The simple fact that you have quit twice, makes me question your whole motive about playing MMO's. Just like the other reply I think it shows your lack of patience and I bet you do this commonly in games period, nothing particular to MMO's only. I personally think this is another biased game review... and notice I am not playing Darkfall, but if I picked it up I wouldn't take what you said as any reasoning for getting or not getting this title.
You say you are not playing DF... Does than mean you don't want to play it, or that you just can't get in to buy it yet? Makes a big difference.
What does that have to do with the price of rice in china? I stated if I were to pick up this game I wouldn't take this review as a credible one. That is all, what are you trying to read into.
I am not trying to read anything into it. But it makes a difference if you are trying to get this game and are a huge fanboy of it. As opposed to just not interested in any MMO right now and are just looking for something.
I will not buy this game. It is just not what I am looking for. B ut I look a review of a game and make my own decision on it's validity. (Both the review and the game) I don't see a reason to post like what you posted other than being a fanboy or someone looking to start something. In other words, why are you posting your opinion of "his" review if you don't care about the game?
Lol a "Fanboi", I don't play MMO's right now because I don't have time, if I were to pick an MMO to play like I stated before. Yes I am an MMO fan not specific but I hope this game gets better I never said the game is great I never said it was bad just that this review is horrible and the fact he stated because of not being able to macro now even makes this more of a bogus biased review. You my friend sound like you would like to start something. As you stated my opinion and it is what it is, you picked at me.
So, just to get this straight, are you saying you would buy and play DF if you had more time to play MMOs?
And as far as the review goes... It is his opinion, if you don't like or don't believe his opinion that is great. My question to you has always been, why are you berating him for giving his opinion? It is after all HIS opinion and not yours. And he has every right to give it. So again why are you berating him for it? Are you on the other forums berating others who post bad reviews of that game? Or is it just here?
People who only can play a game if macro is aloud or easy are stupid, its good if they leave.
But you did not play this game your just a silly troll.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Isnt it wonderful like about 2/3rd of the replies question the OP's sincerity, sanity, intentions or character. Alas thats SO familiar with every hyped game with rabid fan community, like it used to be with VG. God forbade anyone said anything negative about it, even when the failure was clear as the day. Seems the mentality, to blame the gamers, is always the same.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Isnt it wonderful like about 2/3rd of the replies question the OP's sincerity, sanity, intentions or character. Alas thats SO familiar with every hyped game with rabid fan community, like it used to be with VG. God forbade anyone said anything negative about it, even when the failure was clear as the day. Seems the mentality, to blame the gamers, is always the same.
Quite simple really, Ignorant is as Ignorant does. Hence why we have delusional slavering Tacos lap lickers extolling the virtues of the subject game.
So basically, quitting because you can't cheat. GTFO
Its not cheating, macroing for trades, I can be killed and looted while away... but I cannot sit there for hours clicking away at a tree/rock/bush.... Its the only viable option for tradesmen.
That's because you are not supposed to be doing that.
You are supposed to be out in the world harvesting and fighting people or whatever. And its supposed to be about skills, not macroing up then going outside.
You won't be trading but more than, what... couple mins out of an hour?
It really looks like you quit because theres no Staples "Easy Buttons" to push. I hate to tell you, you are exactly the type of person Aventurine does NOT want in their game, and they would be happy to know you quit because of this.
They are looking for people who want to open RvR, not shoot at trees from town. How you figure this is the ONLY viable way for a tradesman is beyond me. Sounds like one viable way for goldsellers, that's about it.
Are you part of the Glider people that WoW just shut down looking for a new home?
while it sucks having to collect resourses to boost crafting skills... there should never been a macro based skill leveling as you may as well then have a GM or server admin tweek your character to be maxed in that skill tree...
im well versed in afk farming go play bounty bay online or the poorer english voyage century. both have a huge bot/multi problem with people afking farming for wood and iron. as it takes soo long to level skills in them... im sure way worse then DF has... as BBO is a korean based game...
but the fact you openly admit to doing that ruins any review credit you hold for your review.
as people will take your review and make their own thoughts and opionons based on it. if you quit because you cant macro in DF thats hardly president over say quiting because X skill doesnt work or X class cant use X gear (yes i know DF has no class tree.. its an example)
but the fact you quit twice the 2nd over macros... make your review worthless as you didnt quit for any real game based reason other then being unable to cheat your skills/gathering items.
the simple reason being if your macroing logging or something whats to stop you macroing items too? perhaps next you will sit for 24hrs crafting armor or something making your self super rich while joe shmoo who plays 2hrs a day doing the same thing cant...
as i understand it DF is a player run econ so marcos shouldnt be allowed period as that effects econ.. when people resell stuff to other players in vast amounts it lowers the player based good return on that item to the point everyone has the best of everything and the game becomes totally worthless and boring.
though thankyou for your review. i dont think many will heed it as valid though
So basically, quitting because you can't cheat. GTFO
Its not cheating, macroing for trades, I can be killed and looted while away... but I cannot sit there for hours clicking away at a tree/rock/bush.... Its the only viable option for tradesmen.
That's because you are not supposed to be doing that.
You are supposed to be out in the world harvesting and fighting people or whatever. And its supposed to be about skills, not macroing up then going outside.
You won't be trading but more than, what... couple mins out of an hour?
It really looks like you quit because theres no Staples "Easy Buttons" to push. I hate to tell you, you are exactly the type of person Aventurine does NOT want in their game, and they would be happy to know you quit because of this.
They are looking for people who want to open RvR, not shoot at trees from town. How you figure this is the ONLY viable way for a tradesman is beyond me. Sounds like one viable way for goldsellers, that's about it.
Are you part of the Glider people that WoW just shut down looking for a new home?
i'd just like to point out that if this is suposed to be an open ended "sandbox" game then yes if he wants to gather resources all day then that is how he is suposed to play
i myself feel if you enjoy the game then good for you enjoy it for all you can dont let other people run you down for you having fun
also and i'm just thowing it out if you enjoy the game it really doesnt matter if other people knock it or hate on it you dont need to defend your enjoyment
So basically, quitting because you can't cheat. GTFO
Its not cheating, macroing for trades, I can be killed and looted while away... but I cannot sit there for hours clicking away at a tree/rock/bush.... Its the only viable option for tradesmen.
That's because you are not supposed to be doing that.
You are supposed to be out in the world harvesting and fighting people or whatever. And its supposed to be about skills, not macroing up then going outside.
You won't be trading but more than, what... couple mins out of an hour?
It really looks like you quit because theres no Staples "Easy Buttons" to push. I hate to tell you, you are exactly the type of person Aventurine does NOT want in their game, and they would be happy to know you quit because of this.
They are looking for people who want to open RvR, not shoot at trees from town. How you figure this is the ONLY viable way for a tradesman is beyond me. Sounds like one viable way for goldsellers, that's about it.
Are you part of the Glider people that WoW just shut down looking for a new home?
i'd just like to point out that if this is suposed to be an open ended "sandbox" game then yes if he wants to gather resources all day then that is how he is suposed to play
i myself feel if you enjoy the game then good for you enjoy it for all you can dont let other people run you down for you having fun
also and i'm just thowing it out if you enjoy the game it really doesnt matter if other people knock it or hate on it you dont need to defend your enjoyment
and now i'm gonna stfu and go back to wow <--- Classic
I agree with you. In a game that's being called sandbox the options are supposed to be near limitless. There should be no restrictions on how you play.
However, macroing is not a game feature for a reason. As one poster said, macroing can effectively destroy a player run economy. I've seen it first hand in games and it's a terrible thing. When the best gear in the game becomes so cheap due to inflation that everyone can get it... what's the point? Aventurine has said that unattended botting will result in a kick, and later a ban for repeat offenders. They're not against players setting up macros to use while sitting at their computers to take away some of the tedium. If an action requires 3 clicks and you create a macro to reduce it to one, and then use that macro manually, then there isn't a problem. If you set a macro to repeat indefinitely and walk away so that you can come back to a fully loaded character that you only spent a few minutes on(the time it takes to set up the macro) then there's a problem. At that point you can't even call yourself a 'player' because you're not playing the game. You're letting it play itself while you reap the rewards.
To the OP and anyone else who's crying about Aventurine's stance on botting/macroing/hacks/exploits, I truly hope you decide to quit/avoid this game. The game is having a hard enough time as it is right now without the players doing their part to make things worse.
i'd just like to point out that if this is suposed to be an open ended "sandbox" game then yes if he wants to gather resources all day then that is how he is suposed to play
i myself feel if you enjoy the game then good for you enjoy it for all you can dont let other people run you down for you having fun also and i'm just thowing it out if you enjoy the game it really doesnt matter if other people knock it or hate on it you dont need to defend your enjoyment and now i'm gonna stfu and go back to wow
I agree that anyone should be able to do with whatever they want in a sandbox. But most of these people hating DF are saying its not even a sandbox. But even if it wasn't one, I agree you play how you like; you are the one paying the fee.
The problem comes from when someone just wants to make macros to do stuff unattended to their keyboard and aren't even playing the game anymore, which you know he's saying was his purpose. Again, these are the people DF does not want, they've said that over/over. They are really just taking up space. I got a feeling that if they ever got up to 10+ servers, then these people would be welcome, but not now.
Right now, they probably want active folks as any game that has massive oRvR battles depends on that, so they want to get guilds up and fighting each other now. The last thing they want is what happened in Warhammer, where you had everyone stuck in Scenarios fighting and the oRvR wasn't happening, because they funneled everyone that way.
What he is doing is clearly against the spirit of what the game is trying to project. Sitting in town macroing spells and stuff is not the spirit of the game when its designed to skill up by fighting other players and mobs. It's precisely why he didn't have fun.. its too much work to do it the other way. And when you are paying to play a game, it shouldn't be work.
If his idea of fun is games where you can macro everything, then he's 100% right to quit, before he got banned. Twice.
I 100% agree if your gonna pay to play a game you should do just that play it
I guess i was just trying to point out that there isnt a "right" way to play if someone wanted to gather resources all day or craft daggers all day they have every right to do so
i dont think that just because most people (guessing here as i havent played darkfall) are in it to pvp that thats the "right way to play"
trust me i know grinds can be unfun ( i still have bad dreams about pygmy goblins from DAOC ) but i take them as par for the course
again just my thoughts
and now again i will stfu and since wifes asleep go play fallout 3
Presentation **** 4* *** -- Controls and Menus are terrible, binding keys is terrible. Guild forums via ingame menus, very cool.
Graphics **** 6 **** -- Not the worse I have seen, alright with the settings all the way up.
Sound **** -1 **** -- Terrible sounds
Gameplay **** 7 **** -- Potential
Lasting Appeal **** 4 **** -- I guess it depends on how much you can grind it
Overall: 5 -- Mediocre Niche Game
4 + 6 + 7 + 4 - 1= 20.
20 divided by 5= 4.
You give overall score a 5. Interesting.
Also, the game has been out two weeks. How did you quit twice already? Wouldn't you still be on your first month's subscription? Did you uninstall then install again? Or just play for a week, stop, then play again?
Define "quit twice" please.
OMG! LMAOFOOC I laughed so hard at this I fell out of my chair ... Twice! omg thanks.....i needed that.
Macroers are right up there with gold spammers...they should have thier balls cut off and stuffed in thier mouths and be duct taped to a tree deep in the forest.....naked and bleeding.....
Yes I quit this nichey game for the second time. I am not a huge fan of the menus as they are all very slow to navigate. In addition, I find the controls primitive and the skills very lack luster and boring at the start of the game. Coolest features I liked was the ability to post on a public board dedicated to the guild in game... so you can talk smack or message guilds without actually having to know their site. Graphically its not that bad looking, mounts are bomb looking They've started cracking down on Macros and thats the only way I can see myself being a fulltime caster as you need components for everything, and its not like Asherons Call when you use it theres a chance it will be gone, its guranteed to be gone soon as you use it. I havent been banned but dont see the point of trying to play a game and then later on get banned for the only thing that keeps me sane while playing this game. Without macros its a huge grindfest one I do not want to be part of. Ganked a few, laughed a little, but thats it for me. ____________ Presentation **** 4* *** -- Controls and Menus are terrible, binding keys is terrible. Guild forums via ingame menus, very cool. Graphics **** 6 **** -- Not the worse I have seen, alright with the settings all the way up. Sound **** -1 **** -- Terrible sounds Gameplay **** 7 **** -- Potential Lasting Appeal **** 4 **** -- I guess it depends on how much you can grind it
Isnt it wonderful like about 2/3rd of the replies question the OP's sincerity, sanity, intentions or character. Alas thats SO familiar with every hyped game with rabid fan community, like it used to be with VG. God forbade anyone said anything negative about it, even when the failure was clear as the day. Seems the mentality, to blame the gamers, is always the same.
Yep! Couldn't agree more with you. And it seems DF fanbois are the worst of the worst when it comes to this kind of shit.
Don't you dare say anything negative about their game... Pathetic little people.
Isnt it wonderful like about 2/3rd of the replies question the OP's sincerity, sanity, intentions or character. Alas thats SO familiar with every hyped game with rabid fan community, like it used to be with VG. God forbade anyone said anything negative about it, even when the failure was clear as the day. Seems the mentality, to blame the gamers, is always the same.
Yep! Couldn't agree more with you. And it seems DF fanbois are the worst of the worst when it comes to this kind of shit.
Don't you dare say anything negative about their game... Pathetic little people.
The OP admits to being a cheater and your response is this?
Isnt it wonderful like about 2/3rd of the replies question the OP's sincerity, sanity, intentions or character. Alas thats SO familiar with every hyped game with rabid fan community, like it used to be with VG. God forbade anyone said anything negative about it, even when the failure was clear as the day. Seems the mentality, to blame the gamers, is always the same.
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You say you are not playing DF... Does than mean you don't want to play it, or that you just can't get in to buy it yet? Makes a big difference.
What does that have to do with the price of rice in china? I stated if I were to pick up this game I wouldn't take this review as a credible one. That is all, what are you trying to read into.
I am not trying to read anything into it. But it makes a difference if you are trying to get this game and are a huge fanboy of it. As opposed to just not interested in any MMO right now and are just looking for something.
I will not buy this game. It is just not what I am looking for. B ut I look a review of a game and make my own decision on it's validity. (Both the review and the game) I don't see a reason to post like what you posted other than being a fanboy or someone looking to start something. In other words, why are you posting your opinion of "his" review if you don't care about the game?
Lol a "Fanboi", I don't play MMO's right now because I don't have time, if I were to pick an MMO to play like I stated before. Yes I am an MMO fan not specific but I hope this game gets better I never said the game is great I never said it was bad just that this review is horrible and the fact he stated because of not being able to macro now even makes this more of a bogus biased review. You my friend sound like you would like to start something. As you stated my opinion and it is what it is, you picked at me.
So, just to get this straight, are you saying you would buy and play DF if you had more time to play MMOs?
And as far as the review goes... It is his opinion, if you don't like or don't believe his opinion that is great. My question to you has always been, why are you berating him for giving his opinion? It is after all HIS opinion and not yours. And he has every right to give it. So again why are you berating him for it? Are you on the other forums berating others who post bad reviews of that game? Or is it just here?
I agree with this guy
Cheaters can burn in a fire
People who only can play a game if macro is aloud or easy are stupid, its good if they leave.
But you did not play this game your just a silly troll.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
Isnt it wonderful like about 2/3rd of the replies question the OP's sincerity, sanity, intentions or character. Alas thats SO familiar with every hyped game with rabid fan community, like it used to be with VG. God forbade anyone said anything negative about it, even when the failure was clear as the day. Seems the mentality, to blame the gamers, is always the same.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Quite simple really, Ignorant is as Ignorant does. Hence why we have delusional slavering Tacos lap lickers extolling the virtues of the subject game.
That's because you are not supposed to be doing that.
You are supposed to be out in the world harvesting and fighting people or whatever. And its supposed to be about skills, not macroing up then going outside.
You won't be trading but more than, what... couple mins out of an hour?
It really looks like you quit because theres no Staples "Easy Buttons" to push. I hate to tell you, you are exactly the type of person Aventurine does NOT want in their game, and they would be happy to know you quit because of this.
They are looking for people who want to open RvR, not shoot at trees from town. How you figure this is the ONLY viable way for a tradesman is beyond me. Sounds like one viable way for goldsellers, that's about it.
Are you part of the Glider people that WoW just shut down looking for a new home?
"TO MICHAEL!"
while it sucks having to collect resourses to boost crafting skills... there should never been a macro based skill leveling as you may as well then have a GM or server admin tweek your character to be maxed in that skill tree...
im well versed in afk farming go play bounty bay online or the poorer english voyage century. both have a huge bot/multi problem with people afking farming for wood and iron. as it takes soo long to level skills in them... im sure way worse then DF has... as BBO is a korean based game...
but the fact you openly admit to doing that ruins any review credit you hold for your review.
as people will take your review and make their own thoughts and opionons based on it. if you quit because you cant macro in DF thats hardly president over say quiting because X skill doesnt work or X class cant use X gear (yes i know DF has no class tree.. its an example)
but the fact you quit twice the 2nd over macros... make your review worthless as you didnt quit for any real game based reason other then being unable to cheat your skills/gathering items.
the simple reason being if your macroing logging or something whats to stop you macroing items too? perhaps next you will sit for 24hrs crafting armor or something making your self super rich while joe shmoo who plays 2hrs a day doing the same thing cant...
as i understand it DF is a player run econ so marcos shouldnt be allowed period as that effects econ.. when people resell stuff to other players in vast amounts it lowers the player based good return on that item to the point everyone has the best of everything and the game becomes totally worthless and boring.
though thankyou for your review. i dont think many will heed it as valid though
Its not cheating, macroing for trades, I can be killed and looted while away... but I cannot sit there for hours clicking away at a tree/rock/bush.... Its the only viable option for tradesmen.
That's because you are not supposed to be doing that.
You are supposed to be out in the world harvesting and fighting people or whatever. And its supposed to be about skills, not macroing up then going outside.
You won't be trading but more than, what... couple mins out of an hour?
It really looks like you quit because theres no Staples "Easy Buttons" to push. I hate to tell you, you are exactly the type of person Aventurine does NOT want in their game, and they would be happy to know you quit because of this.
They are looking for people who want to open RvR, not shoot at trees from town. How you figure this is the ONLY viable way for a tradesman is beyond me. Sounds like one viable way for goldsellers, that's about it.
Are you part of the Glider people that WoW just shut down looking for a new home?
i'd just like to point out that if this is suposed to be an open ended "sandbox" game then yes if he wants to gather resources all day then that is how he is suposed to play
i myself feel if you enjoy the game then good for you enjoy it for all you can dont let other people run you down for you having fun
also and i'm just thowing it out if you enjoy the game it really doesnt matter if other people knock it or hate on it you dont need to defend your enjoyment
and now i'm gonna stfu and go back to wow
Its not cheating, macroing for trades, I can be killed and looted while away... but I cannot sit there for hours clicking away at a tree/rock/bush.... Its the only viable option for tradesmen.
That's because you are not supposed to be doing that.
You are supposed to be out in the world harvesting and fighting people or whatever. And its supposed to be about skills, not macroing up then going outside.
You won't be trading but more than, what... couple mins out of an hour?
It really looks like you quit because theres no Staples "Easy Buttons" to push. I hate to tell you, you are exactly the type of person Aventurine does NOT want in their game, and they would be happy to know you quit because of this.
They are looking for people who want to open RvR, not shoot at trees from town. How you figure this is the ONLY viable way for a tradesman is beyond me. Sounds like one viable way for goldsellers, that's about it.
Are you part of the Glider people that WoW just shut down looking for a new home?
i'd just like to point out that if this is suposed to be an open ended "sandbox" game then yes if he wants to gather resources all day then that is how he is suposed to play
i myself feel if you enjoy the game then good for you enjoy it for all you can dont let other people run you down for you having fun
also and i'm just thowing it out if you enjoy the game it really doesnt matter if other people knock it or hate on it you dont need to defend your enjoyment
and now i'm gonna stfu and go back to wow <--- Classic
I agree with you. In a game that's being called sandbox the options are supposed to be near limitless. There should be no restrictions on how you play.
However, macroing is not a game feature for a reason. As one poster said, macroing can effectively destroy a player run economy. I've seen it first hand in games and it's a terrible thing. When the best gear in the game becomes so cheap due to inflation that everyone can get it... what's the point? Aventurine has said that unattended botting will result in a kick, and later a ban for repeat offenders. They're not against players setting up macros to use while sitting at their computers to take away some of the tedium. If an action requires 3 clicks and you create a macro to reduce it to one, and then use that macro manually, then there isn't a problem. If you set a macro to repeat indefinitely and walk away so that you can come back to a fully loaded character that you only spent a few minutes on(the time it takes to set up the macro) then there's a problem. At that point you can't even call yourself a 'player' because you're not playing the game. You're letting it play itself while you reap the rewards.
To the OP and anyone else who's crying about Aventurine's stance on botting/macroing/hacks/exploits, I truly hope you decide to quit/avoid this game. The game is having a hard enough time as it is right now without the players doing their part to make things worse.
I agree that anyone should be able to do with whatever they want in a sandbox. But most of these people hating DF are saying its not even a sandbox. But even if it wasn't one, I agree you play how you like; you are the one paying the fee.
The problem comes from when someone just wants to make macros to do stuff unattended to their keyboard and aren't even playing the game anymore, which you know he's saying was his purpose. Again, these are the people DF does not want, they've said that over/over. They are really just taking up space. I got a feeling that if they ever got up to 10+ servers, then these people would be welcome, but not now.
Right now, they probably want active folks as any game that has massive oRvR battles depends on that, so they want to get guilds up and fighting each other now. The last thing they want is what happened in Warhammer, where you had everyone stuck in Scenarios fighting and the oRvR wasn't happening, because they funneled everyone that way.
What he is doing is clearly against the spirit of what the game is trying to project. Sitting in town macroing spells and stuff is not the spirit of the game when its designed to skill up by fighting other players and mobs. It's precisely why he didn't have fun.. its too much work to do it the other way. And when you are paying to play a game, it shouldn't be work.
If his idea of fun is games where you can macro everything, then he's 100% right to quit, before he got banned. Twice.
"TO MICHAEL!"
I 100% agree if your gonna pay to play a game you should do just that play it
I guess i was just trying to point out that there isnt a "right" way to play if someone wanted to gather resources all day or craft daggers all day they have every right to do so
i dont think that just because most people (guessing here as i havent played darkfall) are in it to pvp that thats the "right way to play"
trust me i know grinds can be unfun ( i still have bad dreams about pygmy goblins from DAOC ) but i take them as par for the course
again just my thoughts
and now again i will stfu and since wifes asleep go play fallout 3
4 + 6 + 7 + 4 - 1= 20.
20 divided by 5= 4.
You give overall score a 5. Interesting.
Also, the game has been out two weeks. How did you quit twice already? Wouldn't you still be on your first month's subscription? Did you uninstall then install again? Or just play for a week, stop, then play again?
Define "quit twice" please.
OMG! LMAOFOOC I laughed so hard at this I fell out of my chair ... Twice! omg thanks.....i needed that.
Macroers are right up there with gold spammers...they should have thier balls cut off and stuffed in thier mouths and be duct taped to a tree deep in the forest.....naked and bleeding.....
LOL, for the second time? lmao
Quit one time and quit forever. Quit two times and you've never really quit at all. Hehehe.
The one and only.
QQ go back to wow.
One less cheater. Yea!!!!!
(Perhaps this game is just not for you).
Ding ding ding!
Yep! Couldn't agree more with you. And it seems DF fanbois are the worst of the worst when it comes to this kind of shit.
Don't you dare say anything negative about their game... Pathetic little people.
Yep! Couldn't agree more with you. And it seems DF fanbois are the worst of the worst when it comes to this kind of shit.
Don't you dare say anything negative about their game... Pathetic little people.
The OP admits to being a cheater and your response is this?
LOL, Mr. Pot...
Agree at 100%