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WoW vs. EQ which is for kiddies?
Xreeon
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I keep reading Wow is for kids. From the reviews I have read, it seems just the opposite.
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WOW is designed to appeal to both kids and adults. The game is flexible enough to be enjoyed on a lunch break, or for that one or two evenings a week that a responsible adult might have to spend. Or WOW can make for night after night of fun.
EQ2 seems designed for kids, those that never became an adult or wish to quit being one. I played EQ and DAOC. I never had the time to get to level 50 I only read about it from "kiddies" or EQ divorcees. (Honest, I know more then one.) From what I am reading EQ2 is apparently following the same formula for success...
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WoW is a good game but its more for first time MMORPGers. Its really simplified, too much hand holding during questing. EQ2 is much more involved and complex. WoW = quick burnout. EQ2 has staying power.
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I agree with you...
I never played EQ2 so I won't comment on the game. That said however, as a working professional with a limited time to play, WoW is the perfect MMORPG for me. This is the Only MMORPG that i have played that allows me to sign on for an hour and feel that I actually accomplished something meaningful. With WoW, I don't feel that I have to give up my real life for a virtual one....
I'm not a first time MMORPGer, and I love wow. I've played Muds, EQ1 (2years), DAOC (2 years), Lineage (probably like 12 days), Horizons (few months), Saga of Ryzom Beta (haha), and I've been in WoW beta since September. I am not burned out yet I still love to play it.
As a MMORPG veteran, i'm tired of the endless grinding, vague quests and 6 hour sitting requirments.
To each his own I guess.
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In EQ2 there is nothing to do except kill computer-generated monsters and craft. Which part of this formula suggests that the game will have any longevity?
The fact that WoW is very easily accessible (with the most intuitive and expertly designed interface I've ever used in an MMO) doesn't make it "dumbed down" or "for kids". Why do things the complicated way when it's not necessary and gets in the way of the gameplay?
Could you elucidate on what you mean by "hand holding during questing"? Are you referring to the fact that the NPCs are clearly and conveniently flagged when they have a quest for you? What's bad about that? Do you consider it more fun randomly double-clicking (WHY double-clicking btw??) on NPCs to see which one has a quest for you?
WoW is not "more for first time MMORPGers" at all. I've read plenty of posts on this and other forums by people who've been playing MMOs for as long as anyone who describe WoW as the one that finally gets it right.
Blizzard are doing what should have been done a decade ago. They're bringing the MMORPG genre to the masses. They've finally made a game that's accessible to everyone, young and old, and as if that wasn't enough of a feat in itself the game is incredibly fun and immersive and this is before they've even incorporated the massive PvP battlegrounds, hero classes, siege wars and monthly content additions.
EQ2 is neither involved nor complex. I know, I've played it, and it's just not. It's an antiquated, boring grindfest, and if some people want to waste their time and effort on a levelling treadmill with no goal, good luck to them, but don't be one of the brainwashed drones who steers them away from a more fun game just because you don't like it.
To be honest I wanted to hate WoW as I have never been a fan of Blizzard and the screenshots made me think that Donald Duck would be somewhere around the next corner. After playing the beta however all that changed.
WoW is by far the best mmorg I have ever played and I have played most of them. I don't agree that WoW is more for the 1st time mmorg player as another poster stated but it will appeal to them and they will love it.
As for the comparison with EQ2?
Well that is like comparing a dog and a cat, they are two different animals with entirely different play styles and will appeal to different people. If you like your games to be hard work then choose EQ2 and if not then choose WoW.
There are a few things that you can compare however so here goes:
Graphics:
EQ2 has some of the best 'real world' graphics that you are likely to come across. Each area is beautifully rendered and if it were possible to play the game in VR then you would almost believe that the place was real.
WoW does not look real but that does not mean that the graphics are sub-standard, in fact they are also very well done and beautifully rendered. What Blizzard have done is to stick to their own style and the style of warcraft. The colours are bright and vibrant, buildings have that fantasy feel etc.
Gameplay:
Not much to comment on here. As I said earlier different playstyles for different people.
Content:
Up to lvl 20 or so EQ2 has loads of content but that taperes off some once you go beyond that level. The developers do promise a mass of content to be added via updates etc. but given that the guy in charge is the same guy that was removed from SWG after upsetting the entire player base I wouldn't count on it coming too quickly.
WoW again is full of content, the difference being that the content is already in place to see your character all the way up to his level cap with even more to be added on a monthly basis. This aspect of the game is where WoW scores points over EQ2.
Polish:
EQ2 isn't a finished product and in that respect is in line with just about every game SoE have ever released. There are glaring bugs in the code that are still there after release and that will be fixed some time. If you want to play EQ2 in a finished or close to finished state then wait a year before buying it. SoE have a reputation of releasing what can only be described as betas with a paying customer will find the bugs attitude and EQ2 is no exception.
WoW in contrast is the most polished and complete mmorg that I have ever played at this stage in it's development. All the quests work, all the game mechanics work and what bugs do remain are minor. There are some balance issues when it comes to PvP, the warrior being a case in point (he should be called a wuss with a weapon) but apart from this no game breaking faults. So as far as polish goes, another point for WoW.
Availibility:
EQ2 is availible to everyone across the globe while WoW have gone for forced localisation so if you are part of a large multi-national guild then buy EQ2. This almost deserves two points for SoE but I'm only awarding one for a clear victor in each category. One point for EQ2
Really that is all there is to compare between the two games so in this small section WoW comes out the winner by two points to one so which one is for kids?
EQ2 is aimed squarely at large guilds and power-levellers so in this respect gets my vote as kiddy mmorg supreme. Sorry EQ2 fans but that is just the way it is.
I am a WoW fanboi, but I wouldnt say i have been brainwashed to the point that i cant see any faults or flaws in the game, and lets be honest one man's "flaw" is another man's "outstanding feature" in many cases.
Leveling is a case in point. Before i came to WoW i played L2 for a couple months, now lvling in that game requires a huge amount of devotion and a great deal of patience. One big reason for the steep lvling curve in L2 is its korean/asian background. In "general" and from many of the posts ive read, or use to read on the official L2 boards, asian players arent nearly as hungry for the top lvl as lets say your typical U.S/Euro power player. Thats a distinction in gaming culture. U.S/Euros crave the highest lvl as the pinnacle of achievement in there chosen game, where asian players crave something else, grouping, griefing, pking - whatever. We all know that Korean gamers in particular are the hardest of hardest so they say. They LOVE the grind.
The above is a generalization but i think its accurate from my experience. Neither is right or wrong, its just differant way of playing the same game. Differant strokes for differant folks. Tolerance and a broader understanding of how differant people play games is greatly needed i think. That differance in cultures between countries can also be seen in WoW and EQ players. Generally speaking you might say WoW as easier to lvl, questing is more obvious, in fact everything is more simplified. EQ is harder to lvl, questing involves a little bit more thought, everything isnt so obvious. WoW's style probably appeals to those new to genre, those with less time - certainly i would say its more casual in focus, but that doesnt mean with all the proposed content it wont be a game for the hardcore.
I can see how EQ players fault WoW for easy lvling, and id have to say it does concern me a little just how easy it easy. You can hit lvl 20, thats 1/3 of the way to max lvl people, with barely any effort at all. I can easily foresee a serious problem a few months down the track if Blizzard dont increase the lvl cap. 60 isnt enough in the current build of the game IMO.
I can also see how EQ players fault WoW for its graphics. There certainly differant. Personally i like them, but i could rattle of at least 3 or 4 other games that i think have better graphics. EQ2 is one of them. However just because the graphics are "cartoonie" doesnt mean it appeals to those aged under 14. How popular is the Simpsons, Anime, animation in general?? Its massive with so called "adults" and its not as if the graphics bear any resemblance too tweety bird. Does Ogrimmer look like disney too you? "Blood and honour" anyone?
Like i said, im a WoW fanboi, because overall i believe its an outstanding game, that is solid, highly playable, very flexible and has the potential, especially with Blizzard behind it, to be the best MMO ever made...
BUT...nothing is perfect and as a result you can pick faults in just about anything.
What really annoys me are people who like to trade insults and troll forums and point out spelling and grammatical errors instead of developing arguements based on there own experience. It screams "elitist idiot" to me, and it also tells me that those that do it arent intelligent at all, they just dont have anything else to contribute or an original thought of their own.
I am glad EQ2 has released at same time as WoW
It means less annoying power levelers with no lives being annoying and bragging that they are 1337.
Power Gamer go to EQ2, Casual Friendly Gamers go to WoW.
Simple!
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You do realise that even with WoW's more "casual" friendly focus, that some people will still play for 10 hours a day, day in, day out, and power level just like they do in every other game. The only differance is they'll stop at 60 instead of 220 in AO for example. The result is the same.
There will be plenty of power levelers in WoW, plenty of l33t people braggin on how they made lvl 60 in a week.
yea yea yea....i wanted to hate WoW too, mainly cuz it was like a spinoff of warcraft stuff; i was thinkin bout those games based on movies=P
anyway, WoW is fun and i found EQ2 not to be; i tried eq2 3 times during the beta and i just didnt like it; i'm not an ex-EQ'er so there was no mystique or love for the game or its history- btw i think alot of the people who like eq2 played/play eq1 and theres alot of those people out there..
Blizzard know what they're doing. They've stated on numerous occasions that the game will have a fast levelling curve because the end game won't just be some tacked on piece of garbage to make you feel like they attempted to give you your moneys-worth.... The end-game will be the main game.
This is people's main criticism of WoW, but I see it as a great innovation. I don't want to slog for months on end to get to the end game if it's gonna be as good as I expect it to be.
what a dumb question-.- it are just 2 games made for having some fun, and yes its both for kids and for adults just what ur own opinion is, i didnt play EQ2 but i dont think WoW is for kids... actually i havent seen 1 person younger then 16 like me in the whole game so...
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I think "both" games are fun to play
Already bought EQ2...will be buying WOW next week!
And I know quite a few players over 16...being one myself heh
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WoW seems more focused on the general masses. Like people have been saying it has options for busy gamers and you can feel perfectly fine playing for a 10 hour stretch. The whole reason I think people believe it is aimed towards kids in the more cartoonish atmosphere. While I haven't played EQ2 I have played EQ and that seems more built for older more role play oriented people. There are lots of items that encourage role play, like wedding cakes, ceremonial swords (they can't be used in battle) and fireworks. While EQ and probably EQ2 will be more fun to the grinders each game will do well as each have their own markets.
Well, I think EQII has a lot of people wanting for the reason EQI did VERY well. People that are going to be playing it think to themselves, "Well the first one was so godd, the sequel must be OUTSTANDING!", and do not realize that this may not be the case. Blizzard has had a great, and I mean GREAT, history of games but this being there first MMORPG (no, Diablo was not an MMORPG) people are making it seem like a worse game than what it is. Someone mentioned that the quests seemed like there was a lot of hand holding, have you ever tried to do the Deadmines? That was out of control. At level 16, I barely made it half way with a team of 4 people at the same level as me. I understand people are entitled to their opinions so here's mine:
World of Warcraft is what you make of it. Everquest II is what you make of it. I have not played Everquest I or II so I cannot speak on that behalf. If World of Warcraft didn't exist, would I be playing Everquest II? Well, maybe not for the reason that I would probably still be involved with Lineage ][. I have played Diablo II in the past (2-3 years actually) and that what I'm going to judge WoW by. That's my history in gaming. I mean, I bough Half-Life the day it came out and moved to TFC then to CounterStrike. Unreal Tournament never appealded to me. Maybe if I bought it instead of HL, my opinion would be different. This is what I use to judge a company; their history. My Dad owned a Ford F250 for a long time. It would break alot, was uncomfortable, and didn't handle like I wanted it to. Will I ever buy a Ford? I think not. However, if the truck was comforatble, dependable, and had great handling would my opinion change? Of course. Opinions are mostly (yes not all) made on the history of gaming. Other times it's all in the advertising. Everquest II has their history from their previous game and since the first one did so well, people think the sequel will be better.
That's my opinion. Now for the WoW vs. EQ, which is for the kiddies question. Neither. Both will have harsh laguage abuse, yes there are filters but we all there are go arounds. The game is addicting and will more likely hurt their grades in school and friends will be ignored for the reason that the game will have replaced some aspects of their society. I know I sound like a parent, but I've been studying to become a teacher for some time, and I understand the effects these issues can have on children. There are so many other things out there besides a computer game, and one as addicting as a MMORPG, that should be looked at. I wish I had never been involved with the computer. I think to myself what it would be like without them. Take cell phones for example; I don't have one. Because if I did, I'd be using so many minutes I'd be broke. Some people cannot live without them and I don't want to be like one of those people. So all in all, I wouldn't reccomend Lineage ][, Diablo II, World of Warcraft, Everquest I or II, Planetside, Ultima Online, Dark and Light, Guild Wars, Shadowbane, Dark Age of Camelot, or Priston Tale for any child. But, that's just my opinion...
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Depends on the kid and how they were going to be playing. The chicld's maturity level and preferences would come into play here as well.
They are not Mario Cart.
If my kid wanted to play one of these games, I'd play it with him. That way he'd have someone to play with and level with and also I could see what is going on and monitor it while having fun with my kid.
Actually eq2 looks pretty boring....FARMING/GRINDING all the way...
one of my pal's shall go over to WoW from Anarchy Online. He has played it since it came out, and now he goes from it. I think WoW appeals to both newbie MMORPGrs and pro MMORPGrs. I have never played EQ2 so I can't say anything about it
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