their right) and continue to post about the game as they remember it.The new players defend AoC because in their opinion it is nothing like the originals portray it to be and therefore consider it misleading to new players. Since I started playing the game I have found it to be a pleasant change from the usual grindfests I have experienced over the years.You can pop on for a couple of hours,run a few quests,etc and it doesnt feel like you will be left behind if you dont rack up the lvls asap. The guild I am in on Crom has roughly 25-35 people on every night and more on weekends,I have noticed a major increase in people available to team with,do instances,etc but this is probably down to the server merge,although there are quite a lot of people asking questions in global so I think new people joining has increased a bit too. (www.game.co.uk were selling the collectors edition for £10 so that may have something to do with it lol,worth a tenner just for the artwork book imo). There seems to be regular updates with bug fixes and the game runs smooth as silk for me 60ms+ latency and 55fps+ with gfx maxed.Can honestly say it's the least laggy game I have ever played. I appreciate a lot of you had problems in the past when it launched but that's water under the bridge,the game is a lot different to the one you experienced but I can understand you not wanting to go near it ever again.BUT in my opinion that doesnt justify some of the hate posts we have seen on these forums. I have never been on a forum where a companies assets and financial reports have been picked apart and help up for ridicule in all my years of gaming. There are factual informative posts based on experience and then there are malicious vindictive sly posts where the only purpose is to stir up trouble,misinform,etc. I have posted this based on my ingame experiences,I have played a lot of MMO's over the years,korean grindfests,CoH,SWG,Myth of Soma,Lineage,EVE,etc so I have a good idea whats good or not good.AoC at the moment is a good game striving to be a great game. They seem to be trying to sort out the issues that get mentioned here regularly,these things take time though but hopefully they will get fixed in the future I will still be playing anyway
I totally agree as I am on Crom too and can`t say that I have any problem finding groups to do dungeons.I started playing in Dec after I dumped WAR due to boredom and had the feeling I was playing an FPS game with multi option.SInce Dec I have never had any problem with the game.So those who are still spitting their venom and is not playing listen to this podcast.
Yeah I think the best opinion sample is the 75% of the people who played it have left in less than a year.
Sure, except that it's an opinion sample regarding the state of the game at the time they left. I've yet to see anyone dispute how screwed up it was back then. I'm sure that of recent new subscribers, retention has improved dramatically.
The problem is getting new subscribers, when the game itself is no longer new. Most of AoC's potential subscriber base has already come, gone, and won't be looking back, but that doesn't speak to the current quality of the game at all.
As a side note, I don't think these people complaining about the state of the endgame are esxactly typical either. I might be wrong, but suspect that most of that "75%" were casuals who barely made it past Tortage, if they were even able to get the game working at all. I mean, to lose that many players, we've got to be talking about lots of average casual types, who must have left before they even levelled much at all, right?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Primarily, people who slam this game: a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised. b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to. c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better. d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have. Just ignore them.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Ahh the magic unconfirmed 90% rears its head again.
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
Same as every game out there.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
Tried it,was 50/50 split.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
What I find strange behaviour is that all of your posts are against AoC,why do you care?
Why do you feel the need to come here and slate the game? If you hate it dont play it..simple really.
Shame those that left don't really want to know, or accept the consensus overall is that it is a better product. Rather it works best in their mind to continue to think its the worst game ever as typically they are scared of change. I mean why not change to another game / forum, oh no, can't possibly move on like normal people do. You don't keep ringing an ex girlfriend because you look silly.
I think most probably just don't care. They're too busy playing something new to wonder about some old game that sucked months ago. Funcom's best bet would be to send out emails inviting people who quit to come back for a free two week trial, or something along those lines. Maybe they will with 1.05...
edit: oh, you mean the people who hang out here, because they do care, and are paying attention. Yeah, I don't get it, either. I complained about WAR for a while in that forum, but it wasn't like I was trying to turn anyone away from the game. Just vented for a few days and moved on (to AoC)
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I've gotta say, the AoC forums just wouldn't be what we have all come to know and love if it weren't for the people who hate it. They pump sooooo much blood into the forum, it's making me bleed..
The haters actually do help, I mean they can help people decide if they wanna play or not....
When I started playing, the fanboyz told me things they liked, so I knew what was good in the game, but the haters told me what to watch out for and be wary of.........
I'll admit, I come on to these forums and trash talk to the haters who just wanna hate....but I respect those who merely state their opinion and tell new players what sucks about the game....
PLAYING: NOTHING!!! PLAYED:FFXI, LotRO, AoC, WAR, DDO, Megaten, Wurm, Rohan, Mabinogi, RoM
all mmos are crap if you compare them to ff series suikden or metal gear etc lolz
Okay, in your opinion....
I'll say, I am a huge FF fan...they are definitely my favorite console titles....FF XII offered so much to do, so much customization, you could make any of the characters exactly how you wanted with the Licenses....but....we are not talking about single player games here okay.....this is an MMO forum.
I used to be a diehard console gamer, that is, until I played my first MMO (which happened to be FFXI)......it changed my views on gaming forever.....
There is a wide line between a single player console title, and an MMO........I happen to love MMOs way more, I mean, you beat a single player RPG, and you're done.........but you never really "beat" an MMO.......this is just my opinion......I mean, like I said, this is an MMO forum.......we aren't talking about single player console games.
PLAYING: NOTHING!!! PLAYED:FFXI, LotRO, AoC, WAR, DDO, Megaten, Wurm, Rohan, Mabinogi, RoM
WAITING FOR: Dust 514
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by Vhaln
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Shame those that left don't really want to know, or accept the consensus overall is that it is a better product. Rather it works best in their mind to continue to think its the worst game ever as typically they are scared of change. I mean why not change to another game / forum, oh no, can't possibly move on like normal people do. You don't keep ringing an ex girlfriend because you look silly.
I think most probably just don't care. They're too busy playing something new to wonder about some old game that sucked months ago. Funcom's best bet would be to send out emails inviting people who quit to come back for a free two week trial, or something along those lines. Maybe they will with 1.05...
edit: oh, you mean the people who hang out here, because they do care, and are paying attention. Yeah, I don't get it, either. I complained about WAR for a while in that forum, but it wasn't like I was trying to turn anyone away from the game. Just vented for a few days and moved on (to AoC)
Yes, there is nothing wrong with venting, but asking for a refund from a purchase you made 8 months ago is well I have some strong words for that. Anyway, it would be nice if those that played all so long ago could come back as see the physical changes. No one is saying the core of the game has changed, it is what it is but the quality within has been upgraded a few times. Thing is even if there were free trials I have no doubt that I can name the same people on one hand who post here would continue to say the same thing as they do now. It is a bad habit, a negative addicition and pretty unhealthy I'm sure. It is sad to see people waste their time like that.
Oh btw out of those people on 1 hand, we know that 1 of them = 20 of them
Posts don't get deleted just becuase they are about AoC , they get posted on other game forums aswell for all sorts of reasons.
I'm not concerned if someone has a grudge against a game, becuase we use out common sense and see that the poster has an axe to grind and needs to vent their frustrations somewhere, so their opinions mostly won't sway anyone.
Objective reveiws are all that would concern me about a game, if a trusted source can give me the pro's and con's of an MMO without being caught up in the hype of the game then even better, I certainly don't base my judgement on someone who says "The game sucks cos I lag'd like hell, end of story", I want facts and I want an unbiased opinion of a game.
If you ignore those ppl who hate the game just becuase of it's developer and haven't even tried the game or try to pass themselves off as having done so just becuase they saw a friend of a friend play it in beta, then ignore the ppl who will give up their first born child to the game then you might stand a chance of getting to find out what the game is about.
This isn't just for AoC it's for all MMO's and games out there.
Primarily, people who slam this game: a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised. b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to. c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better. d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have. Just ignore them.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
To answer your first question: No.
I originally quit AoC myself after about a month, due to the fact I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't what I had hoped for so I left. I didn't post any negative threads on forums about it, but if I had they would have been either a. a clear statement of fact, or b. explicitly categorised as 'My opinion only'.
So, someone who quits a game they dislike is not a spoilt brat, they're just exercising they're freedom of choice and these are not the people I'm criticising.
The people I am criticising are the people who quit a month after launch and continue to slam the game months later when they either have no idea what the current state of the game or just make baseless, pointless remarks to undermine the game.
And why should I care what other people think of AoC? If they think it sucks, that's their perogative. There are games that I think suck. However, I don't jump on the WoW forum for example and type-up 2000 word essays calling the game every name under the sun, describing players who enjoy the game as mentally challenged, question the sexual preferences of the GMs, threaten to nuke the developers head office, etc. I think it's reasonable to let people try the game and decide for themselves, simply because they may have different preferences to me.
What I find tolerable, others may not be able to stand at all, and vice versa. The most objective and constructive criticism usually comes from people who start their posts "I really love this game and can't wait to get to level XX, but...". They have no interest in being unreasonable and just provide an unbiased overview of issues.
And why do I care?
I care simply because I like this game and don't want nice players put-off playing by some hard-bitten gimp with a grudge, an attitude and a sharp tongue. Why? Because the player-base is what makes or breaks every MMO. Put players off = no new players join = game dies. I know some well meaning people will say "Ah, but intelligent people will just disregard stupid rants and make up their own mind" but in reality this isn't always the case. If all the evidence you have to go on is negative, it's likely you will avoid something regardless of how incredulous the evidence is. So when you diss my game, you undermine it's player-base, which in turn weakens the game, which reduces the lifespan of something I enjoy being part of. I'm not defending the game for Funcom, I'm defending it for myself.
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Primarily, people who slam this game: a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised. b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to. c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better. d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have. Just ignore them.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
To answer your first question: No.
I originally quit AoC myself after about a month, due to the fact I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't what I had hoped for so I left. I didn't post any negative threads on forums about it, but if I had they would have been either a. a clear statement of fact, or b. explicitly categorised as 'My opinion only'.
So, someone who quits a game they dislike is not a spoilt brat, they're just exercising they're freedom of choice and these are not the people I'm criticising.
The people I am criticising are the people who quit a month after launch and continue to slam the game months later when they either have no idea what the current state of the game or just make baseless, pointless remarks to undermine the game.
And why should I care what other people think of AoC? If they think it sucks, that's their perogative. There are games that I think suck. However, I don't jump on the WoW forum for example and type-up 2000 word essays calling the game every name under the sun, describing players who enjoy the game as mentally challenged, question the sexual preferences of the GMs, threaten to nuke the developers head office, etc. I think it's reasonable to let people try the game and decide for themselves, simply because they may have different preferences to me.
What I find tolerable, others may not be able to stand at all, and vice versa. The most objective and constructive criticism usually comes from people who start their posts "I really love this game and can't wait to get to level XX, but...". They have no interest in being unreasonable and just provide an unbiased overview of issues.
And why do I care?
I care simply because I like this game and don't want nice players put-off playing by some hard-bitten gimp with a grudge, an attitude and a sharp tongue. Why? Because the player-base is what makes or breaks every MMO. Put players off = no new players join = game dies. I know some well meaning people will say "Ah, but intelligent people will just disregard stupid rants and make up their own mind" but in reality this isn't always the case. If all the evidence you have to go on is negative, it's likely you will avoid something regardless of how incredulous the evidence is. So when you diss my game, you undermine it's player-base, which in turn weakens the game, which reduces the lifespan of something I enjoy being part of. I'm not defending the game for Funcom, I'm defending it for myself.
Well said. I am not against anyone who has an issue with the game. It is the constant pop into every thread with some note of positive discussion, and bringing it down due to a comment that offers no reason.
The forums exist to discuss the game ...good or bad. I have posted here when I enjoy something, or I post here when I am upset (example being the DX10 removal on the TL servers, which thanks to a well placed discussion I put here and on TL forums opened the Devs eyes, and got a quick answer, and a fix to the issue, by not removing DX10 anymore without a notice...)
And this is what we try to do. Discuss the game in the best manner possible.
I have never said the game is perfect There are people who are enamored with Tortage that they cannot help but post anywhere that the game is just plain awesome. Let them do it. Let them then get past 20 and see if that vision of awesome holds up. I enjoy anything AFTER 20, and many others will. But, then the discussion can be more fulfilling by talking about the problems and looking to get them solved (again, in the case of another bug I found, and kept in the eye of the company here and on the AoC forums called the Midnight bug...it was fixed the following patch..)
That is what works. Solutions are presented when conversation is civil. The "Game sucks" attitude solves nothing. Be more informative, and state your exact issues. You would be surprised how much better threads would roll with decent conversation.
AoC was a failure. That remains to be seen, a rocky start does not a failure make... if Vantard: Saga of Suckass can still be breathing there is lots of hope for AoC AoC is not the worst game ever. AoC is a good game with some inexcusable and devastating flaws: #1: Worst itemization for an MMO, period. How is this bad? I loved that about it, I am sick to death of the EQ/WoW paradigm of your character meaning nothing except a clothes horse for you to hang your fat loot on... #2: Horrible nerfing/buffing without sense. Yeah kinda, people have been saying lots of good things about classes that were unplayable at first, but ToS has and is OP and nothing seems to want to happen to change that... #3: Incredibly buggy early on. Not just "buggy". But horribly buggy. There is a difference of what the playerbase will tolerate and AoC crossed it. It wasn't so bad for me, this is very subjective... I had hardly any at all, and I was playing on a Nvidia 6600 that had custom graphics settings that I started on medium and just backed down a few things... on a single core AMD 754 pin proc... 3.2ghz but still..1g of ram. #4: VERY limited endgame. I am sooooo fucking sick of people craiing about this, it was always a game for casuals/adults, if you burned through the content and found nothing at the end that was YOUR bad for not enjoying the ride... now granted they should have had a lot more high end content on release, and if they planned on patching it in while people leveled, the grossly underestimated the lack of lives in the MMO community, AND this STILL should have patched it in sooner... but meh... it wasn't THAT big of a deal to me. #5: Barebones crafting/trading/ranking/guild systems. All of this stuff was rudimentary and quite mediocre. True #6: Major bugs and rampant cheating. Especially early on...money hacks that Funcom was advised of lasted weeks instead of days. Yeah Great graphics, great sound, an interesting world, tortage was great, quests were pretty good, zone design was good. But the flaws mask the qualities. Lit
But most of that is all fixed now...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
There is no doubt the hate train rides hard here in the AoC forums...but, I think I would rather be AoC than Darkfall which is even under more scrutiny. And then lets not even talk about two games shutting doors so far this year, with Hellgate and Tabula Rasa.
I agree
AOC was not my worse mmo ever
I didnt subscriber to AOC but I did not regret buying the game, I'll resub someday in the future
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That's because those few who like aoc try to convince the rest how great it is.
Most that don't like aoc don't waste the time to write it down.
Aoc is a boring game.
I had some time to waste
That's because those few who like aoc try to convince the rest how great it is.
Most that don't like aoc don't waste the time to write it down.
Aoc is a boring game.
I had some time to waste
Yeah I think the best opinion sample is the 75% of the people who played it have left in less than a year.
This game was shit now it is THE "shit"! Try it!
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That's because those few who like aoc try to convince the rest how great it is.
Most that don't like aoc don't waste the time to write it down.
Aoc is a boring game.
I had some time to waste
I don't have time to waste, but I will take a moment to say I feel that you are wrong, and that the game is not boring to me.
Cheers
Any opinions on Age of Conan, or any game for that matter, are purely subjective. Therefore you have to wonder why people who claim to dislike a game go to such great lengths to criticise it and yet never provide constructive criticism.
Primarily, people who slam this game:
a. Feel like they didn't get something they were promised.
b. Hate others enjoying something they can't/don't want to.
c. Try to spoil the experience for people who enjoy the game to make themselves feel better.
d. Are spoilt brats who can't stand it when someone else has something they want but can't have.
Just ignore them.
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~ ragequitcancelsubdeletegamesmashcomputerkillself ~
I played this game on a slow computer when it first came out and naturally it ran very slowly, but I liked what i saw. Recently I got a good not a top of line but good computer and it runs flawlessly on high settings, in fact it runs much better that VG or Lotro ( extreme hitching and occasional hitching) . this game along with City of heroes has the best combat along with the best graphics ( thats aoc not city of heroes graphics), i think combat is one the most inportant reasons to play a game. the combat moves quickly and animations are excellent. Lotro has boring combat which is to bad cause the story is great, I also like the storyl ine in aoc. I just started getting into crafting and it seems a bit of a chore although not much different than most except VG which is very good with diplomacy added, however crafting to me has always been secondary to combat.
What little pvp i have been in is a lot like other games. Guild wars has the best pvp and it is free. If you dont have a good comuter than this game is not for you , yes you can play in 2.0 reduced graphics but then the game looks blah.
I dont know , I have playedd many games and this just seems to have something which makes me keeep playing , EQ 2 was fun for a while but there seemed to be something depressing about it-aoc has a more vibrant world. EVE looked cool but it takes way to much to get into it and i am more of a casual player. WOW to me is a perfect description of Vanilla and average fun. Some of the games you need to group to level up and I like to play solo and only group when i have to so those games ( im looking at you ffx11) are not for me. This game seems to have the perfect mix of combat , graphics, some pvp , some crafting and solo friendly and it just has a cool factor which some people get and others dont.
What I cant understand is when people write in and say I hated this game from the begining but I wanted to play it to level 80 to see if it got better LOL, HELLO why would you torture yourself , if it aint good at level 22 it prob wont be good at level 80.
So that is my rant about why I like the game, with all the games i have played this one is the most fun for me.
This.
If Conan were here he would slay funcom execs.....
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
He has four options of what "type" of person posts hate and trolling flames. You're math (90%? dur dur dur) is flawed.
Why do you feel the need to belittle the game you don't like? There's zero constructive feedback abdout WHY you dislike it, or as you say "everyone does" (more stupid and flawed generalizations). B/c if I asked 10 people, and those 10 people said it "sucked" or it was "good", I'd follow up with "why" and if their answer was as small minded as some of the pathedic driblle and short tempered tirades that this cesspool of a forum produces (both positive and negative), I'd want to spit on them.
So, instead of coming to these forums w/ nothing to add, go post on your game of choice's forums and let those that like this game defend it how ever they see fit.
I totally agree as I am on Crom too and can`t say that I have any problem finding groups to do dungeons.I started playing in Dec after I dumped WAR due to boredom and had the feeling I was playing an FPS game with multi option.SInce Dec I have never had any problem with the game.So those who are still spitting their venom and is not playing listen to this podcast.
www.massively.com/2009/03/04/massively-speaking-podcast-episode-45/
In the land of Predators,the lion does not fear the jackals...
Sure, except that it's an opinion sample regarding the state of the game at the time they left. I've yet to see anyone dispute how screwed up it was back then. I'm sure that of recent new subscribers, retention has improved dramatically.
The problem is getting new subscribers, when the game itself is no longer new. Most of AoC's potential subscriber base has already come, gone, and won't be looking back, but that doesn't speak to the current quality of the game at all.
As a side note, I don't think these people complaining about the state of the endgame are esxactly typical either. I might be wrong, but suspect that most of that "75%" were casuals who barely made it past Tortage, if they were even able to get the game working at all. I mean, to lose that many players, we've got to be talking about lots of average casual types, who must have left before they even levelled much at all, right?
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Ahh the magic unconfirmed 90% rears its head again.
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
Same as every game out there.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
Tried it,was 50/50 split.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
What I find strange behaviour is that all of your posts are against AoC,why do you care?
Why do you feel the need to come here and slate the game? If you hate it dont play it..simple really.
Try some other games,plenty on here.
Gaming since 1985 and still going strong.
That's because those few who like aoc try to convince the rest how great it is.
Most that don't like aoc don't waste the time to write it down.
Aoc is a boring game.
I had some time to waste
I don't have time to waste, but I will take a moment to say I feel that you are wrong, and that the game is not boring to me.
Cheers
How can i be wrong because I think the game is boring?
And i resubbed in december and played roughly 2 weeks of my 2 month suscription and left the game again.
To never return
I think most probably just don't care. They're too busy playing something new to wonder about some old game that sucked months ago. Funcom's best bet would be to send out emails inviting people who quit to come back for a free two week trial, or something along those lines. Maybe they will with 1.05...
edit: oh, you mean the people who hang out here, because they do care, and are paying attention. Yeah, I don't get it, either. I complained about WAR for a while in that forum, but it wasn't like I was trying to turn anyone away from the game. Just vented for a few days and moved on (to AoC)
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
I've gotta say, the AoC forums just wouldn't be what we have all come to know and love if it weren't for the people who hate it. They pump sooooo much blood into the forum, it's making me bleed..
The haters actually do help, I mean they can help people decide if they wanna play or not....
When I started playing, the fanboyz told me things they liked, so I knew what was good in the game, but the haters told me what to watch out for and be wary of.........
I'll admit, I come on to these forums and trash talk to the haters who just wanna hate....but I respect those who merely state their opinion and tell new players what sucks about the game....
PLAYING: NOTHING!!!
PLAYED:FFXI, LotRO, AoC, WAR, DDO, Megaten, Wurm, Rohan, Mabinogi, RoM
WAITING FOR: Dust 514
all mmos are crap if you compare them to ff series suikden or metal gear etc lolz
Okay, in your opinion....
I'll say, I am a huge FF fan...they are definitely my favorite console titles....FF XII offered so much to do, so much customization, you could make any of the characters exactly how you wanted with the Licenses....but....we are not talking about single player games here okay.....this is an MMO forum.
I used to be a diehard console gamer, that is, until I played my first MMO (which happened to be FFXI)......it changed my views on gaming forever.....
There is a wide line between a single player console title, and an MMO........I happen to love MMOs way more, I mean, you beat a single player RPG, and you're done.........but you never really "beat" an MMO.......this is just my opinion......I mean, like I said, this is an MMO forum.......we aren't talking about single player console games.
PLAYING: NOTHING!!!
PLAYED:FFXI, LotRO, AoC, WAR, DDO, Megaten, Wurm, Rohan, Mabinogi, RoM
WAITING FOR: Dust 514
I think most probably just don't care. They're too busy playing something new to wonder about some old game that sucked months ago. Funcom's best bet would be to send out emails inviting people who quit to come back for a free two week trial, or something along those lines. Maybe they will with 1.05...
edit: oh, you mean the people who hang out here, because they do care, and are paying attention. Yeah, I don't get it, either. I complained about WAR for a while in that forum, but it wasn't like I was trying to turn anyone away from the game. Just vented for a few days and moved on (to AoC)
Yes, there is nothing wrong with venting, but asking for a refund from a purchase you made 8 months ago is well I have some strong words for that. Anyway, it would be nice if those that played all so long ago could come back as see the physical changes. No one is saying the core of the game has changed, it is what it is but the quality within has been upgraded a few times. Thing is even if there were free trials I have no doubt that I can name the same people on one hand who post here would continue to say the same thing as they do now. It is a bad habit, a negative addicition and pretty unhealthy I'm sure. It is sad to see people waste their time like that.
Oh btw out of those people on 1 hand, we know that 1 of them = 20 of them
Posts don't get deleted just becuase they are about AoC
, they get posted on other game forums aswell for all sorts of reasons.
I'm not concerned if someone has a grudge against a game, becuase we use out common sense and see that the poster has an axe to grind and needs to vent their frustrations somewhere, so their opinions mostly won't sway anyone.
Objective reveiws are all that would concern me about a game, if a trusted source can give me the pro's and con's of an MMO without being caught up in the hype of the game then even better, I certainly don't base my judgement on someone who says "The game sucks cos I lag'd like hell, end of story", I want facts and I want an unbiased opinion of a game.
If you ignore those ppl who hate the game just becuase of it's developer and haven't even tried the game or try to pass themselves off as having done so just becuase they saw a friend of a friend play it in beta, then ignore the ppl who will give up their first born child to the game then you might stand a chance of getting to find out what the game is about.
This isn't just for AoC it's for all MMO's and games out there.
So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
To answer your first question: No.
I originally quit AoC myself after about a month, due to the fact I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't what I had hoped for so I left. I didn't post any negative threads on forums about it, but if I had they would have been either a. a clear statement of fact, or b. explicitly categorised as 'My opinion only'.
So, someone who quits a game they dislike is not a spoilt brat, they're just exercising they're freedom of choice and these are not the people I'm criticising.
The people I am criticising are the people who quit a month after launch and continue to slam the game months later when they either have no idea what the current state of the game or just make baseless, pointless remarks to undermine the game.
And why should I care what other people think of AoC? If they think it sucks, that's their perogative. There are games that I think suck. However, I don't jump on the WoW forum for example and type-up 2000 word essays calling the game every name under the sun, describing players who enjoy the game as mentally challenged, question the sexual preferences of the GMs, threaten to nuke the developers head office, etc. I think it's reasonable to let people try the game and decide for themselves, simply because they may have different preferences to me.
What I find tolerable, others may not be able to stand at all, and vice versa. The most objective and constructive criticism usually comes from people who start their posts "I really love this game and can't wait to get to level XX, but...". They have no interest in being unreasonable and just provide an unbiased overview of issues.
And why do I care?
I care simply because I like this game and don't want nice players put-off playing by some hard-bitten gimp with a grudge, an attitude and a sharp tongue. Why? Because the player-base is what makes or breaks every MMO. Put players off = no new players join = game dies. I know some well meaning people will say "Ah, but intelligent people will just disregard stupid rants and make up their own mind" but in reality this isn't always the case. If all the evidence you have to go on is negative, it's likely you will avoid something regardless of how incredulous the evidence is. So when you diss my game, you undermine it's player-base, which in turn weakens the game, which reduces the lifespan of something I enjoy being part of. I'm not defending the game for Funcom, I'm defending it for myself.
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So you are saying that all the 90% of players who QUIT AoC are spoit brats?
Why do you find it so strange that someone doesn't like AoC? I don't find it strange at all. AoC still has a lot of problems and is a niche game so it's naturally not for all.
If you ask about AoC outside these or official forums, people usually say AoC sucks. Don't believe me? Go try it. Ask 10 random people and see for yourself.
The question is why do you care? Why do you feel the need to come here and defend AoC or Funcom? For me that is strange behavior. IF you enjoy the game just go play it.
To answer your first question: No.
I originally quit AoC myself after about a month, due to the fact I didn't enjoy it. It wasn't what I had hoped for so I left. I didn't post any negative threads on forums about it, but if I had they would have been either a. a clear statement of fact, or b. explicitly categorised as 'My opinion only'.
So, someone who quits a game they dislike is not a spoilt brat, they're just exercising they're freedom of choice and these are not the people I'm criticising.
The people I am criticising are the people who quit a month after launch and continue to slam the game months later when they either have no idea what the current state of the game or just make baseless, pointless remarks to undermine the game.
And why should I care what other people think of AoC? If they think it sucks, that's their perogative. There are games that I think suck. However, I don't jump on the WoW forum for example and type-up 2000 word essays calling the game every name under the sun, describing players who enjoy the game as mentally challenged, question the sexual preferences of the GMs, threaten to nuke the developers head office, etc. I think it's reasonable to let people try the game and decide for themselves, simply because they may have different preferences to me.
What I find tolerable, others may not be able to stand at all, and vice versa. The most objective and constructive criticism usually comes from people who start their posts "I really love this game and can't wait to get to level XX, but...". They have no interest in being unreasonable and just provide an unbiased overview of issues.
And why do I care?
I care simply because I like this game and don't want nice players put-off playing by some hard-bitten gimp with a grudge, an attitude and a sharp tongue. Why? Because the player-base is what makes or breaks every MMO. Put players off = no new players join = game dies. I know some well meaning people will say "Ah, but intelligent people will just disregard stupid rants and make up their own mind" but in reality this isn't always the case. If all the evidence you have to go on is negative, it's likely you will avoid something regardless of how incredulous the evidence is. So when you diss my game, you undermine it's player-base, which in turn weakens the game, which reduces the lifespan of something I enjoy being part of. I'm not defending the game for Funcom, I'm defending it for myself.
Well said. I am not against anyone who has an issue with the game. It is the constant pop into every thread with some note of positive discussion, and bringing it down due to a comment that offers no reason.
The forums exist to discuss the game ...good or bad. I have posted here when I enjoy something, or I post here when I am upset (example being the DX10 removal on the TL servers, which thanks to a well placed discussion I put here and on TL forums opened the Devs eyes, and got a quick answer, and a fix to the issue, by not removing DX10 anymore without a notice...)
And this is what we try to do. Discuss the game in the best manner possible.
I have never said the game is perfect There are people who are enamored with Tortage that they cannot help but post anywhere that the game is just plain awesome. Let them do it. Let them then get past 20 and see if that vision of awesome holds up. I enjoy anything AFTER 20, and many others will. But, then the discussion can be more fulfilling by talking about the problems and looking to get them solved (again, in the case of another bug I found, and kept in the eye of the company here and on the AoC forums called the Midnight bug...it was fixed the following patch..)
That is what works. Solutions are presented when conversation is civil. The "Game sucks" attitude solves nothing. Be more informative, and state your exact issues. You would be surprised how much better threads would roll with decent conversation.
Cheers
But most of that is all fixed now...
Of all that is written, I love only what a person has written with his own blood. -Nietzsche
I agree
AOC was not my worse mmo ever
I didnt subscriber to AOC but I did not regret buying the game, I'll resub someday in the future
its certainly worth trying
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This will be my last visit to this site.
I replied twice to Amazingavery's post and it got deleted both times.
It was a normal reply, i kept it civil but it was against Avery's way of bashing people just because they don't like the game.
If he/she/it did it with good arguments about why the game is good, i wouldn't have a problem with it.
But he/she/it can't so it's the bad habit, brain working in a strange way and whatmore Avery could think of.
Of course this post will be deleted, but i don't mind because i won't be back to check.
mmorpg goodbye