Necromancer pet aura of the lich

lorndarken · May 2009

is it me or do they just dont dish out the damage ? . in pve as a mm i can do plenty with them and keep them up . but i have yet to see a mm build in random arenas actully work well

aura of the lich is nice and all and yes it makes for a intresting use to be able to use in pvp.

but what i dont understand is why would they put the only pet summoning abillty which is elite btw . only for the last mission place just for your pve charecter ? . i mean its not like you are going to be going around from day one on a necro with aura of the lich helping you out when the pets themselfs dont dish out the damage ???

i think they should at least put the elite spell to get from a boss you can find and kill much like the flesh golom elite spell you can get in factions around mid range missions.

that way i dont have to go all the way to hell priceble just to get the spell,

if you agree , cool. but if you disagree, please tell me why ???

people on pve charecters should be able to get aura of the lich around lvl 15 - 18

nukedude · May 2009

I don't think u understand what the original purpose of 'elite' skills is... It is meant to be something special. Nothing u can find on lvl 2 or sommet. But when they released factions, they basicaly srewed up the whole thing of elites being something special in pve. And u can say that this particular skill should be available somewhere sooner, but if they replace, other ppl might start to complain also... So just accept it's there, or buy an elite tome. 10k is like nothing compared to a few years ago.

lorndarken · May 2009

Originally posted by nukedude

I don't think u understand what the original purpose of 'elite' skills is... It is meant to be something special. Nothing u can find on lvl 2 or sommet. But when they released factions, they basicaly srewed up the whole thing of elites being something special in pve. And u can say that this particular skill should be available somewhere sooner, but if they replace, other ppl might start to complain also... So just accept it's there, or buy an elite tome. 10k is like nothing compared to a few years ago.

if i could i would get an elite tome, in a heart beat , but in my guild we dont have jack for money or know of anyone who might be selling tomes anyways

Rageahol · May 2009

Originally posted by nukedude

I don't think u understand what the original purpose of 'elite' skills is... It is meant to be something special. Nothing u can find on lvl 2 or sommet. But when they released factions, they basicaly srewed up the whole thing of elites being something special in pve. And u can say that this particular skill should be available somewhere sooner, but if they replace, other ppl might start to complain also... So just accept it's there, or buy an elite tome. 10k is like nothing compared to a few years ago.

i remember back in those days....back when black dye ment something....back when 15k armor ment you worked for it not just ohh i farmed for a day.....it was all a lot simpler back in those days....

Godliest · May 2009

MM builds revolve around large amounts of corpses to exploit and build minion armies that the stupid AI will then target over your own team. Combined with Barbs and such you can do nice damage. In RA you'll get like one corpse, after that one side is already winning therefore you won't have a very large minion army. Additionally players won't keep attacking your minions like the stupid monsters but rather just go and blow up you. Additionally hexes such as barbs will be prioritized for removal making minions much less dangerous. For short minions are really PvE-only because of all the positive effects they have in PvE are reduced in PvP to almost nothing. The exception to that being Lichway in HA where you can shit out a pretty large amount of minions, but then again HA is where all the gimmicks works...

Regarding Elite Tome: just go to Kamadan, Lion's Arch or Kaineng Center and you should be able to find someone selling an Elite Tome for ~5k or so, I'm not very good at prices but 5-10k most likely. You should really have managed to get 5-10k and as you progress you'll realize that 10k isn't much at all. Otherwise I personally hate that they placed all good elites really late into the campaigns, nothing as annoying as having to run yourself through an entire campaign with a shitty build. Personally I think the good and bad ones should be spread out more evenly so that you can't get all the good elites in the beginning, but neither are you forced to run with a shitty build through an entire campaign.

lorndarken · May 2009

Originally posted by Godliest

MM builds revolve around large amounts of corpses to exploit and build minion armies that the stupid AI will then target over your own team. Combined with Barbs and such you can do nice damage. In RA you'll get like one corpse, after that one side is already winning therefore you won't have a very large minion army. Additionally players won't keep attacking your minions like the stupid monsters but rather just go and blow up you. Additionally hexes such as barbs will be prioritized for removal making minions much less dangerous. For short minions are really PvE-only because of all the positive effects they have in PvE are reduced in PvP to almost nothing. The exception to that being Lichway in HA where you can shit out a pretty large amount of minions, but then again HA is where all the gimmicks works...
Regarding Elite Tome: just go to Kamadan, Lion's Arch or Kaineng Center and you should be able to find someone selling an Elite Tome for ~5k or so, I'm not very good at prices but 5-10k most likely. You should really have managed to get 5-10k and as you progress you'll realize that 10k isn't much at all. Otherwise I personally hate that they placed all good elites really late into the campaigns, nothing as annoying as having to run yourself through an entire campaign with a shitty build. Personally I think the good and bad ones should be spread out more evenly so that you can't get all the good elites in the beginning, but neither are you forced to run with a shitty build through an entire campaign.

i ask people in thoese towns if they have a elite tome, and 9 out of 10 times the answer comes up blank, or they want like 25k just for it.

for an mm build there is 2 ways i see it . the 1st way is simple

get yourself aura of the lich , use it with arcane echo and boom, you get 2 pets to start out with, keep them alive with blood of the master and parasite for your own health regain and you can then summon more pets , thus becoming a demi god out there for about a good 2-3 mins before your pets start to die out there and make sure you have a good healer of course

the 2nd way is to make your hero a mm, and they will do a 10X better job then you ever will . and to get your elites, just simple do some pvp , and buy them

the 3rd way is the approach i have been using and yes it is time consuming . get arcane mimmicry and have your mm hero have aotl and also slot in arcane echo . and bingo . 2 pets for you and you have to manuelly get two pets for your hero , since its AI is lacking in that department , it will only use pet summon to help flow, not chain like that.

Majinash · May 2009

some of us were MMs before we ever had an elite, before we had heroes, before aura of the lich was a MM elite. we did fine.

MM can actually be an amazing spec without any elites at all. just get 16 death magic, build up 10 minions and keep them alive. honestly I used only half my skillbar back in the day.

yes, the addition of heroes kind of screwed us over, as they can do the job so well. but we really don't need anything else, no one else is a Pve god like a MM, you just have to accept that the build isn't intended for PvP, like many other builds.

Lonesamurai1 · May 2009

Originally posted by Majinash

yes, the addition of heroes kind of screwed us over, as they can do the job so well. but we really don't need anything else, no one else is a Pve god like a MM

Fast cast ROJ Mesmer? thats godlike

Godliest · May 2009

Heroes are only really good at minion bombing really. Typically I just run something else on my Necro since MMing so tedious and boring and let the Necro heroes run the bitchroles, usually Discordway nowadays. Apart from that I really see people selling Elite Necro Tomes quite often, the thing is that you shouldn't whisper them and sound like a newb/noob by doing so - you should just say "WTS Elite Necro Tome" or check through the sellers if they are selling and for what price. Don't act like a beginner or people will take you for one and try to fool you.

Finally you could just go /A bring Assassin's Promise and Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support in combination with some mildly spiking team like Discordway and then just do Assassin's Promise -> Condition of choice ("You Move Like a Dwarf!" is an amazing skill for that) -> Ebon Vanguard Assassin Support and then damage skills (Cry of Pain, Necrosis, "Finish Him!") or other utility skills. Then just call spikes on PvE mobs and you should have a nice and lovely minion army of Vanguard Sins built up pretty fast, although they die pretty fast afterwards.

lorndarken · May 2009

to me its the best pet summoning abillty in the game for the necro and all intended purposes. but also its a elite spell that dosent mean its a make or break spell that you need unlike many other spell in the game are

maybe a new revised version to change one thing, that i cant see why people would be to upset with the idea of is

make the spell as it is but instead on a +1 to death magic, why not make it a +2 ???

at 16 death magic for a necromancer the pets themselfs will stand at lvl 18 ,

for the necromancer with the help of staff that drops off from the boss you have to kill for the flesh golom elite in factions has a 20% chance to go up 1+ death magic when casting spells. so this in return has a chance to summon a necro +1 their original spell.

if they were to make it a pluss 2 to death magic for the necromancers aotl .

at 16 death magic , with staff i mentioned and change to aotl being now +2 this would be a solid 18 and 19 by chance off of summon. and would not even get to becoming 20.

but if people wanted to get to 20 death magic. which imo would be impossible cause now its based off a % chance of working . this is what they would need to do.

make a staff and get the jacardos staff , and then ghials staff and craft it from there,

both have a +1 to death magic by 20% chance . if both were to proc at the same time when summoning. then that would be the only way for a necro to get 20 death magic.

Lonesamurai1 · May 2009

Originally posted by lorndarken
to me its the best pet summoning abillty in the game for the necro and all intended purposes. but also its a elite spell that dosent mean its a make or break spell that you need unlike many other spell in the game are
maybe a new revised version to change one thing, that i cant see why people would be to upset with the idea of is
make the spell as it is but instead on a +1 to death magic, why not make it a +2 ???
at 16 death magic for a necromancer the pets themselfs will stand at lvl 18 , no where near that of what a elementalist can get in their fire at 16
just use double draggon , the signet and +3 fire and bingo you have yourself a elementalist who would go from 16 fire to 20
for the necromancer with the help of staff that drops off from the boss you have to kill for the flesh golom elite in factions has a 20% chance to go up 1+ death magic when casting spells. so this in return has a chance to summon a necro +1 their original spell.
if they were to make it a pluss 2 to death magic for the necromancers aotl .
at 16 death magic , with staff i mentioned and change to aotl being now +2 this would be a solid 18 and 19 by chance off of summon. and would not even get to becoming 20.

but if people wanted to get to 20 death magic. which imo would be impossible cause now its based off a % chance of working . this is what they would need to do.
make a staff and get the jacardos staff , and then ghials staff and craft it from there,
both have a +1 to death magic by 20% chance . if both were to proc at the same time when summoning. then that would be the only way for a necro to get 20 death magic. while the elementalist can easily get 20 fire with out all the hassel

Ok, first off, there will NEVER be anymore skills for Guild Wars

all the developement cycles are time are now in Guild wars 2 apart from the Live team which is working on keeping Guild Wars balanced and from not falling apart

secondly there ARE ways of getting your Death Magic and other Attribute lines UPTO 21... and why not check out the wiki on how skills liek this work to see just how strong they can be: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Aura_of_the_Lich

Oh and thirdly? Skills are balanced around PvP 99% of the time and as Minion skills are fairly useless in PvP (no bodies) they balance things like this through PvE and this one works as is

however, if you think it needs changing, head over to Guild Wars guru and post a thread about your ideas and you'll get FAR MORE reasons why this is firstly a bad idea, and secondly, why it wouldn't work anyway

lorndarken · May 2009

Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

Originally posted by lorndarken

to me its the best pet summoning abillty in the game for the necro and all intended purposes. but also its a elite spell that dosent mean its a make or break spell that you need unlike many other spell in the game are

maybe a new revised version to change one thing, that i cant see why people would be to upset with the idea of is

make the spell as it is but instead on a +1 to death magic, why not make it a +2 ???

at 16 death magic for a necromancer the pets themselfs will stand at lvl 18 , no where near that of what a elementalist can get in their fire at 16

just use double draggon , the signet and +3 fire and bingo you have yourself a elementalist who would go from 16 fire to 20

for the necromancer with the help of staff that drops off from the boss you have to kill for the flesh golom elite in factions has a 20% chance to go up 1+ death magic when casting spells. so this in return has a chance to summon a necro +1 their original spell.

if they were to make it a pluss 2 to death magic for the necromancers aotl .

at 16 death magic , with staff i mentioned and change to aotl being now +2 this would be a solid 18 and 19 by chance off of summon. and would not even get to becoming 20.

but if people wanted to get to 20 death magic. which imo would be impossible cause now its based off a % chance of working . this is what they would need to do.

make a staff and get the jacardos staff , and then ghials staff and craft it from there,

both have a +1 to death magic by 20% chance . if both were to proc at the same time when summoning. then that would be the only way for a necro to get 20 death magic. while the elementalist can easily get 20 fire with out all the hassel

Ok, first off, there will NEVER be anymore skills for Guild Wars

all the developement cycles are time are now in Guild wars 2 apart from the Live team which is working on keeping Guild Wars balanced and from not falling apart

secondly there ARE ways of getting your Death Magic and other Attribute lines UPTO 21... and why not check out the wiki on how skills liek this work to see just how strong they can be: http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Aura_of_the_Lich

Oh and thirdly? Skills are balanced around PvP 99% of the time and as Minion skills are fairly useless in PvP (no bodies) they balance things like this through PvE and this one works as is

however, if you think it needs changing, head over to Guild Wars guru and post a thread about your ideas and you'll get FAR MORE reasons why this is firstly a bad idea, and secondly, why it wouldn't work anyway

well if there is ways to go from 16 originally all the way up to 21 ???? why not list them ?

cause as it stands right now . the highest you can go from what i know is

+1 head death magic , +3 necro -75 enchancement right now that would be at 16. , aotl +1 , crafted staff with ghails staff and jacardos staff both being +1 20% chance .

add that together and here is what you got . 19 . could ya name a few others im missing on how to go from 19 to 21 ?????

Lonesamurai1 · May 2009

Increasing attributes

Permanent increase

Attribute points supply a character's base, "raw" attribute level. An attribute can be raised to a maximum of 12 by spending ever-increasing amounts of attribute points.

Attribute points are the only way to permanently increase a secondary profession's attribute

Each attribute has a corresponding rune that can be used to add an attribute-increasing suffix to armor. Runes add 1-3 points to an attribute, though the 2 and 3 point runes come with a cost in maximum health.

Only the most powerful rune on the character is considered for each attribute the bonuses do not stack
As runes are restricted to the armor of their profession, only a character's primary profession attributes can be boosted in this manner

Headgear can also provide a +1 bonus to one of its profession's attributes.

Hero headgear and some common headgear will add to the attribute of whatever rune is applied to it, and will add nothing without a rune.

Chance of increase

Weapons can have upgrades which give a chance to use a skill at a higher attribute level each time a skill is used.

"Master of My Domain!" inscription or equivalent inherent mod: Item's attribute +1 (Chance: 11...20%)
of <Attribute> suffixes: Attribute +1 (10...20% chance while using skills):
of Mastery suffixes: Item's attribute +1 (10...20% chance while using skills)

Temporary increase

There are skills available that can provide a temporary enhancement to certain attributes.

Glyph of Elemental Power: (glyph) +2 to all elemental attributes for the next 10 spells or 25 seconds
Elemental Lord: (enchantment) +1 to all elemental attributes for 40...56...60 seconds (PvE only)
Double Dragon: (spell) +0...2...2 to Fire Magic for 10...22...25 seconds
Awaken the Blood: (enchantment) +2 to Blood Magic and Curses for 20...39...44 seconds
Aura of the Lich: (enchantment) +1 to Death Magic for 5...37...45 seconds
Expert's Dexterity: (stance) +2 to Marksmanship for 1...16...20 seconds
Trapper's Focus: (preparation) +0...2...2 to Wilderness Survival for 12...22...24 seconds

Several blessings provide a +1 bonus to one or several attributes.

In explorable areas, there are statues to the old gods where one can kneel to summon an avatar when the world has the favor of the gods. These avatars will give blessings for a donation of gold
All attribute blessings cost 150 and last 30 minutes or until zoning
In the Prophecies campaign areas of Tyria, the gods offer a different set of blessings that does not include attribute bonuses

In PvE, one can find consumables that increase all attributes by one.

Golden Egg (5 minutes)
Candy Corn (10 minutes)
Grail of Might (30 minutes, party wide, has other effects)

Decreasing attributes

Aside from removing attribute points from a skill while in a town or outpost, there are few effects that decrease a character's attributes -- all of them temporary.

Weakness: (condition) Decreases all attributes by 1.
Atrophy: (hex) Decreases primary attribute to 0 for 3...6...7 seconds.
Wail of Doom: (hex) Decreases all attributes to 0 for 1...3...4 seconds.
When riding in a Junundu or in a Norn Form such as Ursan, characters have their primary attribute set to zero.

Notes

There is a hard attribute cap at 20: no combination of effects can raise an attribute above this; however 20% +1 items can temporarily bypass this cap.
Skills and Attributes Panel will show boosted attributes as blue numbers and reduced attributes as red numbers.

lorndarken · May 2009

thanks man, i just wish i knew the other pieces i need for crafting a staff like that to get me up to 21 in death magic.

do you know by any chance ?

Lonesamurai1 · May 2009

Originally posted by lorndarken
thanks man, i just wish i knew the other pieces i need for crafting a staff like that to get me up to 21 in death magic.
do you know by any chance ?

plenty of wiki links already in this thread, have a look at crafter links on there

lorndarken · May 2009

Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

Originally posted by lorndarken

thanks man, i just wish i knew the other pieces i need for crafting a staff like that to get me up to 21 in death magic.

do you know by any chance ?

plenty of wiki links already in this thread, have a look at crafter links on there

all that cannot be found

Gennadios · May 2009

Originally posted by lorndarken

Originally posted by Lonesamurai1

Originally posted by lorndarken

thanks man, i just wish i knew the other pieces i need for crafting a staff like that to get me up to 21 in death magic.

do you know by any chance ?

plenty of wiki links already in this thread, have a look at crafter links on there

all that cannot be found

12 base

+1 Head gear

+3 Sup. rune

+1 Aura of the Lich

+1 staff mod (20% chance)

+1 candied apple

+1 golden egg

+1 lunar fortune (small chance of getting the +1 bonus)

+1 grail of might

+1 shrine bonus(only during favor of the gods)

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That makes it a hypotehtical max of 23. If you remove the highly random or time sensitive condition items like the staff mod, lunar fortune, and favor, you're left with 20.

Only the first 5 items on the list can be gained in PvP, which maxe the hypothetical max 18.

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