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3.5 Years....Still nothing. A Tale of a naive WoW player.
Biohazard931
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Right, I'm gonna tell you a story about my best mate today. We game together all the time and discuss MMO's and games and such. We also enjoy the occasionally talk about game design (Since I do 3D modeling and all that sort of stuff as well), but enough of that stuff. You know how we play mmorpgs and talk about them? There is a problem with one particular MMO out there. You know, the one that everyone here just loves (Lol) the plain, basic and watered down one? Yep, you guessed it WoW (*Ducks from flying keyboards*) My mate has been playing the game for 3.5 years now... I've tried to explain (so much that it bores me to death) how WoW is a simple game and that it isn't fun. (Yeah we all know its flaws. I don't need to go into that here)
I'm not going to go into detail. He just wont quit... He even said to me he's thinking of qutting many, many times before. He even knows that its sort of boring and all that crap that we all know about. He said he was going to quit on msn today so I asked for proof. He sent me a jpeg file of an account page. It had me fooled ( Even when I saw that it had my last login and account created dates - but I wasnt paying attention) So he eventually told me that he didn't quit and was like "OWNNNEEED" rofl. I used to play WoW and had a hell of a rough time but also some EXTREMLEY good memories. I eventually realised all its flaws after hitting 73 (I quit like 12 times and came back 
) and just stopped. I've sent my mate countless documents compling arguements from these forums and others of WoW's flaws...but what I dont understand is the fact he is thinking about qutting but just wont. What can I do? He seems like a naive child.
Beileve it or not but I actually got him WAR from my own money just to get him to stop and see other things. We had some fun but he was constantly judging the game ( I know war sucks. I don't play it now) Thats the only other mmorpg has played tho. He actually, on numerous times, said that it was better than WoW. But eventually went back. I constantly try to get him to realise that all he is doing is going on WoW (with a minimized screen so he can talk to me on msn and stuff - emmersion or what? lol) and doing dailies. His guild disbanded so now he is jumping around Dalaran waiting for something to happen.
Thats all I can be arsed to type. Any help lol? Peace.
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WoW is simple, but can be fun. And aren't we playing games for them to be fun instead of difficult?
And as long as he is having a good time.. whats wrong with it?
Dude, he isn't finding it fun. Didn't you read my post? He is guildess and doing nothing. Countless times he's thot of quiting.. he just wont. Thats why I'm asking for help on what to do
He obviously finds it the best alternative out there. There isn't a thing you can do, why even ask? You think there is some magical solution in the forums? I think you are probably just screwed ...stop trying so hard.
Woke up on the wrong side of your bed huh?
Sounds like the problem is more with the OP not able to accept the fact that his friend is still having fun. And if his friend isn't having fun, then he will quit just like the millions of us that do with video games on a regular basis.
Also, I couldn't help but laugh out loud when you said you showed your friend arguments on this website why WoW is bad. This website is a horrible indication on what is good and what is bad. Its like starting a website about music and having fans of all genres and artist argue about who and what is the best.
Yep, many still like Britney Spears the same way many like WoW :P (JOKIN)
Woke up on the wrong side of your bed huh?
If it sounded harsh, no I didnt wake up the wrong side of the bed. I just found you to be the one who is childish for coming to the forum for advice. Seems to be a futile effort If you ask me.
...also from the sound of the joke he pulled on you ... sounds as If you are the person who has the most problem with it.
Well, that's the effect some MMORPGs have on people. They spend so much time trying to improve their characters that it is hard to leave it all behind without the feeling of wasted time. And he probably had so much fun in WoW some time ago that he sees no alternative other than wandering there expecting it to happen again. Well, we know it probably won't. I don't really know how you could convince him to stop, but it seems like he is gaining nothing from WoW at all.
Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.
My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.
If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.
He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.
Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.
My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.
If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.
He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.
^This is good advice.
Yeah WoW is an ok game I recetly went back to it to play with some cousins and its fun for a month and then I realize why I quit time and time again. Its just the same shit over and over and over and over and over and over again. Gather these things, go kill this. blah blah blah. Then go grind for gear and then before you know it the gear you just got sucks compared to the stuff you can get in the next dungeon. SO its off to the next dungeon that people run through because they have done it a million times just to get that gear so your not as gimped compared to all these people that have nice gear and make fun of you for having shitty gear. (Which I don't really care about them making fun, i play how I wan't to play.)
Then you solo quests because nobody wants to group up unless they get some kick ass loot. I so wish there wes a game that forced grouping like FFXI but wasn't as time consuming. Id go back to FFXI if it didn't take forever to get anything done, games aren't my main priority right now but all these other casual games are just to casual for me. I just want something in the middle.
Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.
My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.
If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.
He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.
^This is good advice.
More like common sense, but I guess that wasn't the theme of this thread. I doubt EQ2, LOTRO or Vanguard would do much to keep his buddy from going back. But it should do enough to make him leave temporarily. Then a month from now, the OP will be right back here wondering what to do.
My thought exactly. The "everybody knows WoW sucks" and "we all know WoW's flaws" comments adds to that impression.
And with such an attitude, no wonder his friend might rather tell him he's considering quitting that bother discussing or sharing (actual) views. ;-)
Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.
My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.
If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.
He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.
Thanks man. I have tried to tell him about the other games, the legendary ones that forged the mmo world. You may not beileve this but he calls them "basement games" and he thinks if its not made by WoW its just a crappy game. Hopefully he was only joking...
Edit : I'm playing older games and I've played most trials out there. He is just stuck on WoW. I always bring up the idea of playing together. I tried to get him to go and play Daoc for fun but he refused.
Meh, been there, done that, probely going to do it again.
Every now and then i resub for WoW, i spend over 2000 hours in the darn game. ( proof of 1395 hours here http://www.xfire.com/profile/agoden/ )
The game bores me to death, but theres absolutely nothing I'd prefer over WoW, I'm addicted to it, even though it bores me, i keep going back, i play it to see if anythings changed, then i quit again.. A week after that I sometimes sub again, just because theres absolutely nothing out there as good as WoW. ( Thats a personal opinion, i know other people think there is )
I've luckily found the magic that is Mount & blade now, It's singleplayer.. but it keeps me from subbing for WoW.. The minigames in freerealms are quite nice to.
Then theres Drift city to do some racing.. And savage 1 and 2 if i feel like killing others..
You just have to find games that keep his attention like WoW does i suppose.. Try to show him some games you like, and never say " You can play this instead of WoW " he just has to change by himself.. If he likes WoW he'll keep playing and theres not a single thing you can do about it.
It's pretty clear that the naivety runs both ways.
If he's still playing the game after 3.5 years; if all your badgering and harassment hasn't convinced him to quit then there's a pretty simply explanation: He still enjoys the game and doesn't want to quit.
When he's agreeing with you about the games flaws and such, there's a 99% probability that he's just trying to get you to shut the hell up about it and stop bothering him. I mean, seriously .. repeatedly compiling documentary articles ridiculing the chosen pastime of your "friend" .. ?
If i were in his place, if a friend of mine was attempting to forcibly impose their opinions onto me and trying to deny my right to have my own preferences .. I'd have slapped the crap out of them by now.
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Sorry, but I doubt your friend will switch games, no matter how bored of WoW he is. I got 2 friends to try WAR and all they did was compare everything to WoW (the same 2 people who got me to try WoW when I was playing FFXI). They didn't give the game a chance at all. They didn't even get passed level 5 to decide the game sucks, and WoW is the best. I have a cousin I got to play WoW. He originally played EQ and refused to play WoW. He finally decided to play with me and his bro 2 1/2 years later. We tried to get him to try WAR, but he refuses cuz nothing is better than WoW.
My point is, most WoW players are not willing to give other games a chance. Also, I've decided not to invite friends to MMOs. Either they're bitching about how it isn't WoW, or I find out I don't like the game as much anymore, but they do. Then if I quit they're like wtf.
It's pretty clear that the naivety runs both ways.
If he's still playing the game after 3.5 years; if all your badgering and harassment hasn't convinced him to quit then there's a pretty simply explanation: He still enjoys the game and doesn't want to quit.
When he's agreeing with you about the games flaws and such, there's a 99% probability that he's just trying to get you to shut the hell up about it and stop bothering him. I mean, seriously .. repeatedly compiling documentary articles ridiculing the chosen pastime of your "friend" .. ?
If i were in his place, if a friend of mine was attempting to forcibly impose their opinions onto me and trying to deny my right to have my own preferences .. I'd have slapped the crap out of them by now.
Maybe OPs friend doesen't even know they are friends.
What I dont understand is why you care so much? If he doesn't want to quit (which if he keeps playing he obviously doesn't want to) why are you trying to make him quit? Either join him or move on and play a different game by yourself. And no i don't play WoW.
Looking for a new game to play
Of course he isn't, MMOs are fun tgether, not soloing guildless.
My advice: Sounds like at least you needs a new game and he need someone to play with. Try a free trial of some game together. EQ2, LOTRO, AoC or Vanguard should do the trick. Check out the game info about them here.
If you aint having fun after a few days, try something else.
He can always try to find another Wow guild of course but everything will starts to get boring eventually, you can only do the same content so many times and still having fun, even if you do it with fun people. Being of Wow at least until the next expansion is probably good for him but only he can truly judge tha.
Thanks man. I have tried to tell him about the other games, the legendary ones that forged the mmo world. You may not beileve this but he calls them "basement games" and he thinks if its not made by WoW its just a crappy game. Hopefully he was only joking...
Edit : I'm playing older games and I've played most trials out there. He is just stuck on WoW. I always bring up the idea of playing together. I tried to get him to go and play Daoc for fun but he refused.
Was WoW your friends first MMO? Its both of my cousins first P2P mmo and they love it and thats cool and all but I just get bored with it so quick. Granted I started playing before they did but I never really got far in the game cuz its just not my cup of tea. The highest level ive gotten was 47 before I got bored. I havent had a game hook me as much as FFXI did and im thinking I never will.
I just want a new game that forces grouping,where Roleplaying is always hapening and people aren't worried about getting to max level as fast as possible. A game where people are down just to run around for a few hours adventuring and questing.
Im a strong believer that Amazing things come from not well known people, well most of the time. I think the best music comes from underground bands most of the stuff I listen to can't be heard on the radio. Same thing with MMOs, thats why Im playing Vanguard right now, not many people play it right now but its so much more of a better game than WoW and is the best PvE game out there IMO. Ive tried just about ever P2P game out there its sad how big of graveyard I have of MMO boxes.
I actually grouped up with some people for an hour doing regular quests. I was shocked and excited at the same time. I haven't done that in a long time.
I personally can't bring myself to play WoW any more but I'd have a hard time saying it was not the best at just about everything exept technology. But I've been playing MMOs since UO launched and just don't have loyalty to any dev house. I play them until I cap out , get bored or frustrated. WoW is one of the few I played to cap.
But I did not come back for WotLK because I like some of the newer MMOs as much and they don't remind me that I've been playing since '04
This is alos what I am woundering. Why the hell is this person trying to convince his so called friend to quit. The other player obvioulsy dosnt want to quit, and despite what you may think or believe, he may actually like playing it, ever thought of that? I know its a new concept for soem of you wow haters to comprehend, BUT HE MAY ACTUALLY FIND PLAYING A GAME FUN. Maybe you should also try to find a game you like to play for fun instead of wasting your time trying to convince him and everyone else on wow sucks.
Hell like all games wow will eventually come to and end or a gradual slowdown. But jesus dont try to push your ideas on another player already playing. This is why most of you wow haters just jump from 1 game to another every 1 month, because you dont understand the concept that actually people enjoy playing wow.
Oh but there is. There is a magical solution. I shall share with you the ancient wisdom of the Old Timers.
Here is the magical ritual you must perform to extricate your friend from WoW. First, obtain a lock of his hair. Second, obtain an article of clothing from a virgin (must be a post-pubescent virgin). Third, obtain a WoW cd or the box it came in.
Then, on the night of a new moon, go to a hilltop with these items. Start a small fire. Circle the fire with a rythmic side stepping motion, always facing the fire, and chanting, "WoW begone, release my friend". After making three circuits around the fire toss in the article of virgins' clothing. Continue chanting. After three more circuits toss in the lock of your friends' hair. After the final three circuits toss in the WoW cd or box. Immediately after tossing in the WoW cd or box you must stop chanting, turn away from the fire and leave. DON'T LOOK BACK!
Never tell your friend or anyone else you know that you did this. Shortly thereafter your friend will lose interest in WoW and be freed.
Note: side affects may include nausea, diarrea, dry mouth, blurred vision, constipation, vomiting, existential angst, upset stomach, and feelings of acute embarassment. If these symptoms persist consult your local witch doctor.
Huh? So WoW haters jump from game to game because they can't get the concept that people find WoW fun?
That doesn't make and sense to me at all, I'd say WoW haters jump game to game because they don't find that game fun because everyone is going with the WoW game build. LOTRO WAR both felt like I was playing WoW with different skin and I quit WoW to play something different.
The reason why most WoW haters hate WoW is because they made MMO's popular and now every game developer and their mom is trying to copy WoW in hope of achieving the same success they had. To me older mmo's are so much better than most of the newer ones the problem is I like eye candy as well and it kills me to play some of the older games. Thats why I like Vanguard so much it has an old school feel to it but it has nice graphics.
I think im like your friend Bio, i enjoy really WoW when i play for about 2 years. Than i quit out of boredom. In the meantime i tried quite a few games: VG, LOTR, EQ2, COH, AoC, War and a couple of F2P games..
All those games, except AoC i manage to get to around level 20 + -... Just to show you that WoW players do try other games and would love to have a new home.
Yet in the end i quit all of them, and come back to WoW. Play it, quit, sub again and quit again...
Why?
1) Compare other games combat animation with WoW
2) Compare other games graphic with WoW ( except LOTR, War and AoC)
3) Compare the seemless world with WoW (except VG, but its too empty)
etc etc etc...
Sub-consciously players will compare what they are playing and what they have play, and when the whole package can not compare to WoW, i just come back!
Bored? quit! Nothing to do? Sub back and level a new toon!
So untill a mmo that is at least on par with WoW, than i dont think i will ever really quit.
So hope you understand what i mean, and the best is to stop telling your friend to quit..
The next game i'll try will be Aion... /fingers cross
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