Whats the best race to choose for my Rogue?

tones · November 2004

My friends seem to all be going Alliance so I have to choose a race for my rogue there...I am looking at Human now so I can start with my friends who are also going Human. Is there any major advanatges to going any of the other races even Horde....or can the advantages be made if with good armor and items?

Drunky · November 2004

My guess would be Night Elf....Check their traits :

Shadowmeld: Activate while immobile and out of combat to enter stealth mode

Quickness: Dodge chance increased

Wisp Spirit: Become a wisp when dead with movement speed increase

Nature Resistance: Increase Nature Resistance

So i really think the NE is the best race for Rogue....in Alliance that is...

My 2 cents..

apocalance · November 2004

my rogue will be human

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pagzafer · November 2004

In the end, the stats of the different races will pretty much even out so I'd just go for which ever race you think is cooler. Traitwise, I agree with Drunky as far as picking a good rogue race in the alliance. If you want to go Horde, I'd pick trolls as their traits are pretty nice:

Berserking: Activate with wounded to increase melee and spellcasting speed by %25.

Regeneration: 10% health regen bonus.

Beast Slaying: 5% damage bonus to beasts.

Throwing Weapon Specialization: +5 to throwing weapon skill.

All of those traits will help out in the life of a rogue, but ultimately the decision comes down to personal preference.

What races do other people prefer?

WoOzy · November 2004

I wanted to make a NE rogue as well, for the alliance side but i'm unsure.

What good will shadowmeld do for me ? Does it in anyway complement and/or enhance the already present stealth ability of the rogue?

Shadowmeld on NE characters i DID play (rogue not included) were almost useless to me. I can't move while i'm hidden, i thought i could at least move at night whilst hidden like in WC3, but no.

And it didn't seem to help me go undetected from aggro creatures in the wilds. I remember on more than once occasion being attacked while in stealth form. I might be too hasty here as it's possible that certain creatures can easily detect a person hidden in shadows.

Either way, if someone has evidence of the NE shadowmeld trait helping rogues, i would really like to know. I'd also appreciate some confirmation on my opinion of the shadowmeld trait itself. Thanks.

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Dremvek · November 2004

The shadowmeld sounds good for a rogue, but at a very early level, the rogue gets their stealth ability, so that negates the shadowmeld ability, as I don't think they stack. I know you can't use shadowmeld if you are currently already using stealth, but never tried it the other way.

opie · November 2004

Actually they do stack. Having shadowmeld and stealth makes your stealth more effective.

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Julik100 · November 2004

Having played a NE rogue... Shadowmeld did not make my stealth any better... i could not shadowmeld while stealthed or vice versa..

And Quickness being only 1% increase is not really anything too spectacular... should go up to like 3-5% imo.

KingGrowl · November 2004

Originally posted by opie
Actually they do stack. Having shadowmeld and stealth makes your stealth more effective."I wasnt gonna just ram it home. I was gonna lube it up and ease it in there inch by inch....like a gentleman." - Hank

You are 100% Correct they do stack and thats a VERY good thing lol.

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BigPeeler · November 2004

IMO the best class for rogue is NE mostly due to shadowmeld stacking with stealth... only problem with a NE rogue is you have to live with just being one of the many NE rogues... it is undoubtably one of the most used class/race combo's...

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Hrothmund · November 2004

Actually I ended up seeing way more dwarf and gnome rogues than NEs. The dwarves and gnomes are good not because of their racial traits, but because of their smaller stature, which makes them able to hide inside bushes and be harder to notice when not stealthed or transparent. Because of the size factor they are just a step ahead of the other races' rogues when it comes down to PvP. Also the gnome's escape artist racial trait is quite useful for rogues.

Arkain · November 2004

Originally posted by Drunky

My guess would be Night Elf....Check their traits :
Shadowmeld: Activate while immobile and out of combat to enter stealth mode
Quickness: Dodge chance increased
Wisp Spirit: Become a wisp when dead with movement speed increase
Nature Resistance: Increase Nature Resistance
So i really think the NE is the best race for Rogue....in Alliance that is...
My 2 cents..

I would not take a Night Elf because of the "Shadowmeld".

Rogues get "Stealth" at lvl 1 so IMO you would be weakening yourself (wasting a power/Abilitiy).

You could take a Dwarf they make grate "Thief type" Rogues they have Treasure Finding.

Or a Troll make great "Assassin Type" they have Berserking, Regeneration, & Throwing Weapon Specialization.

And Undead make great "Evidence Hiding" Rogues because well you can eat the body.

Rhevin · November 2004

I was a gnome rogue. When I reached the Barrens, I would hide in the bushes and confront an enemy. I'd wait for him to attack me once then I'd wipe him out. If I died, I'd make sure I was near a bush so when when I ressuerectd, I'd do so in the shrubbery and not be noticed. Usually there'd be about 30-50 enemies looking for me when I made my first kill and they never checked the bushes. I hade a lot of fun with Feyn, and tomorrow night I will remake F

Julik100 · November 2004

Shadowmeld breaks if you move... what point would a rogue have to use shadowmeld and stand still? Just sneak behind the guy... if they get close enough to you they are going to see you anyway (unless they are way under your level )

che4prez · November 2004

Gnome.

The reason its hte best is cause of a race trait skill called "escape artist" that skill will save your life more than the 1% increased dodge that you get being a nightelf. Trust me. Not to mention they are the coolest.

vknid · November 2004

I'd have to agree with Hrothmund. Gnome sounds good for pvp.

Although I believe NE have a higher base damage output then all else. (not by much though) Dwarf has more hps.

I think the best class a NE should be is Priest. Shadowmeld is a MUST for a priest heh. That skill saved my life more then once as a priest.

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opie · November 2004

Originally posted by Julik100
Shadowmeld breaks if you move... what point would a rogue have to use shadowmeld and stand still? Just sneak behind the guy... if they get close enough to you they are going to see you anyway (unless they are way under your level )

Jesus I wish peopel would actually listen to the things the devs state if they intend to speak about them.

Pay attention this time please:
Shadowmeld is an ability normally. Stand still, use it and you hide.

Now, lets say your a NE rogue. You have stealth and shadowmeld.

Now in addition to being able to hide normally with shadowmeld, it wil also make you harder to dectect when you are stealthing......you dont have to activate it or anything, it just make you better at stealthing.

So please stop posting these dumb ass posts about not being able to hide with shadowmeld when your already stealthing. No shit you cant hide when your already hidden......

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apocalance · November 2004

Originally posted by opie
Originally posted by Julik100
Shadowmeld breaks if you move... what point would a rogue have to use shadowmeld and stand still? Just sneak behind the guy... if they get close enough to you they are going to see you anyway (unless they are way under your level )

Jesus I wish peopel would actually listen to the things the devs state if they intend to speak about them.

Pay attention this time please:
Shadowmeld is an ability normally. Stand still, use it and you hide.

Now, lets say your a NE rogue. You have stealth and shadowmeld.

Now in addition to being able to hide normally with shadowmeld, it wil also make you harder to dectect when you are stealthing......you dont have to activate it or anything, it just make you better at stealthing.

So please stop posting these dumb ass posts about not being able to hide with shadowmeld when your already stealthing. No shit you cant hide when your already hidden......

"I wasnt gonna just ram it home. I was gonna lube it up and ease it in there inch by inch....like a gentleman." - Hank

I believe you're mistaken.

Shadowmeld - Active - Activate while immobile and out of combat to enter stealth mode - lasts until canceled - no cooldown

Now, having used it as a DRUID, I know that when you move, it deactivates. So, in the event that it does STACK with the rogue ability, it would only STACK when you were standing still! That, to me, isn't a benefit.

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Julik100 · November 2004

Originally posted by opie
Originally posted by Julik100
Shadowmeld breaks if you move... what point would a rogue have to use shadowmeld and stand still? Just sneak behind the guy... if they get close enough to you they are going to see you anyway (unless they are way under your level )

Jesus I wish peopel would actually listen to the things the devs state if they intend to speak about them.

Pay attention this time please:
Shadowmeld is an ability normally. Stand still, use it and you hide.

Now, lets say your a NE rogue. You have stealth and shadowmeld.

Now in addition to being able to hide normally with shadowmeld, it wil also make you harder to dectect when you are stealthing......you dont have to activate it or anything, it just make you better at stealthing.

So please stop posting these dumb ass posts about not being able to hide with shadowmeld when your already stealthing. No shit you cant hide when your already hidden......

"I wasnt gonna just ram it home. I was gonna lube it up and ease it in there inch by inch....like a gentleman." - Hank

Alright well i played a Orc Rogue to 50 and a NE rogue to 40 and noticed NO difference at all... Also from looking at screenshots i took i dont see it upping my Subtlety any higher than normal (which is what increases your stealth effectiveness like the MoD Talent does)

So unless you have some info from a Blizzard Source that states it helps i dont buy it.

vknid · November 2004

Julik100 and apocalance hath pwned opie. = /

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CIM_LW · November 2004

Gnome rogues are annoying as hell. You never quite expect to get stabbed in the ankles while questing or doing something else.

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