The difference is the lore in EvE supports single player ships. Group the ships together and you're in MMO land. The lore of Star Trek, generally speaking does not support single player ships. Its counter to what the Star Trek experience is for a lot of people.
How can it be massive when it is only single? Duh?
Who says you have to group together to be massive? I've seen massive groups of single people. Ever been to a mall? Massive groups of single people doing their own thing at the same time in the same place.
I'm sure you have solo'd in a mmorpg. What are you doing? You're a single person running around in a massive group of people doing your own thing.
How can it be massive when it is only single? Duh?
Who says you have to group together to be massive? I've seen massive groups of single people. Ever been to a mall? Massive groups of single people doing their own thing at the same time in the same place.
I'm sure you have solo'd in a mmorpg. What are you doing? You're a single person running around in a massive group of people doing your own thing.
The thing is, you have this small group of activists that miss the old days when you were forced to group together in order to advance in the game. They don't realize that those days are over because developers learned long ago that type of system is not popular and becomes old real quick for players that have lives outside the virtual world. Many of these people miss the old days of being superior to others because they spent all their time in the gaming world and thus had an advantage they could use to exploit or bully others with.
What I find most disgusting with these people is that they already have the option to group together in all these games if they want to. It's just not forced on others. They can form guilds and do whatever their imaginations desire in groups. Maybe they aren't finding it easy anymore to find friends in game without the forced aspect, I don't know. But it's real disengenious of them to say that social and group aspects aren't in games anymore when they very much are.
So in Star Trek Online: Captain Kirk (Picard, Sisko) is a PC Spock (Data, Riker, Chakotay) is an NPC McCoy (Crusher, Bashir) is an NPC Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Chapel, Rand, Troi, LaForge, Odo, Seven of Nine, and all of the redshirts are NPCs And this is a good thing ??????????
STO takes place 30 years after Nemesis so all the above people you mentioned are either in their graves or retired.
So in Star Trek Online: Captain Kirk (Picard, Sisko) is a PC Spock (Data, Riker, Chakotay) is an NPC McCoy (Crusher, Bashir) is an NPC Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Chapel, Rand, Troi, LaForge, Odo, Seven of Nine, and all of the redshirts are NPCs And this is a good thing ??????????
STO takes place 30 years after Nemesis so all the above people you mentioned are either in their graves or retired.
He was, I am sure, making a point about the legacy of Trek and how it is represented in STO. You can include Janeway and Chakotay and Tuvok and Seven of Nine and The Doctor and Paris and Kim and Torres as well.
So he is saying that STO will just the The Captain. The lesser roles are just NPC, and that goes agaisnt the teamwork and crew mentaltiy of Trek in general. Cryptic should have tried harder to make STO a crewed game.
So in Star Trek Online: Captain Kirk (Picard, Sisko) is a PC Spock (Data, Riker, Chakotay) is an NPC McCoy (Crusher, Bashir) is an NPC Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Chapel, Rand, Troi, LaForge, Odo, Seven of Nine, and all of the redshirts are NPCs And this is a good thing ??????????
STO takes place 30 years after Nemesis so all the above people you mentioned are either in their graves or retired.
I love people that read text, but don't read context. Honestly, you completly missed his point, why not reread it, formulate another opinion, and then edit your post.
Who exactly would want to be a member of the crew? Maybe 1 out of a 1000 people? Only the real RP people I'm sure.
The result would be the same (NPC crews with player captains). So why waste time and money developing features that noone will use? The resources could be used in much better ways IMHO.
I am not a Player Crew person, as I don't really see how it could work. (full time anyhow) Looking past surface value of what the premise of the game is, I don't think it's an unreasonable assumption that this is a single player game. This is in evidence by the misspelling of the title of their own game. Sadly, this is becoming a more common mistake these days. It's also a coincidence that games with misspelled titles are proving to be massive single player games.
Easy. Ships above a certain class size require x number of players to pilot. Posittions can be filled either by npc's or other players. Skill of the npc's determined by level/skill of the captain. Stations crewed by players receive a small bonus to whatever it is they do.
The upshot would be that you can captain small craft on your own or captain larger ships with either npc's or a player crew. That would be (imo) a dynamic of an MMO that caters to lots of different kinds of players. The fact they could have gone this or some other route and chose not to is why people say its a single player game with multiplayer rather than an MMO.
Someone hire this guy. Apparently these ideas are hard to come by at Cryptic, Adventurine, Funcom, SOE...
Who exactly would want to be a member of the crew? Maybe 1 out of a 1000 people? Only the real RP people I'm sure.
The result would be the same (NPC crews with player captains). So why waste time and money developing features that noone will use? The resources could be used in much better ways IMHO.
Did it all the time in SWG...if you are playing a multiplayer game, you do something only some kids learn how to do - take turns. It was fun running the weapons systems, shield systems and droid programs, or repairing the ship- yelling over Vent "I can't repair it quick enough, evade!"
Who exactly would want to be a member of the crew? Maybe 1 out of a 1000 people? Only the real RP people I'm sure.
The result would be the same (NPC crews with player captains). So why waste time and money developing features that noone will use? The resources could be used in much better ways IMHO.
Did it all the time in SWG...if you are playing a multiplayer game, you do something only some kids learn how to do - take turns. It was fun running the weapons systems, shield systems and droid programs, or repairing the ship- yelling over Vent "I can't repair it quick enough, evade!"
Sounds absolutely boring. Thank God it'll not be like that in STO.
Sounds like I'll DEFINATELY be giving this game a pass....limited use of ship interiors, your ship as avatar in space and no multi-player ships available. I'm sure that has appeal to some people...but for me.. I might as well be playing Solitare or Minesweeper.
They come on my computer for free...and sound just about as exciting as this game does at the moment.
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done.
Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done. Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So this is Eve W/O any of the things that make Eve good... and star trek painted on the hull? No thx.
Call me when they get off their butts and out in ship crews.
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I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done. Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done. Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done. Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
Flying around space is not all you will be doing. If it was you wouldn't have access to the large customability that will be available in creating your character. Your character will be seen more often than not because you WILL see the interiors of ships and stations when you are doing missions. You just won't have free roaming capablitlities at launch. For goodness sakes watch the in-game video they did a few months ago. You will be doing a lot of stuff in space, inside ships and stations and on land.
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done. Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
Flying around space is not all you will be doing. If it was you wouldn't have access to the large customability that will be available in creating your character. Your character will be seen more often than not because you WILL see the interiors of ships and stations when you are doing missions. You just won't have free roaming capablitlities at launch. For goodness sakes watch the in-game video they did a few months ago. You will be doing a lot of stuff in space, inside ships and stations and on land.
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done. Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
Flying around space is not all you will be doing. If it was you wouldn't have access to the large customability that will be available in creating your character. Your character will be seen more often than not because you WILL see the interiors of ships and stations when you are doing missions. You just won't have free roaming capablitlities at launch. For goodness sakes watch the in-game video they did a few months ago. You will be doing a lot of stuff in space, inside ships and stations and on land.
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Not sure what version of Star Trek you watched, but Space was not the be all and end all of it. And for the trillionth time, free roaming interiors will not be in at launch, but will be in soon after. Take it or leave it.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Not sure how the missions willl be. We do know many will take place inside ships and starbases. What difference does it make if it's instanced? If you want to talk to people, then use the friggin chat command feature that is in every game. Nothing is stopping you from grouping. I see this same kind of charge leveled at World of Warcraft yet there is millions of people playing together all the time in groups and having a blast. The difference is it's not forced.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
It isn't like that at all but I see no point in arguing with you. You have your myths and no amount of facts will change that. Your loss not mine.
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
Soo0000 in summation, you need mmos to force others to interact with you, instead of them allowing people to make their own choices as to whom they interact with.
Isn't that special.
When you were a kid did you get your dad to threaten people so they'd play with you too?
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
Soo0000 in summation, you need mmos to force others to interact with you, instead of them allowing people to make their own choices as to whom they interact with.
Isn't that special.
When you were a kid did you get your dad to threaten people so they'd play with you too?
Who said force... ALLOW/SUPPORT/ENABLE.... is all most people are looking for. Basicaly the only thing STO seems to be offering along those lines is a global chat command... that's not enough to put the "Multi-Player" in MMO.
Lets look at other games... for example LOTRO (which I'm playing now)...
Your character is your avatar everywhere you go... you as an individual human (elf, dwarf, hobbit) interact with other individual humans with pretty much the full range of interactions available to human beings.
Although there is some use of instances... The vast majority of the environment is SHARED among all users of that server...not just towns or shops but wilderness and adventure areas as well. You can bump into and interact with any number of individuals while roaming around... They don't have to be members of your party or guild or anything like that.... and your range of interactions with them are fairly open (You can help them take down a monster, even if it isn't tagged as "yours", you can heal them, buff them with a spell, trade items, talk, emote, chalange to a duel, play them a song, help with a quest, give directions, etc).
No one is "forced" to group in order to do basic advancement.... but the benefits of grouping are obvious, as working as part of a team makes things easier to get done. Co-Operative play...and working together as a team to overcome certain chalanges is a major portion of what makes the MMO experience fun. As a solo player, some quests/content/instances might be too hard to complete on your own...but there are plenty of other quests you can solo. You could advance from level 1 to level cap without ever grouping with anyone if you really wanted to.
Scripted instances do play a role in the game (some dungeons and epic quests are instanced)... but they are just a small part of the overall game environment.... the vast majority of the environment is a shared environment. I could go into the many additional tools to support the social aspects of the game...but this thread isn't about LOTRO it's about STO.
In STO by comparison...
The shared environment space is limited to...
- space, where my avatar is my ship (i.e. I'm interacting as a "ship" not an individual being)
- a VERY limited number of space stations, that will act as the "Towns" of Star Trek....
And that's it.
The only adventure space where I can interact with an individual being with other individual beings are scripted missions.... and those are limited to my PARTY (a maximum of 5 people).....and we are already going in there and will only remain in there for the specific purpose of completing that instance objective.... nothing spontaneous or off-the-cuff happening.... and even there ALL of those party members can easly be replaced by Bots.
There really is very little room/support or reason d' etire for social interaction in the game. Certainly not the type that you would see ROUTIENELY in the series where crewmen were interacting with each other or with other entities/individuals routienely aboard the ship or on planets, both to work together to solve problems or to simply establish ties.
So instead of....
"Scotty.... get the Shields back online!"
"Sulu.... keep up evasive manuvers to we get those shields up!"
"Spock.....figure out what kind of entity we are dealing with and why it's attacking!"
"Bones.... Whats going on down there on the Planet? You've run across a Klingon Landing Party? See if you can negotiate with them to find out if they know what's going on in this system."
....And all the interactions and teamwork the above would entail. We have....
Player presses repair shields hotbar key
Player wiggles joystick.
Player presses sensor hotbar key
Player clicks "Beam Down to Planet 239" button, followed by his 5 pet NPC's.
Done..... and MAYBE if your lucky some scrippted/canned NPC feedback.
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I suppose that means EvE is also a mmospg? heh
The difference is the lore in EvE supports single player ships. Group the ships together and you're in MMO land. The lore of Star Trek, generally speaking does not support single player ships. Its counter to what the Star Trek experience is for a lot of people.
Who says you have to group together to be massive? I've seen massive groups of single people. Ever been to a mall? Massive groups of single people doing their own thing at the same time in the same place.
I'm sure you have solo'd in a mmorpg. What are you doing? You're a single person running around in a massive group of people doing your own thing.
Who says you have to group together to be massive? I've seen massive groups of single people. Ever been to a mall? Massive groups of single people doing their own thing at the same time in the same place.
I'm sure you have solo'd in a mmorpg. What are you doing? You're a single person running around in a massive group of people doing your own thing.
The thing is, you have this small group of activists that miss the old days when you were forced to group together in order to advance in the game. They don't realize that those days are over because developers learned long ago that type of system is not popular and becomes old real quick for players that have lives outside the virtual world. Many of these people miss the old days of being superior to others because they spent all their time in the gaming world and thus had an advantage they could use to exploit or bully others with.
What I find most disgusting with these people is that they already have the option to group together in all these games if they want to. It's just not forced on others. They can form guilds and do whatever their imaginations desire in groups. Maybe they aren't finding it easy anymore to find friends in game without the forced aspect, I don't know. But it's real disengenious of them to say that social and group aspects aren't in games anymore when they very much are.
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So in Star Trek Online:
Captain Kirk (Picard, Sisko) is a PC
Spock (Data, Riker, Chakotay) is an NPC
McCoy (Crusher, Bashir) is an NPC
Sulu, Chekov, Uhura, Chapel, Rand, Troi, LaForge, Odo, Seven of Nine, and all of the redshirts are NPCs
And this is a good thing ??????????
STO takes place 30 years after Nemesis so all the above people you mentioned are either in their graves or retired.
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STO takes place 30 years after Nemesis so all the above people you mentioned are either in their graves or retired.
He was, I am sure, making a point about the legacy of Trek and how it is represented in STO. You can include Janeway and Chakotay and Tuvok and Seven of Nine and The Doctor and Paris and Kim and Torres as well.
So he is saying that STO will just the The Captain. The lesser roles are just NPC, and that goes agaisnt the teamwork and crew mentaltiy of Trek in general. Cryptic should have tried harder to make STO a crewed game.
STO takes place 30 years after Nemesis so all the above people you mentioned are either in their graves or retired.
I love people that read text, but don't read context. Honestly, you completly missed his point, why not reread it, formulate another opinion, and then edit your post.
Who exactly would want to be a member of the crew? Maybe 1 out of a 1000 people? Only the real RP people I'm sure.
The result would be the same (NPC crews with player captains). So why waste time and money developing features that noone will use? The resources could be used in much better ways IMHO.
Easy. Ships above a certain class size require x number of players to pilot. Posittions can be filled either by npc's or other players. Skill of the npc's determined by level/skill of the captain. Stations crewed by players receive a small bonus to whatever it is they do.
The upshot would be that you can captain small craft on your own or captain larger ships with either npc's or a player crew. That would be (imo) a dynamic of an MMO that caters to lots of different kinds of players. The fact they could have gone this or some other route and chose not to is why people say its a single player game with multiplayer rather than an MMO.
Someone hire this guy. Apparently these ideas are hard to come by at Cryptic, Adventurine, Funcom, SOE...
Did it all the time in SWG...if you are playing a multiplayer game, you do something only some kids learn how to do - take turns. It was fun running the weapons systems, shield systems and droid programs, or repairing the ship- yelling over Vent "I can't repair it quick enough, evade!"
Did it all the time in SWG...if you are playing a multiplayer game, you do something only some kids learn how to do - take turns. It was fun running the weapons systems, shield systems and droid programs, or repairing the ship- yelling over Vent "I can't repair it quick enough, evade!"
Sounds absolutely boring. Thank God it'll not be like that in STO.
Well,
Sounds like I'll DEFINATELY be giving this game a pass....limited use of ship interiors, your ship as avatar in space and no multi-player ships available. I'm sure that has appeal to some people...but for me.. I might as well be playing Solitare or Minesweeper.
They come on my computer for free...and sound just about as exciting as this game does at the moment.
I like the design. I'm sick and tired of being dependent on a bunch of jerkwads in order to have fun. I group WITH other people IF and WHEN I want to. It is exactly this reason why I don't like and don't do raids. I like playing in a game world with other people, but I do not like being forced to group with them in order to get even the basics, let alone the fun stuff done.
Cudos to Cryptic for seeing that most of us are not freakish geeks on power trips who expect everyone else to fall in line with their wierd play style.
With PvE raiding, it has never been a question of being "good enough". I play games to have fun, not to be a simpering toady sitting through hour after hour of mind numbing boredom and fawning over a guild master in the hopes that he will condescend to reward me with shiny bits of loot. But in games where those people get the highest progression, anyone who doesn't do that will just be a moving target for them and I'll be damned if I'm going to pay money for the privilege. - Neanderthal
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So this is Eve W/O any of the things that make Eve good... and star trek painted on the hull? No thx.
Call me when they get off their butts and out in ship crews.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
what I am hearing right now they need to change direction or this is notgoing in the right direction.
played:WoW and Eve off and on 5 years
Tried:CoH/V, PoTBS, War, TR, STO, FE
TOR is likely to rock
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
Flying around space is not all you will be doing. If it was you wouldn't have access to the large customability that will be available in creating your character. Your character will be seen more often than not because you WILL see the interiors of ships and stations when you are doing missions. You just won't have free roaming capablitlities at launch. For goodness sakes watch the in-game video they did a few months ago. You will be doing a lot of stuff in space, inside ships and stations and on land.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Actually just about everything is right on track an in the exact right direction toward this being an extremely fun Star Trek game to play.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
Flying around space is not all you will be doing. If it was you wouldn't have access to the large customability that will be available in creating your character. Your character will be seen more often than not because you WILL see the interiors of ships and stations when you are doing missions. You just won't have free roaming capablitlities at launch. For goodness sakes watch the in-game video they did a few months ago. You will be doing a lot of stuff in space, inside ships and stations and on land.
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
Well, if the ONLY people that are willing to let you group with them are "freakish geeks on power trips"......
... As they say, THAT could be your problem right there!
Strangely I've never had a problem finding nice, fun, mature people to hangout with in pretty much any MMO I've tried.
I don't know, maybe it's my bright white teeth or fresh minty breath that does it..... perhaps you might consider switching to Trident?
Then again, I'm one of those "weirdo's" who actualy likes people.... I even <gasp> occasionaly socialize with them.
So go ahead and socialize with them. Just don't force others to do the same and everyone should be happy. Also, stop with the "your ship is your avatar" because that is a flat out lie and you know it.
Next time try reading ALL the words..... "your ship as avatar in space"..... what part of this is a lie? Or are you trying to tell me that you do not play from the perspective of your ship when moving through space... because that's certainly not the impression they give from reading thier material.
Flying around space is not all you will be doing. If it was you wouldn't have access to the large customability that will be available in creating your character. Your character will be seen more often than not because you WILL see the interiors of ships and stations when you are doing missions. You just won't have free roaming capablitlities at launch. For goodness sakes watch the in-game video they did a few months ago. You will be doing a lot of stuff in space, inside ships and stations and on land.
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Not sure what version of Star Trek you watched, but Space was not the be all and end all of it. And for the trillionth time, free roaming interiors will not be in at launch, but will be in soon after. Take it or leave it.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Not sure how the missions willl be. We do know many will take place inside ships and starbases. What difference does it make if it's instanced? If you want to talk to people, then use the friggin chat command feature that is in every game. Nothing is stopping you from grouping. I see this same kind of charge leveled at World of Warcraft yet there is millions of people playing together all the time in groups and having a blast. The difference is it's not forced.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
It isn't like that at all but I see no point in arguing with you. You have your myths and no amount of facts will change that. Your loss not mine.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
Soo0000 in summation, you need mmos to force others to interact with you, instead of them allowing people to make their own choices as to whom they interact with.
Isn't that special.
When you were a kid did you get your dad to threaten people so they'd play with you too?
Flying around in space is or at least SHOULD BE a very large part of what goes on in a Star Trek game.... and in that mode your avatar is your ship.
Furthermore, the "missions" that you mention are instanced and scripted right? (Not going to even address the full party of NPC crew you can bring along to do the missions with). Put's a pretty big damper on anyone that's interested in the social interaction/RP aspects of a Star Trek MMORPG...... Not to mention the actual FEEL of most of the episodes which involved interacting with other crewmen ON BOARD the ship.
Right now the game is pretty much sounding like a Star Trek skinned version of Chuck Yeager's Air Combat with starships instead of jet fighters and a persistant environment with lots (theoriticaly) of other players in it. Sorry, but no thanks.... I'm sure that may appeal to some people... but for alot of folks.. it's just not going to cut it.
Soo0000 in summation, you need mmos to force others to interact with you, instead of them allowing people to make their own choices as to whom they interact with.
Isn't that special.
When you were a kid did you get your dad to threaten people so they'd play with you too?
Who said force... ALLOW/SUPPORT/ENABLE.... is all most people are looking for. Basicaly the only thing STO seems to be offering along those lines is a global chat command... that's not enough to put the "Multi-Player" in MMO.
Lets look at other games... for example LOTRO (which I'm playing now)...
Your character is your avatar everywhere you go... you as an individual human (elf, dwarf, hobbit) interact with other individual humans with pretty much the full range of interactions available to human beings.
Although there is some use of instances... The vast majority of the environment is SHARED among all users of that server...not just towns or shops but wilderness and adventure areas as well. You can bump into and interact with any number of individuals while roaming around... They don't have to be members of your party or guild or anything like that.... and your range of interactions with them are fairly open (You can help them take down a monster, even if it isn't tagged as "yours", you can heal them, buff them with a spell, trade items, talk, emote, chalange to a duel, play them a song, help with a quest, give directions, etc).
No one is "forced" to group in order to do basic advancement.... but the benefits of grouping are obvious, as working as part of a team makes things easier to get done. Co-Operative play...and working together as a team to overcome certain chalanges is a major portion of what makes the MMO experience fun. As a solo player, some quests/content/instances might be too hard to complete on your own...but there are plenty of other quests you can solo. You could advance from level 1 to level cap without ever grouping with anyone if you really wanted to.
Scripted instances do play a role in the game (some dungeons and epic quests are instanced)... but they are just a small part of the overall game environment.... the vast majority of the environment is a shared environment. I could go into the many additional tools to support the social aspects of the game...but this thread isn't about LOTRO it's about STO.
In STO by comparison...
The shared environment space is limited to...
- space, where my avatar is my ship (i.e. I'm interacting as a "ship" not an individual being)
- a VERY limited number of space stations, that will act as the "Towns" of Star Trek....
And that's it.
The only adventure space where I can interact with an individual being with other individual beings are scripted missions.... and those are limited to my PARTY (a maximum of 5 people).....and we are already going in there and will only remain in there for the specific purpose of completing that instance objective.... nothing spontaneous or off-the-cuff happening.... and even there ALL of those party members can easly be replaced by Bots.
There really is very little room/support or reason d' etire for social interaction in the game. Certainly not the type that you would see ROUTIENELY in the series where crewmen were interacting with each other or with other entities/individuals routienely aboard the ship or on planets, both to work together to solve problems or to simply establish ties.
So instead of....
"Scotty.... get the Shields back online!"
"Sulu.... keep up evasive manuvers to we get those shields up!"
"Spock.....figure out what kind of entity we are dealing with and why it's attacking!"
"Bones.... Whats going on down there on the Planet? You've run across a Klingon Landing Party? See if you can negotiate with them to find out if they know what's going on in this system."
....And all the interactions and teamwork the above would entail. We have....
Player presses repair shields hotbar key
Player wiggles joystick.
Player presses sensor hotbar key
Player clicks "Beam Down to Planet 239" button, followed by his 5 pet NPC's.
Done..... and MAYBE if your lucky some scrippted/canned NPC feedback.
No thanks!