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What Eve Really Needs
jwflowersii
Member Posts: 7
Eve is a fantastic game with amazing depth and limitless possibilities. However, everytime I logon I feel as if I missing total immersion. I always feel a little detached from this being reality. What could Eve do to rectify this? I want to pilot my ship from the cockpit. ( I know the backstory fellas) I want to have to place my ship into autopilot mode and walk through to the mining laser station and have to use that to mine ore. If I have a buddy on my ship, I want to be able for him to pilot while I mine or vice versa. I want my ship to be something more intimate and not just an avatar. I want to be able to go into the cargo bay and see my drones flying in and out with loads of ore. I don't want to be stuck in my pod any more.
That is all!
John
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what WoW really needs is more spaceships.
ding ding we have a winner
*sigh* that time of the month again already is it ? Always gotta be someone with this wonderful idea that no one else has ever thought about and just has to share it with the Eve community.
ding ding we have a winner
lol
*sigh* that time of the month again already is it ? Always gotta be someone with this wonderful idea that no one else has ever thought about and just has to share it with the Eve community.
Just thought I have a discussion about it to see what people think or if they feel the same way. Hmmm. Never thought it was an original idea, just wanted to see if there was any talk about it. Sorry to have offended you.
The reason your getting negative responces is because this is an extremely talked about subject as it is.
Many people have complained over the years there is no ship interiors, and many people have said they wish there was a way to have a friend on a ship too.
However a majority of the current EvE community doesn't want these things.
Well, we have the station ambulation project on the plate, but ship interiors is a banner normally carried by STO followers, and not often suggested on these forums.
We get bristley here because people are always suggesting what EVE 'should have' (character avatars, ship to ship combat, pve only servers etc) instead of focusing on what the game 'does have' right now that we have fun playing.
No game has the resources to cater to every players desire, and this sort of change would be too far from the original premise. There are many other areas to focus on that a project like this.
Better someone else design a game around this concept than to try and add it to EVE.
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I'm hardly offended by it. Just more annoying to see this topic coming up all the time since the game launched.
It's not that the majority of Eve players don't want these things. It's just that those things are just fluff, they don't make the game itself any better.
What would you do if you were walking from one section of the ship to the next and then you got jumped by pirates ? How would you get to your cokcpit fast enoughto save your ship ?
All that fancy drone stuff mentioned would just add to the lag that's already there. CCP has tried to reduce models and database calls, not increase them with silly things like seeing drones flying around inside your ship with ore.
Thanks, why would they want interiors. Eve is a social game right, I would love to fly with my friend in the same ship doing different things like navigation and mining or whatever.
Yes its just a different type of social that way, this way if they don't focus on small grouping things like being inside a ship with your pals you can focus on larger group activies... like fleets of ships destroying one another.
Yes you could technically have both in a game, but it takes focus off one thing and puts it on another really, its better to have one main idea and run with it.
Eve's is Large scale battles and large scale corporations and big picture stuff.
If not characters walking around ships, what about stations you have to jump to do certain tasks. I just think Eve is the best so far, but it can always be improved.
Walking on stations is scheduled for this winters expansion as of right now (could change any time). Player owned and run bars and shops along with corporate war rooms.
Of course Eve isn't perfect and could always use something to make it better but certain things are just so far down the list of priorities because they really don't add anything of real value to game play when there are a million other ideas that would add way more to the game.
Things such as
-a new and working bounty system
-planetary warfare (rts style)
-more mini professions or the current ones need more fleshing out
-more tech 3
-more ship classes
All of these would way more game play as opposed to walking from one work station to the next on board the ship. God people complain now they don't do anything but fly around and that's it. Now just imagine your ship with 3 or 4 other people on it. How bored would all those players be with nothing to do but let the pilot take them wherever. What heppens when the ship gets blown up ? 5 pods appear in space ?
The idea is great for atmosphere but is totally impractical when it comes to game play.
Sorry this is just my opnion. I would rather see real game design over fluff like walking on your ship. Oh look now I have to walk 5 minutes accross my ship to look at my scanner, joy.
As someone who has Exhumers V and all the mining crystals, I think I'm more qualified than most when I say that mining is the least interactive and most underdeveloped aspect of EvE, and it's no surprise to me that the OP feels the way he does if his EvE career at the moment is mining.
Trust me, if you get into something - anything - other than mining you will see that what you suggest really doesn't fit well with EvE. That said, character-based interaction is coming (eventually) in the form of Ambulation, a.k.a. Walking In Stations, which is 'meh'ed by half the community but the other half (including me) are really looking forward to it. I can see that part of the game eventually expanding to include ship interiors (we're supposed to have cabins that we can optionally load into our ships and fit out how we like, sort of like EvE's version of player housing. I don't count POS's personally for that) but I think it'll be a pretty low priority since I can't really see anything substantive ever coming of it, unlike, say, planetary interaction or mannable POS structures.
Mining needs a complete revamp, then need to get rid of the Right click>roid belt >Warp to menus and make belts need to be scanned once that goes down you should need to manually navigate belts and actually run a minigame to extract Ore.
Thats would be a good start.
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Yes, mining needs to be made more fun but I really doubt having your buddy sitting in your ship with you instead of in his own ship would make it any more fun. The whole system along with others like the bounty hunting system needs work far more urgently than your friend sitting on your ship monitoring the scanner.
pfft you know what eve needs?
to revert back to the chaos client
bring back dual mwd/ab, get rid of hyperways, get rid of pos's
pos's ruined eve the way it was originally intended to be and it's a shame pirating actually used to be a real profession in eve
CCP never intended for PoS's to be in the game ? Really ? How do you know this information ? Did someone hold a gun to their heads til they put in the POS's ?
Please continue your trolling.
well I do know this as I am an EVE alpha tester and played the game for 5 years till I was perma banned and still regularily talk to the devs so thank you very much
pos's we're an afterthought after daoc/wow keeps
Exodus killed EVE
What EVE Online really needs is Ship Visual Customization. If a MMO Dev Company came out with a Space MMO like EVE Online and allowed you to customize how the ship youll be flying looks it would be a huge success
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you barely see other peoples ships anyways whats the point?
Yup great alpha vet, so I am a beta vet. I guess you got a little up on me there but atleast I am not PERMA BANNED. Oooh you talk to the devs, does this make you smarter now ? Guess what ? I talked to them too and I used to be a valunteer helper. Does this mean anything ? Nope not a goddamn thing.
So the fact you may still talk to devs means nothing. You don't play the game anymore cause you are BANNED. Why was this perma ban ? Cheating perhaps or something else ?
PoS's were an afterthought. Well I guess everything that they put in after launch is an afterthought. I am aware DaoC had keeps but when did WoW ? Are you really trying to say that Eve ripped off WoWs pvp here ? Please don't be that stupid.
Exodus killed Eve ? Really how ? Player population has gone up and the game has gotten more and more advanced and better since. You just sound like a bitter old pirate at this point who did nothing but gank at gates and jump through before they brought in aggression timers. I'm also guessing you liked the old jumping system before aggression timers where you could be blown up on the other side of a gate jump before your screen has even loaded. I guess the aggression timers and 1 minute cloak after jumping are afterthoughts too right ? Did those things kill the game for you too ?
I guess we should just roll back to launch days when all we had were frigates, cruisers, indys and the allmighty solopwnboat battleships. Yup Eve sure was great back in those days, it's a shame CCP had to go and ruin the old game
Yup great alpha vet, so I am a beta vet. I guess you got a little up on me there but atleast I am not PERMA BANNED. Oooh you talk to the devs, does this make you smarter now ? Guess what ? I talked to them too and I used to be a valunteer helper. Does this mean anything ? Nope not a goddamn thing.
So the fact you may still talk to devs means nothing. You don't play the game anymore cause you are BANNED. Why was this perma ban ? Cheating perhaps or something else ?
PoS's were an afterthought. Well I guess everything that they put in after launch is an afterthought. I am aware DaoC had keeps but when did WoW ? Are you really trying to say that Eve ripped off WoWs pvp here ? Please don't be that stupid.
Exodus killed Eve ? Really how ? Player population has gone up and the game has gotten more and more advanced and better since. You just sound like a bitter old pirate at this point who did nothing but gank at gates and jump through before they brought in aggression timers. I'm also guessing you liked the old jumping system where you could be clown up on the other side of a gate jump before your screen has even loaded. I guess the aggression timers and 1 minute cloak after jumping are afterthoughts too right ? Did those things kills the game for you too ?
I was banned for trying to sell a gm corpse on ebay ^_^
you sound like a little carebear bitch...seriously eve sucks these days if you we're from beta and played before exodus you would know just how much better eve was back then...it may have been full of bugs but im not talking about how stable the game was....im talkming about how fun it was....you are forced to blob now and blob warfare is just pure gay
and yes I was a pirate....except I didn't gate camp
You really think that ? You really think that if Eve only had customizable ships then all of a sudden people would run to play Eve in droves ?
You might be right but I would wager that you are wrong. People who don't play Eve don't do it because they can't customize their ships or walk around on the ships or even stations. People who don't play the game just don't like it or just don't get it, either one is fine.
Besides how customizable are you talking about here ? Are you talking importing your own graphics ? Uploading to CCP to put in the game or how about maybe a ship that comes in 5 parts called oh say 'subsystems' and each part has 5 levels to it totaling 25 parts. Pick 1 piece from each of the 5 subsystems and put your ship together and it looks different depending upon the parts picked. Hell while were at it let's go nuts and for each of those subsystems you have a skill and as you level it the subsystem that skill eefects makes that subsection perform better.
How would this level of ship customization go over ?
Oh wait that's right. It's already in the game. Go spend some isk and get a tech 3 cruiser
Yup great alpha vet, so I am a beta vet. I guess you got a little up on me there but atleast I am not PERMA BANNED. Oooh you talk to the devs, does this make you smarter now ? Guess what ? I talked to them too and I used to be a valunteer helper. Does this mean anything ? Nope not a goddamn thing.
So the fact you may still talk to devs means nothing. You don't play the game anymore cause you are BANNED. Why was this perma ban ? Cheating perhaps or something else ?
PoS's were an afterthought. Well I guess everything that they put in after launch is an afterthought. I am aware DaoC had keeps but when did WoW ? Are you really trying to say that Eve ripped off WoWs pvp here ? Please don't be that stupid.
Exodus killed Eve ? Really how ? Player population has gone up and the game has gotten more and more advanced and better since. You just sound like a bitter old pirate at this point who did nothing but gank at gates and jump through before they brought in aggression timers. I'm also guessing you liked the old jumping system where you could be clown up on the other side of a gate jump before your screen has even loaded. I guess the aggression timers and 1 minute cloak after jumping are afterthoughts too right ? Did those things kills the game for you too ?
I was banned for trying to sell a gm corpse on ebay ^_^
you sound like a little carebear bitch...seriously eve sucks these days if you we're from beta and played before exodus you would know just how much better eve was back then...it may have been full of bugs but im not talking about how stable the game was....im talkming about how fun it was....you are forced to blob now and blob warfare is just pure gay
and yes I was a pirate....except I didn't gate camp
I just said you SOUNDED like a bitter old pirate, guess I hit a little close to home did I ? You can call me a carebear bitch all you want but sadly for you those things are simply not true. What space did I head for on day 1 of launch ? I went for 0.0 in my Rifter, Great Wildlands to be precise.What's my mining skill at ? Two. How many carebears do you know with a mining skill of 2 ? I have no problems with pirates, just whiny old bitter ones who think the game was better back in the old days and it's gone down hill since. Why this thought ? Simply because pirates lost their easy gank mechanics. How many pirates back in the day just sat on a gate with a Moa with low slots fully stacked with magnetic stabalizers because there was no stacking penalty ?
Pirates today are much smarter than the pirates of old. Old pirates had it way too easy, todays pirates have it tougher and have to think more and fully have my respect as players. Old pirates like TankCEO for example and his lame gate jumping are nothing more than past relics of the the game. Tank used to be a feared pirate and now hes nothing more than some chump in some pirate corp and no one cares about him if he even plays the game anymore.
Blob warfare existed once corps got big enough to control 0.0 space. Exodus did not bring the blobs. Blobs are a natural tendency of the players, not the game. Eve is way more fun now than back then. Way more to do now. Eve evolved, you didn't.
Yup great alpha vet, so I am a beta vet. I guess you got a little up on me there but atleast I am not PERMA BANNED. Oooh you talk to the devs, does this make you smarter now ? Guess what ? I talked to them too and I used to be a valunteer helper. Does this mean anything ? Nope not a goddamn thing.
So the fact you may still talk to devs means nothing. You don't play the game anymore cause you are BANNED. Why was this perma ban ? Cheating perhaps or something else ?
PoS's were an afterthought. Well I guess everything that they put in after launch is an afterthought. I am aware DaoC had keeps but when did WoW ? Are you really trying to say that Eve ripped off WoWs pvp here ? Please don't be that stupid.
Exodus killed Eve ? Really how ? Player population has gone up and the game has gotten more and more advanced and better since. You just sound like a bitter old pirate at this point who did nothing but gank at gates and jump through before they brought in aggression timers. I'm also guessing you liked the old jumping system where you could be clown up on the other side of a gate jump before your screen has even loaded. I guess the aggression timers and 1 minute cloak after jumping are afterthoughts too right ? Did those things kills the game for you too ?
I was banned for trying to sell a gm corpse on ebay ^_^
you sound like a little carebear bitch...seriously eve sucks these days if you we're from beta and played before exodus you would know just how much better eve was back then...it may have been full of bugs but im not talking about how stable the game was....im talkming about how fun it was....you are forced to blob now and blob warfare is just pure gay
and yes I was a pirate....except I didn't gate camp
I just said you SOUNDED like a bitter old pirate, guess I hit a little close to home did I ? You can call me a carebear bitch all you want but sadly for you those things are simply not true. What space did I head for on day 1 of launch ? I went for 0.0 in my Rifter, Great Wildlands to be precise.What's my mining skill at ? Two. How many carebears do you know with a mining skill of 2 ? I have no problems with pirates, just whiny old bitter ones who think the game was better back in the old days and it's gone down hill since. Why this thought ? Simply because pirates lost their easy gank mechanics. How many pirates back in the day just sat on a gate with a Moa with low slots fully stacked with magnetic stabalizers because there was no stacking penalty ?
Pirates today are much smarter than the pirates of old. Old pirates had it way too easy, todays pirates have it tougher and have to think more and fully have my respect as players. Old pirates like TankCEO for example and his lame gate jumping are nothing more than past relics of the the game. Tank used to be a feared pirate and now hes nothing more than some chump in some pirate corp and no one cares about him if he even plays the game anymore.
Blob warfare existed once corps got big enough to control 0.0 space. Exodus did not bring the blobs. Blobs are a natural tendency of the players, not the game. Eve is way more fun now than back then. Way more to do now. Eve evolved, you didn't.
you know once they added warp to 0km it was the final blow to piracy
and they ruined piracy for the few of us that actually cared to act like a real pirate and roleplay
the ones sitting at the gate camps ruined it for us
EVE was alot more fun back in the day...being paid by alliances to do missions for them was fun ^_^
or taking out whole fleets support ships with my dual ab rupture