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Anyone else getting pissed off every time Funcom mentions the expansion?
vikingclub
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It pisses me off every time I heard about AoC expansion coming 'soon'. Why on earth are they putting any resources in an expansion when the game is in such a bad shape?!
Why not postpone the expansion for a year or two and focus on the problems in hand, like DX10? Why not put all these expansion people working on DX10?
There are at least 20 more important aspects that needs more work than a freaking expansion. We want a working core game, not some new problems that an expansion is bound to bring.
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I haven't heard anything about the expansion in a long time from the devs EXCEPT when they are asked directly about it and their answer is always " we have a lot to fix before we even start talking about the expansion".
Because the expoansion is just as important as fixing the game. Funcom if they fixed the game first would be flamed to hell and back if they had postponed the expansion. People would have said they are stupid to not work on an expansion on the side while fixing the game etc. Whatever they do they can't win.
Putting all people working on expansion over to working on Dx10 will most likely not speed up things. The more people working with the same project the bigger the risk for issues. Unless you have one person leading the time who manages to have a 100% overview of everything they do and able to control everything they do. I have yet to see a company that manages that successfully without spending a lot of times extra to make sure everything works.
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Becasue they need money? And the only way they can get old people as well as new people back to their game is to release an expansion.
I know I'd return if the expansion was interesting enough.
Funcom have showed us some teasers in forms of drawings etc, but it isn't often Funcom talks about the expansion unless asked about it first.
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MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
Newsflash, Dx10 went live weeks ago. They are also working out the myriad of other bugs I hear. Seems to me, the only ones talking about the expansion, are people looking to continue blaming Funcom for something. The devs certainly aren't talking about it, or haven't since the initial announcment almost a year ago.
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Dx10 is live yes.... BUT it is still a test version and it still need loads of optimising before working properly. :P
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They announced an expansion a year ago? When the game itself launched?
Yeah, the old director announced last summer that they were already working on an expansion, which got a lot of people pissed because the game was/is in very bad shape. He since left the company and they stopped talking about the expansion.
A few months after launch, yes. I think they had in mind to show that they were still dedicated to the game after such a bad launch.
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If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
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MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
'...the team working on the expansion wasn't big.'
My point is this: why have a team working on it in the first place?! Even a team of 1 person is too big.
Lets assume they have 10-15 guys working on the expansion. These 10-15 have spent A YEAR working on the expansion. Do you have any idea how many man hours that is? All that time could have been used to making AoC a better game or maybe helping do DX10.
They should first fix what is broken (there's a lot of broken stuff) and THEN concentrate on expansions. Ask any player out there. Everyone wants better game core, not some lame expansion.
If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
'...the team working on the expansion wasn't big.'
My point is this: why have a team working on it in the first place?! Even a team of 1 person is too big.
Lets assume they have 10-15 guys working on the expansion. These 10-15 have spent A YEAR working on the expansion. Do you have any idea how many man hours that is? All that time could have been used to making AoC a better game or maybe helping do DX10.
They should first fix what is broken (there's a lot of broken stuff) and THEN concentrate on expansions. Ask any player out there. Everyone wants better game core, not some lame expansion.
Let's assume none of us actually know the whole fact about how big/how many man hours have been put into the expansion. Thing is we can sit here and discuss it but none of us know's how muchwork have been put into it. What funcom said after launch regarding the expansion pack was that the people no longer required to work on the game would be moved to the expansion pack simply because it wouldn't be effective to put them into fixing the game. You can't just put 10-15 people extra into fixing a problem and expect it is solved faster. The only way that is possible is if you have a product manager that are able to have 100% control on all changes that are being done, and with the size of AoC andf the million of codes etc I doubt that would be possible.
I do have a pretty good idea on the amount of man hours 10.15 people would be. My days at work is pretty much to make sure the production planning runs smooth and that we are able to send out the goods we have orders for.
Once a product launch is over, most companies will find themself to have more employee's then the product need, hence moving them to new products is the way to go, Yes there might be some problems, but putting all people into fixing say Dx10 will not speed it up. However you will increase the risks of problems as 10 different developers seldoms thinks exactly the same. From a businiess point of view putting people on a expansion pack makes perfect sense. From a player's point of view given the issues with the game it doesn't make sense at all. I do see this, but then again given the type of work I do I fully understand why they did the things they did. The expansion pack is important to funcom and the players, once it get's released it will generate some more income, and at the same time they are working on making the game work too. And if they had spent a hyear finishing the game, and then good 2 years making an expansion pack I bet people would be crying out loud and telling Funcom how stupid they were for not starting the work on the expansion pack earlier. The players who are playing now will not stay forever unless new content comes into game, and the expansion pack is exactly this.
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MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
'...the team working on the expansion wasn't big.'
My point is this: why have a team working on it in the first place?! Even a team of 1 person is too big.
Lets assume they have 10-15 guys working on the expansion. These 10-15 have spent A YEAR working on the expansion. Do you have any idea how many man hours that is? All that time could have been used to making AoC a better game or maybe helping do DX10.
They should first fix what is broken (there's a lot of broken stuff) and THEN concentrate on expansions. Ask any player out there. Everyone wants better game core, not some lame expansion.
Let's assume none of us actually know the whole fact about how big/how many man hours have been put into the expansion. Thing is we can sit here and discuss it but none of us know's how muchwork have been put into it. What funcom said after launch regarding the expansion pack was that the people no longer required to work on the game would be moved to the expansion pack simply because it wouldn't be effective to put them into fixing the game. You can't just put 10-15 people extra into fixing a problem and expect it is solved faster. The only way that is possible is if you have a product manager that are able to have 100% control on all changes that are being done, and with the size of AoC andf the million of codes etc I doubt that would be possible.
So you are saying that 10-15 guys working on DX10 for A YEAR wouldn't help at all? Are you on crack?
Sure you need a lot of product and project management but um.. that's what being a professional is all about! If Funcom cannot handle it, then they are in a wrong line of business.
This is a very simple equation of resource allocation. You put more people working on a problem and it gets done faster. This is a fact. Why are we even arguing about this? And why you need to defend Funcom on this thing with your life? Are you that DX10 project/product manager who failed, lol?
If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
'...the team working on the expansion wasn't big.'
My point is this: why have a team working on it in the first place?! Even a team of 1 person is too big.
Lets assume they have 10-15 guys working on the expansion. These 10-15 have spent A YEAR working on the expansion. Do you have any idea how many man hours that is? All that time could have been used to making AoC a better game or maybe helping do DX10.
They should first fix what is broken (there's a lot of broken stuff) and THEN concentrate on expansions. Ask any player out there. Everyone wants better game core, not some lame expansion.
Let's assume none of us actually know the whole fact about how big/how many man hours have been put into the expansion. Thing is we can sit here and discuss it but none of us know's how muchwork have been put into it. What funcom said after launch regarding the expansion pack was that the people no longer required to work on the game would be moved to the expansion pack simply because it wouldn't be effective to put them into fixing the game. You can't just put 10-15 people extra into fixing a problem and expect it is solved faster. The only way that is possible is if you have a product manager that are able to have 100% control on all changes that are being done, and with the size of AoC andf the million of codes etc I doubt that would be possible.
So you are saying that 10-15 guys working on DX10 for A YEAR wouldn't help at all? Are you on crack?
Sure you need a lot of product and project management but um.. that's what being a professional is all about! If Funcom cannot handle it, then they are in a wrong line of business.
This is a very simple equation of resource allocation. You put more people working on a problem and it gets done faster. This is a fact. Why are we even arguing about this? And why you need to defend Funcom on this thing with your life? Are you that DX10 project/product manager who failed, lol?
Now you remind me too much of givemepvp that it is a bit scary.
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MMO's that I have tested: Lotro, L2, Aion, Ryzom
That has been the straight forward approach they have been taking for the past 6 months. Now ask yourself why would someone possibly see anything different and come to that conclusion somehow?
I would also like to know where in the past year the word "SOON" has been used in any interview where the interviewer asks about the expansion.
What possible reason could there be to post this from this angle. Things don't add up at first, then you think about it a bit more and it hits you like an revelation.
If I remember correctly Erling mentioned it last year but until now I have never hear or see FC talking of the expansion unless reporters ask them a direct question about it.So OP I don`t see the use of another rant thread about the expansion.
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No need to get angry when FC mentions an expansion, there will be plenty of time for that when it's launched as broken as their last 5 xpacs were.
If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
'...the team working on the expansion wasn't big.'
My point is this: why have a team working on it in the first place?! Even a team of 1 person is too big.
Lets assume they have 10-15 guys working on the expansion. These 10-15 have spent A YEAR working on the expansion. Do you have any idea how many man hours that is? All that time could have been used to making AoC a better game or maybe helping do DX10.
They should first fix what is broken (there's a lot of broken stuff) and THEN concentrate on expansions. Ask any player out there. Everyone wants better game core, not some lame expansion.
I still see no purpose for this rant/whine post.Saying that they are wasting time instead of making AOC a better game proves that you are not playing the game at the moment.
Take a look at all the things that have been fixed as from November 2008 to now
forums-eu.ageofconan.com/forumdisplay.php
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No. AoC really needs that expansion.
They fixed almost all the buggs in the game, altough sieging and RAIDing still ned work, AoCs problem now is not buggs. It sure isnt Dx 10 either, tha game already looks good and Dx 10 have already been tweaked for months on the testserver.
AoCs problem is content, the game has way to little to do and if you make an alt you have to do the same quests again with the possinle exception of lvl 20-35. The dungeons are mostly fun but way to few also and past lvl 70 it just becomes a huge grind.
The game needs at least one expansion to have enough things for people to do.
Besides, do you really think it is the same people who works on an expansion? The bugg fixers and people who make content are different people and it would not be a good idea to fire the content people to hire more programmers.
I have quited the game myself and wont return until the expansion is out, sieging and RAIDing isn't enough to keep me going and leveling up alts is just boring until they release enough content to level up 3 chars without grinding a lot.
Do people actually think that every person who works for a game studio is a programmer or coder? Long before it even hits those guys you've got content writers, artists, and other things like music that can be getting done. Those folks dont have much to do with fixes, or optimizing as is, they are there doing content, and that certainly qualifies as working on an expansion.
Look, I have no idea how Funcom delegates how their staff work, and who does what, and when, but I'd bet that they had more ideas for content than they could get into release, and I'd also wager that they'd planned on using some of that stuff down the road in future expansions.
If AoC's 1st xpac, is anything like their last 5 for their other MMO, you'll see almost no new art or music, it will all be recycled from the live game. Don't expect much more than new zones to play in and a few additional (untested) game mechanics.
and which ones were those....
If I remember correct there was an interview where Erling said they were already working on a expansion. Apparantly the expansion was started working on while the game was reaching the final stages before launch. Funcom did say that the team working on the expansion wasn't big. And the expansion was in the planning phase where they were discussing what they would like to have in it.
'...the team working on the expansion wasn't big.'
My point is this: why have a team working on it in the first place?! Even a team of 1 person is too big.
Lets assume they have 10-15 guys working on the expansion. These 10-15 have spent A YEAR working on the expansion. Do you have any idea how many man hours that is? All that time could have been used to making AoC a better game or maybe helping do DX10.
They should first fix what is broken (there's a lot of broken stuff) and THEN concentrate on expansions. Ask any player out there. Everyone wants better game core, not some lame expansion.
Let's assume none of us actually know the whole fact about how big/how many man hours have been put into the expansion. Thing is we can sit here and discuss it but none of us know's how muchwork have been put into it. What funcom said after launch regarding the expansion pack was that the people no longer required to work on the game would be moved to the expansion pack simply because it wouldn't be effective to put them into fixing the game. You can't just put 10-15 people extra into fixing a problem and expect it is solved faster. The only way that is possible is if you have a product manager that are able to have 100% control on all changes that are being done, and with the size of AoC andf the million of codes etc I doubt that would be possible.
So you are saying that 10-15 guys working on DX10 for A YEAR wouldn't help at all? Are you on crack?
Sure you need a lot of product and project management but um.. that's what being a professional is all about! If Funcom cannot handle it, then they are in a wrong line of business.
This is a very simple equation of resource allocation. You put more people working on a problem and it gets done faster. This is a fact. Why are we even arguing about this? And why you need to defend Funcom on this thing with your life? Are you that DX10 project/product manager who failed, lol?
Lets make the cleaning lady help for dx10 as well
. I have news for you,
this is NOT a fact. There is a limit after which adding more ppl will make things worse. Will make the team needing more ppl to coordianate and more ppl to coordiante the coordinators.You just can't understand it.
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If AoC's 1st xpac, is anything like their last 5 for their other MMO, you'll see almost no new art or music, it will all be recycled from the live game. Don't expect much more than new zones to play in and a few additional (untested) game mechanics.
Point remains the same, there are all kinds of work that can get done, it isnt all just coders and programmers, and right now, unless you are working for Funcom, you really dont know what has, or has not been done...
and which ones were those....
Notum Wars
Shadowlands
Alien Invasion
Lost Eden
Legacy of Xan
I'd assume that is what he means, but hey, a game that has been in biz since '01, and has 5 expansions may not be perfect, but like it or not, has stood the test of time, and does have a fanbase.