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The Aoc argument
Happyburp
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It is the best MMO to buy and play when you don't put WoW into the discussion. Nothing will kill that grind fest, nothing will have 11million subscribers again.
So if WoW is not for you try AoC because after AoC your left with very few options.
That is what it is all about, its not is it a bad/good game. It 's is it better than playing WoW?
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EDIT: There are 17 MMOs on the market considered better by the players,as they have higher pops, and more comming soon!
If anything you should avoid this title just because of it's poor design and join and play AoC if your trying to be a non conformist. However, remember AoC was the 3rd - 4th highest selling game this year for PC so just imagine how many people it drove off.
EDIT: here is the list of more popular and probably better games as the gamers choose to play them:
1) WoW 2) Guildwars 3) silkroad online 4) cabal online 5) warhammer online 6) lotor 7) eve 8) flyff 9) shaiya 10) perfect world 11) runes of magic 12) Lineage II 13) maple story 14) second life 15) atlantica online 16) metin 2 17 Mabigogi
Then AoC:
Follow ups) EQ2, 12 sky, and RF online
Source - www.xfire.com/games/
P.S. this game will need a better argument if it wishes to turn around from being an epic failure by pretty much any litmus test given.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
I'd take out all the F2P games since those games hold no water for me and many ppl who just cant stand item shops and asian style artwork.
War just announced that there closing 43 servers, this after the introduced 4 new classes not a good sign imo.
Guild wars is not imo a MMO
LoTR is ok but it doesn't have pvp(monster play doesn't count) which imo is needed in every MMO
so you got Eve a sci fi MMO and L2 if my choice is Eve, L2, or AoC I say AoC wins.
Therefor my argument still stands
Wait a second. You discount warhammer as a viable option, because it is merging/closing down servers?
Then you say AoC is the second best option for gaming and completely ignore that it too closed down/merged a majority of its own servers after bumbling around for months just to figure out how to get it done.
Please explain why you think that eliminates one game as an option, but is seems to have no effect on the next game.
Because it is happening to a game that basically just came out with an expansion( 4 new classes and others) AoC hasn't done that all they've done is fix problems within there game. Trust me the 4 classes added did not fix WAR and thats what matters instead of working on thier game they try to flash shiny new classes in front of your eyes.
Players are smarter than that. I hope
Perfect world have the most number of players in the world, go redo your math.
and we are getting tired of that same argument that AoC lost subs, we know that, that was a long time ago and not relevant anymore.
how about you tel us something of value that we dont know for a change?
AOC is far behind WOW.
AOC is far behind EVE and LoTRO
AOC is slightly behind Warhammer and EQ2.
AOC is ahead of Darkfall and free2play games.
I'm talking about quality and player enjoyment.
Ultimately, players vote with their wallets. AOC is about half of Warhammer and Lotro, and it is less than half of EVE. EVE and LOTRO are both increasing subscribers, warhammer is still losing them.
My own opinion is that AOC is slightly increasing subscribers... but at a very slow rate, and certainly not enough to catch LOTRO or EVE.. but it might pass Warhammer soon as that game continues to fall.
AOC is just boring..... while the OP said WOW was a grindfest..... at least there is 'something' to do at endgame to advance your character. Far more options than AOC has ( pretty senseless pvp and bad raids with poor grear).
Also, outside of probably Aventurine ( Darkfall), Funcom and AOC have the worst reputation in the general gaming community. Put a poll anywhere on a non-game site and ask " which company would you NEVER buy a MMORPG from" and list the major developers, and Funcom will win by a large margin.
Using Xfire is not a viable source. I dont use Xfire, several of my friends that play MMOs refuse to use Xfire. Xfire is not the best source for anything.
That being said, AoC does not have the best sub numbers and yes it still has some issues, however it is a much better game today than it was 9 months ago. I seriously doubt AoC will be one of the largest games in terms of sub numbers, it's a game for people who can handle it on their PC and enjoy the style of play it provides. I am satisfied and anticipating the upcoming patches and expansion.
"I don't give a sh*t what other people say. I play what I like and I'll pay to do it too!" - SerialMMOist
So AoC hasn't really added anything except fix what should have already been in the game at release, whereas WAR added new content? And thats supposed to be an argument against WAR and for AoC?
And speaking of flashing shiny in front of your eyes...isn't that what funcom is doing with dx10? Though I guess the difference is, Mythic at least delivered on their shiney new classes, while Funcom is still floundering trying to figure out how to get dx10 to work on a test server. The interns will figure it out eventually though.
Waiting for: A skill-based MMO with Freedom and Consequence.
Woe to thee, the pierce-ed.
I added new info, did you know over 17 MMOs were more popular than AoC? I had to research that.
War still has three or so times the pop they have just been proactive, rather than leaving the playerbase on empty servers with 150 other players and forcing many people to reroll like this game did.
No idea why you would discount the F2P, I avoid them but the potential MMO playerbase votes with their wallets as said before but also their time and those game seem to be more popular than AoC. So your arguement about why people should play AoC is porous because there are other alternitives that the majority of MMO players have gravitated to.
Some of them are PvE centric games but get real, AoC is not a PvP centric game, the game was not designed with that in mind. The core game mechanics make PvP pretty silly atm: stealth for all and it isn't much better for rogues, class balance, all classes can DPS while some can heal and only one can tank, then you got the stun lock and HPs > DPSs, dishonor kills, a silly PvP system, guards everywhere, Kesh is the only place to find people at 80 and that zone gets boring. I shy away from free to play MMOs but I'm sure some of them have it, Guildwars would be the best bet till guildwars 2 comes out. I hear DoaC is good but I have not played it.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
Works good since they put it on test server
few test hiccups but I am now seeing barely any fps difference from DX9 same settings now.
It is not just dx10, it is being done on a whole new API, you know, something innovative in the industry in this area.
Both AoC and WAR have added content and merged / closed servers, that shouldn't be held against either game.
It seems like the OP might be taking the angle that Mythic are not concentrating enough on fixing the game first and foremost, whether that is the right thing to do or main issue overall I don't know but that is what I picked upon.
I think it is good that with WAR there are now 23 English speaking decent pop servers.
I put AO way ahead of AOC, the only thing AO lacks compared to AOC is graphics for me. And incase someone does not know, AO is other MMO FC is running atm.
Warhammers classes were also suppose to be in the game at release, what is the difference?
As for dx 10, where are the other 4 citys that was suppose to be in Warhammer since launch?
It is one thing to see the faults of AoC but don't use WAR as an example because they were at least as bad with content cutting in the last moment (1 month before launch in WARs case).
Warhammer is also trying to patch in promised content and they are nowhere close to get it all in. MJ said that those 4 citys where almost done but werent good enough at launch (together with the 4 classes), but if that was true why did it take them so long to patch in the classes and why isn't the citys fixed yet?
I am not saying that AoC is a better game than WAR but it sure isn't worse and Mythic lie as much as FunCom.
War's issue with underpreforming or giving what they stated they would did not come close to AoC's, also War still has many times the ammount of content.
How AoC dealt with those issues at release and just prior was much worse as well. At least Mythic had the guts to disclose the cuts. I'm fairly certain mythic has more developers working on the game as well as they didn't all run off to start work on the X pac the day the game went live.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
Because it is happening to a game that basically just came out with an expansion( 4 new classes and others) AoC hasn't done that all they've done is fix problems within there game. Trust me the 4 classes added did not fix WAR and thats what matters instead of working on thier game they try to flash shiny new classes in front of your eyes.
Players are smarter than that. I hope
If that is your criteria I think you are taking an extremely narrow view on the matter. Just the simple fact that Warhammer already has an "expansion" and is half the age of conan speaks volumes about the developers turn around time.
I can say with a straight face that Mythic has not only acknowledged their games issues, but they are directly and swiftly addressing them. I just don't get that impression from Funcom. The devs sure were not open about the games issues as early as mythic and everything they attempt to fix seems to take far longer. Have they even fixed itemization yet? It has only been a year now.
This comparison is about as sane as a fat kid on an all pie diet telling another fat kid how unhealthy his all cake diet is and then thinking how much better off he is than that fat cake eating F**ker. I honestly doubt either game is in a very good position right now.
AoC had many classes that were supposed to be in at launch, many of them merged into a broken state just before release....where are those? I played an assassin the thesis of two broken classes.
aoc.wikia.com/wiki/How_many_playable_classes_will_there_be%3F
Anyway, it seems AoC is still very far behind the curve.
AoC had a bunch of raid content that is still not what was promised.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427
owned
play:LoTRO status: dragging
tried: WAR, FFiX, WoW, Guildwars, Silkroad, Vanguard, AoC, Sword of the New World
Works good since they put it on test server
Why are you lying?
A few test hiccups?! Barely any fps difference?!
That is a straight up LIE. If you have played on test server (and I'm sure you have) you know DX10 is far from being ready.
Nice to have a Age of Conan Correspondent who lies to the public.
Works good since they put it on test server
Why are you lying?
A few test hiccups?! Barely any fps difference?!
That is a straight up LIE. If you have played on test server (and I'm sure you have) you know DX10 is far from being ready.
Nice to have a Age of Conan Correspondent who lies to the public.
Where is he lying when he states his personal experience? I can fully back up what he said with my own experience on TL.
The only real problem I had with the DX 10 was the initial crashing on weapon trace effects. Since that got fixed (and that happened rather rapidly), I have zero problems with the DX 10 version, also having about the same fps range compared to DX 9 with similar settings.
The current TL build on my main rig (and I only have it running there) doesn't execute or perform any worse that any other MMO I currently have access to in it's release version actually. If you have knowledge of any of those games that wouldn't have some little gfx glitch at times or any other random technical issues, especially after a new patch, please share that knowledge. As long as it isn't one of those brilliant and atmospheric Korean pearls we saw on the Xifre list earlier, I'd love to give it a try (though I doubt it would be something I didn't already try, as long as it won't fit that sub genre).
It should be noted, and that's another thing AmazingAvery got right, that the DX 10 implementation FC is going for is significantly different from what for expample Turbine did in LoTRO: It's not just adding some DX 10 effects to the existing build, it's an all new build/API, so the complexity is much higher initially, while they will have a far better base to expand on later.
Not having DX 10 ready on release (and especialy failing on getting that changed on the retail boxes and advertising) was a mighty messup, no way around that.
However I still prefer their approach to sort it out completely and come up with more than some half arsed beefup any time. It's not like this game would suffer from bad visual appearance on DX 9 while we have to wait. If nothing else, it's fully competiive in that respect to any other MMO out today, whatever DX version it might be.
Works good since they put it on test server
Why are you lying?
A few test hiccups?! Barely any fps difference?!
That is a straight up LIE. If you have played on test server (and I'm sure you have) you know DX10 is far from being ready.
Nice to have a Age of Conan Correspondent who lies to the public.
Hasn't Funcom been saying that " DX10 is almost ready" for about 9 months now. I mean, seriously, they talk about it like it is right around the corner. Stop lying.. it first went on the test server back in December? Do you realize that is 4 months ago? I'd also like to point out the difference between warhammer and AOC 'cut content'. Warhammer announced the cuts 6 weeks before launch.... AOC announced the DX10 cut the day before launch.
Dead games have no development team... all they have is non-payed supporters who can talk about 'future' additions to the game that never seem to come. Dead game is dead.
There is one issue you allways "forget" to mention in your endless bickering about X-fire and subscriber numbers, and how players vote with their wallets, and that's the plain fact that it takes a pretty good computer to play AoC. That effectively means that the potential player base for AoC is much lower than for a game you can run on any old Pentium 2. And then you have X-fire numbers themselves. How on earth can you compare subscription numbers based on a kiddie tool like X-fire between games that are meant for kids and a age 18+ game?
A lot of people bought AoC to find out they could not play on their present rig. A combination of a future free trial and people upgrading their hardware will work in favor for this game in the long term.
Hasn't Funcom been saying that " DX10 is almost ready" for about 9 months now. I mean, seriously, they talk about it like it is right around the corner. Stop lying.. it first went on the test server back in December? Do you realize that is 4 months ago? I'd also like to point out the difference between warhammer and AOC 'cut content'. Warhammer announced the cuts 6 weeks before launch.... AOC announced the DX10 cut the day before launch.
Dead games have no development team... all they have is non-payed supporters who can talk about 'future' additions to the game that never seem to come. Dead game is dead.
It's almost funny to see how long it will take for DX10 to go live and how long will fans defend Funcom
. My guess is we will see DX10 in early November.
silkroad online being at #3 shows just how fucked popular opinion is.
silkroad online being at #3 shows just how fucked popular opinion is.
Rejoyce, it's not popular opinion but the opinion of XFire users
Do you want to see it? Is it scary for you that it may kick ass and go well against the opinion you have formed therefore "lessening" that? Is that worrying? Do you have any intention of playing? Just curious so people know where you stand.
EDIT: X fire is pretty accurate, it is no secrete that fewer than 100,000 people play AoC so there should be quite a few games with a higher population. Around 1 in 100 PC users probably use X fire, it should be no diffrent in AoC. The only strange thing is how the entire AoC population seems to have missed out on a basic level understanding of stats in school.
Xfire = Sample of PC gamers ~ AoC = Population of PC gamers that play AoC. AoC was #4 on X fire at one time so it is pretty silly to think that the numbers are off by to much.
If anything the AoC players with high end rigs would use X fire more often compared to "kiddie games." AoC doesn't have a higher average age then any other fantasy RPG game, even WoW with 10 mil people has the same average age of 28.
Then your second argument is wrong when factoring in that AoC was the 4th highest selling PC game last year! Then if you played you would have noticed many instances (usually in the 6-8 range) of each zone running 1-80 and there were many more servers, release servers not second release servers. So many people were able to play this that the exodus could not be explained by a lack of people's systems.
Finaly your implication that AoC is an "adult" game and others are "kiddie" games is disgusting and so far off base, if anything AoC has drawn the "childish" 28-year-olds. MA =/= responsible adults, go play any MA game, get to know people, and you will be suprised at the number of real kids playing, many with more maturity than the 20 somethings playing.
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This game's future is dysmal and my point is there are 17 other games people are playing and most of them were not in the top 4 for PC game sales in any given year, much less last year. It is pretty silly that the revisionist keep blaming this game's lack of sucess on bugs and tech issues, when it was a lack of "Fun", "PvP focus", "Content", etc that nailed this game's coffin. WoW had issues at release and it did much better, because it had "Fun" and "Content", the lack of PvP focus hurt WoW at the begining, but before it was added there was much more world PvP, it was strange.
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I have a high end system but AoC played decently on my low end system to and when I play MMOs, aside from the indigent college students, most people have pretty wicked setups - that is what happens , people allocate money to what they spend their time doing.
Funcom has reviewed all of its assets relevant for
impairment testing. This process has led to
recognition of an impairment loss of around
3,1 MUSD for Age of Conan due to a decrease in
numbers of subscribers for the game. Funcom Q4 10 report.
http://forums.ageofconan.com/showpost.php?p=2926123&postcount=7 500 mains/alts on Tyranny in past 30 days - instead of merge servers let's open a new PvP server, again! http://forums-eu.ageofconan.com/showthread.php?t=106427