I really don't see the problem with a game that gives customers the option to be PvE completely, or dabble in PvP, or go pure faction PvP all at the same time.. Blizzard offers PvE servers that give people the option to dabble into PvP, and they offer PvP servers that allow you to attack the opposite faction all you want.. Jumpgate can and should do the same thing.. OFFER both options.. For all you PvP fans, go play on a PvP server.. and for those that wish to concentrate on PvE, then let them go to a PvE server.. It's just that simple..
Treat this game like you would an ammusement park.. If you like and want roller coasters, then go stand in the roller coaster line, and for those that like to do shows, merry go rounds, and haunted houses, they'll get into those lines.. To demand that an ammusement park should ONLY cater to your desires while ignoring the other types is financial suicide.. I'm curious tho.. Do you really go to places of entertainment (parks, sports, etc etc) and demand that only your desires are met in the real world?
Anyways,, I'll be back after I made myself a nice breakfast,, then I'll spend more time in demanding that ALL sports I don't like be banned from the world.. I personally like golf and believe we need more golf courses, and we should start by closing all zoo's and turning them into golf courses....... JOKING.. I like zoo's too.. but you get my point.. There is room for EVERYONE and all types.. So instead of fighting and demanding ONLY your style gets played, why not stand up for the rights of others as well
Dear Developers: I am constantly amazed that MMO games get developed with a strong emphasis on PVP. Frankly, i HATE PVP. Not that I am aginst one on one, which is somewhat honorable,but usually PVP turns out to be a gank fest of 6 on one or it starts after a player is engaged in RVR,which is also unfair.. The most successful MMORPG game in history is WOW. Why not adopt their strategy? Have some servers with very limited PVP unless consensual and some with wide open PVP except for starting areas. This would appeal to everyone. Also, as with WOW, instead of forcing folks into PVP, you can have a few ( and I mean a very few) zones that are PVP oriented and give some good rewards. Thus, you would be using the carrot vs. the stick approach. You can even have special PVP events found in "arena" types of zones. If you are going to put PVP in all servers, then at least make it painless with cheap insurance or little penalty for ship destruction, If you want to maximize your player potential and therefore profitability, you will adopt my suggestions.
WoW doesnt have PvP its a carebear honey fairy which allows the kids not to scream for momy...
With that said, everything you say is false, everything. Why, because you have never enjoyed good pvp. What you are afraid of seems to be ganking and sure thats a pain in the ass in a game like this but, its also what makes it so fun to mine, to do 0.0 sec missions.
I will say this once, WoW has the worst PvP of any game I have ever had the enjoyment to play. Instanced is shit and with no conscevence with dying PvP becomes a grind and in its turn pointless. Also I would like to point out that if you are a PvE only person then you will get very limited material in a game such as this, since well.. PvP and spaceships = love.
WoW has good PvE, it has good dungeons, it has good raids, it has a descent economy/crafting system as well as it has an ok world, not great, not best but an ok formed world.
The PvP is shit, there has not been any mmo that I have played that have been any worse, none whatsoever. To say something like that then either 1: WoW's your first mmo, 2: you dont belong in a MMO or 3:a WoW fanboy who wants every game WoWe-wised
If any game were to have PvP like WoW then.. theyd better have a good PVE system.. because noone would play cause of the PvP, noone.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but isn't Eve faction based PvP, which is what you want, so what's the problem? YOU have the game you want.. I prefer PvE play along with MOST of the market out there.. if you want PvP, then fight for a PvP server and leave us PvE fans ALONE.. OR is it your intention to grieve on people like me? hmmmmmmm
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring.
So. Because you are of limited intelligence and are too lazy to finish the tutorial of EVE, the game is "boring"? And you also feel that you have a right to comment on the game?? Gimme a break.
I played the free trial of EVE and actually made it thru the tutorial. But I didn't play the game. To do that you have to join a corp and become involved in the world. Hence, I can't comment on the game either.
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Good luck there, because you ain't likely gonna find your game.
Actually I hit post by mistake. I wasn't watching the time, and had leave for work.
Here's what I was going to say:
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring. Well, the 1st time I tried 14 day trial, anyway.
I did make thru the tutorial the 2nd time, but they did shorten it by then. Still it took me 2 days to push thru the tutorial.
Did some mining, and a few agent missions.... and that was enough for me to say "to hell with this".
I wasn't having any fun, at all, after about 2 hours of play.
I play games for fun... and if a game isn't fun after 2 hours it isn't going to be. (This is where I was going to stop)
That's more then enough right for me to comment on the game, as being boring, to me.
I was never knocking the game, with 200k+ account... some people must like it.
One of biggest problems I had with Eve, outside being boring, was the way played.
The UI and Controls work fine and all, but I didn't feel like I was really controlling my ship...
It was mostly just clicking on the screen and selecting attack and waiting for the thing to blow up.
I was looking for Space game that played more like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, Colony Wars, or Freelancer.
This is why I'm looking at JGE.
As for PvP, I want there to be a point to it. I want it to mean something... to better my faction/clan/guild.
WAR could have be so much better, if the PvE/oRVR was worth it.... Running scenarios Got boring by tier 3.
Anyway I'm not one of the gank happy griever... I'm more the type that kills the grievers, and leave the non-greivers alone.
I really want a game with a good balance of PvE and PvP... Faction-Based, mostly Open-PvP with a few Safe Zones, with PvP that has a point. Like Territory Capture and Hold like you find in FPS (like Killzone 2) just on a grander scale, where holding that area gives you access to the resources in that area, which are needed for crafting... that kinda thing.
Yea won't find my prefect game, but I hoping JGE in close.... or that very least fun.
Correct me if I'm wrong.. but isn't Eve faction based PvP, which is what you want, so what's the problem? YOU have the game you want.. I prefer PvE play along with MOST of the market out there.. if you want PvP, then fight for a PvP server and leave us PvE fans ALONE.. OR is it your intention to grieve on people like me? hmmmmmmm
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring.
So. Because you are of limited intelligence and are too lazy to finish the tutorial of EVE, the game is "boring"? And you also feel that you have a right to comment on the game?? Gimme a break.
I played the free trial of EVE and actually made it thru the tutorial. But I didn't play the game. To do that you have to join a corp and become involved in the world. Hence, I can't comment on the game either.
It's really jackasses like you that are at the core of the "PVP is hardcore carebear" movement. Silly twits that just want to gank and grief because it fuels your tiny egos.
Good luck there, because you ain't likely gonna find your game.
Actually I hit post by mistake. I wasn't watching the time, and had leave for work.
Here's what I was going to say:
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring. Well, the 1st time I tried 14 day trial, anyway.
I did make thru the tutorial the 2nd time, but they did shorten it by then. Still it took me 2 days to push thru the tutorial.
Did some mining, and a few agent missions.... and that was enough for me to say "to hell with this".
I wasn't having any fun, at all, after about 2 hours of play.
I play games for fun... and if a game isn't fun after 2 hours it isn't going to be. (This is where I was going to stop)
That's more then enough right for me to comment on the game, as being boring, to me.
I was never knocking the game, with 200k+ account... some people must like it.
One of biggest problems I had with Eve, outside being boring, was the way played.
The UI and Controls work fine and all, but I didn't feel like I was really controlling my ship...
It was mostly just clicking on the screen and selecting attack and waiting for the thing to blow up.
I was looking for Space game that played more like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, Colony Wars, or Freelancer.
This is why I'm looking at JGE.
As for PvP, I want there to be a point to it. I want it to mean something... to better my faction/clan/guild.
WAR could have be so much better, if the PvE/oRVR was worth it.... Running scenarios Got boring by tier 3.
Anyway I'm not one of the gank happy griever... I'm more the type that kills the grievers, and leave the non-greivers alone.
I really want a game with a good balance of PvE and PvP... Faction-Based, mostly Open-PvP with a few Safe Zones, with PvP that has a point. Like Territory Capture and Hold like you find in FPS (like Killzone 2) just on a grander scale, where holding that area gives you access to the resources in that area, which are needed for crafting... that kinda thing.
Yea won't find my prefect game, but I hoping JGE in close.... or that very least fun.
I wish I was a kid again.. the white hairs on my chin and sides of head spreading kinda quickly.
you say EvE doesnt have any point in PvP? if so then you should really get your facts straight. Im not much of an EvE fan but for PvP combat and guild options its the best. Atleast better then any other PvP game Ive played. You can as a guild build bases, control systems and build an enormous ship called "Titan"
But I agree to the fact that a more action based game would be very neat.. still the possibilities in EvE.. I wont say their endless I just say they outstretch any other MMO to date
*note Im not an EvE fanboy, Ive played it for 2 months*
Still if youd say you want the PvP to be like WoW then your a real greeny
you say EvE doesnt have any point in PvP? if so then you should really get your facts straight. Im not much of an EvE fan but for PvP combat and guild options its the best. Atleast better then any other PvP game Ive played. You can as a guild build bases, control systems and build an enormous ship called "Titan" But I agree to the fact that a more action based game would be very neat.. still the possibilities in EvE.. I wont say their endless I just say they outstretch any other MMO to date *note Im not an EvE fanboy, Ive played it for 2 months* Still if youd say you want the PvP to be like WoW then your a real greeny
I never said that pvp didn't have a point in Eve. I couldn't get into Eve enough to get to PvP... I wanted too. Tried... twice.
I need more action, more control, and less clicking from drop down menus.
I really wanted to like Eve... I just can't get pass the gameplay.
WoW's PvP, well Sucks... but it's a nice break from the PvE. I don't play WoW for PvP, anyway.
Well right now I don't play WoW at all... I canceled my account 2 months ago.
Dear Developers: I am constantly amazed that MMO games get developed with a strong emphasis on PVP. Frankly, i HATE PVP. Not that I am aginst one on one, which is somewhat honorable,but usually PVP turns out to be a gank fest of 6 on one or it starts after a player is engaged in RVR,which is also unfair.. The most successful MMORPG game in history is WOW. Why not adopt their strategy? Have some servers with very limited PVP unless consensual and some with wide open PVP except for starting areas. This would appeal to everyone. Also, as with WOW, instead of forcing folks into PVP, you can have a few ( and I mean a very few) zones that are PVP oriented and give some good rewards. Thus, you would be using the carrot vs. the stick approach. You can even have special PVP events found in "arena" types of zones. If you are going to put PVP in all servers, then at least make it painless with cheap insurance or little penalty for ship destruction, If you want to maximize your player potential and therefore profitability, you will adopt my suggestions.
Omg wtf?
Ok, plz understand that not everyone are 12 year old and scream in violent ADHD anger every time their toon dies. Some of us are a little bit older and more mature and still wanna have a good game to play thats not dumbed down to Hello Kitty Online levels, with no risks, no thinking, no teamplay, etc.
Cartoons jumping around in a fluffy secure PvE enviroment grinding spiders for another level just dont appeal very much to us thanks you.
Our kids love WoW, but me and the wife dont wanna play kids games, we want something more mature. We thought Darkfall would be it, but it just turned out to be a gankfest for retards with macros running over night. No thanks!
So we are waiting for a game that can balance PvE and PvP. Not 90% PvE, not 90% PvP. Simple Fucking Balance please, with graphics and sound that make you immersed.
Oh, and make it a sci-fi, horror, military, survival, RvR type of game and i would be in tears of joy over here.
I'm sorry to disagree with ya.. cause I"ll probably get flamed for it.. but.. WoW has the BEST marriage of PvE/PvP content on the market.. bar none.. Is WoW's PvP the best? Probably not....... Is WoW's PvE the best? Probably not.... BUT does WoW allow both to co-exist depending on the type of server you play on? YES, there is no better game out there currently.
One can yell all they want that this game has this, and that game has that.. But I have yet to find ANY game on the market today that offers as much as WoW does.. I prefer a PvE gamestyle, but every so often I get in the mood to PvP, hence the use of balllegrounds and wintergrasp.. I choose when and where I'm in the mood.. If I want to go to horde country and mine ores, hunt leather or collect herbs I can with realitive safety.. However, If I was a PvP minded person that wants to just fight fight fight with no safety, I would have the option to go PvP server.
I'm sorry to disagree with ya.. cause I"ll probably get flamed for it.. but.. WoW has the BEST marriage of PvE/PvP content on the market.. bar none.. Is WoW's PvP the best? Probably not....... Is WoW's PvE the best? Probably not.... BUT does WoW allow both to co-exist depending on the type of server you play on? YES, there is no better game out there currently. One can yell all they want that this game has this, and that game has that.. But I have yet to find ANY game on the market today that offers as much as WoW does.. I prefer a PvE gamestyle, but every so often I get in the mood to PvP, hence the use of balllegrounds and wintergrasp.. I choose when and where I'm in the mood.. If I want to go to horde country and mine ores, hunt leather or collect herbs I can with realitive safety.. However, If I was a PvP minded person that wants to just fight fight fight with no safety, I would have the option to go PvP server. Please tell me what game does it better?
1st april, get it
"because noone would be stupid enough to make such a comment unless he/she/it either never played a pvp based game and or only played WoW"
Dear Developers: I am constantly amazed that MMO games get developed with a strong emphasis on PVP. Frankly, i HATE PVP. Not that I am aginst one on one, which is somewhat honorable,but usually PVP turns out to be a gank fest of 6 on one or it starts after a player is engaged in RVR,which is also unfair.. The most successful MMORPG game in history is WOW. Why not adopt their strategy? Have some servers with very limited PVP unless consensual and some with wide open PVP except for starting areas. This would appeal to everyone. Also, as with WOW, instead of forcing folks into PVP, you can have a few ( and I mean a very few) zones that are PVP oriented and give some good rewards. Thus, you would be using the carrot vs. the stick approach. You can even have special PVP events found in "arena" types of zones. If you are going to put PVP in all servers, then at least make it painless with cheap insurance or little penalty for ship destruction, If you want to maximize your player potential and therefore profitability, you will adopt my suggestions.
Omg wtf?
Ok, plz understand that not everyone are 12 year old and scream in violent ADHD anger every time their toon dies. Some of us are a little bit older and more mature and still wanna have a good game to play thats not dumbed down to Hello Kitty Online levels, with no risks, no thinking, no teamplay, etc. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Cartoons jumping around in a fluffy secure PvE enviroment grinding spiders for another level just dont appeal very much to us thanks you. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Our kids love WoW, but me and the wife dont wanna play kids games, we want something more mature. We thought Darkfall would be it, but it just turned out to be a gankfest for retards with macros running over night. No thanks! YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR PVP.. ha ha
So we are waiting for a game that can balance PvE and PvP. Not 90% PvE, not 90% PvP. Simple Fucking Balance please, with graphics and sound that make you immersed. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER
Oh, and make it a sci-fi, horror, military, survival, RvR type of game and i would be in tears of joy over here. I HEAR EVE is still up and running.. LOL
BUT.. in my opinion.. if you want a real challenge.. I mean a supper real challenge where you have no fluffy kitties jumping around, you have ALL the risk you can handle, you will calculate almost every move you make and think before talking, and if you want reamplay.. I have what you are looking for ..... are you ready? OK..
REAL LIFE.. Hell, go US Army and you'll get all the lifelike action you can handle..
Life is too demanding already for me to want to WORK at a game.. Call me crazy, but I like to play for dumb fun, not to stress out.. lol
Dear Developers: I am constantly amazed that MMO games get developed with a strong emphasis on PVP. Frankly, i HATE PVP. Not that I am aginst one on one, which is somewhat honorable,but usually PVP turns out to be a gank fest of 6 on one or it starts after a player is engaged in RVR,which is also unfair.. The most successful MMORPG game in history is WOW. Why not adopt their strategy? Have some servers with very limited PVP unless consensual and some with wide open PVP except for starting areas. This would appeal to everyone. Also, as with WOW, instead of forcing folks into PVP, you can have a few ( and I mean a very few) zones that are PVP oriented and give some good rewards. Thus, you would be using the carrot vs. the stick approach. You can even have special PVP events found in "arena" types of zones. If you are going to put PVP in all servers, then at least make it painless with cheap insurance or little penalty for ship destruction, If you want to maximize your player potential and therefore profitability, you will adopt my suggestions.
Omg wtf?
Ok, you plz understand that not everyone are 12 year old and scream in violent ADHD anger every time their toon dies. Some of us are a little bit older and more mature and still wanna have a good game to play thats not dumbed down to Hello Kitty Online levels, with no risks, no thinking, no teamplay, etc. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Cartoons jumping around in a fluffy secure PvE enviroment grinding spiders for another level just dont appeal very much to us thanks you. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Our kids love WoW, but me and the wife dont wanna play kids games, we want something more mature. We thought Darkfall would be it, but it just turned out to be a gankfest for retards with macros running over night. No thanks! YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR PVP.. ha ha
So we are waiting for a game that can balance PvE and PvP. Not 90% PvE, not 90% PvP. Simple Fucking Balance please, with graphics and sound that make you immersed. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER
Oh, and make it a sci-fi, horror, military, survival, RvR type of game and i would be in tears of joy over here. I HEAR EVE is still up and running.. LOL
BUT.. in my opinion.. if you want a real challenge.. I mean a supper real challenge where you have no fluffy kitties jumping around, you have ALL the risk you can handle, you will calculate almost every move you make and think before talking, and if you want reamplay.. I have what you are looking for ..... are you ready? OK..
REAL LIFE.. Hell, go US Army and you'll get all the lifelike action you can handle..
Life is too demanding already for me to want to WORK at a game.. Call me crazy, but I like to play for dumb fun, not to stress out.. lol
Ok il follow in your footsteps so you can UNDERSTAND, you understand? Yes, good. Listen kiddo real life and video games are two different things ok. You follow me, Il speak slowly so you can understand. If you die on the computer, in the game, it wont kill you.
no listen now, comparing the military with PvP is wrong, you understand me, yes? The game is not your life you understand, yes good. PvP is good *baby crying in background* now then settle down *whining* no. A game see, you listen.. goood. A game is not real life so it doesnt bring any "work" although world of warcrafts constant grind.. now thats just fun.. if your a WoW fanboy that is, hurrey for grinding.. no now.
PvP grants guilds power, power which they can use for whatever, alliances, territorial claims whatever. In it wake developers/fans and other wants to see additional content when/or/if this is released and so bases/battlefields and special features for guilds are created (which wouldnt be created if it were PvE based because then they would serve none or little use as it couldnt be assaulted/defended or even cared about since PvE games lack competetive behavior between guilds)
yes, now where were we. Oh yes how could I forgot I was to say that you know nothing of space mmos obviously because the way you address EvE and so you think you will die as much as in fantasy games or that you will have to be guilded not be like ala darkfall, both assumtions are wrong.
Dear Developers: I am constantly amazed that MMO games get developed with a strong emphasis on PVP. Frankly, i HATE PVP. Not that I am aginst one on one, which is somewhat honorable,but usually PVP turns out to be a gank fest of 6 on one or it starts after a player is engaged in RVR,which is also unfair.. The most successful MMORPG game in history is WOW. Why not adopt their strategy? Have some servers with very limited PVP unless consensual and some with wide open PVP except for starting areas. This would appeal to everyone. Also, as with WOW, instead of forcing folks into PVP, you can have a few ( and I mean a very few) zones that are PVP oriented and give some good rewards. Thus, you would be using the carrot vs. the stick approach. You can even have special PVP events found in "arena" types of zones. If you are going to put PVP in all servers, then at least make it painless with cheap insurance or little penalty for ship destruction, If you want to maximize your player potential and therefore profitability, you will adopt my suggestions.
If you enjoy WoW style PvP then stay there. Their PvP system is not the reason people still play WoW. As a matter of fact IMO, their PvP system is nothing more than a take a break from grinding side game. Something that will not work well with a PvP space genre.
When properly setup with community involvement and dire consequences an open PvP game is a blast. The problem is many games try to meet both types of players 1/2 way to please the masses. Games need to be developed with or without PvP in mind, period. Not this current design of "well we want PvP in, but only here, or here and you have to flag, or do this, or that. Give the players and the community the tools to work with and a open PvP game will thrive.
To many games take the half assed approach when it comes to PvP. When all they need to do is set up a basic but severe consequence system and let the community handle the rest.
Dear Developers: I am constantly amazed that MMO games get developed with a strong emphasis on PVP. Frankly, i HATE PVP. Not that I am aginst one on one, which is somewhat honorable,but usually PVP turns out to be a gank fest of 6 on one or it starts after a player is engaged in RVR,which is also unfair.. The most successful MMORPG game in history is WOW. Why not adopt their strategy? Have some servers with very limited PVP unless consensual and some with wide open PVP except for starting areas. This would appeal to everyone. Also, as with WOW, instead of forcing folks into PVP, you can have a few ( and I mean a very few) zones that are PVP oriented and give some good rewards. Thus, you would be using the carrot vs. the stick approach. You can even have special PVP events found in "arena" types of zones. If you are going to put PVP in all servers, then at least make it painless with cheap insurance or little penalty for ship destruction, If you want to maximize your player potential and therefore profitability, you will adopt my suggestions.
If you enjoy WoW style PvP then stay there. Their PvP system is not the reason people still play WoW. As a matter of fact IMO, their PvP system is nothing more than a take a break from grinding side game. Something that will not work well with a PvP space genre.
When properly setup with community involvement and dire consequences an open PvP game is a blast. The problem is many games try to meet both types of players 1/2 way to please the masses. Games need to be developed with or without PvP in mind, period. Not this current design of "well we want PvP in, but only here, or here and you have to flag, or do this, or that. Give the players and the community the tools to work with and a open PvP game will thrive.
To many games take the half assed approach when it comes to PvP. When all they need to do is set up a basic but severe consequence system and let the community handle the rest.
AGAIN I have to state the obvious.. WHY DO PvPer's always demand for a OPEN PvP game? Ask and demand a PvP server and leave us PvE'er alone.. I fail to see the logic why anyone wants the game their way or the highway mentality.. I don't demand that there NOT be PvP servers.. If PvP is what floats your boat.. GO THERE..
I'm sensing what the real issue is you want MORE targets to attack, and you want to grieve others right OUT of the game.. WoW has probably has OVER 50 PvP servers, and over 60+ PvE servers.. BOTH can co-exist at the same time.. Tell me why JE can't be the same way? Have BOTH PvE and PvP servers.. Everyone is happy then.. Right?
Hope they do take the approach of open pvp in the way EVE takes. PvE is all fine and can survive where pvp is too so i don't really see a point in arguing to separate the two. I love to pve a lot but once and a while i love to pvp, but i do like the idea of a harsh death penalty when you lose too.You can either run or fight as no pvp is ever fair in any game.
Hope they do take the approach of open pvp in the way EVE takes. PvE is all fine and can survive where pvp is too so i don't really see a point in arguing to separate the two. I love to pve a lot but once and a while i love to pvp, but i do like the idea of a harsh death penalty when you lose too.You can either run or fight as no pvp is ever fair in any game.
The explain to me why YOU cant' PvP all you want on a PvP server with open PvP.. and I can go to a PvE server that restricts PvP options like most games on the market today.. I have yet to hear a simple and intelligent reason why having both type of servers is a bad idea.. I'm all ears.. So lets hear it..
The explain to me why YOU cant' PvP all you want on a PvP server with open PvP.. and I can go to a PvE server that restricts PvP options like most games on the market today.. I have yet to hear a simple and intelligent reason why having both type of servers is a bad idea.. I'm all ears.. So lets hear it..
No one said there having both was a bad idea. In fact it a good idea. But as it stands now we are only getting one type of Server... PvE with Opt-in PVP. tho I think there areas where if you go ther it flags you automagicly for going there... the contested areas where you can build a station for your Faction/Squad, kind like WAR's oRvR Areas, I least I hope that is what they are doing.
So relax Rydeson, you won't have to PvP if you don't won't too.
Anyway, some want Full PvP all the time, with a split wanting RvR Style (Faction Based) PvP, the other want FFA PvP.
I wanted a pvp server, with RvR style PvP, with a few safe areas, with a meaningful death penalty, but not as extreme as you lose everything. I personally with go with you respawn back at the last Station you were at, ship and equipment in tact, but you lose your cargo. If you died to a NPC you can fly back to where you died at an get it back. If a Enemy Player, from other two factions was the one to kill you, then they get to loot your cargo... maybe not all of it, but some. Also for killing the other players from another faction nets you some kinda xp or rep, that way if they don't have anything in their cargo you still get something for killing them.
Originally posted by lornphoenix I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring.
LMAO, that's the trouble with the spoiled kids of today, just don't have the staying power!!
Well, games are supposed to be FUN. If it is like work .. well ... I can always do real work at home. There is nothing wrong to ask for good entertainment value.
We are playing games, not trying to get a second job in a second life.
Well, games are supposed to be FUN. If it is like work .. well ... I can always do real work at home. There is nothing wrong to ask for good entertainment value. We are playing games, not trying to get a second job in a second life.
Trouble is, this often equates to a virtual morphine injection every few minutes rather than long term goal setting and accomplishment. The most "fun" I've had in past MMOs has been through overcoming adversity which, at the time, may not have been the most fun thing in the world, but the satisfaction of victory was a far better motivator than looting that uber l33t monster that millions of other people have killed before me.
Unfortunately the people who have entered the MMO market are like locusts. They swarm from game to game demanding quick rewards for minimal effort.
Well, games are supposed to be FUN. If it is like work .. well ... I can always do real work at home. There is nothing wrong to ask for good entertainment value. We are playing games, not trying to get a second job in a second life.
Trouble is, this often equates to a virtual morphine injection every few minutes rather than long term goal setting and accomplishment. The most "fun" I've had in past MMOs has been through overcoming adversity which, at the time, may not have been the most fun thing in the world, but the satisfaction of victory was a far better motivator than looting that uber l33t monster that millions of other people have killed before me.
Unfortunately the people who have entered the MMO market are like locusts. They swarm from game to game demanding quick rewards for minimal effort.
Well, your definition of fun is very different from most of the market then. Fun of the process >>>> banging your head frustrated and need to try to do something 100x times.
Just look at Diablo .. it is highly addictive and fun slaughtering hordes and hordes of mobs. And it is NOT difficult.
There is NOTHING wrong with having some quick, cheap, easy fun. Accomplishment in a MMO is an illusion anyway. You are always doing something millions of people who have done before you (except of course in games that no one plays). Even in PvP .. you think you are the FIRST one who frag that guy? Think again.
Games are NOT about challenges today. It is about consuming content and get that l33t loot.
...Will it be so terrible to have servers where both PvPers and PvErs are present if you can still go about the areas of the game you enjoy without participating in the bits you do not enjoy?
Then the game will degrade into the old WOW formula:
Grind to level 60--->Gank lowbies--->Declare your leetness.
And what's wrong with following a winning formula that serves 10M?
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I really don't see the problem with a game that gives customers the option to be PvE completely, or dabble in PvP, or go pure faction PvP all at the same time.. Blizzard offers PvE servers that give people the option to dabble into PvP, and they offer PvP servers that allow you to attack the opposite faction all you want.. Jumpgate can and should do the same thing.. OFFER both options.. For all you PvP fans, go play on a PvP server.. and for those that wish to concentrate on PvE, then let them go to a PvE server.. It's just that simple..
Treat this game like you would an ammusement park.. If you like and want roller coasters, then go stand in the roller coaster line, and for those that like to do shows, merry go rounds, and haunted houses, they'll get into those lines.. To demand that an ammusement park should ONLY cater to your desires while ignoring the other types is financial suicide.. I'm curious tho.. Do you really go to places of entertainment (parks, sports, etc etc) and demand that only your desires are met in the real world?
Anyways,, I'll be back after I made myself a nice breakfast,, then I'll spend more time in demanding that ALL sports I don't like be banned from the world.. I personally like golf and believe we need more golf courses, and we should start by closing all zoo's and turning them into golf courses....... JOKING.. I like zoo's too.. but you get my point.. There is room for EVERYONE and all types.. So instead of fighting and demanding ONLY your style gets played, why not stand up for the rights of others as well
LMAO, that's the trouble with the spoiled kids of today, just don't have the staying power!!
He's right though. It could use a lot more naked.
WoW doesnt have PvP its a carebear honey fairy which allows the kids not to scream for momy...
With that said, everything you say is false, everything. Why, because you have never enjoyed good pvp. What you are afraid of seems to be ganking and sure thats a pain in the ass in a game like this but, its also what makes it so fun to mine, to do 0.0 sec missions.
I will say this once, WoW has the worst PvP of any game I have ever had the enjoyment to play. Instanced is shit and with no conscevence with dying PvP becomes a grind and in its turn pointless. Also I would like to point out that if you are a PvE only person then you will get very limited material in a game such as this, since well.. PvP and spaceships = love.
WoW has good PvE, it has good dungeons, it has good raids, it has a descent economy/crafting system as well as it has an ok world, not great, not best but an ok formed world.
The PvP is shit, there has not been any mmo that I have played that have been any worse, none whatsoever. To say something like that then either 1: WoW's your first mmo, 2: you dont belong in a MMO or 3:a WoW fanboy who wants every game WoWe-wised
If any game were to have PvP like WoW then.. theyd better have a good PVE system.. because noone would play cause of the PvP, noone.
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring.
So. Because you are of limited intelligence and are too lazy to finish the tutorial of EVE, the game is "boring"? And you also feel that you have a right to comment on the game?? Gimme a break.
I played the free trial of EVE and actually made it thru the tutorial. But I didn't play the game. To do that you have to join a corp and become involved in the world. Hence, I can't comment on the game either.
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Good luck there, because you ain't likely gonna find your game.
Actually I hit post by mistake. I wasn't watching the time, and had leave for work.
Here's what I was going to say:
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring. Well, the 1st time I tried 14 day trial, anyway.
I did make thru the tutorial the 2nd time, but they did shorten it by then. Still it took me 2 days to push thru the tutorial.
Did some mining, and a few agent missions.... and that was enough for me to say "to hell with this".
I wasn't having any fun, at all, after about 2 hours of play.
I play games for fun... and if a game isn't fun after 2 hours it isn't going to be. (This is where I was going to stop)
That's more then enough right for me to comment on the game, as being boring, to me.
I was never knocking the game, with 200k+ account... some people must like it.
One of biggest problems I had with Eve, outside being boring, was the way played.
The UI and Controls work fine and all, but I didn't feel like I was really controlling my ship...
It was mostly just clicking on the screen and selecting attack and waiting for the thing to blow up.
I was looking for Space game that played more like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, Colony Wars, or Freelancer.
This is why I'm looking at JGE.
As for PvP, I want there to be a point to it. I want it to mean something... to better my faction/clan/guild.
WAR could have be so much better, if the PvE/oRVR was worth it.... Running scenarios Got boring by tier 3.
Anyway I'm not one of the gank happy griever... I'm more the type that kills the grievers, and leave the non-greivers alone.
I really want a game with a good balance of PvE and PvP... Faction-Based, mostly Open-PvP with a few Safe Zones, with PvP that has a point. Like Territory Capture and Hold like you find in FPS (like Killzone 2) just on a grander scale, where holding that area gives you access to the resources in that area, which are needed for crafting... that kinda thing.
Yea won't find my prefect game, but I hoping JGE in close.... or that very least fun.
@Kayless
I wish I was a kid again.. the white hairs on my chin and sides of head spreading kinda quickly.
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring.
So. Because you are of limited intelligence and are too lazy to finish the tutorial of EVE, the game is "boring"? And you also feel that you have a right to comment on the game?? Gimme a break.
I played the free trial of EVE and actually made it thru the tutorial. But I didn't play the game. To do that you have to join a corp and become involved in the world. Hence, I can't comment on the game either.
It's really jackasses like you that are at the core of the "PVP is hardcore carebear" movement. Silly twits that just want to gank and grief because it fuels your tiny egos.
Good luck there, because you ain't likely gonna find your game.
Actually I hit post by mistake. I wasn't watching the time, and had leave for work.
Here's what I was going to say:
I couldn't get thru the turtorial of Eve... it was that boring. Well, the 1st time I tried 14 day trial, anyway.
I did make thru the tutorial the 2nd time, but they did shorten it by then. Still it took me 2 days to push thru the tutorial.
Did some mining, and a few agent missions.... and that was enough for me to say "to hell with this".
I wasn't having any fun, at all, after about 2 hours of play.
I play games for fun... and if a game isn't fun after 2 hours it isn't going to be. (This is where I was going to stop)
That's more then enough right for me to comment on the game, as being boring, to me.
I was never knocking the game, with 200k+ account... some people must like it.
One of biggest problems I had with Eve, outside being boring, was the way played.
The UI and Controls work fine and all, but I didn't feel like I was really controlling my ship...
It was mostly just clicking on the screen and selecting attack and waiting for the thing to blow up.
I was looking for Space game that played more like X-Wing vs Tie Fighter, Colony Wars, or Freelancer.
This is why I'm looking at JGE.
As for PvP, I want there to be a point to it. I want it to mean something... to better my faction/clan/guild.
WAR could have be so much better, if the PvE/oRVR was worth it.... Running scenarios Got boring by tier 3.
Anyway I'm not one of the gank happy griever... I'm more the type that kills the grievers, and leave the non-greivers alone.
I really want a game with a good balance of PvE and PvP... Faction-Based, mostly Open-PvP with a few Safe Zones, with PvP that has a point. Like Territory Capture and Hold like you find in FPS (like Killzone 2) just on a grander scale, where holding that area gives you access to the resources in that area, which are needed for crafting... that kinda thing.
Yea won't find my prefect game, but I hoping JGE in close.... or that very least fun.
@Kayless
I wish I was a kid again.. the white hairs on my chin and sides of head spreading kinda quickly.
you say EvE doesnt have any point in PvP? if so then you should really get your facts straight. Im not much of an EvE fan but for PvP combat and guild options its the best. Atleast better then any other PvP game Ive played. You can as a guild build bases, control systems and build an enormous ship called "Titan"
But I agree to the fact that a more action based game would be very neat.. still the possibilities in EvE.. I wont say their endless I just say they outstretch any other MMO to date
*note Im not an EvE fanboy, Ive played it for 2 months*
Still if youd say you want the PvP to be like WoW then your a real greeny
I never said that pvp didn't have a point in Eve. I couldn't get into Eve enough to get to PvP... I wanted too. Tried... twice.
I need more action, more control, and less clicking from drop down menus.
I really wanted to like Eve... I just can't get pass the gameplay.
WoW's PvP, well Sucks... but it's a nice break from the PvE. I don't play WoW for PvP, anyway.
Well right now I don't play WoW at all... I canceled my account 2 months ago.
Omg wtf?
Ok, plz understand that not everyone are 12 year old and scream in violent ADHD anger every time their toon dies. Some of us are a little bit older and more mature and still wanna have a good game to play thats not dumbed down to Hello Kitty Online levels, with no risks, no thinking, no teamplay, etc.
Cartoons jumping around in a fluffy secure PvE enviroment grinding spiders for another level just dont appeal very much to us thanks you.
Our kids love WoW, but me and the wife dont wanna play kids games, we want something more mature. We thought Darkfall would be it, but it just turned out to be a gankfest for retards with macros running over night. No thanks!
So we are waiting for a game that can balance PvE and PvP. Not 90% PvE, not 90% PvP. Simple Fucking Balance please, with graphics and sound that make you immersed.
Oh, and make it a sci-fi, horror, military, survival, RvR type of game and i would be in tears of joy over here.
I'm sorry to disagree with ya.. cause I"ll probably get flamed for it.. but.. WoW has the BEST marriage of PvE/PvP content on the market.. bar none.. Is WoW's PvP the best? Probably not....... Is WoW's PvE the best? Probably not.... BUT does WoW allow both to co-exist depending on the type of server you play on? YES, there is no better game out there currently.
One can yell all they want that this game has this, and that game has that.. But I have yet to find ANY game on the market today that offers as much as WoW does.. I prefer a PvE gamestyle, but every so often I get in the mood to PvP, hence the use of balllegrounds and wintergrasp.. I choose when and where I'm in the mood.. If I want to go to horde country and mine ores, hunt leather or collect herbs I can with realitive safety.. However, If I was a PvP minded person that wants to just fight fight fight with no safety, I would have the option to go PvP server.
Please tell me what game does it better?
1st april, get it
"because noone would be stupid enough to make such a comment unless he/she/it either never played a pvp based game and or only played WoW"
Omg wtf?
Ok, plz understand that not everyone are 12 year old and scream in violent ADHD anger every time their toon dies. Some of us are a little bit older and more mature and still wanna have a good game to play thats not dumbed down to Hello Kitty Online levels, with no risks, no thinking, no teamplay, etc. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Cartoons jumping around in a fluffy secure PvE enviroment grinding spiders for another level just dont appeal very much to us thanks you. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Our kids love WoW, but me and the wife dont wanna play kids games, we want something more mature. We thought Darkfall would be it, but it just turned out to be a gankfest for retards with macros running over night. No thanks! YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR PVP.. ha ha
So we are waiting for a game that can balance PvE and PvP. Not 90% PvE, not 90% PvP. Simple Fucking Balance please, with graphics and sound that make you immersed. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER
Oh, and make it a sci-fi, horror, military, survival, RvR type of game and i would be in tears of joy over here.
I HEAR EVE is still up and running.. LOL
BUT.. in my opinion.. if you want a real challenge.. I mean a supper real challenge where you have no fluffy kitties jumping around, you have ALL the risk you can handle, you will calculate almost every move you make and think before talking, and if you want reamplay.. I have what you are looking for ..... are you ready? OK..
REAL LIFE.. Hell, go US Army and you'll get all the lifelike action you can handle..
Life is too demanding already for me to want to WORK at a game.. Call me crazy, but I like to play for dumb fun, not to stress out.. lol
Omg wtf?
Ok, you plz understand that not everyone are 12 year old and scream in violent ADHD anger every time their toon dies. Some of us are a little bit older and more mature and still wanna have a good game to play thats not dumbed down to Hello Kitty Online levels, with no risks, no thinking, no teamplay, etc. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Cartoons jumping around in a fluffy secure PvE enviroment grinding spiders for another level just dont appeal very much to us thanks you. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER..
Our kids love WoW, but me and the wife dont wanna play kids games, we want something more mature. We thought Darkfall would be it, but it just turned out to be a gankfest for retards with macros running over night. No thanks! YOU GOT WHAT YOU ASKED FOR PVP.. ha ha
So we are waiting for a game that can balance PvE and PvP. Not 90% PvE, not 90% PvP. Simple Fucking Balance please, with graphics and sound that make you immersed. THEN GO TO A PVP SERVER
Oh, and make it a sci-fi, horror, military, survival, RvR type of game and i would be in tears of joy over here.
I HEAR EVE is still up and running.. LOL
BUT.. in my opinion.. if you want a real challenge.. I mean a supper real challenge where you have no fluffy kitties jumping around, you have ALL the risk you can handle, you will calculate almost every move you make and think before talking, and if you want reamplay.. I have what you are looking for ..... are you ready? OK..
REAL LIFE.. Hell, go US Army and you'll get all the lifelike action you can handle..
Life is too demanding already for me to want to WORK at a game.. Call me crazy, but I like to play for dumb fun, not to stress out.. lol
Ok il follow in your footsteps so you can UNDERSTAND, you understand? Yes, good. Listen kiddo real life and video games are two different things ok. You follow me, Il speak slowly so you can understand. If you die on the computer, in the game, it wont kill you.
no listen now, comparing the military with PvP is wrong, you understand me, yes? The game is not your life you understand, yes good. PvP is good *baby crying in background* now then settle down *whining* no. A game see, you listen.. goood. A game is not real life so it doesnt bring any "work" although world of warcrafts constant grind.. now thats just fun.. if your a WoW fanboy that is, hurrey for grinding.. no now.
PvP grants guilds power, power which they can use for whatever, alliances, territorial claims whatever. In it wake developers/fans and other wants to see additional content when/or/if this is released and so bases/battlefields and special features for guilds are created (which wouldnt be created if it were PvE based because then they would serve none or little use as it couldnt be assaulted/defended or even cared about since PvE games lack competetive behavior between guilds)
yes, now where were we. Oh yes how could I forgot I was to say that you know nothing of space mmos obviously because the way you address EvE and so you think you will die as much as in fantasy games or that you will have to be guilded not be like ala darkfall, both assumtions are wrong.
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If you enjoy WoW style PvP then stay there. Their PvP system is not the reason people still play WoW. As a matter of fact IMO, their PvP system is nothing more than a take a break from grinding side game. Something that will not work well with a PvP space genre.
When properly setup with community involvement and dire consequences an open PvP game is a blast. The problem is many games try to meet both types of players 1/2 way to please the masses. Games need to be developed with or without PvP in mind, period. Not this current design of "well we want PvP in, but only here, or here and you have to flag, or do this, or that. Give the players and the community the tools to work with and a open PvP game will thrive.
To many games take the half assed approach when it comes to PvP. When all they need to do is set up a basic but severe consequence system and let the community handle the rest.
If you enjoy WoW style PvP then stay there. Their PvP system is not the reason people still play WoW. As a matter of fact IMO, their PvP system is nothing more than a take a break from grinding side game. Something that will not work well with a PvP space genre.
When properly setup with community involvement and dire consequences an open PvP game is a blast. The problem is many games try to meet both types of players 1/2 way to please the masses. Games need to be developed with or without PvP in mind, period. Not this current design of "well we want PvP in, but only here, or here and you have to flag, or do this, or that. Give the players and the community the tools to work with and a open PvP game will thrive.
To many games take the half assed approach when it comes to PvP. When all they need to do is set up a basic but severe consequence system and let the community handle the rest.
AGAIN I have to state the obvious.. WHY DO PvPer's always demand for a OPEN PvP game? Ask and demand a PvP server and leave us PvE'er alone.. I fail to see the logic why anyone wants the game their way or the highway mentality.. I don't demand that there NOT be PvP servers.. If PvP is what floats your boat.. GO THERE..
I'm sensing what the real issue is you want MORE targets to attack, and you want to grieve others right OUT of the game.. WoW has probably has OVER 50 PvP servers, and over 60+ PvE servers.. BOTH can co-exist at the same time.. Tell me why JE can't be the same way? Have BOTH PvE and PvP servers.. Everyone is happy then.. Right?
The level of stupid in this thread is amazing.
just thought I'd drop in and mention that.
Played and enjoyed: EQ1, DAoC, WoW
Played and disliked: Guild Wars, WAR
Currently playing: Nothing
Waiting for: Mortal Online
Please, whatever you do, DO NOT adopt the WoW approach to PvP. It's poorly conceived and shoe-horned into a game not designed for it.
Hope they do take the approach of open pvp in the way EVE takes. PvE is all fine and can survive where pvp is too so i don't really see a point in arguing to separate the two. I love to pve a lot but once and a while i love to pvp, but i do like the idea of a harsh death penalty when you lose too.You can either run or fight as no pvp is ever fair in any game.
The explain to me why YOU cant' PvP all you want on a PvP server with open PvP.. and I can go to a PvE server that restricts PvP options like most games on the market today.. I have yet to hear a simple and intelligent reason why having both type of servers is a bad idea.. I'm all ears.. So lets hear it..
Well most games would be best suited with the pvp model that daoc uses (best pvp type to date imho). then all types of ppl could play on one server
BruceLeeglad
Retired in too many games
No one said there having both was a bad idea. In fact it a good idea. But as it stands now we are only getting one type of Server... PvE with Opt-in PVP. tho I think there areas where if you go ther it flags you automagicly for going there... the contested areas where you can build a station for your Faction/Squad, kind like WAR's oRvR Areas, I least I hope that is what they are doing.
So relax Rydeson, you won't have to PvP if you don't won't too.
Anyway, some want Full PvP all the time, with a split wanting RvR Style (Faction Based) PvP, the other want FFA PvP.
I wanted a pvp server, with RvR style PvP, with a few safe areas, with a meaningful death penalty, but not as extreme as you lose everything. I personally with go with you respawn back at the last Station you were at, ship and equipment in tact, but you lose your cargo. If you died to a NPC you can fly back to where you died at an get it back. If a Enemy Player, from other two factions was the one to kill you, then they get to loot your cargo... maybe not all of it, but some. Also for killing the other players from another faction nets you some kinda xp or rep, that way if they don't have anything in their cargo you still get something for killing them.
LMAO, that's the trouble with the spoiled kids of today, just don't have the staying power!!
Well, games are supposed to be FUN. If it is like work .. well ... I can always do real work at home. There is nothing wrong to ask for good entertainment value.
We are playing games, not trying to get a second job in a second life.
Trouble is, this often equates to a virtual morphine injection every few minutes rather than long term goal setting and accomplishment. The most "fun" I've had in past MMOs has been through overcoming adversity which, at the time, may not have been the most fun thing in the world, but the satisfaction of victory was a far better motivator than looting that uber l33t monster that millions of other people have killed before me.
Unfortunately the people who have entered the MMO market are like locusts. They swarm from game to game demanding quick rewards for minimal effort.
Trouble is, this often equates to a virtual morphine injection every few minutes rather than long term goal setting and accomplishment. The most "fun" I've had in past MMOs has been through overcoming adversity which, at the time, may not have been the most fun thing in the world, but the satisfaction of victory was a far better motivator than looting that uber l33t monster that millions of other people have killed before me.
Unfortunately the people who have entered the MMO market are like locusts. They swarm from game to game demanding quick rewards for minimal effort.
Well, your definition of fun is very different from most of the market then. Fun of the process >>>> banging your head frustrated and need to try to do something 100x times.
Just look at Diablo .. it is highly addictive and fun slaughtering hordes and hordes of mobs. And it is NOT difficult.
There is NOTHING wrong with having some quick, cheap, easy fun. Accomplishment in a MMO is an illusion anyway. You are always doing something millions of people who have done before you (except of course in games that no one plays). Even in PvP .. you think you are the FIRST one who frag that guy? Think again.
Games are NOT about challenges today. It is about consuming content and get that l33t loot.
Grind to level 60--->Gank lowbies--->Declare your leetness.
And what's wrong with following a winning formula that serves 10M?
2 words: StarWars Galaxies
2 words? lol