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Gaming companies lie all the time; where the hell have you been? You act as if this is something that's never happened before. Just look at SOE, or Mythic, or many others that don't even need mentioning. I can even give thorough details, if need be. The fact is, FC is taking steps to remedy the damage (which is more than can be said about the aforementioned companies), and so far, it's looking pretty good.
Oh come on.. You can't possibly compare Funcom to Mythic and SOE. Hatred against Funcom has been legenday and I've personally never seen anything like it. I mean some ex-players made freaking "Failcom" T-shirts! Have you EVER seen someone dislike a gaming company so much that they print out T-shirts? I know I haven't.
Are all these hundreds of thousands of "haters" wrong? Are they all losers and idiots? And are you guys (a handful of mmorpg.com Age of Conan forum warriors) only ones that are right? Think about it.
People spend time on a forum for different reasons, a friend of mine drives a Nissan Skyline, he loves that car, and it is his dream car. He is also quite active on several of the Skyline forums around Why is he not spending his time driving the car instead of reading the forums?
He also loves radio controlled cars and are very active on these forums too, so why isn't he outside spending every minute driving his RC around the block?
When it comes to people defending their game passionatly there can be lots of reasosn for it, you pretty much have 2 arch types of "defenders" the Fanbois and the ones who defend the game when lies and misinformation is being spread by the haters and trolls. Why do they spend time on the forums? Answer the 2 first questions I posted and I'll tell you the answer.
Sure I'll answer your questions.
You and majority of posters just don't understand what I'm asking. Maybe my English is bad or maybe the topic is just too difficult? There is nothing wrong or weird in visiting a forum about a topic you are interested in. I do understand why people come on AoC forums BUT I don't understand this need to religiously defend the product.
I mean does your friend visit Nissan Skyline forums every day for 3 hours starting threads where he's telling how awesome Nissan Skyline is and how everyone should buy one? Does he then go on to forums of Toyota and starts threads where he says how much Toyota sucks and how much better Nissan is? No he doesn't. Why? Because he doesn't work for Nissan and he has better things to do.
Same thing goes with your RC example.
Ok, now I answered you questions. Now it's your turn to answer mine.
yep, im totally with the majority, i have no idea and i cant understand why someone will come to a forum and spend a whole day asking why fans of a game are saying that the game is cool !
thats really spooky.
you dont understand why some people "religiously defend the product", well, thats what you claim, does not make it true just by saying it, i dont see anyone "religiously defend the product" while i can see clearly some people "religiously flaming the product" and that is if "religiously doing something" means anything.
Yes they are.
They are kids of today whose guiding motto is "I want it all and I want it now"
The funny thing is that all these hundreds of losers and idoits either go back to play WoW or they some other game just as bad or as good as AoC!
PS hatred for SOE runs far deeper that hatred for FC.
Gaming companies lie all the time; where the hell have you been? You act as if this is something that's never happened before. Just look at SOE, or Mythic, or many others that don't even need mentioning. I can even give thorough details, if need be. The fact is, FC is taking steps to remedy the damage (which is more than can be said about the aforementioned companies), and so far, it's looking pretty good.
Oh come on.. You can't possibly compare Funcom to Mythic and SOE. Hatred against Funcom has been legenday and I've personally never seen anything like it. I mean some ex-players made freaking "Failcom" T-shirts! Have you EVER seen someone dislike a gaming company so much that they print out T-shirts? I know I haven't.
Are all these hundreds of thousands of "haters" wrong? Are they all losers and idiots? And are you guys (a handful of mmorpg.com Age of Conan forum warriors) only ones that are right? Think about it.
Actually Funcom and the hatred they saw compared to SOE and the NGE and CU are nothing. There is people today that actively hate SOE still because of what they did back then. Now that is legendary hate towards a company.
And the t-shirt example made me lol, people have been printing t-shirts against things they dislike for years, decades actually. People have used t-shirts to show other what they feel, and for someone to make a t-shirt with the text Failcom on is truly not a big thing. If you think so then you need a realitycheck. I can easy go make my own t-shirts tomorrow if I want too, it's not hard at all and it doesn't cost more then a regular t-shirt. Heck since I didn't like Warhammer or Darkfall maybe I should print a T-shirt of each and wear?
This is not about who's right or wrong, in your world it might be, but as others have mentioned people learn by their mistakes and move on. For many it was a mistake to trust Funcom, they learnt from it and moved on. Things change over time, so does companies. yes Funcom did have some very creative marketing pre launch, no doubt about it. Then again point me to a gaming company that hasn't used creative marketing? Blizzard have promotion video's of WoW that doesn't look anything like ingame, same did Mythic. Why? Are they afraid to show people the graphic in their game? You won't find a company that haven't at some point used creative marketing that has been lies, or close to lies to promote their products, Funcom ain't the first still it seems like this is something brand new to you.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
And the t-shirt example made me lol, people have been printing t-shirts against things they dislike for years, decades actually. People have used t-shirts to show other what they feel, and for someone to make a t-shirt with the text Failcom on is truly not a big thing. If you think so then you need a realitycheck. I can easy go make my own t-shirts tomorrow if I want too, it's not hard at all and it doesn't cost more then a regular t-shirt. Heck since I didn't like Warhammer or Darkfall maybe I should print a T-shirt of each and wear?
Learn to read.
I was talking about anti-gaming company t-shirts. I have never seen that happen before. Show me a picture of a t-shirt that says "Blizzard Sucks!" or "Mythic is Shit!". Those kinds of shirts don't exist.
Funcom treated it customers like crap. Now they are paying the price. Maybe someday part of the community forgives them but most of players will never buy another Funcom product again. And who can really blame them?
I have to be honest, because of the negative reviews, (mostly from forums, not official reviews) I stayed away from AoC like the plague. Two weeks ago I decided to finally give it a try, so I downloaded the trial, took a character up to level 20... and enjoyed every minute of it.
I've played from launch SWG, PlanetSide, Tabula Rasa and (for a few days, Vanguard). None of them, in my opinion, met the pre-launch hype that the myriad marketing teams touted.
Anyway, I have since upgraded my subscription and can honestly say that I'm enjoying every minute of the time spent in AoC. --- With the caveat that I don't understand why there is a level 40 restriction to horses/mounts. Some of the time spent between quest goals can get a bit tedious, but nowhere near as bad as the quests in SWG.
Just my opinion here, but so far, AoC has been (at least as long as I've been playing, admittedly, *not* long) a blast, I haven't seen any glaring bugs aside from an occasional graphic glitch.
To anyone who is waiting to try it, I'd recommend downloading the trial and giving it a shot.
I posted the following elsewhere, I think this mini-review can sum up why I left, enjoy...:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/233505/Why-I-gave-up-on-AoC.html
First ... No game is perfect. And yessiree, Funcom went to market with AOC too early. Fair criticism and bad press and lost subscriptions are the penalties they've paid.
But this thread really seems to be about two communities: a) a Player Community and b) a Whiner Community.
a) The Player Community consists of a bunch of people who do have concerns, but who feel that the irritating or disappointing stuff in their game is far outweighed by the unique and entertaining stuff. We are not all deluded nor believe that the game is perfect: but we like it. It's worth the $15.00 a month. For me, it's very interesting to see how Funcom is responding to player input. Watching the game evolve is part of the entertainment.
b) The Whiner Community, if these forums are to be regarded as a sample of their characteristics, are people who who feel angry and spiteful. They're nit-picking about other players' time on forums and suggesting that players spending anything less than 24-7 in the MMORP-Game is an indicator of some deficit in the game.
I'm not DEFENDING AOC or the people like me who enjoy it (wonderfully imperfect as it is). I'm ATTACKING the silly whiners! Get over it ... go play WOW, WAR, or LOTRO; re-try AOC for free (they've all got good features); or just move on to another topic to grumble about.
The world economy is in the crapper thanks to America's former President Bush and his knuckle-headed administration's failure to make Wall Street and the banking system good corporate citizens. It's not Funcom's (or Blizzard's or Mythic's or Turbine's) fault that they have to pay their employees in Norway, who are working to make dedicated long-term customers happy. Why wouldn't they want their game to be successful in the long-term?
It's like this: the AOC player community says, "Hey, we see the glass as half-full! ... We sipped from it; and ya know, we dig it. We see the potential. Like good Scotch, it'll ripen with the passage of time."
However, the Whiner community ... well they just belly-ache, "WE sipped from that glass, you know and WE didn't like it ; and WE don't want anyone else to sip. WE hate that glass! Every time WE even see someone liking it , WE wanna just break the glass, so nobody else can form or hold a different opinion for themselves! ... And then when those people inevitably get irked by us and finally do express their view, WE pounce on them 'cause THEY'RE the UN-reasonable ones. WE label them as defensive: because that vindicates OUR hatred for the bloody glass! Nya-Nya Nya-Nya Nyaaah!"
PS ... This took me 20 minutes to write: that's 20 minutes out of 1000s of hours of game-play time. Is .0015% of my online time a reasonable amount to unload some exasperation? ... Yup!
IB
And the t-shirt example made me lol, people have been printing t-shirts against things they dislike for years, decades actually. People have used t-shirts to show other what they feel, and for someone to make a t-shirt with the text Failcom on is truly not a big thing. If you think so then you need a realitycheck. I can easy go make my own t-shirts tomorrow if I want too, it's not hard at all and it doesn't cost more then a regular t-shirt. Heck since I didn't like Warhammer or Darkfall maybe I should print a T-shirt of each and wear?
Learn to read.
I was talking about anti-gaming company t-shirts. I have never seen that happen before. Show me a picture of a t-shirt that says "Blizzard Sucks!" or "Mythic is Shit!". Those kinds of shirts don't exist.
Funcom treated it customers like crap. Now they are paying the price. Maybe someday part of the community forgives them but most of players will never buy another Funcom product again. And who can really blame them?
I love how you keep avoiding the facts. I don't need to learn to read. You were a interesting troll amongst many of the trolls here, and I'll look for the proof if you manage to find me that link about funcom employee being busted on DF or whatever forum that was
And to make it even more clear I used the t-shirt example as a general one, since people print the t-shirst based on the same reasons. Making t-shirts because some dislike a game isn't new and you are naive if you think no one has ever done it before.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Great. Another new poster with 2 posts, asking people to try out AoC. You might try to make it less obvious "Kinjiru".
The number of extremely low post count posters that pop in to defend a game is sure amazing.....
Lolz... you're refferencing posts counts. Hil-hairy-ass. You didn't happen to notice some thread STARTER's posts counts in the forums here, didja?
I love how you keep avoiding the facts. I don't need to learn to read. You were a interesting troll amongst many of the trolls here, and I'll look for the proof if you manage to find me that link about funcom employee being busted on DF or whatever forum that was
And to make it even more clear I used the t-shirt example as a general one, since people print the t-shirst based on the same reasons. Making t-shirts because some dislike a game isn't new and you are naive if you think no one has ever done it before.
Ha! That is my point! They didn't do a "Age of Conan sucks!" t-shirt. They made a "FAILCOM" t-shirt. They didn't hate the game, well they DID but not as much as the COMPANY that made the game. Funcom.
Please show me one example when this has been done before. Can't find one? I thought so.
But this is not about a t-shirt. What I was trying to say is that people must hate Funcom with PASSION to waste their time and money to make Failcom t-shirts. And with so much Anti-Funcom feelings in MMO community it might be impossible for AoC to survive even if they made the game fun and fixed all the bugs.
It's a good thing they did already. At least for around 100K people that weknow about, right?
It's a good thing they did already. At least for around 100K people that weknow about, right?
Well, GiveMePvP and most of the haters here haven't played the game since summer last year. So it doesn't suprised me they don't know.
Well i don't think that "Avery-ism" holds water like it used to, you have noticed the Free Trial, No?
Well i don't think that "Avery-ism" holds water like it used to, you have noticed the Free Trial, No?
Yes I have noticed the free trial. I have also noticed that INGAME.
Cheers
It's a good thing they did already. At least for around 100K people that weknow about, right?
Well, GiveMePvP and most of the haters here haven't played the game since summer last year. So it doesn't suprised me they don't know.
Sorry to break your nice little conspiracy theory but I was online last week.
What happened to that previous conspiracy theory you made up? You know the one about how I'm actually 2 different people? I liked that one better.
Let me know how the investigation is going, ok?
It's a good thing they did already. At least for around 100K people that weknow about, right?
Well, GiveMePvP and most of the haters here haven't played the game since summer last year. So it doesn't suprised me they don't know.
Sorry to break your nice little conspiracy theory but I was online last week.
What happened to that previous conspiracy theory you made up? You know the one about how I'm actually 2 different people? I liked that one better.
Let me know how the investigation is going, ok?
if you dont know what the word "conspiracy" means then just dont use it, it makes you look even more stupid
MMOs currently playing: -
About to play: Lord of the Rings Online
Played: Anarchy Online (alltime favorite) and lots of f2p titles (honorable mentions: 9Dragons, Martial Heroes, Dekaron, Atlantica Online)
if you dont know what the word "conspiracy" means then just dont use it, it makes you look even more stupid
You know that really hurt my feelings?
Sure you were.
I love how you keep avoiding the facts. I don't need to learn to read. You were a interesting troll amongst many of the trolls here, and I'll look for the proof if you manage to find me that link about funcom employee being busted on DF or whatever forum that was
And to make it even more clear I used the t-shirt example as a general one, since people print the t-shirst based on the same reasons. Making t-shirts because some dislike a game isn't new and you are naive if you think no one has ever done it before.
Ha! That is my point! They didn't do a "Age of Conan sucks!" t-shirt. They made a "FAILCOM" t-shirt. They didn't hate the game, well they DID but not as much as the COMPANY that made the game. Funcom.
Please show me one example when this has been done before. Can't find one? I thought so.
But this is not about a t-shirt. What I was trying to say is that people must hate Funcom with PASSION to waste their time and money to make Failcom t-shirts. And with so much Anti-Funcom feelings in MMO community it might be impossible for AoC to survive even if they made the game fun and fixed all the bugs.
I repeat I will look after a picture when you can find the link to proof that funcom employee got busted for writing bad things about other games. In another thread you claimed this but you didn't bother finding the evidence for it, so I'll do the same to you. You can act all smart ass on me and say "I thought so", but why should I bother looking for it, when you don't bother backing up your statements in other threads?
It isn't about hating the company enough to make a t-shirt about it, of courseit helps to dislike the company, hell I have seen t-shirts sayin AMD sucks, Intel rules! Does that mean the guy who made it hate AMD enough to make a t-shirt of it? Or how about Linux geeks making t-shirts that says windows is a pile of shite? Do they hate Microsoft that much or did they make the t-shirt for the fun of it. Again you see thing as if there is only black or white, but you don't have to hate Funcom with a passion to actually make a t-shirt, a t-shirt you can order in 5 minutes time. It isn't time consuming and it isn't expensive. The guys who made the t-shirts wore them at some exhibition where Funcom was. I have seen the pictures of it and I did lol over the fact that funcom staff didn't notice it right away. All you need to do it is to have the idea, see the use for it and order it. The guys who made the failcom t-shirts did make them for a specific reason. and that was to visit the funcom stand and the exhibition. I seriously doubt they wore the T-shirts out in the public and showed them off much other then this exhibition. Unless of course you are refering to another incident with the Failcom t-shirts that have been somewhat known around the internet.
The hatred towards funcom is NOTHING against the hate that was towards SOE and their changes to SWG with first the CU and then the NGE. It's clear that you weren't around to experience this, so trust me on this. I was one of the haters, and trust me on another fact the only SOE product I have touched after SWG was planetside. The 3 accounts I had at SOE back in the days are all perma banned for life, I even got a mail saying that they wouldn't have me as a customer anymore, due to my actions on their forums. That's how deep that hatred went for me. I spent what 6 months intensly hating the company for what they did, they screwed over the perfect game and many many with me had the same feeling. Heck if I mention SOE to those I played with back then most of them just laughs and say they never will consider a new product from them unless it proves to be really really good. The hate we have seen to Funcom is at best 5/10 on a scale up to 10. The hatred that was shown towards SOE is 9/10, SOE and the way they handled SWG have been used as a prime example on how to screw over your entire customer base. Funcom hasn't quite reached that point yet. The thing I learnt from that experience however after these 6 months of intense hatred was over is that it is ridiculos to hate a company to those extents, because it doesn't help. The fun thing is that there is till people who hate SOE with a proper passion for what they did back there and they rather see Smedley six feet under for what he did to the game. And that is a scary thought...
Will Funcom survive with the failure that AoC proved to be? I'm pretty sure they will, Funcom hasn't just made MMO's they also have made some games that have been seen as some of the best within their genre, praised by the press worldwide. The longest journey and dreamfall are 2 titles that have been loved by thousands. Sure Funcom have been hurt by the hype that was created around launch and the fact investors lost money, but as long as they make enough money to operate it will take a few years and to recover to where they once was. If however they don't manage to make money at all , like any company that doesn't make money they will perish.
Funcom's next project is interesting because it can in a large degree make them very successful if they manage to pull it off properly, as long as it isn't released too early or forced out like AoC was they have a decent chance of making something different. The biggest problem with AoC was that it was launched atleast 6 months too early, it could have used a year in developement, you might ask why a year more they already worked 5 years on it? Thing is that indeed AoC was being worked on for 5 years, but the same model was never worked on for 5 years. According to people who worked for funcom, the game was changed as much as a couple of times each year, and these wasn't small changes either, it meant rewriting large parts of the code. That is why it took 5 years to make AoC. I do hope that Funcom have learnt from the problems with AoC and put all possible effort into making TSW a solid game. Because if that game succeeds that will be enough to get them back on top again. The good thing with Funcom is that you will see them doing other things then the standard MMO way, and that is what the MMO community need, we need developers that aren't afraid to think outside the box. Instead of copying WoW just because it is the biggest MMO success in EU and US they actually tries to do things a bit differently. It's risky because majority of MMO players today are used to WoW, most people have played it or seen the effect it have had on the MMO's that have been launched. many people expect the next MMO to be similar to WoW, thank god there is developers still who dares to try and make something new.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Now THAT is a wall-of-text ladies and gentlemen! Wow.. how long did it take you to write that and why didn't you spend that time in Hyboria?
I only read the first paragraph. You wanted proof about that incident where Funcom employee was bashing Darkfall on official DF forums and got caught when forum mods traced his IP to Funcom HQ in Oslo. Well.. go to official Darkfall forums and ask ANYBODY. I'm sure they will give you the link. It has screenshots and everything.
Seeing that you still fail to manage to dig up proofs of things I'll leave you be. you were a fun troll as long as it lasted tho.
Playing: Battlefield - Bad company (Xbox360) Arma2, DFO (PC)
On my radar: TSW, MO
MMO's played: SWG (pre cu/cu), WoW, AoC, WAR, DFO, Planetside
MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Seeing that you still fail to manage to dig up proofs of things I'll leave you be. you were a fun troll as long as it lasted tho.
If you want proof so bad, why not go find it? I told you were it is. Or could it be that you don't care about the proof and only want to troll this thread?
I really couldn't care less if you believe me or not so I'm not doing the dirty work for you. I have already seen that thread and the screenshots. It clearly showed someone inside Funcom doing some viral marketing.