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WizGamer
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*BELOW is A VERY STRONG OPINION.
CONSTRUCTIVE POSTS ONLY, Please.
HERE IS A GOOD LINK TO SEE WHATS GOING ON. WE are both acting so childish. http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm?load=forums&loadforum=432&loadthread=27647&setstart=1&loadclass=102&fp=1152,864,999665515
If you like EQ2 please support by constructive comments.
NOTE: I have played both betas. WoW to an extent and EQ2, little but enough to make my opinion. First of ALL NOTICE HOW THOSE WHO BASH EQ2 PRAISE WoW. Maybe if there was a variety then I would say okay, you made a good valid point but this is getting childish.
Okay to you all who are interested in EQ2, watch what you read in these forums. A lot of this stuff about the game sucking is bogus. Those WoW fanbois (12 year-olds who are so immature that they have to ruin other games for other people) are trying to ruin the game. There are many reasons for this:
1. Many of the posters complaints have no hard evidence or reasoning behind them
2. Many of the complainers have never played this game EVER so have no reason to complain
3. You MIGHT find that many of people who complain on this forum (so I have heard) are actually WoW fanbois on the WoW forum
4. The PC Gamer post below is totally erroneus and invalid. Many friends of mine spent the last hour or two trying to find the article and um we couldn't find it. Being since I have the most recent one to the day the game came out, I am pretty sure that article does not exist. Therefore the PC Gamer poster is most likely a WoW fan.
5. They think that just because SOE may have a bad history of MMOs (which isn't true, they only messed up on SWG) that SOE messed up EQ2. You'll even hear them say,"Oh well EQ2 must suck because SOE sucks at MMORPGS.
Here's my Hypothesis on how the WoWers go about this evil is:
1. Someone (doesn't have to be a WoW fan) says something about something, maybe a bug they noticed.
2. The WoWers see this as an opportunity and pounce on the post saying everything bad they can, exaggerating the problem.
3. Soon they have a topic totally against EQ2.
I realize that perhaps the number of WoW fans on the EQ forums may outnumber the EQ2 fans but they shouldn't act so immaturely.
*Braces for Flames*
Comments
I am a CoH player myself, but EQ2 has the sort of fantasy feel I have always enjoyed so may be starting up EQ2 real soon.
My reason for posting is I agree that a lot of negative posts have an agenda. To dissuade you from buying that game or persuade you to drop it if you are already playing.
The main source of these posts comes from your main competitors, in your case WoW is an obvious choice. But any fantasy MMORPG is a prime candidate.
I think a lot more forum readers are wise to this now than they were and take glowing praises and damning criticism with a pinch of salt. A very large one.
Best of luck in what looks like a great game.
I know several people who hate SOE and EQ2, but aren't WoW fans. They're also older than 12.
[quote]Originally posted by WizGamer
I realize that perhaps the number of WoW fans on the EQ forums may outnumber the EQ2 fans but they shouldn't act so immaturely.
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EQ2 is out and WoW is still in beta = many more WoW fans in the forums until they have something more constructive to do like play WoW (I'm using the term "constructive" very loosely here understand
). Also, we are quickly reaching the point where most everyone will be playing the game of their choice and before too long we'll all be looking to the horizon again for the next big thing and some will probably lament over all the time they fucking wasted forum waring/trolling (often the same thing) for games which they no longer care so strongely about.
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so what, there bored, and many folks are playing both games or going to play both
as far as servers go there full of folks, they have added more, and many servers are already locked
so it seems to me the game is doing well if folks are having fun great, if not ask why and what things they can do differently, its a mighty big playground in the game
and both games can end up being winners
Why is it whenever someone says "Please All Read!!" in the post header the post is usually lame and you wish you skipped it completely?
Seriously, way to feed the machine with yet another WoW/EQ2 thread. Your post is filled with generalities. Frankly, I have no doubt there are lots of people who have played EQ2, who don't like it, and really could care less about WoW. Everyone who dislikes the game isn't a 'WoW fanboi' as you like to call them. I haven't played either one of them, but I sure have read enough threads like this one from both camps.
Any true MMO fan will learn what they can about both games, try both of them out if they can, then play the one that resonates with them the most. Simple as that. Hopefully in the next month I will get DSL back and buy both these games and find out which one I enjoy more. I'm leaning towards EQ2 but from all I have read WoW sounds like fun too. More power to both of them and I wish threads like these would die the stupid death they deserve.
I have stated that if WoW didn't exist, i would be playing EQ2, and would be very addicted.
Unfortunately if WoW didn't exist, i also wouldn't have the chance to realise that addiction is not fun.
I play WoW because it is fun, plain and simple, not tediusly addictive, and not completely linear.
I am a WoW fanboi.
GG
I think really your just fueling the flames of hatred..EQ2 looks like a kool game and i think is more for the hard core gamers. Im going to buy wOw not so much because i think its better then eq2 but just a totaly differnt style of game. Im more into pvp then i am grinding xp or doing long challanging quest...not that i dont like long hard ffxi style quest but pvp is just a big deal to me in mmorpg's....And as for people fighting or having flame wars over the two differnt games that is pretty damn stupid, its just as dumb as people fighting over whats better xbox or ps2 or people saying fords suck because they drive a chevy.. ya...im sure some of my spelling is wrong but its late night and im pretty tired....just cant sleep so im checkin out all the differnt forums.
They are very different games. The whole design is different, from top to bottom. These games can not be compared accurately because of their contrast. If you want to buy one of them, look at how they are different, then make your judgement. There is no point comparing them to each other any more than there is to me arguing that Half Life 2 is better than Hello Kitty Online World.
EQ2:
Takes alot of time to advance
Very nice graphics and good performance if you have a nice computer, if not you can tone the settings down
Heavy focus on group-play
Immersive
Zones
Lots of fun, but you must be dedicated and willing to "work" to have fun
You must be online for atleast an hour to get much accomplished, it can take much longer than that to find a good group
WoW:
Quicker leveling than EQ2
Graphics are not that great, and will not be good at all in comparison 5 years from now
Soloing is a very viable option, but groups work well too
Cartoony graphics and lack of voice acting makes it less immersive than EQ2, but it is still very fun
One continuous world, no loading zones unless you go into an instance or teleport in some fashion
Lots of fun, but more casual than EQ2.. more for people looking to play around and have alot of fun than "working" to get higher
You must be online for atleast thirty minutes to get much accomplished
I beta-tested World of Warcraft since June, and was the webmaster at warrior.worldofwar.net for a few months. I just bought EQ2 when it released, and I am playing that currently. I will probably buy WoW when it comes out, once heroes and battlefields have been implemented.
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Forgive me Zarlan, but I think people need to see what your comparison looks like when tweaked by someone who's more interested in WoW than EQ2. Consider it an exercise in subjectivity.
EQ2:
Takes a heartbreakingly long time to advance
Dreadful graphics whether or not you have a nice computer. You might be able to counter this effect by just telling yourself the opposite until you finally believe it
Almost total focus on group-play
Only very vaguely immersive
(...until you get to the edges of the...) Zones
Lots of fun, but you must be dedicated and willing to "work" to have fun, with no attainable goal other than to do more and more work, ad infinitum
You must be online for at least an hour to get much accomplished, it can take much longer than that to find a good group
WoW:
Quicker levelling than EQ2, because the end game will be something you'll want to play sooner rather than later
Graphics are fantastic, beautifully designed, consistent in style while varied in content, perfectly color-balanced, and look mindblowing on a good video card at high rez with AA and anisotropic filtering enabled.
Soloing is a very viable option, but groups work well too
Cartoony graphics and lack of voice acting make it far more immersive than EQ2, because Sony completely missed the mark when they aimed for a realistic look, and what's immersive about hearing the same overlong, badly acted recordings over and over again, especially when you're trying to talk to your guildmates on ventrilo and there's no "NPC STFU" option.
One continuous world, no loading zones unless you go into an instance or teleport in some fashion
Lots of fun, but more casual than EQ2.. more for people looking to play around and have a lot of fun than "working" to get higher
You must be online for at least thirty minutes to get much accomplished
Hmmm...so...long level grind that looks nice if you have a high end machine with expensive video card...if not it's a not so nice looking level grind?
Out of luck if you don't find a group?
Doesn't all the zoning hurt the immersion factor?
Can you explain working to have fun a bit more? Lost me there.
Please, as much as I like WoW aswell(And EQ2 I like too), please sod off to your own forums, fanbois.
I would have to agree mostly with Shobu. I think the original poster that posted the differences has viable points as it is his/her opinion. But, I myself (Not a 13 year old, but much older) likes WoW's graphics and what they have done with the game. I played EQ1 for 3+ years and it was a great game! It held my interest for that long... I Beta'ed EQ2 and WoW. Because EQ2 was a sequel (more or less to speak of in comparison), I found EQ2 lacking. I personally (My Opinion) would rather go back and play EQ1 before I would go play EQ2. I think EQ1 was done more or less correctly, where EQ2 seem to miss the mark. Between the two Betas WoW held my interest and was the one I enjoyed playing the most. Eventhough, I tested both game throughly to high lvls. I just couldn't "like" EQ2. Most likely, with all the hipe and videos on SoE's website, when I got to play the game I felt that if I would have bought the game I would have been ripped off. (Just My Opinion again for all those that are screaming and shouting about how could you not like this game....) WoW on the other hand, seems to be a solid, great graphics and has a different feel than EQ1. I think WoW has not proved to me that it is the greatest MMO ever because I still feel it has not offered something new to the MMORPG, but instead has just improved it! So for this I am gonna play WoW, mainly because it is different, somewhat new in certain aspects (not MMO new) and I choose whatever I feel that I want to spend my money on and noone else can make that decision for me.
My Suggestion: To each their own (Choose what you think you will likely play the longest and have the most fun playing. And remember there are more options out there than just EQ2 and WoW!)
Out of context (For Mmorpg Admin): Because it is early on a Sunday morning and I know that I must have misspelled a few things and my grammer is probably horrible because I am up too early, we need a grammer check and spell check button!
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I only post if I think there is hope.
I see sooooo many great things in EQ2 that I dont see in WoW. Talking with Blizzard is hopeless IMO. Talking with SoE take time, they listen more or less, they do their ways all the time, but...there is hope!
I am a solo and group lover, both...but I have also no interest in raiding. Why cant they just make a non-raiding server with all the best tools in a group andor solo setting only?
Anyway, I will return to CoH, they may not have done enought, but what is not done cant be done wrong!
Exemple: Customization in EQ2 is great, but, it is hardly visible. Higher cheeks or lower ears, it is good, but it is a DETAIL compare to feeling everyone is like everyone.
I dont play for my guild, I never will. I love Japan culture and society, but I dont want to become a part of a Japan-minded company, life suck in it and it is not fun, it is WORK!
I Play EQ for a LONG time...I am a powerplayer and I dont raid, if I dont reach the top, I need to dream I will, and I cant even dream about it in current form! I am a benevolant individualist that believe in individuality above anything else, duty to honor pass throught individuality and is benevolent, especially in a HOBBY!
To make a game where a good grouper is automatically a better soloer is silly, it have no logic, I could maybe deal with it because I happen to also love grouping, but when you start talking about multi-group and tradeskill...wooooah, you lose me.
The day I will stop talking and complaining is the day I will lose hope completely in SoE. I know before I buy it EQ2 would not be what I want, I buy it to encourage them nonetheless and say to keep the good work and progress. Althought I know from start EQ2 was not for me, I see enought good points in it to support them a little and remind them they still have my attention...and to give it a try anyway.
I wont bash WoW, like I say, WoW will lack beyond any common measure, they are backward on so many topic, I dont believe in Blizzard a moment. The time will blurr them completely to reality and the high number of subscriptions will make them ablivious to reality and when the game will experience mass exodus(it will close before EQ, 2 years max), they will focus on another product and never realize what what happening. Blizzard is clueless, they are doing their best, but they are clueless. Best proof, they put the high end much later in the game and try to appeal to casuals in the same time, they try to please everyone but have no clue on how to do it and they do a little of everything, they have no idea what they are doing.
CoH may ''only'' have the combat system, but beside been ''to fast'', a ''superhero setting'' and the ''accolades'' I cant find anything at all to say against them. Lack of stuff is not a valid argument, what CoH did is strong, efficient, fun, great!
Can SoE outmatch Cryptic? Yes, but they better start working now, they are slowly but certainly falling behind!
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I've beta tested WoW aswell. EQ2 is simply at a higher lvl. quests, combat, graphics. It doesn't get ´boring when you actually grinding instead of doing oustanding quests. It's the "feeling" in that game. WoW can't even get close.
I am not a WoW hater, in fact I like it. and if it werent for EQ2 I'd be playing it on release.
I have never tested EQ2 therefor never complained or commented on it. So if you 2year olds on both sides will stop complaning it would make both games for anyone who wants to play nice.
Also wiz it was real childish (hopeing your not) of you to reply to the other post if you think someone is a moron you don't talk to them because all that will do it give that person more attention and you come out looking worse then the idiot who started the whole thing.
All I can say is Grow the hell up. These games are for entertainment. When you guys start haveing flame fest about them you all look like morons(more like nerds). I will also be commenting to the Idiot on WoW forums so if you like you can go read that up too.
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[quote]Originally posted by WizGamer
[b]*BELOW is A VERY STRONG OPINION.
CONSTRUCTIVE POSTS ONLY, Please.
HERE IS A GOOD LINK TO SEE WHATS GOING ON. WE are both acting so childish. [url=http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion.cfm?load=forums&loadforum=432&loadthread=27647&setstart=1&loadclass=102&fp=1152,864,999665515]
If you like EQ2 please support by constructive comments.
NOTE: I have played both betas. WoW to an extent and EQ2, little but enough to make my opinion. First of ALL NOTICE HOW THOSE WHO BASH EQ2 PRAISE WoW. Maybe if there was a variety then I would say okay, you made a good valid point but this is getting childish.
Okay to you all who are interested in EQ2, watch what you read in these forums. A lot of this stuff about the game sucking is bogus. Those WoW fanbois (12 year-olds who are so immature that they have to ruin other games for other people) are trying to ruin the game. There are many reasons for this:
1. Many of the posters complaints have no hard evidence or reasoning behind them
2. Many of the complainers have never played this game EVER so have no reason to complain
3. You MIGHT find that many of people who complain on this forum (so I have heard) are actually WoW fanbois on the WoW forum
4. The PC Gamer post below is totally erroneus and invalid. Many friends of mine spent the last hour or two trying to find the article and um we couldn't find it. Being since I have the most recent one to the day the game came out, I am pretty sure that article does not exist. Therefore the PC Gamer poster is most likely a WoW fan.
5. They think that just because SOE may have a bad history of MMOs (which isn't true, they only messed up on SWG) that SOE messed up EQ2. You'll even hear them say,"Oh well EQ2 must suck because SOE sucks at MMORPGS.
Here's my Hypothesis on how the WoWers go about this evil is:
1. Someone (doesn't have to be a WoW fan) says something about something, maybe a bug they noticed.
2. The WoWers see this as an opportunity and pounce on the post saying everything bad they can, exaggerating the problem.
3. Soon they have a topic totally against EQ2.
I realize that perhaps the number of WoW fans on the EQ forums may outnumber the EQ2 fans but they shouldn't act so immaturely.
*Braces for Flames*
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Note: I haven't read this thread only your post. So sorry if this has been mentioned.
But I got my hopes up on this Post. For once i thought the post started out neutral. I thought for once it was gonna be a:
"Lets all stop this stupid nonsense" and "Because my Game A gets trolled by a very small minority of Game B it shouldn't Give me Random Fanboi of Game A the right to Troll Game B back, because in the end i am becoming what i hate". Substitue A = EQ2 and B= Wow then inverse that for A=WoW and B=EQ2.
There i said it.
No your post was a complete waste of time, seriously you started so well i actually thought you was gonna try and stop the complete nonsense of EQ2 vs WoW threads and ACCEPT that it takes TWO to tango. I.e Its not just WoW fans going onto EQ2 forums its EQ2 fans going onto WOW forums as well. Just browse the WoW forums for similar threads to this with the prime suspects who troll the opposite game day and night.
Note: I HAVE played both of the games and do prefer WoW BUT that is my personal preference. Im just sick of having to ignore countless threads in the WoW forums and im pretty sure others in the EQ2 forum are pretty sick of jumping other threads in the EQ2 forums.
You post sir is completely pointless. And asking for constructive criticsm means you agree with this wholely. You know it stinks, you know its a completely zany attitude yet you still posted it ^ ^.
Yet another EQ2 vs WoW thread in my eyes. I only opened this thread cause i thought just for once we had an intelligent thread to do with both of the games.
TBH i think mmorpg.com should just BAN those obviously going into other forums and putting the game down. I dont mean one or two time offenders i mean entire 120 post threads devoted to complete nonsense.
Sure ill prob be flamed by somebody in this forum for my tag, and that i said i like WoW but hey who cares?. perhaps ill reach a few people.... but i doubt i will actually reach the true Trollers. The few individuals causing all this trouble on BOTH sides.
Peace
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Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
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Truly Loved: World of Warcraft
You where right.
Do you even know the story-line before WoW? I'm pretty sure you know crap, your just "I tried it till lvl 10, I've made up my mind kid". The thing is with warcraft is it's "better" when you know the story right from the beginning (from earlier warcraft games).
I actually liked WoW better than EQ2 to begin with, but when I hit the 40's in WoW it got pretty boring.
As for EQ2 I slowly began to like it around the 20's and only got better and better.
My point is you as many others who already judged the game before even getting started with it is ridiculous. Please don't post that you did reach high lvls in both games before you "judged" I am pretty sick of it, everyone says that in defence, it's kinda sad.
and it's kinda sad you felt like you had to post when your so "tired" of it
You where right.
Do you even know the story-line before WoW? I'm pretty sure you know crap, your just "I tried it till lvl 10, I've made up my mind kid". The thing is with warcraft is it's "better" when you know the story right from the beginning (from earlier warcraft games).
I actually liked WoW better than EQ2 to begin with, but when I hit the 40's in WoW it got pretty boring.
As for EQ2 I slowly began to like it around the 20's and only got better and better.
My point is you as many others who already judged the game before even getting started with it is ridiculous. Please don't post that you did reach high lvls in both games before you "judged" I am pretty sick of it, everyone says that in defence, it's kinda sad.
and it's kinda sad you felt like you had to post when your so "tired" of it
Dea is what SoE think is the majority of customers.
There are many players like you, and SoE didnt miss completely the mark.
WoW is basically doing like old EQ in the high end, which is nothing compare to EQ2.
I am pretty sure the game will get even better with the more you discover as you are only starting to understand EQ2. Enjoy it Dea, the game is WONDERFULL as long as someone have your tastes.
Dont bother to much with WoW fans, give them time to reach level 40, so in 2 months, dont even post about it, they will be busy chain flaming WoW and how much it lack! *grin*
WoW high end is doing exactly the same as EQ2, but with no limit of 24 and they are so much more simple then EQ2 it is presponderous to compare them.
When CoH Issue 3 come live, it will hit in WoW subscribers pretty hard indeed! And the folks immune to those aspects will most likely rejoin a game like EQ2, EQ or DAoC when they see their friends leave back to CoH. *grin*
And for not posting before reach level X, well, if someone love raiding your arguing make sense...if someone dont like raiding, after killing the level 6 orc in the tutorial with a group is pretty close to have a good idea about the game.
I mean, GUILD have LEVELS!!! Do I really need to see more to understand I am not for that, not that I mind it if others do it and developp it, but me, personnally, in my little self centered existence, I dont even want to consider having to do that for solo uberness or group uberness! *grin*
- "Solo is, will always be, the main market. A MMORPG that succeed with little or no solo appeal is doing great considering they are ignoring the main player base.''
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren