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ive got to give props to mmorpg.com for the way they handled Darkfall
Staatsschutz
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Ive been a follower of darkfall for a long time now, was in the beta, though during the beta i decided id wait some more before i get the retail version (i have still not gotten it atm im stuck with eve, and im still waiting some more and checking every now and then how the game goes)
however, im a casual visitor of mmorpg.com. although im browsing through mmorpg.com on a weekly or bi-weekly basis, i never liked this site, and i didnt have a high opinion of mmorpg.com either, until now.
i must say the people from Mmorpg.com showed alot of professionalism in how they wrote about darkfall. First off, they played the game and THEN made their reviews, not the other way around. And then they did it unbiased and objective.
as for the lastest eurogamer review: even from what ive seen in the beta (and the game has even improved since then from what i hear), a score of 2/10 wouldnt be justified.
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MMORPG.com has not done a review. All the pieces you see here are opinion pieces done by fans of the game, or plucked from the fan forums here to write.
Hardly a case for an "unbiased" review, especially because they are not reviews. As confirmed by the editor of this site.
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i find myself watching the authenticity of the claims against Eurogamer as a sad detraction from the fact I felt they were right. On what ethical grounds can AV stand when it comes to privacy now? What if the reviewer was simply using another account? Who are we to say or know, this is violation of privacy at its worst........you can't just expose information like that when you have access to people's credit cards.
AV has shown time and time again to be a very poor business. I would not give these guys any (more) information. I dislike their product, their community and their amateurism.
MMORPG has not yet done a review on Darkfall.
You can find many articles and previews about it here and on the internet though.
But yeah, they are not ignorantly bashing the game with incorrect or misleading facts, so props to MMORPG.com
Yep, no review from MMORPG.com yet, probably waiting until the game 'releases'
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This matter has absolutely nothing to do with privacy regarding credit card information.
As journalists, we know that the accounts given to us by game companies for the purpose of reviewing (as appears to have been teh case here) are tracked. This is very standard practice and, among other things, provides companies with a safeguard against reviews that aren't based on gameplay. Now, I'm not coming down on one side or the other as to who played what and who's right or wrong. That's not for me to say, but a company publically discussing the use of free press accounts is miles and miles and miles away from a privacy issue for subscribers.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
Your first sentence seems a bit contradictory to your subsequent statements. You acknowledge that the claims are correct and that the review was poorly done. Then you say that the correctness of the claims, and therefore the lack of quality and credibility of the interview is a distraction/detratction from the fact that you felt the review was correct. What your words seem to be communicating is that you wanted to believe the review, but are upset that you can't believe the review anymore because the people attacking it are correct. Is that what you meant? If that's not what you meant, you might want to edit it a bit.
Exactly what "private" information revealed do you feel was so unethical under the circumstances? You're a bit vague on that count. Are you upset that they revealed the amount of time played or the fact that most of the time was spent in the character creation screen? Why would a reviewer use a different account? The time played for both of the accounts that were specifically given to Eurogamer for the review were mentioned. If the reviewer was using a different account, wouldn't he have been in violation of the license given to Eurogamer? That would seem a bit more unethical than revealing time played, so it's a very specious argument.
If you want to attack AV's poor PR, inability to update its website, etc., you would have some strong and valid points that most people would have a hard time disputing. I myself think Tasos is an ass. However, when you say you dislike something you don't claim to have tried and don't really give any reasons for disliking (and especially in light of your initial sentence), you don't really lend yourself or your statements an aura of credibility.
This matter has absolutely nothing to do with privacy regarding credit card information.
As journalists, we know that the accounts given to us by game companies for the purpose of reviewing (as appears to have been teh case here) are tracked. This is very standard practice and, among other things, provides companies with a safeguard against reviews that aren't based on gameplay. Now, I'm not coming down on one side or the other as to who played what and who's right or wrong. That's not for me to say, but a company publically discussing the use of free press accounts is miles and miles and miles away from a privacy issue for subscribers.
Nice information to share. Ignorance sometimes is the reason we troll against something, and this can probably be the case when you believe there was a privacy breach when professional reviewing comes with these mechanisms. Reviews are not meant to bash a game, but to enlighten their readers in what to expect from a game, good AND bad points.
It's definitely not troll or fanboy food.
This matter has absolutely nothing to do with privacy regarding credit card information.
As journalists, we know that the accounts given to us by game companies for the purpose of reviewing (as appears to have been teh case here) are tracked. This is very standard practice and, among other things, provides companies with a safeguard against reviews that aren't based on gameplay. Now, I'm not coming down on one side or the other as to who played what and who's right or wrong. That's not for me to say, but a company publically discussing the use of free press accounts is miles and miles and miles away from a privacy issue for subscribers.
point taken i didnt know that was part of the reviewing culture. I retract everything I said about privacy. i'm not doing very well at articulating my feelings on this game today so I'll go outside and walk in the rain instead.
well then they werent an official review from mmorpg.com, this doesnt matter to me. For ppl not knowing this site so well, having the reviews officially linked on their start site, counts for me as an official review since visitors will view it as an official review, so did i. simply because of not knowing who is an official reviewer and who is not.
There is no such thing as an unbiased review, only unbiased previews. Once someone has played a game and formed an opinion of it and writes about their experience with he game it is a review. It may not be the "official" review of MMORPG.COM, but any write up by any other name is still a review. Now you may not agree with the review or trust the reviewer, but it is what it is.
i swear you are the most butthurt mmo'er.....did darkfall kill your family or something?
Currently Playing: Fallen Earth
Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO
Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
hint: If it says: General Article, Interview, Editorial, Guide or anything other than Review... it's not a review, it's an article.
Cheers,
Jon Wood
Managing Editor
MMORPG.com
sorry, I had to ^^
Everything creates huge amounts of negativity on the internet, that's what the internet is for: Negativity, porn and lolcats.
yes they did! those bastards!!! ILL GET YOU EUROGAMER!!!!!!
Currently Playing: Fallen Earth
Played and liked: TCOS, Vanguard, Guild Wars, DDO
Played and didn't like: CO, MO, STO, DF, AoC, WAR, WoW, EQ2, EVE, most f2p
Waiting for: Earthrise, Guild Wars 2, Secret World
The more I think about it, the more I realize it may be more an issue of cultural differences, at least that's what is being played out by the general community.
Eurogamer and Adventurine, are two sets of professionals. Eurogamer's entire business is wrapped up in the reputation of it's reviewers. Adventurine's is wrapped up in Tasos'. The problem came when Tasos decided to go public with his frustrations, instead of discreetly clarifying the issue with Eurogamer management. It reeked of a school yard bully being punched back, and running to his mommy for solace. That seems to be the impression a lot of people have of Tasos, after the public release of the situation. Remember, Adventurine rests on Tasos' good name, and right now it isn't good.
As far as the privacy issue is concerned, as John stated earlier- it is common place in the business. In fact, one would worry about the other's creditentials if they didn't take such policies for granted. The only people that seem really miffed about the possible privacy issues, are stateside. The US is night and day from europe (of which both parties in conflict belong) in regards to perceptions of privacy. Whereas a statesider might raise hell about it, a euro (and eastern euros more so) will typically respond with "and your point is....?" Such is my own response to that...
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Tried- L2, Ryzom, WAR, DDO, PWI, Tab Rasa, Requiem, Champs, AA, JD, PWI, SUN, Dawntide
Played- SWG (pre-cu), AoC, VG, WoW, LoTRO,CoX, EQ2, DAOC, GW, PotBS, Aion, MO,APB, NASA, Fallen Earth, DCUO, Rift
Playing- EVE, Black Prophecy, TOR
Waiting for- Tera, Jumpgate Evo, WH40K, WWE, WOD, TSW
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"Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," Double Fine President Tim Schafer said. "Oh great, now Beyonce is going to sue me too."
hint: If it says: General Article, Interview, Editorial, Guide or anything other than Review... it's not a review, it's an article.
Also to add to that, they make it really easy. Look at the person's avatar. If it has it's own color in the box, they are staff and what they write will be "official". There are also usually professional sounding titles associated with their name, such as "Managing Editor". And if the reader is STILL scratching their head, chances are staff are the only ones with a full bar of stars, because well.. they are the most dedicated to the website :P
Usually for the remotely observant individuals, they can discern staff from members, and thus deduce official from unofficial.
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Tried- L2, Ryzom, WAR, DDO, PWI, Tab Rasa, Requiem, Champs, AA, JD, PWI, SUN, Dawntide
Played- SWG (pre-cu), AoC, VG, WoW, LoTRO,CoX, EQ2, DAOC, GW, PotBS, Aion, MO,APB, NASA, Fallen Earth, DCUO, Rift
Playing- EVE, Black Prophecy, TOR
Waiting for- Tera, Jumpgate Evo, WH40K, WWE, WOD, TSW
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"Hey, if Activision liked it, then they should have put a ring on it," Double Fine President Tim Schafer said. "Oh great, now Beyonce is going to sue me too."
First off I think it is great that MMORPG.COM has allowed writers to post their thoughts on the game on this site. It is good to see different viewpoints of a game from the various commentators.
Secondly it is pretty obvious to anyone that this game is still in beta despite claims by the developer. Limited server, constant patches, if this does not scream still in beta, I don't know what does.
When they start opening the game up to the general population and adding more servers, that will be a time for a review.
My opinion from playing the game says they have a long way to go to get a decent review on this game, I would be hard put to asign it a 5, but then again it is still in beta.