Just end welfare. One more example of how socialism eventually destroys other rights and liberties -- in this case, privacy.
Now I don;t think that the government should be drug testing all citizens against their will .. no far from that. But think about jobs that many lives are at risk.. how do you feel about those postitons? Pilots, nurses, doctors, heavy machine operators, airplane mechanics.. all of these things could be devestating left unchecked.
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off?
Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off? Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off? Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
No it is not enough. Contrary to Enigma's snide and hateful estimate of 80%, there are far more responsible welfare recipients out there than there are those who abuse it. Wait... that arguement sounds familiar.....oh yeah! Sounds a lot like the argument the NRA uses. You can't have it both ways bud.
The NRA actually lobbies and in doing so gives money to the government.
(10$ million to campaign against Obama)
Welfare just puts the taxpayer and government in the red.
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off? Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
What they are doing wrong is claiming they do not have enough money to buy food, but yet they have enough money to buy drugs. There is a differnce here between someone who chooses to use drugs and supports themselves by any means necessary without infringing upon anyone else than someone who expects everyone else to take care of them. When you can no longer care for yourself, you now become a dependant. Just as if you live under your parents roof, you have to follow their rules. If you want to move out .. your on your own.
The same applies here. If they want the tax payers to take care of them, they have to follow the tax payers rules and that means get off drugs, get off alcohol and do something with your life. I think they should also require community service so they actually get something in return for their money if they are not working. They are not being punished by any means, no they are making a choice to get assistance. That is a choice mind you, I am one of 10 children from the same 2 parents, my father never asked for assistance even when he was paralyzed for 2 years .. no we made it on our own. If we could survive I know these people can, it is a matter of priorities and laziness.
It isn;t their money, it is the tax payers money there is a difference here. Once they are spending their money and not accepting any money from their neighbors I could care less what they do with their money as long as it does not infringe upon anyone elses rights.
Hypothetical Scenario #3 1. A man is injured during a government false flag event.
2. Due to the crisis he is unable to get medical attention and turns to looting an abandoned drug store.
3. A week later all the caned food has been consumed and the masses flock to the government for nourishment.
2. This man is unable to get food assistance because his pee is funny.
3. He and others band together forming a commune to survive in this new world.
4. Helicopters are deployed to raid this "anti government camp" on the pretense that many known drug users are located there.
I loveya But you just went 1,2,3,2,3,4.. lol
also if we reach that point Im not gana care about people with funny pee. thay made their choice now live with it.
Heres one for you.
1. Jacka$$ takes a hit of something and fails pee test.
2. He cant get moniez or food because he is a Idiot.
3. I Dont care because he did this to himself.
4. He gets in a car and kills someone due to a night of Benge drinking and bad things in needels.
5. I hate him because every one keep telling me to love him even tho he destroyed his own life through his own actions.
Or
1. Jacka$$ takes a hit of something.
2. There is no wellfare and He isent costing anyone anything.
3. He is Dieing on the street with his car locked next to him Beeing responsable enough to not get into the darn thing.
4. I would support the legalization of Drugs because people have learned to be responsible.
call it hartless and cruel But if we cant handle Booze what makes you think we can handle everything else? (Tho most of this isent 100% directed at you and your post. it just sparked the thought)
also....... Zombies, Choppers, Ninjas, Pirates, and Catgirls... did i miss anything?
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
No it is not enough. Contrary to Enigma's snide and hateful estimate of 80%, there are far more responsible welfare recipients out there than there are those who abuse it. Wait... that arguement sounds familiar.....oh yeah! Sounds a lot like the argument the NRA uses. You can't have it both ways bud.
The NRA actually lobbies and in doing so gives money to the government.
(10$ million to campaign against Obama)
Welfare just puts the taxpayer and government in the red.
These two programs were only started in the 20th century. People never needed them before and don't need them now.
A MMO player should know things work better when you learn and adapt on your own.
Edit: made the programs links
This is the funniest part of the whole thing. But if you even think about looking at them they will kill you in a heart beat.
Edit.. Most MMO players these days Dont learn and adapt. they let one raid group post the walkthrough and fallow it to a T.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off? Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
What they are doing wrong is claiming they do not have enough money to buy food, but yet they have enough money to buy drugs. There is a differnce here between someone who chooses to use drugs and supports themselves by any means necessary without infringing upon anyone else than someone who expects everyone else to take care of them. When you can no longer care for yourself, you now become a dependant. Just as if you live under your parents roof, you have to follow their rules. If you want to move out .. your on your own.
The same applies here. If they want the tax payers to take care of them, they have to follow the tax payers rules and that means get off drugs, get off alcohol and do something with your life. I think they should also require community service so they actually get something in return for their money if they are not working. They are not being punished by any means, no they are making a choice to get assistance. That is a choice mind you, I am one of 10 children from the same 2 parents, my father never asked for assistance even when he was paralyzed for 2 years .. no we made it on our own. If we could survive I know these people can, it is a matter of priorities and laziness.
It isn;t their money, it is the tax payers money there is a difference here. Once they are spending their money and not accepting any money from their neighbors I could care less what they do with their money as long as it does not infringe upon anyone elses rights.
Either you just don't understand what I'm saying or you're ignoring it. Not all the people on welfare are unemployed. These are the people that do menial jobs that we need them to do in order to keep the country going. They don't make enough money from their jobs and thus need assistance to get by. They aren't all on drugs, but I'm sure they all don't just spend every penny they make and the money they get in assistance on the basics. Even if drugs were made legal. Are we supposed to oversee what they spend their money on and the money they get for assistance?
I agree it's selfish for those people to be wasting money since they don't make enough to make ends meet to begin with. But if drugs were indeed legal and they had to submit to drug tests and pass them in order to continue getting payments. Why would they be tested at all if the said drugs were legal? See what I'm getting at here? Who dictates as to who gets to do what with the money they make and the money they recieve in assistance?
Is it not their own choice what to spend the money on? Perhaps we should discontinue giving assistance to those welfare people that are smokers and are overweight as well? That isn't healthy either. Although I'm fairly certain they can't spend food stamps on cigarettes. So then they'd be spending the money that they'd actually worked for on them. But wait! They should be spending that money on the basics instead of relying on the taxpayer so they can live this luxorious life they're living. Nevermind the fact that all the money they do get in assistance eventually goes right back into the economic system.
And as far as firing someone who smoked some pot goes, even if they are a valued employee. That's pretty damned messed up. But then if say they're employed in a job that required them to be responsible for others safety, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. Even if the drugs were legalized they should still have to be held to high standards. Anything less would be negligent.
That's what I believe anyway. But then what do I know? I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar by far.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Just end welfare. One more example of how socialism eventually destroys other rights and liberties -- in this case, privacy.
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Sounds good to me. I think people have to really, REALLY understand that if they don't take care of themselves, they're in for some xtreme discomfort. Sorry to say, but suffering is the only way some people learn and apparently, welfare isn't suffering enough for many. They're content and satisfied living with welfare and that attitude has to change. Removing drugs from the equation only drives the point home that you can't get what you want. You want free stuff, clean yourself up. Makes total sense. There should NEVER be handouts esspecially for those on drugs.
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off? Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
What they are doing wrong is claiming they do not have enough money to buy food, but yet they have enough money to buy drugs. There is a differnce here between someone who chooses to use drugs and supports themselves by any means necessary without infringing upon anyone else than someone who expects everyone else to take care of them. When you can no longer care for yourself, you now become a dependant. Just as if you live under your parents roof, you have to follow their rules. If you want to move out .. your on your own.
The same applies here. If they want the tax payers to take care of them, they have to follow the tax payers rules and that means get off drugs, get off alcohol and do something with your life. I think they should also require community service so they actually get something in return for their money if they are not working. They are not being punished by any means, no they are making a choice to get assistance. That is a choice mind you, I am one of 10 children from the same 2 parents, my father never asked for assistance even when he was paralyzed for 2 years .. no we made it on our own. If we could survive I know these people can, it is a matter of priorities and laziness.
It isn;t their money, it is the tax payers money there is a difference here. Once they are spending their money and not accepting any money from their neighbors I could care less what they do with their money as long as it does not infringe upon anyone elses rights.
Either you just don't understand what I'm saying or you're ignoring it. Not all the people on welfare are unemployed. These are the people that do menial jobs that we need them to do in order to keep the country going. They don't make enough money from their jobs and thus need assistance to get by. They aren't all on drugs, but I'm sure they all don't just spend every penny they make and the money they get in assistance on the basics. Even if drugs were made legal. Are we supposed to oversee what they spend their money on and the money they get for assistance?
I agree it's selfish for those people to be wasting money since they don't make enough to make ends meet to begin with. But if drugs were indeed legal and they had to submit to drug tests and pass them in order to continue getting payments. Why would they be tested at all if the said drugs were legal? See what I'm getting at here? Who dictates as to who gets to do what with the money they make and the money they recieve in assistance?
Is it not their own choice what to spend the money on? Perhaps we should discontinue giving assistance to those welfare people that are smokers and are overweight as well? That isn't healthy either. Although I'm fairly certain they can't spend food stamps on cigarettes. So then they'd be spending the money that they'd actually worked for on them. But wait! They should be spending that money on the basics instead of relying on the taxpayer so they can live this luxorious life they're living. Nevermind the fact that all the money they do get in assistance eventually goes right back into the economic system.
And as far as firing someone who smoked some pot goes, even if they are a valued employee. That's pretty damned messed up. But then if say they're employed in a job that required them to be responsible for others safety, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. Even if the drugs were legalized they should still have to be held to high standards. Anything less would be negligent.
That's what I believe anyway. But then what do I know? I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar by far.
It stops being their choice as long as they are taking their neighbors money. They stop taking their neighbors money it is their choice again. pretty easy. basically if they wat to eb a dependant they have to live by the tax payer rules. If they can afford drugs they can afford food.. pretty easy to understand. It is not a way of life.. they can choose to live that way or not by choosing to turn down government funds. They can do that .. No one is forcing them to take government money .. lol they don't like the rules, they are on their own.
This is the message. If you are rich and powerful, laws don't apply to you. Did cocaine, smoked pot? Become President like Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, or Barack Obama. Poor, need some help? Take a piss test and STFU and live in a card board box if you do drugs.
Are you very rich? Fly to Amsterdam and do drugs on the weekend, be back home for Monday board meetings. Very poor? Do drugs on a street corner, go to jail and be branded a felon, and your right to vote is taken away.
Yay! America! The message is clear. If you want to do drugs, get rich.
I just want to interject into this conversation a hypothetical scenario. 1. Woman has 5 kids to feed but loses job, so she applies for welfare. 2. Woman is rejected becase she had a puff on a joint with her friend a week prior. 3. Woman is not able to feed children so Protective Services comes and takes them away. 4. Woman starves to death.
OK I guess the mission was accomplished here right? because now the government has the 5 kids and the women is dead. If that's the aim, I think this idea would manifest that end.
If we're talking about my tax money, then sure. Let her die. Let them ALL DIE!
Oh, you were expecting someone who wasn't chaotic evil?
i agree with this idea they have, and think it should have been done long ago. Many people abuse these systems and nobody does anything about it.
Should i feel sorry for them, nope, i really don't care what case is made. If they are gonna get help like this there needs to be checks to make sure they aren't abusing/wasting the money.
I also think there needs to be this kinda checks for those who recieve child support, which is heavily abused also.
"The great thing about human language is that it prevents us from sticking to the matter at hand." - Lewis Thomas
Yes make them take drug tests. It'll be funny when some family starves because mommy ate a poppy seed muffin and got a false positive on the test.
And get rid of welfare. We need to start seeing more people starve to death and/or murder for food.
Yes Just Ignore the thousands of years that the system Diden't Exsist. We totaly cant live W/O it.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
Just end welfare. One more example of how socialism eventually destroys other rights and liberties -- in this case, privacy.
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Dear God what is Wrong with you people? If there is NO work in your area Move.
My Uncle Sold every Item he had Cept clothes, Shoes, and his paid off car, Moved to Dallas, rented a 1 bedroom apartment for his Wife and 2 kids Worked at the McDonalds down the streat, Got her a job there then 3 months later went to work For Tyco. He is worth 1.2 Million and None of it was easy or handed to him. I cant rember how mutch my Aunt makes But atm its more than him.
But I guess thats To conservative of a Idea for most people. Its just easier to hold your hand out and complane.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
Yes make them take drug tests. It'll be funny when some family starves because mommy ate a poppy seed muffin and got a false positive on the test.
And get rid of welfare. We need to start seeing more people starve to death and/or murder for food.
but we should keep giving money to people who buy drugs with the taxpayers money ...... If the government gives you free money, the least you could do is pee in a cup and stay off drugs. If people are irresponsible enough to spend the little amount of money they have on drugs instead of feeding themselves and family, then they dont deserve "free" money. Who deserves welfare money, the family with the drug addicted parents or the family who stay off drugs and spend all their welfare money on trying to stay off the streets?
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Just end welfare. One more example of how socialism eventually destroys other rights and liberties -- in this case, privacy.
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Dear God what is Wrong with you people? If there is NO work in your area Move.
My Uncle Sold every Item he had Cept clothes, Shoes, and his paid off car, Moved to Dallas, rented a 1 bedroom apartment for his Wife and 2 kids Worked at the McDonalds down the streat, Got her a job there then 3 months later went to work For Tyco. He is worth 1.2 Million and None of it was easy or handed to him. I cant rember how mutch my Aunt makes But atm its more than him.
But I guess thats To conservative of a Idea for most people. Its just easier to hold your hand out and complane.
soo... much... cliche...
I have an uncle on the street. Welfare has kept him from theft, or much more serious issues.
Some of these people have severe mental issues. Some of them are going through a really rough streak. Say what you want about them being a drain on your "tax dollar" but I have a family member who I'm fairly sure would be dead if it wasn't for social programs.
its not a matter of Joe nobody drinking up every weekend with his buddies while no having a job and you getting a nicer car.
Tax dollars are helping people in desperate situations. People who need this help and it really makes a difference. Yes there are people who abuse it, but I can say from experience that I would gladly accept that abuse for the amount of people is saves.
Study after study has shown that working 1 job, having enough money to put a roof on your head, food in your stomach and cloths on your back is as happy as money will get you. Who am I to argue with science?
Id rather remain just as happy, and saved the lives of other people than remain just as happy and have them resort to violence or something more desperate.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I care nothing of the people who need welfare. I'd prefer to end it all, and especially end the free $2600 per month that ILLEGAL ALIENS get. This has nothing to do with xenophobia. I do not want to pay for you or your family to survive. I don't want to pay for any of your shit at all.
I don't give a damn if you all died because you couldn't support yourself. Move to a different area and find a job if you want to survive. Oh, if you want to talk about theft? I dare you to try to break into my house and try that shit. Go on, man. Florida has a law that would let me kill you without consequence if you did.
Which sounds better:
1. Paying for someone to live off of welfare and do whatever they want. Use drugs, not worry about having to work because they don't have to, etc. Blah blah.
2. Paying to keep these people in jail because they couldn't afford a living of their own and forced themselves to steal from other people until they were eventually caught.
Stealing from other people is easier then picking yourself up from the bootstraps, sucking in whatever pride you have left and start doing whatever LEGAL things you can do to provide for yourself. Weak people take the easy way out. Its not that people can't pull themselves back together. Tthey choose not to. There are too many stories of people doing it with hard WORK and EFFORT, but its easier to rob someone or live off of everyone else doing nothing. People better themselves everyday so don't say it can't be done.
Just end welfare. One more example of how socialism eventually destroys other rights and liberties -- in this case, privacy.
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Dear God what is Wrong with you people? If there is NO work in your area Move.
My Uncle Sold every Item he had Cept clothes, Shoes, and his paid off car, Moved to Dallas, rented a 1 bedroom apartment for his Wife and 2 kids Worked at the McDonalds down the streat, Got her a job there then 3 months later went to work For Tyco. He is worth 1.2 Million and None of it was easy or handed to him. I cant rember how mutch my Aunt makes But atm its more than him.
But I guess thats To conservative of a Idea for most people. Its just easier to hold your hand out and complane.
soo... much... cliche...
I have an uncle on the street. Welfare has kept him from theft, or much more serious issues.
Some of these people have severe mental issues. Some of them are going through a really rough streak. Say what you want about them being a drain on your "tax dollar" but I have a family member who I'm fairly sure would be dead if it wasn't for social programs.
its not a matter of Joe nobody drinking up every weekend with his buddies while no having a job and you getting a nicer car.
Tax dollars are helping people in desperate situations. People who need this help and it really makes a difference. Yes there are people who abuse it, but I can say from experience that I would gladly accept that abuse for the amount of people is saves.
Study after study has shown that working 1 job, having enough money to put a roof on your head, food in your stomach and cloths on your back is as happy as money will get you. Who am I to argue with science?
Id rather remain just as happy, and saved the lives of other people than remain just as happy and have them resort to violence or something more desperate.
Lol theres Nothing cliche about that. it really did happen.
And I would agree on the people with Mental and Physical Issues. I have no Problem there. Its the 100% able boddy people useing the system inplace of Dooing the right thing that bothers me.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. Samuel Adams
I care nothing of the people who need welfare. I'd prefer to end it all, and especially end the free $2600 per month that ILLEGAL ALIENS get. This has nothing to do with xenophobia. I do not want to pay for you or your family to survive. I don't want to pay for any of your shit at all.
I don't give a damn if you all died because you couldn't support yourself. Move to a different area and find a job if you want to survive. Oh, if you want to talk about theft? I dare you to try to break into my house and try that shit. Go on, man. Florida has a law that would let me kill you without consequence if you did.
Which sounds better: 1. Paying for someone to live off of welfare and do whatever they want. Use drugs, not worry about having to work because they don't have to, etc. Blah blah. 2. Paying to keep these people in jail because they couldn't afford a living of their own and forced themselves to steal from other people until they were eventually caught.
Lol theres Nothing cliche about that. it really did happen.
And I would agree on the people with Mental and Physical Issues. I have no Problem there. Its the 100% able boddy people useing the system inplace of Dooing the right thing that bothers me.
It can be cliche and real :P thats just so perfect you might as well put it in a book and read it in 10th grade :P
As for the mental issues, I accept the lazy bums as an added cost of helping people.
If there is a good way to crack down on it, I am for it, but I firmly believe that as it stands it is a perfectly acceptable cost. Im not even going to go at that "kill them all" crap because nobody with opinions like that is taken seriously and I see no reason why I should make an exception lol.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
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Now I don;t think that the government should be drug testing all citizens against their will .. no far from that. But think about jobs that many lives are at risk.. how do you feel about those postitons? Pilots, nurses, doctors, heavy machine operators, airplane mechanics.. all of these things could be devestating left unchecked.
Absolutely a fair point. But so what if a airplane mechanic has a joint on his day off?
Heres what I don't understand; If a guy is doing his job well everything is fine. But suddenly his piss test says he smokes pot so now he's fired. What kind of sense does that make? If someones drug abuse is creating a problem at work then engage the problem. But this "Oh theres no problems with your performance, but your pee had non traditional substances in it so you're fired" stuff is just a bridge too far for me.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
The NRA actually lobbies and in doing so gives money to the government.
(10$ million to campaign against Obama)
Welfare just puts the taxpayer and government in the red.
Nice try.
Social Security Act of 1935
Social Security History Medicare Is Signed Into Law
These two programs were only started in the 20th century. People never needed them before and don't need them now.
A MMO player should know things work better when you learn and adapt on your own.
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I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
What they are doing wrong is claiming they do not have enough money to buy food, but yet they have enough money to buy drugs. There is a differnce here between someone who chooses to use drugs and supports themselves by any means necessary without infringing upon anyone else than someone who expects everyone else to take care of them. When you can no longer care for yourself, you now become a dependant. Just as if you live under your parents roof, you have to follow their rules. If you want to move out .. your on your own.
The same applies here. If they want the tax payers to take care of them, they have to follow the tax payers rules and that means get off drugs, get off alcohol and do something with your life. I think they should also require community service so they actually get something in return for their money if they are not working. They are not being punished by any means, no they are making a choice to get assistance. That is a choice mind you, I am one of 10 children from the same 2 parents, my father never asked for assistance even when he was paralyzed for 2 years .. no we made it on our own. If we could survive I know these people can, it is a matter of priorities and laziness.
It isn;t their money, it is the tax payers money there is a difference here. Once they are spending their money and not accepting any money from their neighbors I could care less what they do with their money as long as it does not infringe upon anyone elses rights.
I loveya But you just went 1,2,3,2,3,4.. lol
also if we reach that point Im not gana care about people with funny pee. thay made their choice now live with it.
Heres one for you.
1. Jacka$$ takes a hit of something and fails pee test.
2. He cant get moniez or food because he is a Idiot.
3. I Dont care because he did this to himself.
4. He gets in a car and kills someone due to a night of Benge drinking and bad things in needels.
5. I hate him because every one keep telling me to love him even tho he destroyed his own life through his own actions.
Or
1. Jacka$$ takes a hit of something.
2. There is no wellfare and He isent costing anyone anything.
3. He is Dieing on the street with his car locked next to him Beeing responsable enough to not get into the darn thing.
4. I would support the legalization of Drugs because people have learned to be responsible.
call it hartless and cruel But if we cant handle Booze what makes you think we can handle everything else? (Tho most of this isent 100% directed at you and your post. it just sparked the thought)
also....... Zombies, Choppers, Ninjas, Pirates, and Catgirls... did i miss anything?
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
The NRA actually lobbies and in doing so gives money to the government.
(10$ million to campaign against Obama)
Welfare just puts the taxpayer and government in the red.
Nice try.
Social Security Act of 1935
Social Security History Medicare Is Signed Into Law
These two programs were only started in the 20th century. People never needed them before and don't need them now.
A MMO player should know things work better when you learn and adapt on your own.
Edit: made the programs links
This is the funniest part of the whole thing. But if you even think about looking at them they will kill you in a heart beat.
Edit.. Most MMO players these days Dont learn and adapt. they let one raid group post the walkthrough and fallow it to a T.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
What they are doing wrong is claiming they do not have enough money to buy food, but yet they have enough money to buy drugs. There is a differnce here between someone who chooses to use drugs and supports themselves by any means necessary without infringing upon anyone else than someone who expects everyone else to take care of them. When you can no longer care for yourself, you now become a dependant. Just as if you live under your parents roof, you have to follow their rules. If you want to move out .. your on your own.
The same applies here. If they want the tax payers to take care of them, they have to follow the tax payers rules and that means get off drugs, get off alcohol and do something with your life. I think they should also require community service so they actually get something in return for their money if they are not working. They are not being punished by any means, no they are making a choice to get assistance. That is a choice mind you, I am one of 10 children from the same 2 parents, my father never asked for assistance even when he was paralyzed for 2 years .. no we made it on our own. If we could survive I know these people can, it is a matter of priorities and laziness.
It isn;t their money, it is the tax payers money there is a difference here. Once they are spending their money and not accepting any money from their neighbors I could care less what they do with their money as long as it does not infringe upon anyone elses rights.
Either you just don't understand what I'm saying or you're ignoring it. Not all the people on welfare are unemployed. These are the people that do menial jobs that we need them to do in order to keep the country going. They don't make enough money from their jobs and thus need assistance to get by. They aren't all on drugs, but I'm sure they all don't just spend every penny they make and the money they get in assistance on the basics. Even if drugs were made legal. Are we supposed to oversee what they spend their money on and the money they get for assistance?
I agree it's selfish for those people to be wasting money since they don't make enough to make ends meet to begin with. But if drugs were indeed legal and they had to submit to drug tests and pass them in order to continue getting payments. Why would they be tested at all if the said drugs were legal? See what I'm getting at here? Who dictates as to who gets to do what with the money they make and the money they recieve in assistance?
Is it not their own choice what to spend the money on? Perhaps we should discontinue giving assistance to those welfare people that are smokers and are overweight as well? That isn't healthy either. Although I'm fairly certain they can't spend food stamps on cigarettes. So then they'd be spending the money that they'd actually worked for on them. But wait! They should be spending that money on the basics instead of relying on the taxpayer so they can live this luxorious life they're living. Nevermind the fact that all the money they do get in assistance eventually goes right back into the economic system.
And as far as firing someone who smoked some pot goes, even if they are a valued employee. That's pretty damned messed up. But then if say they're employed in a job that required them to be responsible for others safety, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. Even if the drugs were legalized they should still have to be held to high standards. Anything less would be negligent.
That's what I believe anyway. But then what do I know? I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar by far.
This website is a safe haven for trolls and haters. I'm done with this pathetic site.
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Sounds good to me. I think people have to really, REALLY understand that if they don't take care of themselves, they're in for some xtreme discomfort. Sorry to say, but suffering is the only way some people learn and apparently, welfare isn't suffering enough for many. They're content and satisfied living with welfare and that attitude has to change. Removing drugs from the equation only drives the point home that you can't get what you want. You want free stuff, clean yourself up. Makes total sense. There should NEVER be handouts esspecially for those on drugs.
I also agree with legalization, and if he was doing a good job, his boss does has the option to place them on probation rather than fire them. His job performance should be considered as well, but that should be left up to the Discretion of the employer not a law.
So I guess what you're saying is you support legalization of drugs, yet want people to be drug tested? And if they are found to have used drugs recently, they should be fired and not have any means to shelter, heat, food, etc.? Unless of course they can pass a drug test in 30 days. Even though the drugs are legal? I'm really confused here.
Not at all .. read the rest of the thread lol...
If they can afford drugs why would they need welfare? they have 30 days to get themselves clean .. if they blow all their money on drugs why should the taxpayers trust them with their money?
Yeah I can read of course. But what exactly are these people doing wrong if the drugs they're going to be tested for are made legal? I understand what you're saying and all that. What I'm saying is if the drugs are legal and you're all for that. Then what are they being punished for? Yes, they shouldn't be spending what little money they get on drugs, but if they were legal who's to say what they can and can't spend their money on? Are you going to check to see if they have tv service and other things which aren't vital to ones survival? OMG, that biatch on welfare has HBO! She shouldn't be getting our money and spend it on stuff she doesn't need! Funny as it sounds I'm sure that there are a lot of welare recipients that spend the little money they do earn. (They don't all have to be unemployed to get it.) They do spend money on stuff that doesn't matter. I'm just saying, although it is pretty damned stupid of the people and selfish.
What they are doing wrong is claiming they do not have enough money to buy food, but yet they have enough money to buy drugs. There is a differnce here between someone who chooses to use drugs and supports themselves by any means necessary without infringing upon anyone else than someone who expects everyone else to take care of them. When you can no longer care for yourself, you now become a dependant. Just as if you live under your parents roof, you have to follow their rules. If you want to move out .. your on your own.
The same applies here. If they want the tax payers to take care of them, they have to follow the tax payers rules and that means get off drugs, get off alcohol and do something with your life. I think they should also require community service so they actually get something in return for their money if they are not working. They are not being punished by any means, no they are making a choice to get assistance. That is a choice mind you, I am one of 10 children from the same 2 parents, my father never asked for assistance even when he was paralyzed for 2 years .. no we made it on our own. If we could survive I know these people can, it is a matter of priorities and laziness.
It isn;t their money, it is the tax payers money there is a difference here. Once they are spending their money and not accepting any money from their neighbors I could care less what they do with their money as long as it does not infringe upon anyone elses rights.
Either you just don't understand what I'm saying or you're ignoring it. Not all the people on welfare are unemployed. These are the people that do menial jobs that we need them to do in order to keep the country going. They don't make enough money from their jobs and thus need assistance to get by. They aren't all on drugs, but I'm sure they all don't just spend every penny they make and the money they get in assistance on the basics. Even if drugs were made legal. Are we supposed to oversee what they spend their money on and the money they get for assistance?
I agree it's selfish for those people to be wasting money since they don't make enough to make ends meet to begin with. But if drugs were indeed legal and they had to submit to drug tests and pass them in order to continue getting payments. Why would they be tested at all if the said drugs were legal? See what I'm getting at here? Who dictates as to who gets to do what with the money they make and the money they recieve in assistance?
Is it not their own choice what to spend the money on? Perhaps we should discontinue giving assistance to those welfare people that are smokers and are overweight as well? That isn't healthy either. Although I'm fairly certain they can't spend food stamps on cigarettes. So then they'd be spending the money that they'd actually worked for on them. But wait! They should be spending that money on the basics instead of relying on the taxpayer so they can live this luxorious life they're living. Nevermind the fact that all the money they do get in assistance eventually goes right back into the economic system.
And as far as firing someone who smoked some pot goes, even if they are a valued employee. That's pretty damned messed up. But then if say they're employed in a job that required them to be responsible for others safety, then they need to be held accountable for their actions. Even if the drugs were legalized they should still have to be held to high standards. Anything less would be negligent.
That's what I believe anyway. But then what do I know? I'm not the smartest cookie in the jar by far.
It stops being their choice as long as they are taking their neighbors money. They stop taking their neighbors money it is their choice again. pretty easy. basically if they wat to eb a dependant they have to live by the tax payer rules. If they can afford drugs they can afford food.. pretty easy to understand. It is not a way of life.. they can choose to live that way or not by choosing to turn down government funds. They can do that .. No one is forcing them to take government money .. lol they don't like the rules, they are on their own.
It's pure capitalism.
This is the message. If you are rich and powerful, laws don't apply to you. Did cocaine, smoked pot? Become President like Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, or Barack Obama. Poor, need some help? Take a piss test and STFU and live in a card board box if you do drugs.
Are you very rich? Fly to Amsterdam and do drugs on the weekend, be back home for Monday board meetings. Very poor? Do drugs on a street corner, go to jail and be branded a felon, and your right to vote is taken away.
Yay! America! The message is clear. If you want to do drugs, get rich.
If we're talking about my tax money, then sure. Let her die. Let them ALL DIE!
Oh, you were expecting someone who wasn't chaotic evil?
I agree on getting rid of welfare altogether. I'm tired of my hard work supporting irresponsible people's drug habits.
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Yes make them take drug tests. It'll be funny when some family starves because mommy ate a poppy seed muffin and got a false positive on the test.
And get rid of welfare. We need to start seeing more people starve to death and/or murder for food.
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i agree with this idea they have, and think it should have been done long ago. Many people abuse these systems and nobody does anything about it.
Should i feel sorry for them, nope, i really don't care what case is made. If they are gonna get help like this there needs to be checks to make sure they aren't abusing/wasting the money.
I also think there needs to be this kinda checks for those who recieve child support, which is heavily abused also.
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Yes Just Ignore the thousands of years that the system Diden't Exsist. We totaly cant live W/O it.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Dear God what is Wrong with you people? If there is NO work in your area Move.
My Uncle Sold every Item he had Cept clothes, Shoes, and his paid off car, Moved to Dallas, rented a 1 bedroom apartment for his Wife and 2 kids Worked at the McDonalds down the streat, Got her a job there then 3 months later went to work For Tyco. He is worth 1.2 Million and None of it was easy or handed to him. I cant rember how mutch my Aunt makes But atm its more than him.
But I guess thats To conservative of a Idea for most people. Its just easier to hold your hand out and complane.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
but we should keep giving money to people who buy drugs with the taxpayers money ...... If the government gives you free money, the least you could do is pee in a cup and stay off drugs. If people are irresponsible enough to spend the little amount of money they have on drugs instead of feeding themselves and family, then they dont deserve "free" money. Who deserves welfare money, the family with the drug addicted parents or the family who stay off drugs and spend all their welfare money on trying to stay off the streets?
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Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Dear God what is Wrong with you people? If there is NO work in your area Move.
My Uncle Sold every Item he had Cept clothes, Shoes, and his paid off car, Moved to Dallas, rented a 1 bedroom apartment for his Wife and 2 kids Worked at the McDonalds down the streat, Got her a job there then 3 months later went to work For Tyco. He is worth 1.2 Million and None of it was easy or handed to him. I cant rember how mutch my Aunt makes But atm its more than him.
But I guess thats To conservative of a Idea for most people. Its just easier to hold your hand out and complane.
soo... much... cliche...
I have an uncle on the street. Welfare has kept him from theft, or much more serious issues.
Some of these people have severe mental issues. Some of them are going through a really rough streak. Say what you want about them being a drain on your "tax dollar" but I have a family member who I'm fairly sure would be dead if it wasn't for social programs.
its not a matter of Joe nobody drinking up every weekend with his buddies while no having a job and you getting a nicer car.
Tax dollars are helping people in desperate situations. People who need this help and it really makes a difference. Yes there are people who abuse it, but I can say from experience that I would gladly accept that abuse for the amount of people is saves.
Study after study has shown that working 1 job, having enough money to put a roof on your head, food in your stomach and cloths on your back is as happy as money will get you. Who am I to argue with science?
Id rather remain just as happy, and saved the lives of other people than remain just as happy and have them resort to violence or something more desperate.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...
I care nothing of the people who need welfare. I'd prefer to end it all, and especially end the free $2600 per month that ILLEGAL ALIENS get. This has nothing to do with xenophobia. I do not want to pay for you or your family to survive. I don't want to pay for any of your shit at all.
I don't give a damn if you all died because you couldn't support yourself. Move to a different area and find a job if you want to survive. Oh, if you want to talk about theft? I dare you to try to break into my house and try that shit. Go on, man. Florida has a law that would let me kill you without consequence if you did.
Which sounds better:
1. Paying for someone to live off of welfare and do whatever they want. Use drugs, not worry about having to work because they don't have to, etc. Blah blah.
2. Paying to keep these people in jail because they couldn't afford a living of their own and forced themselves to steal from other people until they were eventually caught.
Hmm, I wonder which one I'd rather have.
Stealing from other people is easier then picking yourself up from the bootstraps, sucking in whatever pride you have left and start doing whatever LEGAL things you can do to provide for yourself. Weak people take the easy way out. Its not that people can't pull themselves back together. Tthey choose not to. There are too many stories of people doing it with hard WORK and EFFORT, but its easier to rob someone or live off of everyone else doing nothing. People better themselves everyday so don't say it can't be done.
Live in Detroit for a year and then see how you feel about taking welfare away from people who need it. My gut tells me it would cost less to support folks with welfare than if you leave them in a crisis. They will find a way to cost you money because they have to survive. That doesn't change.
Taking away welfare would likely lead to a massive increase in crime, which would require a substantial increase in enforcement, institutional capacity- it all costs money- one way or the other- you'll pay.
Dear God what is Wrong with you people? If there is NO work in your area Move.
My Uncle Sold every Item he had Cept clothes, Shoes, and his paid off car, Moved to Dallas, rented a 1 bedroom apartment for his Wife and 2 kids Worked at the McDonalds down the streat, Got her a job there then 3 months later went to work For Tyco. He is worth 1.2 Million and None of it was easy or handed to him. I cant rember how mutch my Aunt makes But atm its more than him.
But I guess thats To conservative of a Idea for most people. Its just easier to hold your hand out and complane.
soo... much... cliche...
I have an uncle on the street. Welfare has kept him from theft, or much more serious issues.
Some of these people have severe mental issues. Some of them are going through a really rough streak. Say what you want about them being a drain on your "tax dollar" but I have a family member who I'm fairly sure would be dead if it wasn't for social programs.
its not a matter of Joe nobody drinking up every weekend with his buddies while no having a job and you getting a nicer car.
Tax dollars are helping people in desperate situations. People who need this help and it really makes a difference. Yes there are people who abuse it, but I can say from experience that I would gladly accept that abuse for the amount of people is saves.
Study after study has shown that working 1 job, having enough money to put a roof on your head, food in your stomach and cloths on your back is as happy as money will get you. Who am I to argue with science?
Id rather remain just as happy, and saved the lives of other people than remain just as happy and have them resort to violence or something more desperate.
Lol theres Nothing cliche about that. it really did happen.
And I would agree on the people with Mental and Physical Issues. I have no Problem there. Its the 100% able boddy people useing the system inplace of Dooing the right thing that bothers me.
If ye love wealth greater than liberty, the tranquility of servitude; greater than the animating contest for freedom, go home from us in peace. We seek not your counsel, nor your arms. Crouch down and lick the hand that feeds you; May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen.
Samuel Adams
My favorite.
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Originally posted by javac
well i'm 35 and have a PhD in science, and then 10 years experience in bioinformatics... you?
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/218865/page/8
It can be cliche and real :P thats just so perfect you might as well put it in a book and read it in 10th grade :P
As for the mental issues, I accept the lazy bums as an added cost of helping people.
If there is a good way to crack down on it, I am for it, but I firmly believe that as it stands it is a perfectly acceptable cost. Im not even going to go at that "kill them all" crap because nobody with opinions like that is taken seriously and I see no reason why I should make an exception lol.
after 6 or so years, I had to change it a little...