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Rapid Fanboi'ism vs Hater... uh.. 'ism
Paks
Member Posts: 263
Both suck.
Everyone has an opinion about Funcom. Mine is more in the don't trust area, but still it's an opinion based on my own perceptions and experiences. Others have different experiences and perceptions which produce different opinions.
Nothing wrong with any of that.
What is wrong is blind hate and blind trust. Neither is productive for the community. I can't help a game get better if all I see in a game is the fools gold glittering in front of my eyes. In the same respect, I'd be detrimental to the community if all I see is the crap I fell in from a previous encounter.
I'm not saying forget your hopes that a game will be great, and I'm not saying forget the problems you encountered before. All are legit. Just be constructive and most assuredly objective in how you express your views and in how you present suggestions and feedback. That is if you want to follow the game and contribute on forums.
And remember everyone is entitled to an opinion, and others are entitled to not agree with that opinion. The key to being/sounding mature is in how you express yourself with both.
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How long have you been a member of this forum.. all that happens here is fanboi vs hater wars, its what these peole do here.
Quotations Those Who make peaceful resolutions impossible, make violent resolutions inevitable. John F. Kennedy
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Nice words OP. I am afraid few posters here are smart enought to follow your advice. I do however think that there are plenty of lurkers who could post more and be a counterweight to flame/fan wars.
Originally posted by BishopB:
Are a lot of the trolls just angry kids with old gaming hardware?
Heh, OP said whats 100% true. Sad thing is the "blind" ones are going to come in here and use the very fact OP stated about everyone being entitled to their opinion, as a comeback to their reasoning of disagreeing with you. Which is silly because by using your statement against you, they are also blindly admitting that they agree with you but are just being smartasses and saying they disagree.
But it is kinda sad seeing every single hyped MMO with a ton of haters. I don't see how that many MMO's can realisticly be "OMG THIS GAME SUUUUUCKS". I mean honestly, at least fanboi's are the better of two evils. Then again, the best way I could describe this site is basically a hillbilly's ugly sister screwing within the same family making a very gene f*cked family.
Not that that's a bad thing, just overkill on the 2 extremes. But don't get this site wrong, there is a bit of maturity on view points, and those people know who they are. And the blind fools don't because they? They blind fool.
I agree with you OP, radical or extreme positions are never helpful. Although i must say it would be nice if the companies actaully listend to the non-radical people (they tend to listen to the fanbois the most). For example, funcom did not listen at all to it's beta testers for AoC (besides the first revamp of the combat system) there were lots of comments and suggestions on the beta forums never listend to or only paid lip service too.
@Deserttfoxx: I've been here for a few years, as you can see from my Join Date, I just don't post much.
@Aceunder: I agree. I find myself looking for posts that have some semblance of a subjective nature to them when reading about MMOs. The fanboi vs hater thing is really out of control on some forums and it overshadows the game itself.
@denshing: I don't think one side is better then the other. Both are blind and detrimental to an MMO. One side is blind to anything that works in an MMO or good about developers so focused only on the bad and they do it in a very negative manner (key point). The other side loves the ground developers walk on so feed bad info back to the devs because they are blind to the game's faults. The best way is to be open minded about the good and bad and express that in a constructive manner.
@Idar1: I was in that beta also, and I agree with you 100%.
I think I got in around October or November or something like that.
Anyway, I'd really like to see this forum take on a more mature approach for discussions on this game. I know it'd be an MMORPG.com first right?
Considering how charged people's opinions of Funcom are this may be an exercise in futility. In some of these forums myself and others can say the same thing over and over again for years until we are blue in the face it doesn't matter someone especially new people will come in and post the same stuff we counter against all the time.
It makes you wonder what's the point after a while, it's not worth getting upset over that's for sure. Smile and nod, just smile and nod.
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People, when wronged, would rather come onto an internet forum and talk about things that everyone else should do when they themselves are too much of a coward to do it themselves. I have been in this game for long enough and know ALL companies out there do not and cannot deliver 100% of their promises. If a game interests me, I will buy it and play it. If I can get 20 hours out of it it is already well above what most single player games on the market offer.
Educate yourselves and learn to make up your own mind based on the information available. You know what they say about opinions after all . . .
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I don't think alot of people know how companies like Funcom work. The teams that are working on AoC and TSW are totally different teams. If you want to compare this game to anything you'd have to think of Anarchy Online, since that's the closest you'll get to the same team that's working on TSW. Anarchy Online was a great game, and I played it for years. Funcom just funds the game and pays the developers, the developers are what you should be comparing, not the company.
Anyways, I'd rather wipe Funcom's butt, before I have anything to do with SOE. SOE is an infinitely worse company.
I think that's part of the problem. People expect game companies to produce 100% of what they say they can produce, and companies know they can't produce 100% of what they say they can. Both need to be more realistic.
There's always that let down haflway through production when a company announces they're cutting so many features, or they announce just before release that they cut so many features. The beta players knew the features were cut. There were undoubtedly leaks saying such and such was cut, but the company remains silent till the end. Things like this don't promote good feelings, and this is for game companies across the board.
People are justified in being upset with game companies. It's how they express that that matters. Again, I'm in the do not trust camp, and have been since AoC. I just want us to all take a step back and try to express ourselves in a more constructive way. If you read a haters post, ignore them and go to a more productive post. If you read a fanboi's post, ignore them and go to a more productive post. Lead by example.
As the Oracle said in The Matrix:
"You have to make up your own damn mind"
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I'm pretty sure some developers from AoC moved to TSW.
A company sets the tone for how their developers work and interact with the community. If a team inside Microsoft made a new software that was just horrid, would people blame Microsoft or just the development team? Chances are very high most would blame both, but Microsoft would take the brunt of the blame.
I won't judge anything without knowing, so far the ideas presented are great, the game director has a very good history record, the puzzles have been great. We haven't seen anything of the actual game tho, so i can't talk on how the game would be, i hope it live up to what has been shown so far, but we will just have to wait and see, it has had (the concept, team and puzzles) attention for quite a while.
there are other interesting titles in the horizon, but i guess there's only one other that ahs similar potential for being really good different and refreshing as this one -could- potentially be, if done well.
Which game is that?
World of Darkness online, by CCP/White-Wolf, based on the PnP RPG setting.
I think alot of the Dreamfall dev team is working on this game.
True, he mentions that in a couple interviews. I could be wrong but I do think a few devs from AoC moved over as well.