However,i agree the community seems quite immature at least in beta.I hope i the live version it got better.
Also,it is far from original .In beta i found nothing i have not seen in another mmorpg in some other form.But maybe the saying"if it aren't broken don't try and fix it" applies.
If something worked for game A then just leave it be in game B.So really this definately not a next generation mmorpg in any sense.
Some other minor flaws like but overall a good mmorpg as long as the community maturity has improved.I will probably still buy it when it comes to UK in feb 2005 and see for myself after all its only £23
All I can say is that WOW is the first MMO I've played and its alot of fun. I have found the scenery to be beautiful and epic. People make a big deal about graphics in games but ask yourself does graphics make it fun? No, gamplay does. Graphics help with the immersion, just like sound does as well. If gameplay is bad then the game is bad no matter how pretty.
I found the gameplay so far to be a little repetitive but not annoying though and the lighting and combat is alot of fun. I also really like the cute little emotes that are out there as well (choo choo is riot especially when people follow you around in a chain). Anyway just a couple of random thoughts...
I am not going to grind into your skulls what everyone else has been saying (good wise, no hater here) but the key aspect that makes me love this game is the gameplay. The gameplay in WoW is fast and really enjoyable. The triat system and skill trees add a whole lot of depth. When you get to about lvl 7 with all the new skills/spells the combat gets amazing. The mount system is great and so is the underwater questing (try fighting underwater). This is just adding what everyone else missed good wise. PLUS you can jump.
Servanos Aerik Of The Chapter Vanguard , Ranger/necromancer "My honor is my life" HONOR AT WAR While evil turns upon itself, Good shines through the darkness, Justice Shall Prevale|
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Originally posted by Nemonyte WoW seems to have figured out their initial server problems. But I have to say the game is far from perfect. The things I like least is that grouping is not rewarded. If you fight alone you get more experience from a creature than if you fight in a group. This does not encourage people to group. There are little to no Community building quests or activities as yet. Hopefully when world events come into play, we will see some community building. Reality is not all it's cracked up to be...That's why there are video games
Yes grouping doesn't really start to pay off unless you want quests done earlier til at least level 20+.
Anoyendie, NE war (17) of the Stress Test guild; ST1. Elderwand, UD WL (16) of the Yeben Rellik guild; ST2. Thunbarador, Orc war (17) of the Yeben Rellik guild; OB.
Originally posted by EQFanboy One thing i find bad about wow is the fact that you can slap the word blizzard on eq 1 and people will buy it..
This is actually sorta true. I mean why does WoW excite you? Isn't part of because its made by blizzard and part of it is because it connects with War3? If you slap blizzard's name on anything, people will look to see wut it is...until that is, they play it.
and no im not a EQ fannie. imma proud DnL fannie.
www.darknlight.com www.darknlight.net ^3rd generation mmorpg, not WoW or EQII with just their betta graphics, dis game is for everyone, whether ur a grinder, quester, group exper, w/e.
I trust Blizzard more. I have yet to be totally screwed by Blizzard like I have via SOE. After SWG and that whole episode with people boycotting the WOD(?) the most recent if I remember right.... due to the new gfx glitches I have little respect for SOE.
That's it I mean I like Blizzard's stories but they were RTS mostly not MMO's.
I suck at RTS.
Anoyendie, NE war (17) of the Stress Test guild; ST1. Elderwand, UD WL (16) of the Yeben Rellik guild; ST2. Thunbarador, Orc war (17) of the Yeben Rellik guild; OB.
I played WoW beta for several months and now I'm stuck on EQ2 like I wasn't in WoW beta.
I didn't want to buy EQ2. When I got into the WoW beta I was super excited. I logged in and spent a good deal of my time in game for a few weeks. I had a lot of fun, but found that soloing was not only possible, it was better. A lot better. Groups always slowed me down. As mentioned before, a lot of the people in game were jerks or just childish. I figured as I got to higher levels that would change, but it didn't. I was disappointed, and that's an understatement. The game was way too easy. With little or no effort I was gaining levels very fast, and getting more and more bored doing it. Stats and talents were spelled out for you 100%, and there was no excitement in selecting your path. You look at damage, figure out what you can do to not gimp yourself, and that's all there is to it. You know what all your spells are and exactly what they are going to do right off the bat. There's no test this try that experimentation like there is in EQ2.
After the long raids and huge investment required to get advancement past average in EQ1, I was really not looking forward to buying it. I didn't want to give them any more of my money. SWG was a nightmare of boredom and bland emptiness, and EQ2 seemed to be integrating many of those same aspects from what I could tell.
Then I bought EQ2. All I can say is that the addiction, excitement, and mystery was back. All the things that WoW wasn't able to do for me, and the things I always loved about EQ1, without a lot of what I didn't like. None of the problems I had with WoW are in EQ2. The only drawback is zoning, but I understand the reasons for it's implementation, and it's a worthy tradeoff imho for a game I can really fall in love with again. Of course it's largely personal preference, but that's just my two cents right now. Many people's opinions may change after a few months, but unfortunately it didn't take me that long to lose my enthusiasm for WoW.
Whichever game you choose, have fun!!
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
supergeek said "it only took me 3 hours to get to level 4"? If you know all there is to know you should be level 10+ in 3 hours. And even if you didn't know all there is to know you should at least be level 6(getting to level 6 is the least I would expect of anyone who's ever played computer games to accomplish in 3 hours). Your post is a lie. You never played WoW. Now I will continue by stating answers to all the things people seem to think are completely wrong with WoW:
STATEMENT 1: It's too easy.
ANSWER 1: It's as easy as you make it. You can go on and kill non-elites or expectionals, get cruddy equipment from them, kill more of them, not do any elite quests or anything you can't get through, reach level 40 and say: "This game sucks, I haven't had to group at all and I'm already lvl 40!" The thing is... It probably took you quite some time (80 hours minimum I'd say) grinding to get where you are. You'd probably lose to anyone who'd been grouping thru instances in a duel just because of their equipment. And you really wouldn't have had much fun because your only agenda was to grind to level 40.
Had you been grouping instances and elite quests, communicating with people (perhaps setting up a small guild on the fly), and actually tried to make your experience more diverse, you would have succeeded. It's just that many mmorpgs really don't have the option for you to look around the game world for cool quests(apparently nobody's mentioned the many "protect the moving NPC" quests that are exceptionally tough at later levels and really require planning) and items (blizzard knows their items: so many nice items with their own personal look to go around).
STATEMENT 2: The community sucks. ANSWER 2: Been answered many times here. Read the fanboi posts (including mine) about the /ignore function (I never had to use it in OB although I had a high level guy(the highest level on horde side) that gathered many private messages through his travels in low level zones). Many couples like to play it because it's very easy to get into and easy to log out of. If stupid people really bother you that much, you mustn't spend too much time out of your house because there are a lot of them to go around IRL.
STATEMENT 3: You don't need to group at all... It should be called MSORPG. Teehehee. ANSWER 3: Again... If you want the über loot and quest rewards you will have to find a group. Killing elite monsters a bit below your level 1v1 is possible for many classes, but takes a long time. Many times elites are stickied together as well, and taking two or more down by yourself is just unmanageable.
Getting together a group was not difficult for me: Make perfectly sensible comments in general chat about what you are doing and you will get perfectly sensible responses from people wanting to join you. Wait outside instances if you can't bear general chat and people will come to you. If someone in your group sucks/loots all, tell it to them subtly and ask for them to improve their gaming or get out of the party, or tell the party leader to do this, he has supreme control. Getting one party member more is not such a big deal, especially with the population on the servers. If you feel your entire group sucks but haven't gotten killed yet, don't leave the group. Once an elite mob wipes his hiney with you, leave the party.
STATEMENT 4: The graphics suck. ANSWER 4: I thought we had gotten over this bit here. Anyone who's ever played WoW will know that the graphics do NOT suck. They are in fact some of the most consistant graphics seen in a game up to date. If you don't like cartoons... You're missing out on something good.
STATEMENT 5: The game doesn't have enough high level content!!! ANSWER 5: And just how do you know this? The game isn't over when you reach level 60. Nor is it over when everyone is lvl 60. PvP raids, PvE raids (takes 6 full lvl 60 raid groups to kill some bosses), new equipment (I've never seen a red item on any website and red isn't even the best, orange is) many will push themselves to get the absolutely best equipment for PvP and PvE. Blizzard has made some huge promises about high level content, not to mention the fact that Northrend isn't even included in the game yet (And it WILL most definitely unless someone picks up an uzi and kills all blizzard staff because their son/daughter has become too addicted to computer games).
STATEMENT 5: The lag is so bad. The launch was bad. Oh blizard is screwing us. ANSWER 5: Wait a while for the beer to brew . The launch is the biggest in MMORPG(or MSORPG history. Teeheheehehee iamcleverhahahaha) history.
Hope that cleared some issues. If you still have something to flame about post it after this and WoW fanbois like myself will be sure to answer.
Originally posted by Babbuun supergeek said "it only took me 3 hours to get to level 4"? If you know all there is to know you should be level 10+ in 3 hours. And even if you didn't know all there is to know you should at least be level 6(getting to level 6 is the least I would expect of anyone who's ever played computer games to accomplish in 3 hours). Your post is a lie. You never played WoW. Now I will continue by stating answers to all the things people seem to think are completely wrong with WoW: STATEMENT 1: It's too easy. ANSWER 1: It's as easy as you make it. You can go on and kill non-elites or expectionals, get cruddy equipment from them, kill more of them, not do any elite quests or anything you can't get through, reach level 40 and say: "This game sucks, I haven't had to group at all and I'm already lvl 40!" The thing is... It probably took you quite some time (80 hours minimum I'd say) grinding to get where you are. You'd probably lose to anyone who'd been grouping thru instances in a duel just because of their equipment. And you really wouldn't have had much fun because your only agenda was to grind to level 40. Had you been grouping instances and elite quests, communicating with people (perhaps setting up a small guild on the fly), and actually tried to make your experience more diverse, you would have succeeded. It's just that many mmorpgs really don't have the option for you to look around the game world for cool quests(apparently nobody's mentioned the many "protect the moving NPC" quests that are exceptionally tough at later levels and really require planning) and items (blizzard knows their items: so many nice items with their own personal look to go around). STATEMENT 2: The community sucks. ANSWER 2: Been answered many times here. Read the fanboi posts (including mine) about the /ignore function (I never had to use it in OB although I had a high level guy(the highest level on horde side) that gathered many private messages through his travels in low level zones). Many couples like to play it because it's very easy to get into and easy to log out of. If stupid people really bother you that much, you mustn't spend too much time out of your house because there are a lot of them to go around IRL. STATEMENT 3: You don't need to group at all... It should be called MSORPG. Teehehee. ANSWER 3: Again... If you want the über loot and quest rewards you will have to find a group. Killing elite monsters a bit below your level 1v1 is possible for many classes, but takes a long time. Many times elites are stickied together as well, and taking two or more down by yourself is just unmanageable. Getting together a group was not difficult for me: Make perfectly sensible comments in general chat about what you are doing and you will get perfectly sensible responses from people wanting to join you. Wait outside instances if you can't bear general chat and people will come to you. If someone in your group sucks/loots all, tell it to them subtly and ask for them to improve their gaming or get out of the party, or tell the party leader to do this, he has supreme control. Getting one party member more is not such a big deal, especially with the population on the servers. If you feel your entire group sucks but haven't gotten killed yet, don't leave the group. Once an elite mob wipes his hiney with you, leave the party. STATEMENT 4: The graphics suck. ANSWER 4: I thought we had gotten over this bit here. Anyone who's ever played WoW will know that the graphics do NOT suck. They are in fact some of the most consistant graphics seen in a game up to date. If you don't like cartoons... You're missing out on something good. STATEMENT 5: The game doesn't have enough high level content!!! ANSWER 5: And just how do you know this? The game isn't over when you reach level 60. Nor is it over when everyone is lvl 60. PvP raids, PvE raids (takes 6 full lvl 60 raid groups to kill some bosses), new equipment (I've never seen a red item on any website and red isn't even the best, orange is) many will push themselves to get the absolutely best equipment for PvP and PvE. Blizzard has made some huge promises about high level content, not to mention the fact that Northrend isn't even included in the game yet (And it WILL most definitely unless someone picks up an uzi and kills all blizzard staff because their son/daughter has become too addicted to computer games). STATEMENT 5: The lag is so bad. The launch was bad. Oh blizard is screwing us. ANSWER 5: Wait a while for the beer to brew . The launch is the biggest in MMORPG(or MSORPG history. Teeheheehehee iamcleverhahahaha) history. Hope that cleared some issues. If you still have something to flame about post it after this and WoW fanbois like myself will be sure to answer.
Statement 1: I soloed elites. It didn't take 80 hours to get to level 40, it took 20. 90% solo. I averaged 2 levels per hour. I did some elite quests, and if I hadn't had to get those groups, I probalby would have hit 40 in 15 hours. Easy as you make it? Please. You can make an easy game hard by being poor at it. You can't make a hard game easy by sucking. An easy game is an easy game, period. Don't pretend you know me just because your experience is different.
Statement 2: I thought I made it clear that I have played many many MMO games. If not, here's the list. EQ. SWG. AO. DAOC. Horizons. AC2. MxO beta. WoW Beta. Shadowbane. You might think adding someone to your ignore list every 20 minutes is par for the course. It's not, and some in game behaviors can't be ignored, as I explained them above.
Statement 3: I have worked with groups, and I know how to deal with people. I have made polite suggestions, subtle suggestions, hints, I have asked politely, explained the reason for, and done everything under the sun in several groups to get people to do their job and not make the group suck. They didn't listen, and not just half the time, every time. 90% of the groups had some clueless gimp in it, and not a one of them would take suggestions, hints or anything else. They're rude, and they suck, and the game isn't even hard.
Statement 4: Totally subjective. Look at the screenshots, make up your mind.
Statement 5: Launch issues are common to most MMOs, and people only mention it because the fanbois claimed Blizz would be 100% prepared. I give them 80% prepared, which is darn good for a company's first MMO.
The lag and login issues will go away, but the rest of the issues were too big for me personally, and I don't see them going away. Just don't pretend they don't exist. It's fine to say that it's not your experience, but you're flaming when you claim I'm wrong or it's my fault for having experienced it. I've played many MMOs before, and never had this many issues with the community before. It's paramount and very disappointing. However, since I don't like the game, I'm glad if it attacts more peopel with that attitude, since I won't be playing it. To each his ownl
Most of the people I know who played in the WoW beta had the same experience as I did, and we're all now having a blast in another game. Of course, we are all over age 20, so maybe we're not your average MMO player.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
1. There was a /played command. Did you use it? Can you honestly tell me you got to lvl 40 in 20 hours? Swear it on the holy book?
2. I have also played GW beta, SWG, AO, RYL beta(wish I never had... Now that was a miserable community for a miserbale game), Ragnarok (again a miserable community), Neocron2 beta and DaOC trial (was a miserable trial because the trial servers were empty). I've also played MUDs and tried EQ2, Lineage II, EQ1 and FFXI at a buddie's. I honestly do not think there was anything about the WoW community I would even consider quitting over. Not at the best times (when no single noob had anything to say because everything was going off without a hinch), nor the bad times (when general chat was getting battered with complaints or some guy personally flamed me).
3. Personally I made the best friends and groups while group leader. With a firm hand I told a person: do that once more and you're out. They disobeyed, and I kicked them. Beleive me when I say I made many a good group with this tactique. If this did not work for you, I'm surprised.
4. Agreed about any opinion being subjective here. Don't agree about the screenshot part. Screenshots don't make a game, fluent animation and gameplay do. Fluent gameplay graphics all the way in WoW.
5. Blizz should indeed have seen this coming. But it was in fact the publisher, Vivendi, that pushed out the absolute release date so they could roll in the cheques for their employees at christmas time while blizzard works their bums off to fix the server and latency problems not to mention moderating personal attacks, offensive names, etc.
Good that you have the same opinions and preferences with your friends, and I can see logic in the frustration behind all these statements. To you they're true, to me they're not. Just don't go around pushing subjective half-truths out.
Looks like my opinions are the thoughts of a majority for once. So this is how it feels like.
Originally posted by Babbuun supergeek said "it only took me 3 hours to get to level 4"? If you know all there is to know you should be level 10+ in 3 hours. And even if you didn't know all there is to know you should at least be level 6(getting to level 6 is the least I would expect of anyone who's ever played computer games to accomplish in 3 hours). Your post is a lie. You never played WoW. Now I will continue by stating answers to all the things people seem to think are completely wrong with WoW: STATEMENT 1: It's too easy. ANSWER 1: It's as easy as you make it. You can go on and kill non-elites or expectionals, get cruddy equipment from them, kill more of them, not do any elite quests or anything you can't get through, reach level 40 and say: "This game sucks, I haven't had to group at all and I'm already lvl 40!" The thing is... It probably took you quite some time (80 hours minimum I'd say) grinding to get where you are. You'd probably lose to anyone who'd been grouping thru instances in a duel just because of their equipment. And you really wouldn't have had much fun because your only agenda was to grind to level 40. Had you been grouping instances and elite quests, communicating with people (perhaps setting up a small guild on the fly), and actually tried to make your experience more diverse, you would have succeeded. It's just that many mmorpgs really don't have the option for you to look around the game world for cool quests(apparently nobody's mentioned the many "protect the moving NPC" quests that are exceptionally tough at later levels and really require planning) and items (blizzard knows their items: so many nice items with their own personal look to go around). STATEMENT 2: The community sucks. ANSWER 2: Been answered many times here. Read the fanboi posts (including mine) about the /ignore function (I never had to use it in OB although I had a high level guy(the highest level on horde side) that gathered many private messages through his travels in low level zones). Many couples like to play it because it's very easy to get into and easy to log out of. If stupid people really bother you that much, you mustn't spend too much time out of your house because there are a lot of them to go around IRL. STATEMENT 3: You don't need to group at all... It should be called MSORPG. Teehehee. ANSWER 3: Again... If you want the über loot and quest rewards you will have to find a group. Killing elite monsters a bit below your level 1v1 is possible for many classes, but takes a long time. Many times elites are stickied together as well, and taking two or more down by yourself is just unmanageable. Getting together a group was not difficult for me: Make perfectly sensible comments in general chat about what you are doing and you will get perfectly sensible responses from people wanting to join you. Wait outside instances if you can't bear general chat and people will come to you. If someone in your group sucks/loots all, tell it to them subtly and ask for them to improve their gaming or get out of the party, or tell the party leader to do this, he has supreme control. Getting one party member more is not such a big deal, especially with the population on the servers. If you feel your entire group sucks but haven't gotten killed yet, don't leave the group. Once an elite mob wipes his hiney with you, leave the party. STATEMENT 4: The graphics suck. ANSWER 4: I thought we had gotten over this bit here. Anyone who's ever played WoW will know that the graphics do NOT suck. They are in fact some of the most consistant graphics seen in a game up to date. If you don't like cartoons... You're missing out on something good. STATEMENT 5: The game doesn't have enough high level content!!! ANSWER 5: And just how do you know this? The game isn't over when you reach level 60. Nor is it over when everyone is lvl 60. PvP raids, PvE raids (takes 6 full lvl 60 raid groups to kill some bosses), new equipment (I've never seen a red item on any website and red isn't even the best, orange is) many will push themselves to get the absolutely best equipment for PvP and PvE. Blizzard has made some huge promises about high level content, not to mention the fact that Northrend isn't even included in the game yet (And it WILL most definitely unless someone picks up an uzi and kills all blizzard staff because their son/daughter has become too addicted to computer games). STATEMENT 5: The lag is so bad. The launch was bad. Oh blizard is screwing us. ANSWER 5: Wait a while for the beer to brew . The launch is the biggest in MMORPG(or MSORPG history. Teeheheehehee iamcleverhahahaha) history. Hope that cleared some issues. If you still have something to flame about post it after this and WoW fanbois like myself will be sure to answer.
My post is a lie? Or are you in denial as your pathetically try to defend your sorry excuse of an MMO? I have plenty of friends who have poured in extensive hours into the beta and now in the retail version. One of the best in the group complained how if he hadn't had to go to the store with another friend to pick up WoW for him he would have been near level 20 in about 10 hours of play. That's 1/3 of the levels needed to reach the cap in half a day?! Are you kidding me? What kind of MMO is this? Oh gee what a surprise, look back at what I said... WoW IS E A S Y.
I asked him just now is grouping necessary and he told me if you want to hinder yourself and conversate with 15 year-olds... sure. The game does not require you to group and in fact it makes the game less enjoyable when you do. Wasn't this supposed to be an MMO? A massively-MULTIPLAYER online RPG? With all this soloing, you might as well play by yourself in an offline game...
I am a FFXI player with friends who enjoy both that game and EQ1 and 2 tremendously. They enjoy these games because it has a rich, deep, sophisticated, and multi-dimensional gameplay. In FFXI you have jobs which takes months to level but as you go up in level you'll realize not only different strategies with your job but also its relationship with other jobs and how you and other people can work together in various situations. Factor in subjobs, and you have 15 jobs interchangeable with each other in a party of 6 or more, think of the possiblities. But WoW on the other hand just allows you to up the job at blinding speeds to the level cap then switch to another brand new character and up another job. There is community aspect to it, it's a very self-centric gameplay environment that promotes nothing but solo play. It doesn't matter what type of gear you have by doing "elite" quests like you mentioned, in the end you're playing by yourself most of the time and that's what's sad about it. Like I said, WoW's strongest aspect is also its downfall. I don't BS, I back up everything I say with facts unlike your subjective comments. I don't need to pour hours into WoW because I have a good understanding of what an MMO should be and I already predicted WoW's gameplay flaws ever since Blizzard released their design journals and FAQs detailing the game.
It's a kid's MMO, it's a Diablo player's MMO, it should've been renamed "My First Diablo MMO". And for your information I posted a very reasonable impression of my game without flaming anybody. It's a couple of you who took my comments and turned it upon yourself as an insult and went apesh*t. Get your heads out of your asses and take a good look at what WoW is competing against. I'm so glad I still play FFXI and my friends support great games like the EQ series. I feel sorry for whoever waited years for WoW because they're ignorant and frankly don't know any better when it comes to MMO... then again it is their first...
Bring on the flames, I would like to hear more of your subjective defenses.
1. There was a /played command. Did you use it? Can you honestly tell me you got to lvl 40 in 20 hours? Swear it on the holy book?
In spite of the fact that my /played screen (thanks to Cosmos) showed that I had travelled 65% of my gaming hours on my main toon, I did indeed make 2 levels per hour. No, I didn't play to 40 on any toon. I made it to level 35 in about 17 hours. It would have been tough to get to level 40 in 20, no doubt, but I still think that's way too fast, and it was way too easy to do being a complete newb on that character from day 1, it should have taken me longer to figure out. I'm a big fan of needing a long time to figure everything out. I didn't get that, so I stand behind my assertion that it's too easy. If I hadn't needed to travel 65% of my time trying to find an area with decent groups and more quests to do, one can only assume that I easily would have made 40 in 20 hours though.
No, I didn't threaten to kick people from groups for screwing up and wiping us or just plain slowing us down. Should I have to?
Everyone's experience will be different. My point is that I have seen a lot, and it's not like my opinion was formulated after only playing for a few hours. I put a lot of time in, tried many different things, and unfortunately was still not able to keep the original excitement I had for the game. Nothing more, nothing less. I know many people are loving the game right now. I hope it stays that way for them. I really do.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
What I was implying was that you had NOT played wow at your friend's house for 3 hours and gotten to lvl4. Of course it is an easy way to make your whole comment obsolete and I apologize. Perhaps there were some nice flames in your fire.
Originally posted by Noubourne 1. There was a /played command. Did you use it? Can you honestly tell me you got to lvl 40 in 20 hours? Swear it on the holy book? In spite of the fact that my /played screen (thanks to Cosmos) showed that I had travelled 65% of my gaming hours on my main toon, I did indeed make 2 levels per hour. No, I didn't play to 40 on any toon. I made it to level 35 in about 17 hours. It would have been tough to get to level 40 in 20, no doubt, but I still think that's way too fast, and it was way too easy to do being a complete newb on that character from day 1, it should have taken me longer to figure out. I'm a big fan of needing a long time to figure everything out. I didn't get that, so I stand behind my assertion that it's too easy. If I hadn't needed to travel 65% of my time trying to find an area with decent groups and more quests to do, one can only assume that I easily would have made 40 in 20 hours though. No, I didn't threaten to kick people from groups for screwing up and wiping us or just plain slowing us down. Should I have to? Everyone's experience will be different. My point is that I have seen a lot, and it's not like my opinion was formulated after only playing for a few hours. I put a lot of time in, tried many different things, and unfortunately was still not able to keep the original excitement I had for the game. Nothing more, nothing less. I know many people are loving the game right now. I hope it stays that way for them. I really do.
I saw kicking people out as the only option to progress. I did tell them why and gave them a chance to repent. Repeat offenders are what I kicked out, and it made my gaming experience a whole lot better.
You can gain lvls in a very short time, yes. But again... you won't be getting the über items and new friends. And you can cancel your account after the first month if you feel you've seen all there is to see. In fact it's perfectly reasonable to do so. I know I'll cancel my account once I get bored with it. I didn't get bored with the OB and stresses, so I'll keep on playing.
I'm not saying you have to like the game or anything, nor am I trying to convince you to come back to us WoW players, it's just that you extensively culminate your ideas to drive people away from WoW(the people who come here to hear what it's like). This I don't like. I want people to try it and perhaps enjoy it. I sure as heck did.
Originally posted by Babbuun I'm not saying you have to like the game or anything, nor am I trying to convince you to come back to us WoW players, it's just that you extensively culminate your ideas to drive people away from WoW(the people who come here to hear what it's like). This I don't like. I want people to try it and perhaps enjoy it. I sure as heck did.
I was merely explaining my experience with the game. Your point is you enjoy it so you want people to try it so they have fun. My point is that I didn't enjoy it after a very short time, so caveat emptor.
This guy was asking for opinions, and we're giving them. There's no need for you to go through and pick my (or other people's) opinions apart and claim it's my fault I didn't have fun or that I'm wrong. We both have different experiences with the game. Mine didn't appear to be represented in this thread, so I added it.
I'm not saying you're wrong for liking it, please stop saying I'm wrong for not liking it.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
So instead of picking your comments apart I should flame like everyone else? I'd rather have everyone picking my comments apart than just telling me: "Suxxors 1053r go to mom and ". And no I don't think you're wrong for not liking it. I just think that you should loosen up on some of the comments because you're exaggerating.
Originally posted by SpeedMann I can't really understand how you could rate this game yet if your only level 4. There are lots of quests that teams are needed for and you also have the option to solo them later on if your a few more levels higher. About your problem with Exp when fighting mobs, I guess you like it more when some one can come up and take your hard earned exp by kill stealing. That's one of the best features of WOW. Anyone that hits the mob first gets the exp . If the game seems so easy for you, start doing the red quests soloing im sure you'll just walk right through them no trouble at all.
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Maybe it's time to finish reading the rest of the thread SpeedMann because I just realized I was directing the comments to the wrong person and it should've been you. Read the entire thread cuz everythign I wrote is for you.
I think ill just look away from all the posts in this thread, except the first post, so heres my answer...
I think the bad sides of WoW is that it is too much solo based and that playing as a team is not incouraging enough...maybe it should give bonus exp to team up, that way people would probably do less solo and more party playing. I also think that lvling actually is going too fast, so unless the hero classes takes you into a whole new stage, then i would call it a problem in WoW
And yes im a WoW fanboi -_-....too bad i didnt see this topic earlier
Originally posted by SpeedMann I can't really understand how you could rate this game yet if your only level 4. There are lots of quests that teams are needed for and you also have the option to solo them later on if your a few more levels higher. About your problem with Exp when fighting mobs, I guess you like it more when some one can come up and take your hard earned exp by kill stealing. That's one of the best features of WOW. Anyone that hits the mob first gets the exp . If the game seems so easy for you, start doing the red quests soloing im sure you'll just walk right through them no trouble at all.
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Maybe it's time to finish reading the rest of the thread SpeedMann because I just realized I was directing the comments to the wrong person and it should've been you. Read the entire thread cuz everythign I wrote is for you.
You hurt my feelings. Just move along now and let us enjoy WoW. Thx for all your wonderful, well thought out review of this game..........
We can all agree that supergeek should not flame WoW because he hasn't played it himself(the infamous "I played WoW at my friend's house for 3 hours and got to lvl 4, the leveling is too fast" comment gave him away). Play a character to 30+ levels, do some instancing, do some crafting, do some soloing, then analyze the game. Right now you're acting like a .
Funny how after the lag issue has improved drastically, the only people flaming WoW are fans of other games. Why aren't they playing in their god-given virtual havens? Maybe because it is more fun posting here.
Well this comment comes with some bias, because I am quite aginst blizzard games in all. But as I said with WC3, D2 and most all of their other games... Over Rated! I do fully believe that WoW is over rated as a game.
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Prince, I agree WoW is a bit over-rated, at least over-hyped, but it still is the best MMORPG I've played to date, no question about it. Like any other title WoW has its faults, but none that are big enough to affect the overall enjoyment factor in my opinion.
Right now im playing Eq2 because all my other friend play it. They are all older player of Eq1 and whe build a teamspeak server to speak to each other and my Eq2 experience so far is great. But i keep wondering if WoW it just better like everyone say and if WoW it more a game for me.
Well let me first start by telling you that this is simple the most amazing MMORPG I have ever played.
A list of some of the MMORPG's I have played goes like this EnB, AO, PS, DAOC, SWG, EVE, Neocron 1 and 2, EA, AC2, FWO, SOR, COH, Horisons, and a few more.....
I love this game so much right that I have dumbed 2 chics, dont speak much to my family anymore and do not talk to anyone at all much anymore due me being addicted to this game...And yes I know thats crazy but hell I dont give a got damn, as long as im happy and taking care of MY finances thats all that matters....
BUT.......
Here is where I tell you whats BAD about WOW.....
It is having a piss poor launch for alot of people, dont get me wrong there are those out there that get to play the game but then there are those like me who dont...I started playing early morning of the 24th (around 11 am) and at first it was grand, no lag no disconnects, no problems everything was great... Then the mass rush of people started to get on and these people started to just get on the same 10 DAMN servers on CST and ET... They didnt flock to the MT servers or the Pac Servers they bombared the same 10 servers and brought with them constant lag, disconnects, profanity and silly childish behavior...Add to those things the insane Queue lines that are in my server (which houses my lvl 20 char) and this game is becomming a nightmare for me... Every time I disconnect or get kicked for completing a quest or zoning I'm sent straight back to the back of the 140 min queue line........This is happening to a huge number of people as well, just check the forums... RIght now im typing this not cause im bored, not cause I wanted a break from the game... But because I am in a 104 min wait in a Queue line....Blizzard just should have set population caps on there servers from the jump, forcing there playerbase to spread out some..
For those that say "well just go to another server" screw that I was one of the first on this server I should not have to start all over from square one on some unpopulated barren of a wasteland... So to the orignal poster I would just say stay were your at in EQ2 right now because while WOW is fun the constant lag, roll backs, QUEUE LINES, bugs, ganking, ect that are going on right now are not...
Blizzard just announced that they had 200k people make accounts, they had a peek of 100k people online at one time, they have 87 servers now......Ok, during Open beta they announced that they had 500k people and they had 41 servers, and most people flocked to the same 10 agian or it can even be said the same 3 (9,4,13).....So why is it that the Open beta had smaller queue lines with MORE people and LESS servers then launch........This is what is pissing me of more then anything right now, more servers less pop = Longer Queue line wait? It doesnt add the f up.
I know its the first week and blah blah blah blah blah but these QUEQUE lines are something that they should have did without.. They should have just capped the char limit per server or something of that nature from jump....I'ts getting to the point where me and my guildmates have to get up in the middle of the night just so we can avoid the huge Queue times and get some lvls in.
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unlike others i level very slow, i take time to hone in skills, love to explore,
like finding knooks and cranies, The explorer side of me treasures this ablity unlike else where
i enjoy fishing the loot from it, i like skinning to and being albe to have ways to make funds without necesiarly being a straight crafter
i do not feel like i am chasing the best armor sword i have on level equipment
when latencey issues hit i log it becomes at times un playable, after server reset it goes smoother
i have been in lots of groups in fact i have been in more groups in wow then eq 2 and i like the
grouping in wow because it is fast passed and i tend to live longer
the mob " hate" troubles me why would something 4 + levels lower then you attack you and due to lag kill you, that makes no sence to me when in other games greys do not generaly attack
though some folks in beta soloed wonderful well with certain issues repeating themselves others have a harder time
i have seen behaviors of steal kill, then i have also run into decent folks
so for me at this point if it's a keeper all depends on if it is playalbe and i can get past the que issues
yes i have re rolled 4 times on different servers due to que ing factors
so i am using the next few weeks to decide if i can live with death by lag ( which can occur in any game)
i have yet to been albe to get death birdy to talk to me, i have logged out with quests dissappearing on me, having to re talk to the inital npcs
killed named person from quest 4 times before got required item.
had issues with getting corpse back and ran around as blue glowly i ended up deletling that toon and rolled another
however if certain issues aren't majorly cleared up in the next few weeks if i had a high level turned blue glowy and couldn't get my corpse back i would be flaming tead
lag deaths are no fun, but there other aspects of the game i still find interesting at this point i am watching the sessions see how playabilty clears up
no matter what package or name it comes in if certain issues do not get cleared up it is not a good thing but then again thats what this first month is for, checking things out, and here is hoping for lots of improvement in the data base issues
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Well i think its a good game .
However,i agree the community seems quite immature at least in beta.I hope i the live version it got better.
Also,it is far from original .In beta i found nothing i have not seen in another mmorpg in some other form.But maybe the saying"if it aren't broken don't try and fix it" applies.
If something worked for game A then just leave it be in game B.So really this definately not a next generation mmorpg in any sense.
Some other minor flaws like but overall a good mmorpg as long as the community maturity has improved.I will probably still buy it when it comes to UK in feb 2005 and see for myself after all its only £23
All I can say is that WOW is the first MMO I've played and its alot of fun. I have found the scenery to be beautiful and epic. People make a big deal about graphics in games but ask yourself does graphics make it fun? No, gamplay does. Graphics help with the immersion, just like sound does as well. If gameplay is bad then the game is bad no matter how pretty.
I found the gameplay so far to be a little repetitive but not annoying though and the lighting and combat is alot of fun. I also really like the cute little emotes that are out there as well (choo choo is riot especially when people follow you around in a chain). Anyway just a couple of random thoughts...
I am not going to grind into your skulls what everyone else has been saying (good wise, no hater here) but the key aspect that makes me love this game is the gameplay. The gameplay in WoW is fast and really enjoyable. The triat system and skill trees add a whole lot of depth. When you get to about lvl 7 with all the new skills/spells the combat gets amazing. The mount system is great and so is the underwater questing (try fighting underwater). This is just adding what everyone else missed good wise. PLUS you can jump.
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"My honor is my life"
HONOR AT WAR
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Anoyendie, NE war (17) of the Stress Test guild; ST1.
Elderwand, UD WL (16) of the Yeben Rellik guild; ST2.
Thunbarador, Orc war (17) of the Yeben Rellik guild; OB.
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
This is actually sorta true. I mean why does WoW excite you? Isn't part of because its made by blizzard and part of it is because it connects with War3? If you slap blizzard's name on anything, people will look to see wut it is...until that is, they play it.
and no im not a EQ fannie. imma proud DnL fannie.
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^3rd generation mmorpg, not WoW or EQII with just their betta graphics, dis game is for everyone, whether ur a grinder, quester, group exper, w/e.
I trust Blizzard more. I have yet to be totally screwed by Blizzard like I have via SOE. After SWG and that whole episode with people boycotting the WOD(?) the most recent if I remember right.... due to the new gfx glitches I have little respect for SOE.
That's it I mean I like Blizzard's stories but they were RTS mostly not MMO's.
I suck at RTS.
Anoyendie, NE war (17) of the Stress Test guild; ST1.
Elderwand, UD WL (16) of the Yeben Rellik guild; ST2.
Thunbarador, Orc war (17) of the Yeben Rellik guild; OB.
Realmreaver formally of EQ, SWG, FFXI and WoW.
Malis/Pirotess of PSO.
Some named of Diablo 1 and 2
Grendel Kinguard of GW.
I played WoW beta for several months and now I'm stuck on EQ2 like I wasn't in WoW beta.
I didn't want to buy EQ2. When I got into the WoW beta I was super excited. I logged in and spent a good deal of my time in game for a few weeks. I had a lot of fun, but found that soloing was not only possible, it was better. A lot better. Groups always slowed me down. As mentioned before, a lot of the people in game were jerks or just childish. I figured as I got to higher levels that would change, but it didn't. I was disappointed, and that's an understatement. The game was way too easy. With little or no effort I was gaining levels very fast, and getting more and more bored doing it. Stats and talents were spelled out for you 100%, and there was no excitement in selecting your path. You look at damage, figure out what you can do to not gimp yourself, and that's all there is to it. You know what all your spells are and exactly what they are going to do right off the bat. There's no test this try that experimentation like there is in EQ2.
After the long raids and huge investment required to get advancement past average in EQ1, I was really not looking forward to buying it. I didn't want to give them any more of my money. SWG was a nightmare of boredom and bland emptiness, and EQ2 seemed to be integrating many of those same aspects from what I could tell.
Then I bought EQ2. All I can say is that the addiction, excitement, and mystery was back. All the things that WoW wasn't able to do for me, and the things I always loved about EQ1, without a lot of what I didn't like. None of the problems I had with WoW are in EQ2. The only drawback is zoning, but I understand the reasons for it's implementation, and it's a worthy tradeoff imho for a game I can really fall in love with again. Of course it's largely personal preference, but that's just my two cents right now. Many people's opinions may change after a few months, but unfortunately it didn't take me that long to lose my enthusiasm for WoW.
Whichever game you choose, have fun!!
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
supergeek said "it only took me 3 hours to get to level 4"? If you know all there is to know you should be level 10+ in 3 hours. And even if you didn't know all there is to know you should at least be level 6(getting to level 6 is the least I would expect of anyone who's ever played computer games to accomplish in 3 hours). Your post is a lie. You never played WoW. Now I will continue by stating answers to all the things people seem to think are completely wrong with WoW:
STATEMENT 1: It's too easy.
ANSWER 1: It's as easy as you make it. You can go on and kill non-elites or expectionals, get cruddy equipment from them, kill more of them, not do any elite quests or anything you can't get through, reach level 40 and say: "This game sucks, I haven't had to group at all and I'm already lvl 40!" The thing is... It probably took you quite some time (80 hours minimum I'd say) grinding to get where you are. You'd probably lose to anyone who'd been grouping thru instances in a duel just because of their equipment. And you really wouldn't have had much fun because your only agenda was to grind to level 40.
Had you been grouping instances and elite quests, communicating with people (perhaps setting up a small guild on the fly), and actually tried to make your experience more diverse, you would have succeeded. It's just that many mmorpgs really don't have the option for you to look around the game world for cool quests(apparently nobody's mentioned the many "protect the moving NPC" quests that are exceptionally tough at later levels and really require planning) and items (blizzard knows their items: so many nice items with their own personal look to go around).
STATEMENT 2: The community sucks. ANSWER 2: Been answered many times here. Read the fanboi posts (including mine) about the /ignore function (I never had to use it in OB although I had a high level guy(the highest level on horde side) that gathered many private messages through his travels in low level zones). Many couples like to play it because it's very easy to get into and easy to log out of. If stupid people really bother you that much, you mustn't spend too much time out of your house because there are a lot of them to go around IRL.
STATEMENT 3: You don't need to group at all... It should be called MSORPG. Teehehee. ANSWER 3: Again... If you want the über loot and quest rewards you will have to find a group. Killing elite monsters a bit below your level 1v1 is possible for many classes, but takes a long time. Many times elites are stickied together as well, and taking two or more down by yourself is just unmanageable.
Getting together a group was not difficult for me: Make perfectly sensible comments in general chat about what you are doing and you will get perfectly sensible responses from people wanting to join you. Wait outside instances if you can't bear general chat and people will come to you. If someone in your group sucks/loots all, tell it to them subtly and ask for them to improve their gaming or get out of the party, or tell the party leader to do this, he has supreme control. Getting one party member more is not such a big deal, especially with the population on the servers. If you feel your entire group sucks but haven't gotten killed yet, don't leave the group. Once an elite mob wipes his hiney with you, leave the party.
STATEMENT 4: The graphics suck. ANSWER 4: I thought we had gotten over this bit here. Anyone who's ever played WoW will know that the graphics do NOT suck. They are in fact some of the most consistant graphics seen in a game up to date. If you don't like cartoons... You're missing out on something good.
STATEMENT 5: The game doesn't have enough high level content!!! ANSWER 5: And just how do you know this? The game isn't over when you reach level 60. Nor is it over when everyone is lvl 60. PvP raids, PvE raids (takes 6 full lvl 60 raid groups to kill some bosses), new equipment (I've never seen a red item on any website and red isn't even the best, orange is) many will push themselves to get the absolutely best equipment for PvP and PvE. Blizzard has made some huge promises about high level content, not to mention the fact that Northrend isn't even included in the game yet (And it WILL most definitely unless someone picks up an uzi and kills all blizzard staff because their son/daughter has become too addicted to computer games).
STATEMENT 5: The lag is so bad. The launch was bad. Oh blizard is screwing us. ANSWER 5: Wait a while for the beer to brew
. The launch is the biggest in MMORPG(or MSORPG history. Teeheheehehee iamcleverhahahaha) history.
Hope that cleared some issues. If you still have something to flame about post it after this and WoW fanbois like myself will be sure to answer.
Statement 1: I soloed elites. It didn't take 80 hours to get to level 40, it took 20. 90% solo. I averaged 2 levels per hour. I did some elite quests, and if I hadn't had to get those groups, I probalby would have hit 40 in 15 hours. Easy as you make it? Please. You can make an easy game hard by being poor at it. You can't make a hard game easy by sucking. An easy game is an easy game, period. Don't pretend you know me just because your experience is different.
Statement 2: I thought I made it clear that I have played many many MMO games. If not, here's the list. EQ. SWG. AO. DAOC. Horizons. AC2. MxO beta. WoW Beta. Shadowbane. You might think adding someone to your ignore list every 20 minutes is par for the course. It's not, and some in game behaviors can't be ignored, as I explained them above.
Statement 3: I have worked with groups, and I know how to deal with people. I have made polite suggestions, subtle suggestions, hints, I have asked politely, explained the reason for, and done everything under the sun in several groups to get people to do their job and not make the group suck. They didn't listen, and not just half the time, every time. 90% of the groups had some clueless gimp in it, and not a one of them would take suggestions, hints or anything else. They're rude, and they suck, and the game isn't even hard.
Statement 4: Totally subjective. Look at the screenshots, make up your mind.
Statement 5: Launch issues are common to most MMOs, and people only mention it because the fanbois claimed Blizz would be 100% prepared. I give them 80% prepared, which is darn good for a company's first MMO.
The lag and login issues will go away, but the rest of the issues were too big for me personally, and I don't see them going away. Just don't pretend they don't exist. It's fine to say that it's not your experience, but you're flaming when you claim I'm wrong or it's my fault for having experienced it. I've played many MMOs before, and never had this many issues with the community before. It's paramount and very disappointing. However, since I don't like the game, I'm glad if it attacts more peopel with that attitude, since I won't be playing it. To each his ownl
Most of the people I know who played in the WoW beta had the same experience as I did, and we're all now having a blast in another game. Of course, we are all over age 20, so maybe we're not your average MMO player.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
Noubourne my answers to you:
1. There was a /played command. Did you use it? Can you honestly tell me you got to lvl 40 in 20 hours? Swear it on the holy book?
2. I have also played GW beta, SWG, AO, RYL beta(wish I never had... Now that was a miserable community for a miserbale game), Ragnarok (again a miserable community), Neocron2 beta and DaOC trial (was a miserable trial because the trial servers were empty). I've also played MUDs and tried EQ2, Lineage II, EQ1 and FFXI at a buddie's. I honestly do not think there was anything about the WoW community I would even consider quitting over. Not at the best times (when no single noob had anything to say because everything was going off without a hinch), nor the bad times (when general chat was getting battered with complaints or some guy personally flamed me).
3. Personally I made the best friends and groups while group leader. With a firm hand I told a person: do that once more and you're out. They disobeyed, and I kicked them. Beleive me when I say I made many a good group with this tactique. If this did not work for you, I'm surprised.
4. Agreed about any opinion being subjective here. Don't agree about the screenshot part. Screenshots don't make a game, fluent animation and gameplay do. Fluent gameplay graphics all the way in WoW.
5. Blizz should indeed have seen this coming. But it was in fact the publisher, Vivendi, that pushed out the absolute release date so they could roll in the cheques for their employees at christmas time while blizzard works their bums off to fix the server and latency problems not to mention moderating personal attacks, offensive names, etc.
Good that you have the same opinions and preferences with your friends, and I can see logic in the frustration behind all these statements. To you they're true, to me they're not. Just don't go around pushing subjective half-truths out.
Looks like my opinions are the thoughts of a majority for once.
So this is how it feels like.
My post is a lie? Or are you in denial as your pathetically try to defend your sorry excuse of an MMO? I have plenty of friends who have poured in extensive hours into the beta and now in the retail version. One of the best in the group complained how if he hadn't had to go to the store with another friend to pick up WoW for him he would have been near level 20 in about 10 hours of play. That's 1/3 of the levels needed to reach the cap in half a day?! Are you kidding me? What kind of MMO is this? Oh gee what a surprise, look back at what I said... WoW IS E A S Y.
I asked him just now is grouping necessary and he told me if you want to hinder yourself and conversate with 15 year-olds... sure. The game does not require you to group and in fact it makes the game less enjoyable when you do. Wasn't this supposed to be an MMO? A massively-MULTIPLAYER online RPG? With all this soloing, you might as well play by yourself in an offline game...
I am a FFXI player with friends who enjoy both that game and EQ1 and 2 tremendously. They enjoy these games because it has a rich, deep, sophisticated, and multi-dimensional gameplay. In FFXI you have jobs which takes months to level but as you go up in level you'll realize not only different strategies with your job but also its relationship with other jobs and how you and other people can work together in various situations. Factor in subjobs, and you have 15 jobs interchangeable with each other in a party of 6 or more, think of the possiblities. But WoW on the other hand just allows you to up the job at blinding speeds to the level cap then switch to another brand new character and up another job. There is community aspect to it, it's a very self-centric gameplay environment that promotes nothing but solo play. It doesn't matter what type of gear you have by doing "elite" quests like you mentioned, in the end you're playing by yourself most of the time and that's what's sad about it. Like I said, WoW's strongest aspect is also its downfall. I don't BS, I back up everything I say with facts unlike your subjective comments. I don't need to pour hours into WoW because I have a good understanding of what an MMO should be and I already predicted WoW's gameplay flaws ever since Blizzard released their design journals and FAQs detailing the game.
It's a kid's MMO, it's a Diablo player's MMO, it should've been renamed "My First Diablo MMO". And for your information I posted a very reasonable impression of my game without flaming anybody. It's a couple of you who took my comments and turned it upon yourself as an insult and went apesh*t. Get your heads out of your asses and take a good look at what WoW is competing against. I'm so glad I still play FFXI and my friends support great games like the EQ series. I feel sorry for whoever waited years for WoW because they're ignorant and frankly don't know any better when it comes to MMO... then again it is their first...
Bring on the flames, I would like to hear more of your subjective defenses.
1. There was a /played command. Did you use it? Can you honestly tell me you got to lvl 40 in 20 hours? Swear it on the holy book?
In spite of the fact that my /played screen (thanks to Cosmos) showed that I had travelled 65% of my gaming hours on my main toon, I did indeed make 2 levels per hour. No, I didn't play to 40 on any toon. I made it to level 35 in about 17 hours. It would have been tough to get to level 40 in 20, no doubt, but I still think that's way too fast, and it was way too easy to do being a complete newb on that character from day 1, it should have taken me longer to figure out. I'm a big fan of needing a long time to figure everything out. I didn't get that, so I stand behind my assertion that it's too easy. If I hadn't needed to travel 65% of my time trying to find an area with decent groups and more quests to do, one can only assume that I easily would have made 40 in 20 hours though.
No, I didn't threaten to kick people from groups for screwing up and wiping us or just plain slowing us down. Should I have to?
Everyone's experience will be different. My point is that I have seen a lot, and it's not like my opinion was formulated after only playing for a few hours. I put a lot of time in, tried many different things, and unfortunately was still not able to keep the original excitement I had for the game. Nothing more, nothing less. I know many people are loving the game right now. I hope it stays that way for them. I really do.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
I saw kicking people out as the only option to progress. I did tell them why and gave them a chance to repent. Repeat offenders are what I kicked out, and it made my gaming experience a whole lot better.
You can gain lvls in a very short time, yes. But again... you won't be getting the über items and new friends. And you can cancel your account after the first month if you feel you've seen all there is to see. In fact it's perfectly reasonable to do so. I know I'll cancel my account once I get bored with it. I didn't get bored with the OB and stresses, so I'll keep on playing.
I'm not saying you have to like the game or anything, nor am I trying to convince you to come back to us WoW players, it's just that you extensively culminate your ideas to drive people away from WoW(the people who come here to hear what it's like). This I don't like. I want people to try it and perhaps enjoy it. I sure as heck did.
I was merely explaining my experience with the game. Your point is you enjoy it so you want people to try it so they have fun. My point is that I didn't enjoy it after a very short time, so caveat emptor.
This guy was asking for opinions, and we're giving them. There's no need for you to go through and pick my (or other people's) opinions apart and claim it's my fault I didn't have fun or that I'm wrong. We both have different experiences with the game. Mine didn't appear to be represented in this thread, so I added it.
I'm not saying you're wrong for liking it, please stop saying I'm wrong for not liking it.
Habit is not to be flung out the window by any man, but coaxed down the stairs one step at a time. - Mark Twain
So instead of picking your comments apart I should flame like everyone else? I'd rather have everyone picking my comments apart than just telling me: "Suxxors 1053r go to mom and
". And no I don't think you're wrong for not liking it. I just think that you should loosen up on some of the comments because you're exaggerating.
I think ill just look away from all the posts in this thread, except the first post, so heres my answer...
I think the bad sides of WoW is that it is too much solo based and that playing as a team is not incouraging enough...maybe it should give bonus exp to team up, that way people would probably do less solo and more party playing. I also think that lvling actually is going too fast, so unless the hero classes takes you into a whole new stage, then i would call it a problem in WoW
And yes im a WoW fanboi -_-....too bad i didnt see this topic earlier
You hurt my feelings.
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We can all agree that supergeek should not flame WoW because he hasn't played it himself(the infamous "I played WoW at my friend's house for 3 hours and got to lvl 4, the leveling is too fast" comment gave him away). Play a character to 30+ levels, do some instancing, do some crafting, do some soloing, then analyze the game. Right now you're acting like a
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Well this comment comes with some bias, because I am quite aginst blizzard games in all. But as I said with WC3, D2 and most all of their other games... Over Rated! I do fully believe that WoW is over rated as a game.
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Well let me first start by telling you that this is simple the most amazing MMORPG I have ever played.
A list of some of the MMORPG's I have played goes like this EnB, AO, PS, DAOC, SWG, EVE, Neocron 1 and 2, EA, AC2, FWO, SOR, COH, Horisons, and a few more.....
I love this game so much right that I have dumbed 2 chics, dont speak much to my family anymore and do not talk to anyone at all much anymore due me being addicted to this game...And yes I know thats crazy but hell I dont give a got damn, as long as im happy and taking care of MY finances thats all that matters....
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Here is where I tell you whats BAD about WOW.....
It is having a piss poor launch for alot of people, dont get me wrong there are those out there that get to play the game but then there are those like me who dont...I started playing early morning of the 24th (around 11 am) and at first it was grand, no lag no disconnects, no problems everything was great... Then the mass rush of people started to get on and these people started to just get on the same 10 DAMN servers on CST and ET... They didnt flock to the MT servers or the Pac Servers they bombared the same 10 servers and brought with them constant lag, disconnects, profanity and silly childish behavior...Add to those things the insane Queue lines that are in my server (which houses my lvl 20 char) and this game is becomming a nightmare for me... Every time I disconnect or get kicked for completing a quest or zoning I'm sent straight back to the back of the 140 min queue line........This is happening to a huge number of people as well, just check the forums... RIght now im typing this not cause im bored, not cause I wanted a break from the game... But because I am in a 104 min wait in a Queue line....Blizzard just should have set population caps on there servers from the jump, forcing there playerbase to spread out some..
For those that say "well just go to another server" screw that I was one of the first on this server I should not have to start all over from square one on some unpopulated barren of a wasteland... So to the orignal poster I would just say stay were your at in EQ2 right now because while WOW is fun the constant lag, roll backs, QUEUE LINES, bugs, ganking, ect that are going on right now are not...
Blizzard just announced that they had 200k people make accounts, they had a peek of 100k people online at one time, they have 87 servers now......Ok, during Open beta they announced that they had 500k people and they had 41 servers, and most people flocked to the same 10 agian or it can even be said the same 3 (9,4,13).....So why is it that the Open beta had smaller queue lines with MORE people and LESS servers then launch........This is what is pissing me of more then anything right now, more servers less pop = Longer Queue line wait? It doesnt add the f up.
I know its the first week and blah blah blah blah blah but these QUEQUE lines are something that they should have did without.. They should have just capped the char limit per server or something of that nature from jump....I'ts getting to the point where me and my guildmates have to get up in the middle of the night just so we can avoid the huge Queue times and get some lvls in.
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You see, every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with their surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You spread to an area, and you multiply, and you multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet.-Mr.Smith
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i have mixed feelings about the game currently,
unlike others i level very slow, i take time to hone in skills, love to explore,
like finding knooks and cranies, The explorer side of me treasures this ablity unlike else where
i enjoy fishing the loot from it, i like skinning to and being albe to have ways to make funds without necesiarly being a straight crafter
i do not feel like i am chasing the best armor sword i have on level equipment
when latencey issues hit i log it becomes at times un playable, after server reset it goes smoother
i have been in lots of groups in fact i have been in more groups in wow then eq 2 and i like the
grouping in wow because it is fast passed and i tend to live longer
the mob " hate" troubles me why would something 4 + levels lower then you attack you and due to lag kill you, that makes no sence to me when in other games greys do not generaly attack
though some folks in beta soloed wonderful well with certain issues repeating themselves others have a harder time
i have seen behaviors of steal kill, then i have also run into decent folks
so for me at this point if it's a keeper all depends on if it is playalbe and i can get past the que issues
yes i have re rolled 4 times on different servers due to que ing factors
so i am using the next few weeks to decide if i can live with death by lag ( which can occur in any game)
i have yet to been albe to get death birdy to talk to me, i have logged out with quests dissappearing on me, having to re talk to the inital npcs
killed named person from quest 4 times before got required item.
had issues with getting corpse back and ran around as blue glowly i ended up deletling that toon and rolled another
however if certain issues aren't majorly cleared up in the next few weeks if i had a high level turned blue glowy and couldn't get my corpse back i would be flaming tead
lag deaths are no fun, but there other aspects of the game i still find interesting at this point i am watching the sessions see how playabilty clears up
no matter what package or name it comes in if certain issues do not get cleared up it is not a good thing but then again thats what this first month is for, checking things out, and here is hoping for lots of improvement in the data base issues