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What happened to "dual-classing" ?

jefaw82jefaw82 Member UncommonPosts: 72

Now I'm sure I can do some searching and find the article that spoke of the ability to "choose a second class at level 10". Originally this was supposed to be one of the other classes, sort of like the way a player takes on a second class in Guild Wars. But now it's just advancing within the same class that you already are.

 

One of the things that got me pumped about this was the possibility to eventually choose one of the other classes instead of being all warrior, scout, etc. I wanted a warrior with some healing powers too ( which would have been choosing the priest as my second class ).

 

Now, does this sound familiar to anyone or am I just going completely bat sh*t crazy!?

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  • staal75staal75 Member Posts: 10

    I heard that you can get skills from other classes somehow

  • jefaw82jefaw82 Member UncommonPosts: 72
    Originally posted by staal75


    I heard that you can get skills from other classes somehow

     

    Yeah I think you'll be able to use STIGMAS. I'm not completely sure about the what, how, and where of STIGMA... but I'll do my best to find out.

     

    I found an article on STIGMA STONES but it only "theorizes" as to the equipping of other classes skills be a "possibility"... but nothing in stone yet.

     

    Do you remember where you may have heard of getting other class' skills? A magazine maybe?

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  • 0guz0guz Member UncommonPosts: 287

    there is quest for stigma i dont know for sure

  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519

    It's not duel class but duel welding, and yes it is a stigma for Gladiators so they can use 2 x 1 handed swords. They drop from mob's or you can buy them in Auction House.  There never was duel class option.

    Duel class option would be a joke to balance. imo

     

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  • AlanakoAlanako Member Posts: 188

    Chosing a second class at lvl 10 its a feature of Realm of Magic, not Aion. In Aipn you have five slots for Stigma Stones, which give you skills for other clases

  • clwoodsclwoods Member Posts: 625

    You sure you aren't thinking about Runes of Magic?

  • zarzuzarzu Member Posts: 126

    i've never heard of this, i am pretty sure they never intended to do something like that.

    and stigmas are not cross-class, stigmas are very well defined abilities that are only available to one class, they do not come from another class and most of them do not provide something that you would expect from another class but just strengthen the abilities of your class.

    stigmas are simply a way to kind of make your character unique and not every char of the same class exactly the same. though there really aren't many stigmas you can choose, so it's a pretty weak customization.

    any kind of cross-class abilities, whether weapon usage or skills, is not in game.

  • MikeyReignMikeyReign Member Posts: 56

     I played Korean Aion. Was a Warrior Class. Got to lvl 10 and then had to do a quest to be able to keep advancing as well as evolve into a new class.

    Thats right you don't have dual classes....never was mentioned. Maybe you are thinking of a different game mate. Once you reach level 10 as Warrior or whatever class you have to choose between two classes to evolve into to keep on advancing. Untill you do choose one of these classes by doing a quest you will not be able to keep lvling (Advancing your character). From a lvl 10 warrior you can either become a gladiator or a templar.

     

    Hope this allows you to be aware how the class system works. 

  • TheMaelstromTheMaelstrom Member UncommonPosts: 393
    Originally posted by zarzu


    i've never heard of this, i am pretty sure they never intended to do something like that.
    and stigmas are not cross-class, stigmas are very well defined abilities that are only available to one class, they do not come from another class and most of them do not provide something that you would expect from another class but just strengthen the abilities of your class.

    stigmas are simply a way to kind of make your character unique and not every char of the same class exactly the same. though there really aren't many stigmas you can choose, so it's a pretty weak customization.

    any kind of cross-class abilities, whether weapon usage or skills, is not in game.

     

    I respectfully disagree. There are currently stigmas available in-game which will allow a cloth-wearing caster such as a Spiritmaster to equip heavy armor. That is technically a cross-class skill that would not otherwise be available to the Spiritmaster. That's only one example, but there are more like this.

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  • logangregorlogangregor Member Posts: 1,524

    Im not sure if this is what he is talking about, but all classes start as one of a handful of basic classes

    Warrior

    Scout

    Mage

    Priest


    At one point and I dont know what lvl that would be, you get to choose your subclass

    for instance

    Scouts can become rangers or assassins.

    Mages can become Sorcerers or Spiritmasters

    Warriors can become Gladiators or Templars

    Priests can become clerics or and I cant remember the other one...

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  • ZyllosZyllos Member UncommonPosts: 537

    When you level up, each class have a list of skills that they accumilate. I think each one of those skills you get can be dropped as a stigma stone and eqipped by another class. There are 5 stigma slots to allow for several different skills to be equipped. I am not sure how the system works itself because I never had the chance to play for an extended period of time but I know at least this much.

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  • stayontargetstayontarget Member RarePosts: 6,519
    Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

    Originally posted by zarzu


    i've never heard of this, i am pretty sure they never intended to do something like that.
    and stigmas are not cross-class, stigmas are very well defined abilities that are only available to one class, they do not come from another class and most of them do not provide something that you would expect from another class but just strengthen the abilities of your class.

    stigmas are simply a way to kind of make your character unique and not every char of the same class exactly the same. though there really aren't many stigmas you can choose, so it's a pretty weak customization.

    any kind of cross-class abilities, whether weapon usage or skills, is not in game.

     

    I respectfully disagree. There are currently stigmas available in-game which will allow a cloth-wearing caster such as a Spiritmaster to equip heavy armor. That is technically a cross-class skill that would not otherwise be available to the Spiritmaster. That's only one example, but there are more like this.

    This was removed during CB testing (there was too many 2 handed poleaxe welding assassins running around pwning everyone). The Dev's said it was just to hard to balance it at the time but they did say it might come back in the future.

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  • TheMaelstromTheMaelstrom Member UncommonPosts: 393
    Originally posted by stayontarget



    This was removed during CB testing (there was too many 2 handed poleaxe welding assassins running around pwning everyone). The Dev's said it was just to hard to balance it at the time but they did say it might come back in the future.

     

    I wasn't aware that they removed the cross-class equipment stigmas. I must have totally missed that. My bad.

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  • zarzuzarzu Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by Zyllos


    When you level up, each class have a list of skills that they accumilate. I think each one of those skills you get can be dropped as a stigma stone and eqipped by another class. There are 5 stigma slots to allow for several different skills to be equipped. I am not sure how the system works itself because I never had the chance to play for an extended period of time but I know at least this much.

     

    there are no cross-class stigmas, not weapons, not armor, not skills, stigmas are simply further skills which let you customize your class.

  • DopSillypantDopSillypant Member Posts: 21

    There is another feature that might cause a lot of confusion regarding cross-class equipment.

    I believe at level 30 you gain the right to copy the look of any piece of body gear onto another, it would be entirely possible to copy the look of a plate chest piece onto your robe and appear like you are wearing plate.  I'm not level 30 yet so I haven't been able to test out this feature myself, it could be that only robes could be copied onto robes, leather to leather etc.  I'm not sure.

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  • LynxJSALynxJSA Member RarePosts: 3,334
    Originally posted by jefaw82


    Now I'm sure I can do some searching and find the article that spoke of the ability to "choose a second class at level 10".

     

    Somewhat correct. It's just a class from the base class to your main class, not dual-classing. At level 10 you choose whether you want your Scout to be a Ranger or Assassin, and whatever the branches are for the other base classes. 

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  • zarzuzarzu Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by scorpchen 
    it could be that only robes could be copied onto robes, leather to leather etc.

     

    this

  • jefaw82jefaw82 Member UncommonPosts: 72

    Thanks for all the responses.

     

    Yes I have decided I did indeed misunderstand the "second class" thing. Jumped to conclusions I suppose. That... and I was really looking forward to a healing warrior. lol

     

    Oops. Sorry for the confusion.

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  • Khan187Khan187 Member Posts: 168

    I think the OP is right in thinking of dual class oO

    for eg: You start with a Warrior (1st Class) and then you ascent into a Gladiator or a Templar (2nd class). But ofcourse limited to which second class you can be lol.

    Sooo... yeah !! You can be a dual class at lvl 10.

    just ... a  ... different  .. way of thinking? xD

  • Khan187Khan187 Member Posts: 168
    Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

    Originally posted by zarzu


    i've never heard of this, i am pretty sure they never intended to do something like that.
    and stigmas are not cross-class, stigmas are very well defined abilities that are only available to one class, they do not come from another class and most of them do not provide something that you would expect from another class but just strengthen the abilities of your class.

    stigmas are simply a way to kind of make your character unique and not every char of the same class exactly the same. though there really aren't many stigmas you can choose, so it's a pretty weak customization.

    any kind of cross-class abilities, whether weapon usage or skills, is not in game.

     

    I respectfully disagree. There are currently stigmas available in-game which will allow a cloth-wearing caster such as a Spiritmaster to equip heavy armor. That is technically a cross-class skill that would not otherwise be available to the Spiritmaster. That's only one example, but there are more like this.

    ZOMFG !! i can't wait to find a Cloaking Stigma for my Gladiator :DDD

     

    that would rock lol.

  • Khan187Khan187 Member Posts: 168
    Originally posted by stayontarget

    Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

    Originally posted by zarzu


    i've never heard of this, i am pretty sure they never intended to do something like that.
    and stigmas are not cross-class, stigmas are very well defined abilities that are only available to one class, they do not come from another class and most of them do not provide something that you would expect from another class but just strengthen the abilities of your class.

    stigmas are simply a way to kind of make your character unique and not every char of the same class exactly the same. though there really aren't many stigmas you can choose, so it's a pretty weak customization.

    any kind of cross-class abilities, whether weapon usage or skills, is not in game.

     

    I respectfully disagree. There are currently stigmas available in-game which will allow a cloth-wearing caster such as a Spiritmaster to equip heavy armor. That is technically a cross-class skill that would not otherwise be available to the Spiritmaster. That's only one example, but there are more like this.

    This was removed during CB testing (there was too many 2 handed poleaxe welding assassins running around pwning everyone). The Dev's said it was just to hard to balance it at the time but they did say it might come back in the future.

    I think it was hard to balance because the classes do not get weapon specific bonus, for eg:

    Assassin get 15% more crit if equiped with dagger. (cover the dmg loss of swords maybe)

    Gladiator get 10% chance to knock down on every hit with a polearm. (need good defence and offence to fight a brute)

    Templar get 10% chance to silence opponent at every hit. (no casting when you are facing a templar)

     

    You get the point anyways lol. The problem is when a weapon is same for everyone - it's as deadly as the user. When a weapon is special for certain class - it's as deadly as the class who uses it.

  • CyntheCynthe Member UncommonPosts: 1,414
    Originally posted by Khan187


    I think the OP is right in thinking of dual class oO
    for eg: You start with a Warrior (1st Class) and then you ascent into a Gladiator or a Templar (2nd class). But ofcourse limited to which second class you can be lol.
    Sooo... yeah !! You can be a dual class at lvl 10.
    just ... a  ... different  .. way of thinking? xD

    lol no!  ^_^;;;

    The dual class system in FFXI is probably the best example but it does come with it's own problems. Like having to level two (or many) classes, and you are not entirely free to pick whatever classes to put together, you have to pick classes that merge well and usually they are of the same type ex:

    Red mage/black mage: good!

    Warrior/black mage: wtf are you doing?

    No dual system and the ability to gain a few extra skills is better I'm starting to think, less of a headache.

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  • zarzuzarzu Member Posts: 126
    Originally posted by Khan187

    Originally posted by TheMaelstrom

    Originally posted by zarzu


    i've never heard of this, i am pretty sure they never intended to do something like that.
    and stigmas are not cross-class, stigmas are very well defined abilities that are only available to one class, they do not come from another class and most of them do not provide something that you would expect from another class but just strengthen the abilities of your class.

    stigmas are simply a way to kind of make your character unique and not every char of the same class exactly the same. though there really aren't many stigmas you can choose, so it's a pretty weak customization.

    any kind of cross-class abilities, whether weapon usage or skills, is not in game.

     

    I respectfully disagree. There are currently stigmas available in-game which will allow a cloth-wearing caster such as a Spiritmaster to equip heavy armor. That is technically a cross-class skill that would not otherwise be available to the Spiritmaster. That's only one example, but there are more like this.

    ZOMFG !! i can't wait to find a Cloaking Stigma for my Gladiator :DDD

     

    that would rock lol.

    you won't, everything i wrote is true, all the people talking about cross-class stigmas have no clue and never played aion.

    also:

    daggers have a high base crit chance, for any class.

    all two handers give you a chance to kb.

    never heard of the templar silence.

  • Khan187Khan187 Member Posts: 168
    Originally posted by zarzu


    you won't, everything i wrote is true, all the people talking about cross-class stigmas have no clue and never played aion.
    also:

    daggers have a high base crit chance, for any class.

    all two handers give you a chance to kb.

    never heard of the templar silence.



     

    that was just a noob example from me lol. What i was saying is that Assassins with Polearms wont be a problem if they miss the passive bonus for that weapon whereas Gladiators would be feared because their class get a passive bonus so to speak.

    Just some example to say why it was un-balanced IMO.

    PS: I was kidding about having a Gladiator cloaking :p

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