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Cryptic better start hyping this......
Drednaught
Member Posts: 115
I cannot believe how quiet the forum is for this game.Even on the official website there is very little information in relation to the game apart from a few videos.
After seeing the Lemuria vid they should be shouting the game from the rooftops,I mean come on an underwater zone,how awesome is that,and yet this forum is like a graveyard.
I think the gfx look amazing and basic outline for char creation/powers sounds very good,but I think they need to get on the soapbox and start getting this game out into MMO land.
They have to be careful they dont miss the boat with too little too late with regard to the hype/buzz/etc.
Gaming since 1985 and still going strong.
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it actually depends what circles you frequent... most potential Champions players won't come on MMORPG.com for various reasons, and generally aren't Forum posters. That's a relatively small segment of the desired market for this particular title.
Keeping in mind this might be the first MMO on the 360, effectively. All the instructions and whatnot are written 360 first, with PC in an afterthought-ish sort of position.
If that's true, there's no reason for a 360 player to be here yet, most of them don't know it's possible to play it on the 360. Most 360 players aren't Forum users in general.
Actually, funny story... all these games coming out pitching to the "casual gamer" and writing lengthy articles about it? yeah, casual gamers don't read articles about games on the web... they just play. It's the best market you're not really talking to ;-)
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
They kind lack in PR terms. Both STO and Champions... look at what other MMO companies did, regular updates, open betas. Cryptic just hands out a few (usually terrible) screenshots and thats it. I have the impression however that both their games just ARE quite mediocre, simple PEW PEW run around and shoot stuff-games, so maybe there jsut IS no reason to be hyped, ja ne?
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
Also keep in mind that I've seen several TV interviews with Bill Roper and a few others... where he hypes up the game.
Sans WoW, I've rarely have seen a MMO on CNN being hyped by the producer. Especially unreleased ones.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
Hype can be a bad thing, look at the hype AoC recieved and the crap that happened after launch, Tabula Rasa too. Warhammer had the same thing happen (but it's a slightly better game). Bioware is very quiet about their game, they're trying to keep hype at a minimum which I think is healthy for them.
True - hype can put pressure on game developers to get it out the door. I'd rather it stay low and let them get what "they" want done then when they are at that point hype would be fine.
But on the other hand....I wouldn't mind some more video clips!
Hype isn't what worked against those games.
Hype isn't what made those games launch the way they did.
If by Hype you mean releasing a product that isn't ready to release... and having a rather large amount of people coming in and then leaving. Sure I'll agree with you.
And yes I did slightly edit what I quoted so that I could agree with it depending on interpretation and personal point of view. Then again perhaps my performance expectations of companies based on their history is skewed or something.
Well theres some kind of hype you cant buy nor you can promote on media.
City of X playerbase.
Most of us,fans of that game see this game as the failed "City of Galaxys" (supposed to be the 3rd paid expansion of CoX).There is no Positron nor theres any Statesman and...tell you the truth,I dont give a $%$%#(never liked CoX "lore").
So i guess this will have to do for the moment but I really see a big breakdown on CoX subscriptions come the middle of june.
Just a quick note, Final Fantasy XI and Phantasy Star Online are both available on the 360
Cryptic doesn't crank up hype until they're ready to reveal the game as finished. They'll put out a little for fans, some screenshots, films and interviews, but they're not going to splash it all over months ahead of a launch.
I can pretty much guarantee they'll have a wide open "beta" for a few weeks before launch, partly to test server architecture, and partly to drum up word of mouth for the game. It's what they did with City of Heroes and I see no reason why they wouldn't repeat that launch.
Of course, if they really want to have a gigantic player base, they'll have to do what Blizzard did with WoW: throw tons of money at it, hype it from every direction, and run millions of dollars of tv advertisements.
thats true but the existing mmos are just ports that were played on earlier consoles - like the xbox or PS2
EQ2 fan sites
Ya know...i dont much remember CoH being "hyped" up...infact, im not even sure how i heard about like 4 yrs ago...but i did, picked it up and loved it for the 6 months that i played and got uber Bored. I like that the game isnt to hyped up, cause it means less expectations for those that just try it out through word of mouth or just when people are looking for something new. I have no doubt that I wont be enjoying it thow. cant wait.
I am curious to see what will happen to CoH/CoV subscirp's thow. I mean, Champ's being roughly the same thing, are people really ganna wanna go back and play a lesser version of something that was perfected.
I know CO is going to be a different game but nothing would make me shudder more in WoW or any of the other MMO's that I play than if they were to announce an Underwater zone or Instance. Most MMOs have swimming mechanics that make the 8-Bit Mario Brothers look good.
I agree with you to an extent. Over-hyping an unfinished Age of Conan created huge problems for Funcom. It meant they had to buy servers and hire customer support staff for about half a million people who (oops!) weren't going to still be there after the first free month. When you keep in mind that most of the retail price of a game is going to the publisher and the store that sells it, luring customers in with false promises created a pretty heavy financial blow.
Edit to say what I came to this thread to say in the first place: I'm sick of over-hyped games! I'm sick of developers talking about the features of thier games when the game is six months from release, and I'm even more sick of getting to that release date only to find that it's been postponed another six months. If Cryptic wants to stay quiet about Champions until May 15, I'll be pleased. If they release the game and let us hard-core types who use forums like these pound the crap out of it for two weeks, make a nice patch to fix the inevitable problems, and only start hyping the game on June 15, I'll be even happier.
Okay, I take it back. I'm sick of cominig here, looking at "Recent Forum Activity" and seeing that I made the two most recent posts. It would be nice if there was a little more chatter going on about the game.
actually i would much rather they don't hype it. Hype almost always ends up backfiring on a game (particularly in the past 2 years) and i think games needs to hold off until at least a beta stage before doing their marketing campaigns. I don't have a problem with interviews, little updates or a press release or two in the meantime just nothing crazy.
If you think about it why should they start hyping pre beta...the game is still up in the air on content and most companies start pointing at "unique" features that usually end up getting cut.
MMO wish list:
-Changeable worlds
-Solid non level based game
-Sharks with lasers attached to their heads
You're onto something there. There's no chatter about the game because there's nothing to discuss. We have very little concrete information about the game, just vague concepts and a few videos and screenshots. No character progression details, PvP mechanics, world dynamics, quest system, nothing.
Remember, it has to be fun to be a game. Grinding is a bedroom activity, and the point is definitely not to do my wife as fast as possible.
You're onto something there. There's no chatter about the game because there's nothing to discuss. We have very little concrete information about the game, just vague concepts and a few videos and screenshots. No character progression details, PvP mechanics, world dynamics, quest system, nothing.
Actually I feel I know a fair amount about the game... including progression details.
...it probably helps I tabletopped it to learn it...
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
You're onto something there. There's no chatter about the game because there's nothing to discuss. We have very little concrete information about the game, just vague concepts and a few videos and screenshots. No character progression details, PvP mechanics, world dynamics, quest system, nothing.
Actually I feel I know a fair amount about the game... including progression details.
...it probably helps I tabletopped it to learn it...
Probably. I asked some of the comic book junkies around here and none of them had even heard of the Champions PnP system, so we're all completely in the dark. One just simply asked, "So, is this a City of Heroes rip?"
Remember, it has to be fun to be a game. Grinding is a bedroom activity, and the point is definitely not to do my wife as fast as possible.
You're onto something there. There's no chatter about the game because there's nothing to discuss. We have very little concrete information about the game, just vague concepts and a few videos and screenshots. No character progression details, PvP mechanics, world dynamics, quest system, nothing.
Actually I feel I know a fair amount about the game... including progression details.
...it probably helps I tabletopped it to learn it...
Probably. I asked some of the comic book junkies around here and none of them had even heard of the Champions PnP system, so we're all completely in the dark. One just simply asked, "So, is this a City of Heroes rip?"
Exactly. There is a fine line between not overhyping and totally being in the dark. Lotsa people never heard of ANY Champions hero let alone the game itself. Given they have to compete with JLA-holding DC they really should put a bit more effort. Its not exactly about unfounded hype, but good info, good PR and making something known to the community. A good PR is, when even those know about a game who never cared to look for the info by themselves. Whats making a MMO good for, when a vast number of MMO gamers doesnt even know it exists?
Just go to any of the mayor MMOs, LOTRO, WOW, EQ2, WAR - and make a random ask who has heard of "Champions Online", and I bet most wont even know what you are talking about.
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
in fairness, back when there was less mmos like Everquest, DAOC, AC
if you asked who has heard of "City of Heroes" or any new forthcoming mmo (besides Blizzards) and get the same puzzled look
even when DAOC or Anarchy Online launched ,
most of my EQ friends never heard of these games
EQ2 fan sites
I light of the many of over hyped games failing to live up to that hype, perhaps we should curb our enthusiasm for any future game until it is in open beta or released.
CO is not over hyped, but to not even have some mild hype from Cryptic, that is not a good sign. Unless you know your game is trash, why wouldn't you try to promote it to some reasonable extent? Since Marvel pulled out, maybe they have a mess of a game that they are just trying to patch together and push out the door.
Of course I might just being overly negative, but that's where developers and publishers have put me when it comes to new games.
They're just being true to their company name, Cryptic, hehe.
I barely know anything about the game, but it could be they are in a stage where not a lot of info can come out, or they just have poor PR. The little I have heard has left me with a slightly disinterested feel. I'll probably give the game a shot when it comes out, but I don't care when it comes out.
That could be a good thing though. When I do try it, I could be pleasantly surprised since I had no interest to begin with, lol.
I played the PnP game, too. It was a long time ago, and I barely remember the system. But knowing the Champions RPG doesn't make me feel like I know what character progression will be like in Champions Onlne. Knowing the D&D 3x ruleset didn't prepare people for the character progression system in Dungeons & Dragons Online.
I played the PnP game, too. It was a long time ago, and I barely remember the system. But knowing the Champions RPG doesn't make me feel like I know what character progression will be like in Champions Onlne. Knowing the D&D 3x ruleset didn't prepare people for the character progression system in Dungeons & Dragons Online.
Seeing it in the Beta helps gauge exactly how it works... glad the room mate is in Beta.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
yep hype can create a huge amount of pressure. not in just gameing, but also in sports and such. hype is a double edged blade, bringing your game/team/whatever to the notice of a large amount of people, but that large amount of people can cause a huge amount of pressure to finish before it is ready or preform outside what you are comforatble with.