Agreeance on the fact that games that aren't resource intensive(especially MMOs) do have a broader market base and does in fact account for some sucesses.
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However the OP can't even convince someone who aggrees with his core idea to agree with him.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Ah, I get what you're saying. The game companies, by making games with technolgical advances and better graphics, more models on the screen, and different gameplay systems that may require a computer upgrade, are all conspiring to make us buy better computers and then the parts companies, with their deals they make, give the money to said companies and then it repeats. Also, Blizzard, whom has made some nice advancments in WoW (requiring many a WoWer an upgrade) is not guilty of this (not to mention the stellar graphics and amount of stuff going on at once in both D3 and StarCraft 2)? Wow, it makes so much sense! I can't believe I never saw it! I'm never upgrading my computer again, I'll just keep replaying Diablo II over and over so I don't feed the monster! You know, I've seen some trolls that actually made a point or two, I've seen some that just get on my nerves, others that really are just of air, then those like you who are simply... morons. Don't worry, they're all on the same level.
Thank You,
- Eric
Eric
for the last time, you have proven my point.
Blizzard is making diablo III....this game will run great on my one year old computer, but everquest II was made five years ago, and runs like shit. Please explain to me why....to prove your point here that blizzard is doing what sony did....thank come agian.
Not to be rude but...Wait... Yes to be rude.
THIS IS NOT CONSOLES!!!!!!!! (this is PC *Kicks Isamright33 in to a bottemless pit) Urgrade your Fing PC for gods sake!!!!!!!!!
I hate people like you that want all games Draged down to your Lazy Pothetic lvl. If you want something that will last years Buy a 360. If you want to play cutting edge games play PC. Nuff said.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
So let me get this straight. The government pushed banks to make more home loans, especially to minorities. Banks responded by making loans to people who were bad credit risks with little or no money down. Government sponsored enterprises (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac) bought the loans and packaged them into mortgage backed securities. Credit rating agencies rated the securities as extremely safe. Lots of investment funds that were supposed to be really safe bought them up. A housing bubble burst, making lots of supposedly safe investments potentially lose much of their value. This made investors worry that no matter where they put there money, it would vanish, making them hesitant to loan money even in places that genuinely were safe. And that's all the fault of companies like SOE for trying to give their games nice graphics that require good computers, while letting people with older computers turn graphical settings down and play the game anyway? I don't think so.
Stop using logic. You'll just confuse the OP.
First of all the securies were not oonly lent to minorities...they were packaged with mortgages in northfield as well as teh southside here, so taht means rich and poor people alike....second of all your post indicates you know nothing about finance or accounting, which i am a graduate in both, and also an accuary, but since i have work to do tonight iw ill not argue these points. Suffice it to say that industries such as the comptuer hardware industry as well as the automobile industry, and housing refurbishment industry ahve contributed greatly to the recession because of monopolistic illegal practices.
You replied twice to my post. First this, then you just called me a troll and left it at that. My post actually indicates that I do know something of Finance/Accounting/Economics or I wouldn't have agreed with someone else who also understands. You may be somewhat educated in Finance and Accounting, but you know very little about spelling in grammar. That being said, if you think for one second that MMORPG gaming companies have anything to do with the current global economic implosion, you are beyond nuts. The amount of revenue related to updating hardware and computer games is incredibly small. Besides, all you've provided are odd assertions without any real data. Go write a paper if you think it's that earth shattering.
I will make this rather simple. There is no conspiracy. Most gamers (and when I say gamers, I do not mean most that come to this site but the majority of those who by mainstream commerical products) want pretty colors and blinky lights. They want something that will capture their attention for a short bit of time before they go to something else due to their ADD.
BTW, if your one yr old computer cannot run EQ2, then you really need to update your drives or look at something you did wrong on your part, because my kids' 5 yr old computer can run EQ2 with no issue.
Omg not being able to play the newest games on you P2 and your voodo 3D its a crime.
Computer games never required anyone to upgrade their hardware before!
Seriously this is the computer industry, by the time you buy a product there is already a better version ready to be released. Thats how computers have been working for 21 years at least. And most current games cant still be played on a 8600 gt and a p4
So no the subprime crisis wasnt just a cover up for a much bigger problem: the constant pc hardware upgrading.
Btw the only way for you to escape this conspiracy is to tie a rope around your neck, tie the other end to the railings of the first bridge you see and try bungee jumping from it. I guarantee you'll stop thingking about htis conspiracy theory.
I am not to be help responsible for any injuries caused by this attempt to bungee jump from a bridge, this is just a suggestion.
ps next time the guys from blizzard threaten to kill you for revealng their world domination plost dont call the cops they might also be linked to this conspiracy along with michael jackson and The pope.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Omg not being able to play the newest games on you P2 and your voodo 3D its a crime. Computer games never required anyone to upgrade their hardware before! Seriously this is the computer industry, by the time you buy a product there is already a better version ready to be released. Thats how computers have been working for 21 years at least. And most current games cant still be played on a 8600 gt and a p4 So no the subprime crisis wasnt just a cover up for a much bigger problem: the constant pc hardware upgrading. Btw the only way for you to escape this conspiracy is to tie a rope around your neck, tie the other end to the railings of the first bridge you see and try bungee jumping from it. I guarantee you'll stop thingking about htis conspiracy theory. I am not to be help responsible for any injuries caused by this attempt to bungee jump from a bridge, this is just a suggestion. ps next time the guys from blizzard threaten to kill you for revealng their world domination plost dont call the cops they might also be linked to this conspiracy along with michael jackson and The pope.
First of all my specs are not from 10 years ago, as voodoo cards were popular ten years ago.
Second of all, too all the posters above who were calling me stupid, crazy, or an 11 year old kid, would an 11 year old kid have a vocabulary on the same level as a P.H.D. in literary classics? I think not.
Third of all, my grammar is excellent, I recieved a 36 on my act ten years ago....I know latin, greek, and spanglish. So just so you know, just because I don't write essays and proof check on message boards means nill.
Fourth, there is no conspiracy, this is an industry norm now thanks to sony and other such companies...
Fifth, I am not picking only on sony, i am pickiong on all gaming companies except for the makers of darkfall, wow, and EA...
Sixth, I have been proven time and time again over and over by the insane and violent responses from others. The backlash is caused by your own denial.
Seventh, I am not a troll, this is a serious topic that developers need to be aware of....
eight, if you stopped reading and respond, I stopped reading at third....your a liar...
Well you multilingual sex symbol, I dont really see what you are getting so excited about if you dont beleive that we are all gonna get lobotomized by the terrian government.
Computers are simple if you want 60 fps in 16001200 your gonna need a year old max comp.
Now like msot of the casual gamers you cna lower the rez, lower the AA. I can play lotro on a 4 year old pc, now you mention vanguard which si a game know to use too much ressources for what it is. And no Darkfall isnt what current mmos should look like.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
Second of all, too all the posters above who were calling me stupid, crazy, or an 11 year old kid, would an 11 year old kid have a vocabulary on the same level as a P.H.D. in literary classics? I think not.
What's really great about that line is that you can't even spell "Ph.D." It's an abbreviation for "Doctor of Philosophy". There isn't an "h" at the start of any word to capitalize. The place it comes from is by taking the second letter of philosophy, which shouldn't be capitalized with a separate period.
It's one thing to abuse commas and ellipses to the degree that you look illiterate. It's one thing to claim to have so many degrees that you can't even spell the title of your own thread correctly. But it's quite another to pretend to have a degree that you can't even spell the abbreviation for. I guess you didn't quite explicitly claim to have a Ph.D., but you sure tried to imply it.
A few months ago, or half a year ago, before the global recession, I was bitching about the fact that sony, and the makers of warhammer, among many other games were guilty of indirect price descrimation and coercion, and that they were performing illegal acts by releasing games in an oligopoly that required you to upgrade hardware every three months, thereby verticaly creating a monopoly with hardware distributors. I concluded that blizzard was the most successful company in history, yes of all companies, for avoiding this tactic, and currently is financialy immune to the recession, while microsoft, sony, and starbucks are laying of thousands, blizzard is still one of the few companies hiring. An example of how ethics provides a financial competitive advantage.
I was ofcourse banned for conspiracy theory nonsense, and what not, and called a troll.
I think you are just trolling. Anyone with your claimed level of education knows that the high end PC games market is too small to make any impact.
The amazingly tiny% of the population who upgrade beyond their ability to pay it back is such a small drop in the ocean of money involved that only someone trying to find a reason to bitch about high spec requirements (imagined I might add, my 2 year old machine runs everything on the market today that I have tried - not only that but most games auto detect my hardware and change the settings to match) could make the connection.
The recession has nothing to do with games. It may, however, have something to do with western cultures need to have everything new and fancy - new car, new TV, new thing that goes BEEEP, stupidly big house with buttons and clappers and electronic showers. That is to say - western cultures need to have stuff they don't actually need just so they have as much pointless crap to show off as the other guy down the road. Its a penis size thing.
Buy a good computer is the key. My cousin works in Graphic design, he has a monster of a computer from back in 2006, cost him a ton of money, top of the line about 5000 dollars total. He used it for his job till the end of last year, now he uses it for gaming. His job made him upgrade not games, that old 2006 computer he got will be able to run almost any game that comes out in the next 3 years on high settings. He can run crysis on DX9 on Ultra high. Games like The witcher, or Call of duty 4 run on it perfect at everything maxed.
My computer I got last year really beefed up cost about 2000 dollars. I won't need an upgrade for about 4 years. How do I know this, because Iv done it before, back in 2003, I got a really beefed up computer for the time for gaming, Its still able to run games like Age of conan The witcher, Call of duty, UT3 Empire total war and oblivion on High-Medium Mix settings. If I trully wanted to I could have stuck with that computer another year still able to run most of the current games on Medium or high settings with little to no lag. So I only upgrade every 5 or so years. In some cases 6 even.
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Agreeance on the fact that games that aren't resource intensive(especially MMOs) do have a broader market base and does in fact account for some sucesses.
_________
However the OP can't even convince someone who aggrees with his core idea to agree with him.
I find it amazing that by 2020 first world countries will be competing to get immigrants.
Eric
for the last time, you have proven my point.
Blizzard is making diablo III....this game will run great on my one year old computer, but everquest II was made five years ago, and runs like shit. Please explain to me why....to prove your point here that blizzard is doing what sony did....thank come agian.
Not to be rude but...Wait... Yes to be rude.
THIS IS NOT CONSOLES!!!!!!!! (this is PC *Kicks Isamright33 in to a bottemless pit) Urgrade your Fing PC for gods sake!!!!!!!!!
I hate people like you that want all games Draged down to your Lazy Pothetic lvl. If you want something that will last years Buy a 360. If you want to play cutting edge games play PC. Nuff said.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Zomg!..
How did we ever get off usign an abicus, was it people actully invested in upgrades or did they just fall out fo the sky
Stop using logic. You'll just confuse the OP.
First of all the securies were not oonly lent to minorities...they were packaged with mortgages in northfield as well as teh southside here, so taht means rich and poor people alike....second of all your post indicates you know nothing about finance or accounting, which i am a graduate in both, and also an accuary, but since i have work to do tonight iw ill not argue these points. Suffice it to say that industries such as the comptuer hardware industry as well as the automobile industry, and housing refurbishment industry ahve contributed greatly to the recession because of monopolistic illegal practices.
You replied twice to my post. First this, then you just called me a troll and left it at that. My post actually indicates that I do know something of Finance/Accounting/Economics or I wouldn't have agreed with someone else who also understands. You may be somewhat educated in Finance and Accounting, but you know very little about spelling in grammar. That being said, if you think for one second that MMORPG gaming companies have anything to do with the current global economic implosion, you are beyond nuts. The amount of revenue related to updating hardware and computer games is incredibly small. Besides, all you've provided are odd assertions without any real data. Go write a paper if you think it's that earth shattering.
I will make this rather simple. There is no conspiracy. Most gamers (and when I say gamers, I do not mean most that come to this site but the majority of those who by mainstream commerical products) want pretty colors and blinky lights. They want something that will capture their attention for a short bit of time before they go to something else due to their ADD.
BTW, if your one yr old computer cannot run EQ2, then you really need to update your drives or look at something you did wrong on your part, because my kids' 5 yr old computer can run EQ2 with no issue.
Omg not being able to play the newest games on you P2 and your voodo 3D its a crime.
Computer games never required anyone to upgrade their hardware before!
Seriously this is the computer industry, by the time you buy a product there is already a better version ready to be released. Thats how computers have been working for 21 years at least. And most current games cant still be played on a 8600 gt and a p4
So no the subprime crisis wasnt just a cover up for a much bigger problem: the constant pc hardware upgrading.
Btw the only way for you to escape this conspiracy is to tie a rope around your neck, tie the other end to the railings of the first bridge you see and try bungee jumping from it. I guarantee you'll stop thingking about htis conspiracy theory.
I am not to be help responsible for any injuries caused by this attempt to bungee jump from a bridge, this is just a suggestion.
ps next time the guys from blizzard threaten to kill you for revealng their world domination plost dont call the cops they might also be linked to this conspiracy along with michael jackson and The pope.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
First of all my specs are not from 10 years ago, as voodoo cards were popular ten years ago.
Second of all, too all the posters above who were calling me stupid, crazy, or an 11 year old kid, would an 11 year old kid have a vocabulary on the same level as a P.H.D. in literary classics? I think not.
Third of all, my grammar is excellent, I recieved a 36 on my act ten years ago....I know latin, greek, and spanglish. So just so you know, just because I don't write essays and proof check on message boards means nill.
Fourth, there is no conspiracy, this is an industry norm now thanks to sony and other such companies...
Fifth, I am not picking only on sony, i am pickiong on all gaming companies except for the makers of darkfall, wow, and EA...
Sixth, I have been proven time and time again over and over by the insane and violent responses from others. The backlash is caused by your own denial.
Seventh, I am not a troll, this is a serious topic that developers need to be aware of....
eight, if you stopped reading and respond, I stopped reading at third....your a liar...
ninth, I am also a male model.
Cheers.
Well you multilingual sex symbol, I dont really see what you are getting so excited about if you dont beleive that we are all gonna get lobotomized by the terrian government.
Computers are simple if you want 60 fps in 16001200 your gonna need a year old max comp.
Now like msot of the casual gamers you cna lower the rez, lower the AA. I can play lotro on a 4 year old pc, now you mention vanguard which si a game know to use too much ressources for what it is. And no Darkfall isnt what current mmos should look like.
I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.
What's really great about that line is that you can't even spell "Ph.D." It's an abbreviation for "Doctor of Philosophy". There isn't an "h" at the start of any word to capitalize. The place it comes from is by taking the second letter of philosophy, which shouldn't be capitalized with a separate period.
It's one thing to abuse commas and ellipses to the degree that you look illiterate. It's one thing to claim to have so many degrees that you can't even spell the title of your own thread correctly. But it's quite another to pretend to have a degree that you can't even spell the abbreviation for. I guess you didn't quite explicitly claim to have a Ph.D., but you sure tried to imply it.
This post is funneeeeeeeee!!!!!
I think you are just trolling. Anyone with your claimed level of education knows that the high end PC games market is too small to make any impact.
The amazingly tiny% of the population who upgrade beyond their ability to pay it back is such a small drop in the ocean of money involved that only someone trying to find a reason to bitch about high spec requirements (imagined I might add, my 2 year old machine runs everything on the market today that I have tried - not only that but most games auto detect my hardware and change the settings to match) could make the connection.
The recession has nothing to do with games. It may, however, have something to do with western cultures need to have everything new and fancy - new car, new TV, new thing that goes BEEEP, stupidly big house with buttons and clappers and electronic showers. That is to say - western cultures need to have stuff they don't actually need just so they have as much pointless crap to show off as the other guy down the road. Its a penis size thing.
Buy a good computer is the key. My cousin works in Graphic design, he has a monster of a computer from back in 2006, cost him a ton of money, top of the line about 5000 dollars total. He used it for his job till the end of last year, now he uses it for gaming. His job made him upgrade not games, that old 2006 computer he got will be able to run almost any game that comes out in the next 3 years on high settings. He can run crysis on DX9 on Ultra high. Games like The witcher, or Call of duty 4 run on it perfect at everything maxed.
My computer I got last year really beefed up cost about 2000 dollars. I won't need an upgrade for about 4 years. How do I know this, because Iv done it before, back in 2003, I got a really beefed up computer for the time for gaming, Its still able to run games like Age of conan The witcher, Call of duty, UT3 Empire total war and oblivion on High-Medium Mix settings. If I trully wanted to I could have stuck with that computer another year still able to run most of the current games on Medium or high settings with little to no lag. So I only upgrade every 5 or so years. In some cases 6 even.
We should be playing games that look like UO, because according to all the MMO "EXPERTS" here, thats what MMOs always were supposed to be