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Karmatron
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I played the trial for a while, though the last few days I've been avoiding playing it after hearing some terrifying stories, And now I want to play it again, because it was fun, but I'm still very worried.
Basically I've heard a lot of stories about pirates stalking newbies and not giving them a chance of doing anything, they ninja loot everything, stop them from warping and ask for a ransom, before destroying your ship for being a few hundred ISK short, for no apparent reason, Even in "safer" 0.9 security areas...
I'm, personally, not a fan of PvP, though I'm drawn to the game for it's addictive fun combat and spaceships and stuff. But I'm really worried about jerk pirates in uber tech 2 ships with every skill imaginable hunting around for simple poorly armed frigates that an unskilled player got only half an hour earlier...
So is it really that bad? Will I get ganked and ninja looted often? Is it safer to join a big friendly corporation and travel around in packs?
I'd like to put emphasis on the questions, "how bad are the pirates in the game?" and "What is your experiences in the game?"
I'd like to give it a chance, but even if half the stories are true.... I dunno...
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The short answer is yes and no. Yes because it does happen and no because it’s kinda like a car wreck. Usually it happens to someone else but sometimes it happens to you. Sometimes it's a fender-bender and sometimes it’s allot worse.
There are allot of things to keep in mind. First, if you’re in Empire it's really all about backing down. If you’re willing to do that you will never have a problem. Second, no one is going to get rich by stealing from new players. It's not like it's a profession are something. Most importantly, it's really about playing smart and being prepared for trouble.
I'm a brand new player in my brand new ship and I'm going to run missions in the busiest solar system during the busiest time of day. Hmmmm asking for a problem maybe?
Keep your eyes open, know where you are, what your ships capabilities are and don't put yourself in situations where others are likely to take advantage of you. It's the style of game play.
Oh.... did I mention that there are ton's of people just like you. Strength in numbers can solve the whole problem.
In short, the game provides you with a wealth of tools and there are solutions to every problem, but it takes time to figure everything out and decide what you're willing to accept. Can it happen? Yes. Will it? Possibly. Does it have too... no it doesn’t.
Hope this helps
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You wont be ganked and robbed in empire area.... unless you have some uber huge hauler and you transport some badass expensive stuff. Then you might get ganked by suicide gang.
Most pirates even dont bother with noobs.. its useless for them.
below 0.5 sec ares you might get in trouble but its unlikely... many low sec areas still have sentry guns near gates so theres safe to be.
Eve emprire area is huuuuge... you will be safe mostly everywhere.
in 0.0 areas, the story is all true... its no mans land, no rules, no concord (police) to help you.
Stop worrying! If you're worried, then you will not enjoy playing it. If you act in a freaked out manner, you will attract more negative attention than if you are calm and act rationally.
What you're describing aren't pirates but griefers. Pirates have a bad name in this game, but pirates are generally not griefers. Griefers screw around with newbs because they can. They find it funny to make you upset and hope to get a rise out of you. They don't earn much ISK from harassing you, if any at all. If you play smart, they won't bother you. That's not to say that some pirates aren't sometimes griefers, but most pirates I know of are in low sec and/or 0.0 ransoming or going after rich targets. That doesn't mean they won't kill you if you're a newb they don't recognise: you could be a spy or a scout or something of that sort.
Ninja'ing stuff in high sec? How the system works is if you are ninja'ed you have the opportunity to shoot at the thief even in high sec. That means CONCORD will not step in. You will be open to his retaliation and anyone in his corporation for 15 minutes though once you have shot him. However, even if you have the opportunity to shoot at someone, you don't have to. So if someone pinches your stuff, just let him take it. Chances are that if he's taking it, even if he appears to be in a newb ship, he has a trick up his sleeve. Maybe he's fleeted up with corpmates of his who can warp in and shoot you straight away, for example. Yeah it sucks to have stuff stolen, but if you back down and don't shoot at the thief, he can't do anything to you without CONCORD coming and having their way with him.
Back in EvE. Started with BatMUD. Main MMOs have been EvE and DAoC.
To put it simple: You get what you deserve in EVE. If you deserve to die, you die.
However, I can't see any way how this principle could degradate your gaming experience. On the contrary, that makes EvE the best MMO on the market.
The first advice for these kinds of threads is: Do not make a Caldari character. And second advice is: If you do any way; Do not join the State War Academy starter school.
The best way to avoid most grief and crap is simply to stay far away from the Caldari regions imo.
Love that. Well put.
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if you go into low sec, then expect to find pirates and people who will attack/kill you. There are very few reasons why a new player should venture into low sec. The only time you should go into low sec, is if you are in a group or if you know what your doing and how to stay safe. I am a pirate and there are definetly ways to avoid being tracked and killed. I cant tell you how many times i narrow down somebody to a belt to find out that he warped to the nearest stargate seconds before i warp in on the belt they were ratting in. People like who i described are the people who dont die very often in low sec
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lol what? I hunt anybody who i can find, it gives me the killmail and it definetly helps fill in times of long roams without any fights. Also since i am newer, i helps me work on using the scanner, and where certain areas are from certain locations.
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TBH, if you are not fund of pvp, you can stay in high-sec. In high-sec, you'll be protected by Concord from aggression by other players. I know there are people who are into the trading+invention+production part of the game, and they rarely ever leave high-sec.
Low-sec is a different story, pirates will hunt and kill you there. But, once you get the hang of it, you can avoid getting caught easily.
In 0.0, just assume that all neutrals you see will attack you.
If your intending to be an industrialist pirates are your best friends, we both destroy and consume your produce which creates a larger market base for you. Surviving is fairly easy in high sec to with these hard and fast rules:-
- Don't mission in mission hubs as it increases the risk of ninja salvaging
- Don't jet can mine in busy systems as it increases the risk of being can flipped
- Don't cram more than 50-75 mills worth of loot into a T1 industrial ship
- Don't carry more than 20 or so mills worth of loot or modules in a frigate
- Don't go afk and autopilot with valuables on board
- Learn high sec aggression mechanics
- Do not take baits if you do get ninja looted or can flipped unless you are prepared for a combat situation you may lose
- Do not take from someones can in space especially if they seem friendly and say something like "here have this stuff mate"
Follow these and you are extremely unlikely to be killed in high outside of a wardec although random ganks do happen its usually very expensive and skill intensive ships that a newbie wont have access to, war decs are another matter but a competent corp will be able to deal with that situation. Finally remember EVE can be harsh if you don't know what you are doing and it wont hold your hand its entirely up to you to ensure you succeed and survive and sometimes its hard and sometimes events turn around and bite you in the arse through no fault of your own but a little knowledge goes a long way.
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EVE online (Ruining low sec one hotdrop at a time)
Gravity Rush,
Dishonoured: The Knife of Dunwall.
(Waiting for) Metro: Last Light,
Company of Heroes II.
Well, its quite simple really. Its about risk vs reward, most sensible players will be aware of their limited knowledge and are carefull, always looking before they leap.
Other players either rush into things too quickly or take too much risk.
Now you sound like a fairly sensible player to me, just posting and asking this before playing shows your naturaly wary. People with this attitude are the kind of people that thrive in Eve.
Just remember, God is in the detail.
the interesting part in red hahaha
i think you dont really understand that ppl can pvp you on 0.9 only if you are on war whit other corporation
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And I dont think you really understand, your never 100% safe in 0.9. There are many ways to trick new people into doing the wrong thing, and its even easier to suicide gank if you have something valuble enough.
What the OP "heard" is completly correct and I personally hear storys of it all the time too, so get your facts right before you go making fun of other people son.
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The problem with EVE as a whole is that there is so much conflicting information. CCP are hardly clear on what is intentional and what is not, thus meaning that everyone and their dog thinks that they know best (hypocrisy in my post :V).
There's plenty of ways to kill people in high sec. Some don't even lose you sec, but are dependant on the other person either being unfamiliar with the game mechanics (which, to be fair, I'm still not the best at when it comes to some topics after over two years playing), or a decent amount of social manipulation. The chances of either are about even.
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No, I don''t care about your opinion.
As long as you stay in high sec 1.0 to .5 you are relatively safe. That has several important exceptions. If you are a new player, I doubt many of those would apply to you. There are the rare crazies that will attack new players in high sec. Concord(Galactic Police) comes down FAST on such types. But keep in mind that Concord isn't so much about protection, as they are retribution. Over all, if you keep your wits about you, you shouldn't have any problem. But keep Eves unofficial motto in mind... "Trust No One". ^^
There are the rare crazies that will attack new players in high sec. Concord(Galactic Police) comes down FAST on such types. But keep in mind that Concord isn't so much about protection, as they are retribution.
-- That is an important point. Having read many, many guides, FAQs, tutorials, etc one helpful tidbit (of many) I came across was that when you are in higher security space and are paranoid (in a healthy way) you should invest training and a few ISK into decent shields as well as skills that improve your 'agility'. You don't need to hold out forever, just long enough for concord to arrive and save your ass.
It can be fun. Life is more interesting if you leave the house and occasionally have that crazy lady down the block try to run you down with her car. Wear pads and a helmet. Learn to anticipate and be ready to jump behind a tree. Really, it can be fun!
Oh, and do research the game. Read those tutorials and what not. Another good tip would be to hook up with and join the corp EVE University. They are an in-game corp who specifically cater to new players. They are good people. They'll teach you more than just the basics, help you out when its time to upgrade your ship and a whole lot more.
Well, good luck and have fun. Consider what I've said and give EVE a chance. It requires some effort and intelligence but that is what makes the game so rewarding and really, really FUN. If you invest yourself a bit you'll quickly see it is definatly one of the best mmos out there.
Cheers! grumb7fish
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