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Final Fantasy vs Dungeons and dragons
Im wondering which one has the best population (english speaking) been wanting to try them for a while now..I have played Wow , Aoc, Warhammer, LOTR, Eq2 ..Populaton is a big deal to me as well as PVE so ff or dnd to be honest i feel thats my only choices so if you know anymore games with population let me know thnxs
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Sadly neither of these games are good choices. Most mmorpg games have server population limits that make it so when the game is out for over 2 years or has at least 1 expansion you will no longer see lowbies if you just joined. Even though this is not the case for D&D since the game world is so small, it is the case for FFXI. D&D also has a dwindling population.
You can thank WoW for the early failure of so many mmorpgs. Before WoW people were evenly spread across them with a bit more towards the good ones. Now its all WoW. Its all anyone ever offers even if what is asked does not fit the description of WoW. There are a lot of better games out there but they will all fail shortly after launch.
I have played nearly every MMORPG out there (not just the free ones) and find shortly after launch you will not see many people early or mid level which makes the game feel empty.
Just as a warning FFXI has horrible customer support. When you make a account they give you a random number. If you do not remember it or write it down you lose your account and there is no way to get it back. You also won't be able to cancel your subscription. After 3 days of trying to contact their support I had to despute the monthly fee cause my friend had just signed up and didn't take the number.
I am going to have to disagree with Xelloss. While D&D does not have the population that it launched with, it still seemed pretty decent. D&D also has some of the best dungeons around. Try it and you will see what I am talking about. As far as Final Fantasy XI goes. They still have a really good population. As a matter of fact since they have hit 500K subscribers, it has not seemed to change. From the last report I saw, it was still around 500K.
FFXI has a very loyal player base. People seemed friendly and when I was playing, I got an invite into a Linkshell within a couple hours on my first day. And it was not one of those random invites without talking to you that you get in WoW. The person actually stopped, talked to me for a while and then asked if I wanted to join a linkshell.
Xelloss was right about getting a weird number for you account number. But it was just common sense to me to write it down. I have never had any problems with Square Enix's customer service.
My advice to you would be to surf both companies actual forums and see which server you would like to join, then try both games. Both have free trials available right from the website. FFXI's is 14 days and DDO is 10 I believe.
One final bit of advice. FFXI has a very different control scheme. Do not get discouraged though. Once you get used to it, you will like it. There are two ways you can control things. Either strictly with the keyboard, or with a controller. I personally used a controller and really liked that. Good luck on your new adventures
Hate to say it and not trying to flame, but almost all guild invites that happen when you are not actually playing with the guild member are simply to bolster their ranks. You think you made new friends and have people to group with, they think they just added another number to the 5k members they have
The good thing however is since this is a port there are more people playing since they don't need a good pc. The game has released several expansions and is still doing anniversary collections.
The reason for this is because it is a port originally developed for the PS2. The controls are icky and not made for the PC.
Having just recently started D&D Online a few months ago, I can assure you that the population is doing well even in the lower level areas.
Xelloss265 comments about a dwindling population are speculative at best, and just plain wrong at worst. But honestly, I doubt the population is growing in either game.
FFXI is the best MMO I ever played... but I would have to go with D&D. You're just not likely to make it very far in FFXI. The majority of players are far off in the higher levels and the control scheme is pretty outdated... (though it still works nicely imo) But FFXI you have to group to get anyway so... go with D&D.. apparently it has fun duengons.
Although I would recommend LotRO or The Chornicles of Spellborn...
I actually tried DDo descent game but not really anyone on and I love the social aspects of mmo's ,I did think of trying Chron of spellborn but not sure my pc can handle it Im novice when it comes to specs and frankly I get lost..LOTR I did try but not alot on there as well...Tell me im not gonna be on WoW the rest of my life ;/ Its a good game but been playing since 2005 and did beta also but I agree Blizz owns the market for now so if ya have anymore ideas feel free ty ...
Hate to say it and not trying to flame, but almost all guild invites that happen when you are not actually playing with the guild member are simply to bolster their ranks. You think you made new friends and have people to group with, they think they just added another number to the 5k members they have
The reason for this is because it is a port originally developed for the PS2. The controls are icky and not made for the PC.
Seriously what is with the blatent false information about FFXI all over MMORPG lately? Seriously if you don't know something about the game don't go spreading false info about it!
FFXI has no Linkshell ratings or levels or anything like many newer MMOs...an LS is just a private chat room of mostly friends and/or for certain events. There is nothing about "bolstering ones rank" as its irrelevant and not even there! As per the latest Vana'diel census the average size of an LS is 1-9 members:
We compiled data on the number of currently active linkshells. According to the data, there were a total of 44,560 linkshells active at least once a day, which comes out to an average of 1,392 linkshells per World.
As seen in the graph below, just as last year's census and the census before that, the large majority of active linkshells consist of up to 9 members.
As far as just getting random invites to an LS when not actually playing with said member is impossible. This isn't like every other MMO where you get pop-up window of an invite asking you to join their guild from anywhere! LS invites are only possibly by physically standing your character next to the other member and doing a trade. You also ahve to target said member and click trade on them as well to initiate it. Once you recieve the "Pearl" you can equip it and enter their LS chat, or not at all. You can even remove it and equip another one at anytime too and talk with/join other players of an entirely different LS. You aren't stuck in one LS like all other MMOs; you can be in as manhy as you feel like carrying a "Pearl" for!
The controls also work just fine on PC if you take the time to learn them instead of just log in and get frustrated because you don't want to take the time to actually figure it out or think about it! {this coming from tons of players on the FFXI boards here over the past few months we've encouraged to try out FFXI...}
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Originally posted by natuxatu
You're just not likely to make it very far in FFXI. The majority of players are far off in the higher levels and the control scheme is pretty outdated... (though it still works nicely imo) But FFXI you have to group to get anyway so...
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Having said you played FFXI and not mentioning the Level Sync added last fall which makes a players level irrelevent to where you want to group and with whomever is pretty major. Anyone is likely to make as far as they put the effort into it, and getting groups is no longer an issue at all....in fact a majority of the time there are tons of High Level players swarming the lower areas grouping with low lvl players to take advantage of the Level Sync.
There is nothing wrong with grouping at all, and thats really a major part of playing an online game to begin with...all this new solo-only direction most new MMOs, and alot of older MMOs are changing too is absurd. I applaud Square-Enix for sticking to their original designs for the most part where groups are enforced and you can't solo much. Its about the community being social with each other and working together for long periods at a time and you must have a balanced group to succeed.
You don't get that in new MMOs anymore...its all solo and when you do get a group its usually for a few min to kill an elite mob you can't take down solo {for that lvl range} then everyone splits having said nothing most the time, and most group instancing and raids are mostly whatever classes are available and were off....
Take LOTRO as an example, I'm a Minstrel and I've been invited to so many groups of 4 Hunters, a Champion and myself...thats not a group...its just thrown together because Hunters are a plague being the easiest class to play and the most abundant.
Hate to say it and not trying to flame, but almost all guild invites that happen when you are not actually playing with the guild member are simply to bolster their ranks. You think you made new friends and have people to group with, they think they just added another number to the 5k members they have
The reason for this is because it is a port originally developed for the PS2. The controls are icky and not made for the PC.
Seriously what is with the blatent false information about FFXI all over MMORPG lately? Seriously if you don't know something about the game don't go spreading false info about it!
FFXI has no Linkshell ratings or levels or anything like many newer MMOs...an LS is just a private chat room of mostly friends and/or for certain events. There is nothing about "bolstering ones rank" as its irrelevant and not even there! As per the latest Vana'diel census the average size of an LS is 1-9 members:
We compiled data on the number of currently active linkshells. According to the data, there were a total of 44,560 linkshells active at least once a day, which comes out to an average of 1,392 linkshells per World.
As seen in the graph below, just as last year's census and the census before that, the large majority of active linkshells consist of up to 9 members.
As far as just getting random invites to an LS when not actually playing with said member is impossible. This isn't like every other MMO where you get pop-up window of an invite asking you to join their guild from anywhere! LS invites are only possibly by physically standing your character next to the other member and doing a trade. You also ahve to target said member and click trade on them as well to initiate it. Once you recieve the "Pearl" you can equip it and enter their LS chat, or not at all. You can even remove it and equip another one at anytime too and talk with/join other players of an entirely different LS. You aren't stuck in one LS like all other MMOs; you can be in as manhy as you feel like carrying a "Pearl" for!
The controls also work just fine on PC if you take the time to learn them instead of just log in and get frustrated because you don't want to take the time to actually figure it out or think about it! {this coming from tons of players on the FFXI boards here over the past few months we've encouraged to try out FFXI...}
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Originally posted by natuxatu
You're just not likely to make it very far in FFXI. The majority of players are far off in the higher levels and the control scheme is pretty outdated... (though it still works nicely imo) But FFXI you have to group to get anyway so...
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Having said you played FFXI and not mentioning the Level Sync added last fall which makes a players level irrelevent to where you want to group and with whomever is pretty major. Anyone is likely to make as far as they put the effort into it, and getting groups is no longer an issue at all....in fact a majority of the time there are tons of High Level players swarming the lower areas grouping with low lvl players to take advantage of the Level Sync.
There is nothing wrong with grouping at all, and thats really a major part of playing an online game to begin with...all this new solo-only direction most new MMOs, and alot of older MMOs are changing too is absurd. I applaud Square-Enix for sticking to their original designs for the most part where groups are enforced and you can't solo much. Its about the community being social with each other and working together for long periods at a time and you must have a balanced group to succeed.
You don't get that in new MMOs anymore...its all solo and when you do get a group its usually for a few min to kill an elite mob you can't take down solo {for that lvl range} then everyone splits having said nothing most the time, and most group instancing and raids are mostly whatever classes are available and were off....
Take LOTRO as an example, I'm a Minstrel and I've been invited to so many groups of 4 Hunters, a Champion and myself...thats not a group...its just thrown together because Hunters are a plague being the easiest class to play and the most abundant.
This opinion is extremely biased and shoul be ingored. I loved FFXI but its not perfect or even close. It IS a console port and DOES have bad control. Trying to argue this point is useless. I can understand you think its a great game but try not to say everything thats wrong with it is ok because you like. The average linkshell is 1-9 players? Thats like forming a guild in other mmorpgs with the bare minimum needed to start it, I don't know if thats better or worse then what I complained about.
If you ant to reclaim the credibility that you have lost, why not add what you don't like about the game in that post on why other games are inferior?
Khrymson's post is mostly fact based sprinkled with opinions of why he likes the game: Linkshell data? FACT Level Sync effect on grouping? FACT The nature of FFXI being an actual Group-based MMORPG? FACT On the other hand Xelloss flat out lied when he talked about a linkshell having 5k+ members. Linkshells are capped on their member, somwhere below 100 I'm pretty sure. I think he has FFXI mixed up with a ton of other MMORPG's out there in this respect.
One thing with the addition of Level-Sync, there's almost always a party going on around your level and during primetimes it's as easy as ever to get a party. Sure, if you're playing a DD or one of the few crappy classes you might have to make your own parties during off-hours. But I never made a party in 4 years of playing FFXI with over 2000 job levels spread over 3 characters.
And this control issue still keeps being thrown around. It took a day or 2 to learn the controls, just like any other game. After that they became like second nature. Some people hate them, others love them and still others find that they're more than tolerable after getting used to them. You can always use a controller to play if using the keyboard is too hard for you.
One positive I love about FFXI is the very spartan GUI interface. I love that you're able to play without your screen looking like a fricking airplane cockpit. That's a huge beef I have with the vast majority of MMORPG's out there today.
I would recommend wait for upcoming new game called Alganon.
Kain_Dale
I agree with ya Ad, and a easy way to get around the control scheme is just to buy a controler, they are only 15 bucks and they work great.
Hate to say it and not trying to flame, but almost all guild invites that happen when you are not actually playing with the guild member are simply to bolster their ranks. You think you made new friends and have people to group with, they think they just added another number to the 5k members they have
The reason for this is because it is a port originally developed for the PS2. The controls are icky and not made for the PC.
Seriously what is with the blatent false information about FFXI all over MMORPG lately? Seriously if you don't know something about the game don't go spreading false info about it!
FFXI has no Linkshell ratings or levels or anything like many newer MMOs...an LS is just a private chat room of mostly friends and/or for certain events. There is nothing about "bolstering ones rank" as its irrelevant and not even there! As per the latest Vana'diel census the average size of an LS is 1-9 members:
We compiled data on the number of currently active linkshells. According to the data, there were a total of 44,560 linkshells active at least once a day, which comes out to an average of 1,392 linkshells per World.
As seen in the graph below, just as last year's census and the census before that, the large majority of active linkshells consist of up to 9 members.
As far as just getting random invites to an LS when not actually playing with said member is impossible. This isn't like every other MMO where you get pop-up window of an invite asking you to join their guild from anywhere! LS invites are only possibly by physically standing your character next to the other member and doing a trade. You also ahve to target said member and click trade on them as well to initiate it. Once you recieve the "Pearl" you can equip it and enter their LS chat, or not at all. You can even remove it and equip another one at anytime too and talk with/join other players of an entirely different LS. You aren't stuck in one LS like all other MMOs; you can be in as manhy as you feel like carrying a "Pearl" for!
The controls also work just fine on PC if you take the time to learn them instead of just log in and get frustrated because you don't want to take the time to actually figure it out or think about it! {this coming from tons of players on the FFXI boards here over the past few months we've encouraged to try out FFXI...}
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Originally posted by natuxatu
You're just not likely to make it very far in FFXI. The majority of players are far off in the higher levels and the control scheme is pretty outdated... (though it still works nicely imo) But FFXI you have to group to get anyway so...
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Having said you played FFXI and not mentioning the Level Sync added last fall which makes a players level irrelevent to where you want to group and with whomever is pretty major. Anyone is likely to make as far as they put the effort into it, and getting groups is no longer an issue at all....in fact a majority of the time there are tons of High Level players swarming the lower areas grouping with low lvl players to take advantage of the Level Sync.
There is nothing wrong with grouping at all, and thats really a major part of playing an online game to begin with...all this new solo-only direction most new MMOs, and alot of older MMOs are changing too is absurd. I applaud Square-Enix for sticking to their original designs for the most part where groups are enforced and you can't solo much. Its about the community being social with each other and working together for long periods at a time and you must have a balanced group to succeed.
You don't get that in new MMOs anymore...its all solo and when you do get a group its usually for a few min to kill an elite mob you can't take down solo {for that lvl range} then everyone splits having said nothing most the time, and most group instancing and raids are mostly whatever classes are available and were off....
Take LOTRO as an example, I'm a Minstrel and I've been invited to so many groups of 4 Hunters, a Champion and myself...thats not a group...its just thrown together because Hunters are a plague being the easiest class to play and the most abundant.
This opinion is extremely biased and shoul be ingored. I loved FFXI but its not perfect or even close. It IS a console port and DOES have bad control. Trying to argue this point is useless. I can understand you think its a great game but try not to say everything thats wrong with it is ok because you like. The average linkshell is 1-9 players? Thats like forming a guild in other mmorpgs with the bare minimum needed to start it, I don't know if thats better or worse then what I complained about.
If you ant to reclaim the credibility that you have lost, why not add what you don't like about the game in that post on why other games are inferior?
I think you saying it has bad control is an opinion as well. . While the initial set up for FFXI was kinda janky I went with the compact keyboard set up and it controlled like a dream. Its controls differently than any other mmo out there which I loved SE for. They made a new game not copy off someone. I hope they do the same with their new MMO they are working on.
I liked the GUI IMHO still the best one out there I like to see the world not a huge GUI covering half my screen.. Combat system IMHO is the best out there. Its slower than most if not all other MMO's but you need to work together as a group or you'll get wiped.
The quests are sweet, nice cut scenes for them as well with dialog to read. Not some wall of text that just makes you want to kill yourself. No ?'s or anything over NPC's heads to tell you they are a quest giver. Mobs will chase you till you zone, you're dead or someone else kills it obviously. Non of that I guess I really don't want to kill this guy after all that you have in other games.
AS for DDO it was a fun game but people wanting to do the same dungeon runs over and over to get loot killed it for me. What they should have done is once you complete the dungeon you can't go back in. But they do have some of the best dungeons out there. I also love how the DM narrated things just how they would in a PnP session.
I say download both the trials and see which you like better.