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RPing in a FP
Sabradin
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Just a nitpick that should have (and probably has) been covered by now.
I don't roleplay, but this is mmoRPg.com and I'm curious how the roleplayers will deal with first person. I imagine first person is difficult to roleplay, as I also imagine third person is much easier.
I suppose you could say for RL roleplaying you are first person and so it should work out; still for a video game I think third person is better.
Just when you think you have all the answers, I change the questions.
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So I take it you think Oblivion isn't a RPg?
I'm a roleplayer and I think FP is better. RPing is acting as your character. What better way to act as your character than to see things through his or her eyes?
I'd be curious to know what it is about third person that makes you feel it's easier to RP. Is it the ability to visualize your character from a distance? Seeing the crazy equipment characters wear in some games makes me feel a little silly trying to RP. This topic is a very subjective one, and it's probably just a matter of what people are used to and comfortable with. To me, the first person view has the potential to feel a bit more immersive from an RP perspective, because you're not so detached from your character. You're literally looking through his eyes - not looking down on him from some ivory tower or out at him from a distance.
Remember that although they're locking the game in 1st person, there's nothing to say that there won't be a small avatar on screen or in the invent screen etc that can show your actions. I'm assuming these are what you liked about seeing your character in 3rd person. I know it's not the same, but at least then you'd get an idea of your actions.
Well, if you understand the concept/viewpoint that your way isn't the only way, then you've answered your own question for the most part. I'd say that there were a ton of RPers out there that, over the years, found the third person view less conducive to RP and zoomed into FP if they could, made do if they couldn't.
Unless your taking on the role (acting) of an omnipotent god, you don't have complete awareness of every creature/being/entity around you for hundreds of yards. Visually, just those in front (if they aren't hidden) and then you have the inputs of your other senses, primarily hearing and smell.
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
From what i've seen, the RP'ers love the fact that its going to be FPV. "More immersive" they say.
But yeah, there's probably a great deal of RP'ers who dont like it. But i dont see why third person view would make RP'ing easier or better? Should be the other way around?
FP is far more condusive to the immersive environment Mortal is trying to provide. Being able to sit in heaven watching yourself and all those around completely destroys any semblance of actually being your character.
6 posts and they are all missed his question.
I'm not an RP type person, but I can understand what he his saying. I think the difference in opinion between the previous 6 posts and the OP is that the OP isn't looking for realism, but more with increased interaction to stimulate RPing...........
Thats not the best way to put it, but maybe its better to look at it as that TPV is maybe easier to create your story than FPV, and the OP is wondering how players (seasoned FPV veterns) cope with the downfalls (lack of awareness) that FPV has.
I think the OP is getting at actual roleplaying with a group of friends, and not the simple " I'm log on and be a bad guy " kind.
I don't see that first person or third should matter anything to a roleplayer, it is not harder to RP if you dont see yourself even though some emotes might be less used.
Most of us have at least tried pen and paper RPGs and there you don't see anything at all
I think the OP is getting at more of RPing not within the game as an " orc killing humans ", but more of creating your own little impromptu storyline that has nothing to do with the MO universe, but your own little universe.
Ex.
Say there is a quest that asks you escort the old lady between towns and you are given a carriage to take her. Now the RP I think the OP is getting at is splitting up your group of 9 people and doing your own little thing with the quest.
I dunno thats the best I can explain it.........and until the OP provides a little more description about what he/she means we will never know.
Actually, it's quite simple. Some of you seem to be trying to make excuses for the OP.
How would 3rd person be any easier? For a roleplayer, you are roleplaying someone. Not a floating camera 50 yards behind you in the sky. You see from your eyes, your field of vision. You can't see behind you, hear? Yes. If on a battlefield with 20 people, you cannot see every action of every person like you can in 3rd person. It should and hopefully will be a lot more immersive and realistic in 1st person. I mean, how can you get stabbed in the back if you already know there is someone sneaking up on you with the eyes in the back of your head? And this isn't even just for fighting. It can apply to just about anything you do. You should have to actually look around a corner to find out what is there rather than panning your camera to the side... we shouldn't have floating eyes that can detach from our character.
The OP should have made the title "3rd person is better than 1st person because..."
It just seems to be a beat around the bush kind of way to get his/her opinion out there. And BTW, wow is not a MMORPG. It's simply a MMOG. People throw RPG around and most of them don't even really know what it means to roleplay. So just because it's a game on this site doesn't mean that it is a RPG.
I see some people politely disagreeing and giving their opinion, not forcing it on others. Then there are those who are unpolite, like the above poster, and force his opinions on others.
I'll have you know that the creator of DnD, RIP, RPed in 3rd person in PnP games. It's sort of like narrarating your way through a game. It's not the same as RPing in first person, as if you are that class, instead it's like your the writer of the story and these are your characters.
So with that perspective, people could say that 3rd person view is better for their kind of RP. I hope you've learned something from this. Not everyone has the same opinion, nor needs to. It helps to see things from anothers perspective before jumping to conclusions, making assumptions, or giving knee-jerk reactions.
It wont make any difference if the game is first person or third person. What passes for roleplaying in an online game basicly boils down to people typing stuff into the chat channel such as descriptions or emotes. If there is a chat channel in Mortal Online then they will still be able to do this. The only difference is that they wont be able to see their own character carrying out the emotes......but then who cares? You cant see yourself do this in real life either.....unless you stand in front of a mirror.
RP is all about becomign one with your charecter.
Youc an RP in a 2D game or in a FPS.
I personally love the possibilities FPV offers to RPers.
I think it's better to leave it to the OP as to whether or not we addressed his question. Best to do that than to come off looking like a pompous, arrogant know-it-all. That and its funny that your perception of what the OP is asking in your third paragraph with respect to awareness is a point I addressed previously...yet I "missed his question"...
"Many nights, my friend... Many nights I've put a blade to your throat while you were sleeping. Glad I never killed you, Steve. You're alright..."
Chavez y Chavez
I think it's better to leave it to the OP as to whether or not we addressed his question. Best to do that than to come off looking like a pompous, arrogant know-it-all. That and its funny that your perception of what the OP is asking in your third paragraph with respect to awareness is a point I addressed previously...yet I "missed his question"...
What? Not project our own thoughts onto others without any valid reason to believe that they hold them as well? Surely you must be dreaming, Khal. That would never happen in these forums!
Most posts intended to interpret and explain what someone else meant just wind up imo not making any sense at all.
That is what I was trying to explain.
I know most the replies were harsh, but I think that is because the OP just hasn't given enough information about what they mean. I don't know if this is the kind of RPing that the OP meant, but I think it is, since I can't POV making a difference when RPing as a character in the actual game setting.
I have no idea if this is common or not, but I have run into people several times before that like to do this kind of role playing. All of those games had TPV and it was relatively easily to do, and I could see FPV making it more difficult to achieve coordination with others.
Quote in my post where I was derrogatory and unpolite to the OP. Quote where I seemed to force someone into agreeing with me. Want to know why you can't? I'll tell you a secret, ready? It's because I didn't. Shocker!
Wonderful, so someone, somewhere roleplayed in the 3rd person.. and I'm sure there was a good reason for it, at some point. So now Third person is more logical and immersive than 1st? Sorry, I look at facts. If you are roleplaying a character, which you will be in Mortal Online.. then you are roleplaying THAT character. Not a camera 50 yards behind you, watching every movement for miles. BTW, DnD dungeon masters often talk in 3rd person, since they are basically the god of their world and are what we call omnipresent and all-knowing. I simply disagreed and gave examples as to why I did. If someone is too sensitive and stubborn to take a step back and think about it, that's not my problem.
It doesn't make me look bad, it just makes you look silly for walking into a thread, bashing others.. all the while, contributing nothing to the conversation yourself. Thank you and have a nice day, this is usually why I post and don't come back to it. There are so many forum trolls that just love to randomly wander about trying to cause trouble. You don't like my views? Don't read my posts.
single player FPS games like cod4 feel more like playing a role than 3rd person rpg's. don't take the terms litterally or your just a ubernoob. rpg means genre conventions like levels and stats wiki it, rpg's have nothing nessarily to to with roleplayers.
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I actually have no preference for RP reasons, but I do remember that the best RP experiences, and most immersive, i had were in an isometric 3rd person MMO. (Not UO
). I do know though that playing FPS games I never feel very immersed or like I'm actually that character.
RPG is Role-Playing Game. We know this. It does not mean stats. It is general attached to a game that offers a sense of progression. Some of the most famous single player RPG's involved multiple paths, being able to build your character in a way you seemed fit, the ability to change the world in which you are playing in by your actions. There are RPG elements to World of Warcraft, however that does not make it a RPG. Lord of the Rings Online is far closer, since there is deep gameplay and storyline features, you can change things, you are actually in a world that is designed for playing roles. Just because CoD4 has rank and character progression does not make it a RPG. It simply has RPG elements. You do not play a role. You kill or be killed and with enough kills, you may give yourself attributes (ie dropping grenades when you die).
You can wiki me to death, it just goes to show that the vast majority has no idea what RPG even means. Just think about it for a minute. That's all I can tell you.
RPG is Role-Playing Game. We know this. It does not mean stats. It is general attached to a game that offers a sense of progression. Some of the most famous single player RPG's involved multiple paths, being able to build your character in a way you seemed fit, the ability to change the world in which you are playing in by your actions. There are RPG elements to World of Warcraft, however that does not make it a RPG. Lord of the Rings Online is far closer, since there is deep gameplay and storyline features, you can change things, you are actually in a world that is designed for playing roles. Just because CoD4 has rank and character progression does not make it a RPG. It simply has RPG elements. You do not play a role. You kill or be killed and with enough kills, you may give yourself attributes (ie dropping grenades when you die).
You can wiki me to death, it just goes to show that the vast majority has no idea what RPG even means. Just think about it for a minute. That's all I can tell you.
I meant games like cod 4 feels more like I'm actually the person hence playing a role. but never mind looks like you've got your own definition of an rpg which is even entirely separate from everyone elses, so good luck with that.
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it seems perfectly fine to rp like that i like that there not falling to the whines and creating there own game more power to them .
RPG is Role-Playing Game. We know this. It does not mean stats. It is general attached to a game that offers a sense of progression. Some of the most famous single player RPG's involved multiple paths, being able to build your character in a way you seemed fit, the ability to change the world in which you are playing in by your actions. There are RPG elements to World of Warcraft, however that does not make it a RPG. Lord of the Rings Online is far closer, since there is deep gameplay and storyline features, you can change things, you are actually in a world that is designed for playing roles. Just because CoD4 has rank and character progression does not make it a RPG. It simply has RPG elements. You do not play a role. You kill or be killed and with enough kills, you may give yourself attributes (ie dropping grenades when you die).
You can wiki me to death, it just goes to show that the vast majority has no idea what RPG even means. Just think about it for a minute. That's all I can tell you.
I meant games like cod 4 feels more like I'm actually the person hence playing a role. but never mind looks like you've got your own definition of an rpg which is even entirely separate from everyone elses, so good luck with that.
I have much luck with it. I understand, the first person view to you seems more like you are playing as that character, rather than watching another one from behind. I agree.
I'm not going to argue with you. It's not worth it. I've come to understand how most people are over the years and I just have to accept it.