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Hardcore doesnt =(equal)= 100% more Skill then Carebare MMO?

tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819

Hardcore doesnt =(equal)= 100% more Skill then Carebare MMO?

Right?

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  • schloobschloob Member Posts: 160

    You are exactly right.  MMORPG are time based.  The more time you play them the better your character is, period.  Throw in the ability to use teamwork, pay attention, and follow raid directions and you are a good player.  When you aren't good at anything in life you start making things up like that you are super skilled at a video game because you can sneak up behind someone and gank them when they are harvesting iron.  Give me a break.  If you gave your character to a 12 year old he too could sneak up behind said person harvesting and gank them.  Now don't get me wrong, there are games like Warcraft 3, CS, TF2 that do take skill but a MMORPG where you run around with a pack of people that are better equiped than the competition?  Give me a break.  If 2 naked level 1s fought, it would be a toss-up on who won over the course of 10 matches... In CS or TF2, 1 person could beat 5 other people every single time indefinately.  I just laugh when I read "this game isn't for you" or "it takes skill and smarts" like I haven't been a raid leader in several games and played them for 12 years and I am not as smart as people typing incomprehensible bable on the forums.  I would never tell anyone that I am more skillful at a MMORPG than them, just that I am more experienced or my character is stronger or that I have a better grasp of the fundamentals.

  • Lord_MarshalLord_Marshal Member Posts: 58

    carebear

  • schloobschloob Member Posts: 160

    carebear in professional game that lasts years >>> hardcore in terrible amature game that lasts a couple months

  • gnlLucidgnlLucid Member Posts: 310
    Originally posted by schloob


    carebear in professional game that lasts years >>> hardcore in terrible amature game that lasts a couple months

     

    Perfect statement.  I think I might quote you on this some day.

  • tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819

    But what is Hardcore?

  • RoflanRoflan Member Posts: 97

    Deleting your character and restarting from level 1 every time it dies.

  • GorillaGorilla Member UncommonPosts: 2,235

     Hardcore usually = mindless repetition of a simple task to get a 'peanut' at the end. Neeeds to be for hundreds (or at least dozens) of hours to be really hardcore. In DF that consists of a simple left click at a stationary spot on the screen over and over. Oh except for combat thats a left click on a moving spot on the screes, a bit like wack a mole.

    Brad McGrind (The Jolly Green Ranger) introduced the world to 'hardcore' however he never really managed to deliver it except in a midless tedious way (camping 1-2 days real time for the SoW boots, yeah right).

  • tro44_1tro44_1 Member Posts: 1,819

    What makes WoW's End Game hard core.

    What makes DF's PvP Hard Core?

    What makes Warhammer's PvP Hard Core?

    What makes Guild Wars hard core?

  • schloobschloob Member Posts: 160
    Originally posted by tro44_1


    What makes WoW's End Game hard core.
    What makes DF's PvP Hard Core?
    What makes Warhammer's PvP Hard Core?
    What makes Guild Wars hard core?

    Nothing.  It is just a stupid made-up placeholder to make people feel better about themselves.  I would take 100 top ranked WoW PvPers in a guild over forum whores that label themselves 'hardcore' because they gank people while they are harvesting or killing DF's only mob:  goblins.

  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730


    Originally posted by tro44_1

    What makes WoW's End Game hard core.
    What makes DF's PvP Hard Core?
    What makes Warhammer's PvP Hard Core?
    What makes Guild Wars hard core?


    Absolutely nothing. These are always self-congratulatory descriptors, as pointed out above, used by certain people to make them feel better about themselves.

    The claim goes as such:
    X game takes a lot of skill, and is hardcore.
    I play X game.
    Therefore, I have a lot of skill, and am hardcore.

    The fact that it regards a game or hobby is what makes it pathetic.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • fischsemmelfischsemmel Member UncommonPosts: 364

    This thread delivers.

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993

    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

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  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?

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  • loxleynewloxleynew Member Posts: 264
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

     

    Don't you spend just as much time trolling as well? And yes absolute positive above and beyond is trolling as well.

  • RohnRohn Member UncommonPosts: 3,730
    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?



     

    Game, set, and match.  Heartless moves on to the semi-finals.

    Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?



     

    Game, set, and match.  Heartless moves on to the semi-finals.

     

    Not a all, i am spending time at MY games forum ..he mentioned 2 different games that are NOT related to these forum .. way  to bias the result..i found it funny and ironically  that someone has been asked about games and he mentioned 2 that have nothing to do with the place he has been asked at and he answered at..

    Like meeting someone in a a brewery and when asked he says i am drinking wine and cola the whole day..

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?



     

    Game, set, and match.  Heartless moves on to the semi-finals.

     

    Not a all, i am spending time at MY games forum ..he mentioned 2 different games that are NOT related to these forum .. way  to bias the result..i found it funny and ironically  that someone has been asked about games and he mentioned 2 that have nothing to do with the place he has been asked at and he answered at..

    Like meeting someone in a a brewery and when asked he says i am drinking wine and cola the whole day..

    Just to clarify. This is an MMORPG.com forum, not an official Darkfall forum. You do not see me posting on the official Darkfall forums but being that I frequent this web site to read up on news and recent developments in the MMO industry, I read and post in all sorts of forums on this web site.

    I find it funny and "ironically" that you're trolling these forums instead of playing the game or posting on the official Darkfall forums.

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  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?



     

    Game, set, and match.  Heartless moves on to the semi-finals.

     

    Not a all, i am spending time at MY games forum ..he mentioned 2 different games that are NOT related to these forum .. way  to bias the result..i found it funny and ironically  that someone has been asked about games and he mentioned 2 that have nothing to do with the place he has been asked at and he answered at..

    Like meeting someone in a a brewery and when asked he says i am drinking wine and cola the whole day..

    Just to clarify. This is an MMORPG.com forum, not an official Darkfall forum. You do not see me posting on the official Darkfall forums but being that I frequent this web site to read up on news and recent developments in the MMO industry, I read and post in all sorts of forums on this web site.

    I find it funny and "ironically" that you're trolling these forums instead of playing the game or posting on the official Darkfall forums.

     

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you not play.. you mentioned you play 2 games ..going by  the number of posts you   invest in the game you have minor or no interest in..then i will not know number of post in forums you have interest in..

    The question then is legit where you  you find  the time to play these 2 games ...where you find all these free time ?

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • heartlessheartless Member UncommonPosts: 4,993
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?



     

    Game, set, and match.  Heartless moves on to the semi-finals.

     

    Not a all, i am spending time at MY games forum ..he mentioned 2 different games that are NOT related to these forum .. way  to bias the result..i found it funny and ironically  that someone has been asked about games and he mentioned 2 that have nothing to do with the place he has been asked at and he answered at..

    Like meeting someone in a a brewery and when asked he says i am drinking wine and cola the whole day..

    Just to clarify. This is an MMORPG.com forum, not an official Darkfall forum. You do not see me posting on the official Darkfall forums but being that I frequent this web site to read up on news and recent developments in the MMO industry, I read and post in all sorts of forums on this web site.

    I find it funny and "ironically" that you're trolling these forums instead of playing the game or posting on the official Darkfall forums.

     

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you not play.. you mentioned you play 2 games ..going by  the umber of posts you   invest in the game you have minor or no interest in..then i will not know number of post in forums you have interest in..

    The question then is legit where you  you find  the time to play these 2 games ...

    Why do you assume that I have no interest in Darkfall? Just because I play other games, doesn't mean that I can't show interest in others.

    As for your legit question, I'll humor you, although I'm not exactly sure what my gaming habits have to do with this discussion. I don't constantly play MMORPGs like some people do. To give you an idea, I'll play EVE for a few days, then play LOTRO for the next few days. Or maybe I'll get on EVE and set a skill to train and/or set up a factory to run a blueprint, then get on LOTRO and do a few quests. Or maybe, I'll play GTAIV instead... Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm explaining this to you but there you have it. Hopefully that clarifies my gaming habits a bit for you.

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  • xXfinchXxxXfinchXx Member Posts: 2
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by Rohn

    Originally posted by heartless

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by heartless


    I play EVE Online and Lord of the Rings Online. Would that make me a hardcore carebear?

     

    Play ? I see your play time limited by extensive time spending this forum trolling about a game you don't play lol

     

     

    Pot calls kettle?



     

    Game, set, and match.  Heartless moves on to the semi-finals.

     

    Not a all, i am spending time at MY games forum ..he mentioned 2 different games that are NOT related to these forum .. way  to bias the result..i found it funny and ironically  that someone has been asked about games and he mentioned 2 that have nothing to do with the place he has been asked at and he answered at..

    Like meeting someone in a a brewery and when asked he says i am drinking wine and cola the whole day..

    Just to clarify. This is an MMORPG.com forum, not an official Darkfall forum. You do not see me posting on the official Darkfall forums but being that I frequent this web site to read up on news and recent developments in the MMO industry, I read and post in all sorts of forums on this web site.

    I find it funny and "ironically" that you're trolling these forums instead of playing the game or posting on the official Darkfall forums.

     

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you not play.. you mentioned you play 2 games ..going by  the number of posts you   invest in the game you have minor or no interest in..then i will not know number of post in forums you have interest in..

    The question then is legit where you  you find  the time to play these 2 games ...where you find all these free time ?

    This may be my first post but it is completely worth it.

    The above has been revised for those that only understand English.

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you do not play. You mentioned that you play 2 games. Going by the number of posts you have, you invest in the game you have little to no interest in. So how would I know what games you have interest in?

    The question then is legit; Where do you find the time to play these 2 games? Where do you find all the free time ?

     

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  • LynxJSALynxJSA Member RarePosts: 3,334
    Originally posted by schloob


    You are exactly right.  MMORPG are time based.  The more time you play them the better your character is, period.

     

    That's true of the EQ variants, but not all MMOs are made that way. Some MMOs rely on player improvement instead of simply repeating tasks to increase character stats. The first two that come to mind are on opposite ends of the spectrum - Puzzle Pirates and EVE Online.

     

    In Puzzle Pirates, you can do puzzles endlessly and your rank won't go up until you actually improve at them. In most MMOs, you can suck at fighting rats/bears/spiders/goblins/etc, but as long as you invest enough time and fight enough of them, you will eventually increase in rank. In PvP matches, you need to play against people who are of higher rank in order to advance your own. Quite the opposite of the standard formula in MMOs where the fastest and most common way to advance in XP or rank is to farm lower levels or weaker opponents.

    In EVE Online, tactics and preparation come into play. Equally important is social skills. These are traits of the player himself, and the greater that player is at these, the more he will advance, be it on the battle field, up the corporate ladder or at building his own empire.

     

    Your follow up post on the difference between carebear and hardcore MMOs was great. :)

     

     

    -- Whammy - a 64x64 miniRPG 
    RPG Quiz - can you get all 25 right? 
    FPS Quiz - how well do you know your shooters?  
  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by xXfinchXx

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden



     

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you not play.. you mentioned you play 2 games ..going by  the number of posts you   invest in the game you have minor or no interest in..then i will not know number of post in forums you have interest in..

    The question then is legit where you  you find  the time to play these 2 games ...where you find all these free time ?

    This may be my first post but it is completely worth it.

    The above has been revised for those that only understand English.

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you do not play. You mentioned that you play 2 games. Going by the number of posts you have, you invest in the game you have little to no interest in. So how would I know what games you have interest in?

    The question then is legit; Where do you find the time to play these 2 games? Where do you find all the free time ?

     

     

    Thanks. I will need you  for the future too..please be ready  for offer more of that service ..but there are minor errors ...

    "Going by the number of posts you have, you invest in the game you have little to no interest in. So how would I know what games you have interest in?"

    I would like to translate this to something means .."wow a lot of posts in a game you not interested in.. i all ask myself how much more post you have in games you are interested in and there are 2 of them ..or better i don't count them (meaning would take too long)"

    Thank you in advance ... 

     

     

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • DarthRaidenDarthRaiden Member UncommonPosts: 4,333
    Originally posted by heartless


    Why do you assume that I have no interest in Darkfall? Just because I play other games, doesn't mean that I can't show interest in others.
    As for your legit question, I'll humor you, although I'm not exactly sure what my gaming habits have to do with this discussion. I don't constantly play MMORPGs like some people do. To give you an idea, I'll play EVE for a few days, then play LOTRO for the next few days. Or maybe I'll get on EVE and set a skill to train and/or set up a factory to run a blueprint, then get on LOTRO and do a few quests. Or maybe, I'll play GTAIV instead... Anyway, I'm not sure why I'm explaining this to you but there you have it. Hopefully that clarifies my gaming habits a bit for you.

     

    because you don't play it ? because you don't miss the opportunity to talk bad about it..because you attack its supporters opinions and fans reviews..the company and  all what has to do with the game..? i never have read a post of your showing some honest  interest  towards the game..

    all good reasons to assume you not honestly interested in it..

    -----MY-TERMS-OF-USE--------------------------------------------------
    $OE - eternal enemy of online gaming
    -We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!

    "There was suppression of speech and all kinds of things between disturbing and fascistic." Raph Koster (parted $OE)

  • beaverzbeaverz Member Posts: 660
    Originally posted by DarthRaiden

    Originally posted by xXfinchXx

    Originally posted by DarthRaiden



     

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you not play.. you mentioned you play 2 games ..going by  the number of posts you   invest in the game you have minor or no interest in..then i will not know number of post in forums you have interest in..

    The question then is legit where you  you find  the time to play these 2 games ...where you find all these free time ?

    This may be my first post but it is completely worth it.

    The above has been revised for those that only understand English.

    You spend a lot of time in a forum of game you do not play. You mentioned that you play 2 games. Going by the number of posts you have, you invest in the game you have little to no interest in. So how would I know what games you have interest in?

    The question then is legit; Where do you find the time to play these 2 games? Where do you find all the free time ?

     

     

    Thanks. I will need you  for the future too..please be ready  for offer more of that service ..but there are minor errors ...

    "Going by the number of posts you have, you invest in the game you have little to no interest in. So how would I know what games you have interest in?"

    I would like to translate this to something means .."wow a lot of posts in a game you not interested in.. i all ask myself how much more post you have in games you are interested in and there are 2 of them ..or better i don't count them (meaning would take too long)"

    Thank you in advance ... 

     

     

    Quoting: more fun than playing games.

    I'm not a no life that sits in front of his computer all day long, I'm an intern that sits in front of his computer all day long.

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