If you think the warcraft community is so bad, you must not have a lot of mmo experience or just have very thin skin.
There are so many games where I have seen players actively ruin the enjoyment of others to the point that it makes them quit playing all together and that is just the tip of the iceberg. The level to which people cry about a handful of people being smart mouthed in global chat amazes me. Oh noes! someone is telling chuck norris jokes again.
Except Blizzard used to something about in the past. People got warnings, GM's would talk to players and tell them to stop. Now it takes days just to get a hold of a GM.
And its not Chuck Norris jokes people are talking about. The best example is when people would type [body part] and then link an ability in trade chat. I use [body part] because if I type what the idiots would actually type I'd most likely be violating mmorpg's rules of conduct.
This went on for months, and still goes on. On one night I wrote down the names of the people doing it. Nothing happened.
Wind the clock back to Nov 2004 when WoW first went public. If people tried to do this kind of rubbish they would have been swiftly warned/banned. These days ... Blizzard is too scared of upsetting the kiddies.
They still ban people, temporarily. The GM needs information on which server, and what time the spam happen in which channel. I have seen ppl coming back and spam /2 complaining about being banned. They are given the reason for being spammed too, and naturally, as they spam and complained, I reported them again.
No. The community has steadily got a lot worse, especially since the Activision-Blizzard merger. Perfect example. When I first started playing 4 years ago Blizzard policed public channels. People talking rubbish and using foul language in trade chat were warned/temp bans etc. Now trade chat is nothing but swearing and abuse. You can report people as much as you want. The GM's will just ignore you or take no action. With the XBOX Halo crowd moving into WoW, Activision-Blizzard are incredibly reluctant to ban or even warn players now. If Blizzard actually enforced their rules then they would have to ban massive amounts of kids and lose their precious 11.5 million subscribers. Blizzard know that the most people taking up WoW these days have not played an MMO and are most likely console players where this sort of behaviour is a lot more common. Why would they ban players and lose precious money?
There are a lot of mature players, but being mature they just ignore the idiots and stick to their guild/friends. There is no wider community in WoW. WoW is like Mad Max II. Groups of decent people isolating themselves from the abusive marauders trying to hassle them. Actually, to describe WoW's community as post-apocalyptic is quite apt.
WoW has a report system that will automaticly silence a player if enough people report him, he can only chat again when a GM looks into the reason.
Also has a profanity filter
WoW has over 450 western servers, thats a big ass community. To monitor every chat channel 24/7 is impossible, I would say a server would need atleast 10GM's to monitor live chat, answer player tickets quickly and so on... that would be a total of 4500GMS's .. never goona happen.
The report tool brings power to the people (community) if they chose to use it... so quick bitching and use it.
Blizzard has never monitored chat channels live and dished out bans on the spot... no game AFAIK does that... or has the reasources to.
Blizzard has banned more players than most mmo have ever had, just 1 examples is 114,000 in May 2007.
Bottom line community is what you make it, WoW has a very active community and some people hate that.
Comments like "the wow community" is immature or kids... is just plain ignorrant... judging a sever of around 5000 players or the whole western player base of around 6million on a few bad apples.
I tend to agree with some ppl when they say the community and overall quality has gone down quite alot, maybe its just because they are focusing on their next game and the merger has nothing to do with it, but the WoW I played so much for the initial 2-3 years in completely gone, WoW is a cash cow and Activision-Blizzard makes sure everyone is clear about that every day they release new notes and add more advertising and litle gimmicks to make you spend more money on them, overall game quality has gone down quite alot too, its no longer cathering to a large array of people but rather a more "giveaway" crowd which they know needs to be pleased so they can get the most cash out of it.
I think WoW was a great and fun game, TBC was the fine tune of WoW in my opinion and they simply ruined it with the new expansion, not to say everything was bad but major core design changes made the game not rewarding (not on the literal meaning but on the fact that they homogenized everything so much + made everyone get everything that is simply not personally rewarding anymore to get anything, it does not feel like you have accomplished something).
All in all I think this contributed to the downfall of the community since that sort of natural selection was a bit lost, you had the pvp crowd, the arena crowd, the pve crowd, and these were very different with very different attitudes towards other ppl, when you mix them together you get Naxxramas Chat, ppl calling eachothers names all the time, insults.
I would say the community has improved in only a relative sense as some of new games have a much worse community. With games like AoC dropping the bar for ommunity by reaching out to the worst of the 25 year old kiddies by marketing its game on immature content of sex, blood, gore, profanity and nudity. Sadky it seems every new games community just gets worse but I think we have seen the worst with AoC for quite sometime.
what exectly is immature about sex, blood, gore, profanity and nudity?
i mean i wouldnt call it mature because of that either but i cant see anything immature about it.
sex, vioalance etc are parts of life, why cut them from a game?
why strive for graphic realism in any possible way and then cut when it comes to sex and/or violance?
At release this game has got to have had the worst crowd of players. If someone askes a question in general chat they are slamed, if someone makes a mistake in any subject they are raked over the coals...the cursing, the sexual and racial slurs. People down others like crazy, if the group wipes then usually the worst player is the one curseing and blaming others for the death. Even in a guild there can be things like ninja-ing Blizzard has really made a great game, but in a rating of 1 to 10 in which the community is part of the criteria for a score the game would get a very low mark in my opinion. Before you flame away, I didnt say all folks playing where this way, just most of them. Game itself 9.5 game with community included 4.5 BUT has the community improved? I was in a PUG the other day and everyone knew how to play and no-one ninja-ed or said dumb stuff.
I have to ask but have you ever played any other MMO before or after? I mean if you want you can find a-holes in every single MMO out there, also if you want you could just ignore them, just like in real life, I mean imagine that everyone on this planet would get along, still not sure why people expect that much difference when this genre is played by people all over the world.
Most people don't think of it that way. Put 11 million people in your favorite game and see how YOUR community goes downhill, lol.
For the most part, it's the same people that are annoying over and over. I've cleaned up quite a bit just using the ignore list. Now, with the large numbers there is always someone ready to fill the void, but you can control it to some degree. Chat channels are easy to turn off too. It should be about the game not the chat! Oh, and I /agree 100% Z
Except you dont play on a single server of 11 million people. And from personal experience I can say the community was much much better in May 2005 when I first started than it is now. It was still a lot better in late 2006 when there were 8.5 million players. I dunno, is there suddenly a magic number of subscribers you hit and then the community goes to hell?
The point isn't how many people you play with on a server, it's the size of the pool that the people are coming from. As far as 3-4 years ago, did you ever hear the term "Barrens Chat"?
As the community continues to grow you will get more and more "kiddies". Again, ignore and move on. You shouldn't be concentrating on the chat anyway. Where it really hurts is when the actual new players ask questions and such. I usually answer in a whisper and get a big "Thank you" when I do. It doesn't seem to matter though as the pop keeps getting larger, lol.
If you think the warcraft community is so bad, you must not have a lot of mmo experience or just have very thin skin.
There are so many games where I have seen players actively ruin the enjoyment of others to the point that it makes them quit playing all together and that is just the tip of the iceberg. The level to which people cry about a handful of people being smart mouthed in global chat amazes me. Oh noes! someone is telling chuck norris jokes again.
Except Blizzard used to something about in the past. People got warnings, GM's would talk to players and tell them to stop. Now it takes days just to get a hold of a GM.
And its not Chuck Norris jokes people are talking about. The best example is when people would type [body part] and then link an ability in trade chat. I use [body part] because if I type what the idiots would actually type I'd most likely be violating mmorpg's rules of conduct.
This went on for months, and still goes on. On one night I wrote down the names of the people doing it. Nothing happened.
Wind the clock back to Nov 2004 when WoW first went public. If people tried to do this kind of rubbish they would have been swiftly warned/banned. These days ... Blizzard is too scared of upsetting the kiddies.
Strange as I have never seen the body part spam, let alone for months on end, but maybe it happened on your server or everywhere for that matter and I just miss it. As for days to get in touch with a gm, it has never taken me more than 15 minutes. Yes, 15 minutes is the longest I had to wait.
Wow has a tool to report those people who spam your server for months on end with a simple right click on their name. If they were behaving badly enough and enough people reported them, there is no escaping gm intervention. Maybe there is more to your story or people on your server are just not well informed of the options blizzard made available to them so they can deal with the situation themselves without having to wait for gms. However your join date and post history leave me skeptical about your experiences and lean towards the former.
Pug success rate - pre BC the success of a pug completing an instance was now very good. during bc heroics I had a 1/10 chance of getting in a successful pug group, then WotLK came out and the chances of pug success became 9/10 for heroics and 8/10 for certain raid areas.
You still have your long list of a-holes, but they're alot more low key now.
"If WoW rogues were so hard to play back then, how come so many 12 year olds rolled a rogue?"
Currently playing: WoW (still searching for that perfect MMO)
Have played: EverQuest (have still never found another MMO that gave you that feeling of being in that world), EQ2, Age of Conan, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, FFXI
Nah, a trick question would be, "do gold farmers/spammers count as the community?"
Remember they were much MUCH worse during the BC
"If WoW rogues were so hard to play back then, how come so many 12 year olds rolled a rogue?"
Currently playing: WoW (still searching for that perfect MMO)
Have played: EverQuest (have still never found another MMO that gave you that feeling of being in that world), EQ2, Age of Conan, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, FFXI
Wow community is the same as any other Online pc game. theres mature players and bad players . and just like anyother game turn the gamewide chats off. I don't run into many problems , eq2 was way worse the plat spam and the lfg channal was totaly useless , at lest wow lfg its possible to fill a group very fast and get going.
Wow community is the same as any other Online pc game. theres mature players and bad players . and just like anyother game turn the gamewide chats off. I don't run into many problems , eq2 was way worse the plat spam and the lfg channal was totaly useless , at lest wow lfg its possible to fill a group very fast and get going.
Not entirely true. From my experiance it usualy varies on how complex the game is, and/or wether it is in the "in" crowd or not.
I had fewer problems in oldschool EQ back then, less attention whores as well. Mind you EQ had plenty of e-whores as well, but in my opinion, no where near as much. Mijnd you this is theoretical and cannot actually be proven to be 100% acurate, however epeen battles tend to happen in certain games more than others.
On a side note, I should point out that if you think the WoW community is bad, RuneScape's community is MUCH worse.
"If WoW rogues were so hard to play back then, how come so many 12 year olds rolled a rogue?"
Currently playing: WoW (still searching for that perfect MMO)
Have played: EverQuest (have still never found another MMO that gave you that feeling of being in that world), EQ2, Age of Conan, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, FFXI
Maybe it's my server, but I have never had the kind of community issues that many people claim WOW has. I started in January and have so far ran into a grand total of 1 person who was a complete douchebag. He started harrassing me on a road and I reported him. Then I beamed back Home and never saw him again. No big deal.
Now in WAR and SWG, I ran into douchebags much more often. Usually it was during PVP when they had just got killed and their pride couldn't take it. So far in WOW, not one person I have killed has shouted vulgarities after I killed them. They just respawn and come back for revenge.
Originally posted by coffee WoW has a report system that will automaticly silence a player if enough people report him, he can only chat again when a GM looks into the reason. Also has a profanity filter WoW has over 450 western servers, thats a big ass community. To monitor every chat channel 24/7 is impossible, I would say a server would need atleast 10GM's to monitor live chat, answer player tickets quickly and so on... that would be a total of 4500GMS's .. never goona happen. The report tool brings power to the people (community) if they chose to use it... so quick bitching and use it. Blizzard has never monitored chat channels live and dished out bans on the spot... no game AFAIK does that... or has the reasources to. Blizzard has banned more players than most mmo have ever had, just 1 examples is 114,000 in May 2007. Bottom line community is what you make it, WoW has a very active community and some people hate that. Comments like "the wow community" is immature or kids... is just plain ignorrant... judging a sever of around 5000 players or the whole western player base of around 6million on a few bad apples.
You really didn't read what I wrote. Are the people playing WoW today any worse than in May-June 2005 when I first started? Probably not. But my point is Blizzard doesn't police their channels or enforce their own rules of conduct LIKE THEY USED TO. Of course kids online are going to be obnoxious and disgusting. But you can control that to a degree with punishment. If people know they can do and say anything and get away with it its only going to get worse.
It depends really. I rarely run into a-holes when pugging and stuff to be honest. I don't see why people say the community is so god damn bad, i've experienced way worse in the majority of mmo's i've played. But ofcourse, there will wlays be pople who thinks cursing and [dirge] is cool... But it doesn't bother me too much, cause if it did, i'd be having a bloody hard time enjoying mmo's. Just ingore the typical stuff like 'The Barrens Chat' and the occasional a-hole in your pug that points out every little mistake, that thinks he's the ultimate pro, and there's really nothing to complain about.
Overall i'd say it hasn't improved. It was never that bad to begin wtih. People tend to overreact when it comes to wow for various stupid reasons imo
I have to agree with Dead on this one. Too many ppl complain about the maturity of the community as a whole and that's just stupid.
You have over 200 servers, each with thousands of players divided up in two factions and a 24hr play time schedule. Anyone who generalizes that every server has the same exact % of types of ppl at the same time are simply way off and delusional.
Your experiences are the only thing you can quantify as either being lucky or unlucky in finding like-minded ppl to play with, but they're out there. I can walk down the same street 20 times in a neighborhood and never meet the same person twice. Or meet the same person 16 times out of those 20.
You can't get along with everyone, in a game or the real world. Just enjoy yourself and you'll most likely find someone to enjoy it with. The more you have expectations, the more chances you'll have in being disappointed.
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Except Blizzard used to something about in the past. People got warnings, GM's would talk to players and tell them to stop. Now it takes days just to get a hold of a GM.
And its not Chuck Norris jokes people are talking about. The best example is when people would type [body part] and then link an ability in trade chat. I use [body part] because if I type what the idiots would actually type I'd most likely be violating mmorpg's rules of conduct.
This went on for months, and still goes on. On one night I wrote down the names of the people doing it. Nothing happened.
Wind the clock back to Nov 2004 when WoW first went public. If people tried to do this kind of rubbish they would have been swiftly warned/banned. These days ... Blizzard is too scared of upsetting the kiddies.
They still ban people, temporarily. The GM needs information on which server, and what time the spam happen in which channel. I have seen ppl coming back and spam /2 complaining about being banned. They are given the reason for being spammed too, and naturally, as they spam and complained, I reported them again.
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Rofl i am so going to copy this statement.
WoW has a report system that will automaticly silence a player if enough people report him, he can only chat again when a GM looks into the reason.
Also has a profanity filter
WoW has over 450 western servers, thats a big ass community. To monitor every chat channel 24/7 is impossible, I would say a server would need atleast 10GM's to monitor live chat, answer player tickets quickly and so on... that would be a total of 4500GMS's .. never goona happen.
The report tool brings power to the people (community) if they chose to use it... so quick bitching and use it.
Blizzard has never monitored chat channels live and dished out bans on the spot... no game AFAIK does that... or has the reasources to.
Blizzard has banned more players than most mmo have ever had, just 1 examples is 114,000 in May 2007.
Bottom line community is what you make it, WoW has a very active community and some people hate that.
Comments like "the wow community" is immature or kids... is just plain ignorrant... judging a sever of around 5000 players or the whole western player base of around 6million on a few bad apples.
I tend to agree with some ppl when they say the community and overall quality has gone down quite alot, maybe its just because they are focusing on their next game and the merger has nothing to do with it, but the WoW I played so much for the initial 2-3 years in completely gone, WoW is a cash cow and Activision-Blizzard makes sure everyone is clear about that every day they release new notes and add more advertising and litle gimmicks to make you spend more money on them, overall game quality has gone down quite alot too, its no longer cathering to a large array of people but rather a more "giveaway" crowd which they know needs to be pleased so they can get the most cash out of it.
I think WoW was a great and fun game, TBC was the fine tune of WoW in my opinion and they simply ruined it with the new expansion, not to say everything was bad but major core design changes made the game not rewarding (not on the literal meaning but on the fact that they homogenized everything so much + made everyone get everything that is simply not personally rewarding anymore to get anything, it does not feel like you have accomplished something).
All in all I think this contributed to the downfall of the community since that sort of natural selection was a bit lost, you had the pvp crowd, the arena crowd, the pve crowd, and these were very different with very different attitudes towards other ppl, when you mix them together you get Naxxramas Chat, ppl calling eachothers names all the time, insults.
what exectly is immature about sex, blood, gore, profanity and nudity?
i mean i wouldnt call it mature because of that either but i cant see anything immature about it.
sex, vioalance etc are parts of life, why cut them from a game?
why strive for graphic realism in any possible way and then cut when it comes to sex and/or violance?
whats the point in censoring that?
I have to ask but have you ever played any other MMO before or after? I mean if you want you can find a-holes in every single MMO out there, also if you want you could just ignore them, just like in real life, I mean imagine that everyone on this planet would get along, still not sure why people expect that much difference when this genre is played by people all over the world.
Except you dont play on a single server of 11 million people. And from personal experience I can say the community was much much better in May 2005 when I first started than it is now. It was still a lot better in late 2006 when there were 8.5 million players. I dunno, is there suddenly a magic number of subscribers you hit and then the community goes to hell?
The point isn't how many people you play with on a server, it's the size of the pool that the people are coming from. As far as 3-4 years ago, did you ever hear the term "Barrens Chat"?
As the community continues to grow you will get more and more "kiddies". Again, ignore and move on. You shouldn't be concentrating on the chat anyway. Where it really hurts is when the actual new players ask questions and such. I usually answer in a whisper and get a big "Thank you" when I do. It doesn't seem to matter though as the pop keeps getting larger, lol.
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Except Blizzard used to something about in the past. People got warnings, GM's would talk to players and tell them to stop. Now it takes days just to get a hold of a GM.
And its not Chuck Norris jokes people are talking about. The best example is when people would type [body part] and then link an ability in trade chat. I use [body part] because if I type what the idiots would actually type I'd most likely be violating mmorpg's rules of conduct.
This went on for months, and still goes on. On one night I wrote down the names of the people doing it. Nothing happened.
Wind the clock back to Nov 2004 when WoW first went public. If people tried to do this kind of rubbish they would have been swiftly warned/banned. These days ... Blizzard is too scared of upsetting the kiddies.
Strange as I have never seen the body part spam, let alone for months on end, but maybe it happened on your server or everywhere for that matter and I just miss it. As for days to get in touch with a gm, it has never taken me more than 15 minutes. Yes, 15 minutes is the longest I had to wait.
Wow has a tool to report those people who spam your server for months on end with a simple right click on their name. If they were behaving badly enough and enough people reported them, there is no escaping gm intervention. Maybe there is more to your story or people on your server are just not well informed of the options blizzard made available to them so they can deal with the situation themselves without having to wait for gms. However your join date and post history leave me skeptical about your experiences and lean towards the former.
Depends on how you see it.
Pug success rate - pre BC the success of a pug completing an instance was now very good. during bc heroics I had a 1/10 chance of getting in a successful pug group, then WotLK came out and the chances of pug success became 9/10 for heroics and 8/10 for certain raid areas.
You still have your long list of a-holes, but they're alot more low key now.
"If WoW rogues were so hard to play back then, how come so many 12 year olds rolled a rogue?"
Currently playing: WoW (still searching for that perfect MMO)
Have played: EverQuest (have still never found another MMO that gave you that feeling of being in that world), EQ2, Age of Conan, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, FFXI
Is this a trick question? Seriously...
Nah, a trick question would be, "do gold farmers/spammers count as the community?"
Remember they were much MUCH worse during the BC
"If WoW rogues were so hard to play back then, how come so many 12 year olds rolled a rogue?"
Currently playing: WoW (still searching for that perfect MMO)
Have played: EverQuest (have still never found another MMO that gave you that feeling of being in that world), EQ2, Age of Conan, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, FFXI
Wow community is the same as any other Online pc game. theres mature players and bad players . and just like anyother game turn the gamewide chats off. I don't run into many problems , eq2 was way worse the plat spam and the lfg channal was totaly useless , at lest wow lfg its possible to fill a group very fast and get going.
Not entirely true. From my experiance it usualy varies on how complex the game is, and/or wether it is in the "in" crowd or not.
I had fewer problems in oldschool EQ back then, less attention whores as well. Mind you EQ had plenty of e-whores as well, but in my opinion, no where near as much. Mijnd you this is theoretical and cannot actually be proven to be 100% acurate, however epeen battles tend to happen in certain games more than others.
On a side note, I should point out that if you think the WoW community is bad, RuneScape's community is MUCH worse.
"If WoW rogues were so hard to play back then, how come so many 12 year olds rolled a rogue?"
Currently playing: WoW (still searching for that perfect MMO)
Have played: EverQuest (have still never found another MMO that gave you that feeling of being in that world), EQ2, Age of Conan, RuneScape, Guild Wars, Tabula Rasa, Warhammer Online, FFXI
Maybe it's my server, but I have never had the kind of community issues that many people claim WOW has. I started in January and have so far ran into a grand total of 1 person who was a complete douchebag. He started harrassing me on a road and I reported him. Then I beamed back Home and never saw him again. No big deal.
Now in WAR and SWG, I ran into douchebags much more often. Usually it was during PVP when they had just got killed and their pride couldn't take it. So far in WOW, not one person I have killed has shouted vulgarities after I killed them. They just respawn and come back for revenge.
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
I have to agree with Dead on this one. Too many ppl complain about the maturity of the community as a whole and that's just stupid.
You have over 200 servers, each with thousands of players divided up in two factions and a 24hr play time schedule. Anyone who generalizes that every server has the same exact % of types of ppl at the same time are simply way off and delusional.
Your experiences are the only thing you can quantify as either being lucky or unlucky in finding like-minded ppl to play with, but they're out there. I can walk down the same street 20 times in a neighborhood and never meet the same person twice. Or meet the same person 16 times out of those 20.
You can't get along with everyone, in a game or the real world. Just enjoy yourself and you'll most likely find someone to enjoy it with. The more you have expectations, the more chances you'll have in being disappointed.
cofee
you play alliance or horde in grim batol?