There's much I agree with, but there's also much that was a matter of personal preference rather than real issues with the game. The only thing I think that was an exaggeration was the statement that mobs will chase you across the zone. The mobs are leashed to a spawn area, so 99% of the mobs don't go that far at all. There is a dragon in the middle of the map that does chase you quite far, but when I encountered it (and eventually died) it was pretty exciting.
The colors are really a matter of personal preference, which is why you get people on the opposite end of the spectrum on this. DF when for a dark/gothic/realism look in their art design. Think of it like the Batman movies. The current ones make Gotham city really dark, whereas the earlier movies and the TV series made the city brighter. The graphics are better than EQ1. They have a similar look to EQ2. One thing that I like was the sky and the trees and grass that swayed in the wind. It gave the world a livelier feel. The animations are poorly done and could be better. Some people will have a bigger problem with this than others. It depends on whether the person's focus is on gameplay or graphics.
The GUI takes some getting used to, but it's functional. I do agree that the shift key being used for both the sprint function as well as changing the hotbars was a very poor design. That being said, the key can be rebound. While it shouldn't be that way by default, I don't know any gamer that doesn't rebind the default keys to their own preference.
Other than that, I thought the complaint that it hard to drag things out of your spellbook/inventory if you forgot to put it on your hotbar just a gameplay problem by the OP and really not the fault of the game design at all. Afterall, one would have the same problem if they forgot to bind their spells and skills to their buttons in any other game.
Losing items, is also really not a gameplay issue, but rather a personal preference. That being said, the game is widely advertised as a FFA, full pvp game, so it should have been anticipated that you need to have the mindset to be able to take some losses. It's kinda like having an issue with MMO's because you don't like social interaction with other players.
The FPS, sync, lag and performance issues are personal issues that probably have more to do with each individual computer than the game design itself. As it is, many players find the game to be playable on their machines, while other's don't. I myself can play the game very well on a 3 year old machine.
Really, the bigger issue with the game is the lack of balanced content. The concept was good, but the devs didn't implement very much PvE content, and the PvP content is just a ruleset. This has the effect of players not having enough things to do. While it's supposed to be a sandbox, this doesn't mean that having more choices on things to do is a bad thing. Right now, the pvp is fun, but you have to actively go out and look for it. It'd be nice if they implemented more quests, both PvP and PvE and put in some player generated content, such as bounties and contract work like they have in EVE. The game could also benefit from some changes that make economy more of a factor. A game like this really needs to have more impetus to make people want to leave the safety of their towns by design. The full pvp/FFA nature of the ruleset makes everyone really want to stay in the safety of their hometown to keep from dying and loosing their loot too often and there isn't a large enough incetive to venture out into the world. If the devs implemented gameplay changes that made going out into the world more exciting and fun, many of the other personal preference issues would go by the wayside.
That being said, they are doing significant content and gameplay patches virtually every week, so at this point, it's still worth keeping an eye on the news to see how things improve.
Except last week.
Instead of a patch we got 3 whine posts by the head producer/ developer.
If Tasos is the only guy that works for Av it would explain why there wasn't a patch when he posts, 8-9 years of developement, and why he thinks he was feature complete and ready to release. He's obviously delisional from not enough sleep,
They did push before the game was completed. I imagine that was due to a lack of experience and funds. Also probably some public pressure with other similar games coming out on the horizon and so many people saying DF was vaporware. I also thought it was unnecessary for them to make the last response, although I like the first response to EG and thought they should have allowed the re-review, but they got caught up in the drama. Not really a gameplay issue though, just a personality issue with the devs. It's really the gameplay that will decide the issue, not whether one personally likes or dislikes the devs.
It's also worth mentioning that there is no MMO on the market over time that still resembles the original state it was in at launch. These are all dynamic products.
I paid around the same price of a AAA retail title for this. I can't really understand how anybody can actually like the outcome of this game. [...]
You paid basicaly because you wanted to. there was a lot of people giving a lot of warnings about this title, you didnt wait for a free trial, shame on you.
I payed for it. I am enjoying the game. I am not here to say everyone will enjoy it. Yes its pretty much a pay to beta. Money is not a problem for me. I enjoy playing Ultima Online on the pre trammel free servers which is like when Ultima first came out without the care bear land. Darkfall reminds me of Ultima online only 3D. Its all a matter of opinion. Why would people sit here and do a HE SAID SHE SAID. Like the old saying goes......" Opinions are like arseholes.........everyones got one and they usually stink." That stink part is my own addition heh.
I paid around the same price of a AAA retail title for this. I can't really understand how anybody can actually like the outcome of this game. [...]
You paid basicaly because you wanted to. there was a lot of people giving a lot of warnings about this title, you didnt wait for a free trial, shame on you.
Yeah..And there are some people who are absolutley convinced they can beat the guy running the 3 card monty game on the street.
Well, I wasn't very involved with the community when I bought it. It was just a few friends that were like come check it out. I usually had fun playing mmo's with them, so I figured I'd check it out.
Also, I don't really see a trial coming any time soon.
Well, I wasn't very involved with the community when I bought it. It was just a few friends that were like come check it out. I usually had fun playing mmo's with them, so I figured I'd check it out. Also, I don't really see a trial coming any time soon.
yeah, the guy before you was being sarcastic. There will never be a free trial (even though Tasos promised one before launch)... and basically the North American Server will come about 2 days after the free trials ( ie.. never).
The game is going to die pretty fast. They are just barely keeping one server full with a few thousand players. There is nowhere near enough demand for a second server, which is why they haven't talked about it at all. yeah, a few hundred people quit every week, they can replace those with the limited 'store' for now.. but it will only be another month or two until the store will have to be kept open 24/7 to replace the people who quit on one server.
Some people just arnt ment for sandbox's let alone in a hardcore game, the OP is one of those people.
Pity that DFis not really a sandbox nor hardcore (global banking... oops?)
We really need to stop getting hardcore and sandbox confused with lame ass, boring and 3rd rate. We also need to stop falling back on our desperation for such games to allow shitty developers like AV from taking advantage.
I remember seeing the inventory screen on some DF video and it looked like he was digging through a landfill looking for his lottery ticket he accidently threw away.
Because DF didn't offer a free trial yet? If you are unsure if a game will fit you, wait for the trial. There are games from certain companies I buy without a trial but otherwise I can wait myself.
Darkfall and trial together lol.
They won't do it till the game actually starts dying. They make more money selling copies to people willing to try it then letting everybody see how bad it probably is.
Because DF didn't offer a free trial yet? If you are unsure if a game will fit you, wait for the trial. There are games from certain companies I buy without a trial but otherwise I can wait myself.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
Because DF didn't offer a free trial yet? If you are unsure if a game will fit you, wait for the trial. There are games from certain companies I buy without a trial but otherwise I can wait myself.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
People here said same things when Eve released. But in order for Darkfall to really survive, is up to how much they can patch and polish game. Thats mostly main thing this game needs right now. Maybe in time it will grow, but i think it has more chance than some games released within past 3 years does.
I think the difference between Eve and Darkfall - and I'm by no means an expert on either of them - is that Eve didn't release simply in order to start drawing enough cash to make payroll next week. Pay-to-beta - or "limited retail" is I guess what they're calling it - is a scary trend for MMOs, though that's a different topic.
Someone earlier said there's not enough demand for more than one server; I think there probably is. I know there are plenty of folks who'd have no problem shelling out fifty bucks just to see how truly bad the game is, and I say that as one of them. My personal opinion, based on nothing more than conjecture, is that they simply don't have either the funding or the technical capacity for another server. That's a bad sign right there.
Also take into account that they're playing to a niche audience; a lot of people say they'd like a "hardcore" full-loot PvP game, but most of those people have never actually played one. It's a tough sell. It'd be a tough sell for Blizzard to make, let alone some guys no one's really heard of working out of a basement somewhere in Greece.
The MMO audience has been extremely unforgiving to games that launch in an unpolished, unfinished state. "Potential" doesn't cut it anymore. Darkfall could shock us all and go on to an Eve-like career, but the chances seem pretty slim just based on the current circumstances of its development.
Because DF didn't offer a free trial yet? If you are unsure if a game will fit you, wait for the trial. There are games from certain companies I buy without a trial but otherwise I can wait myself.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
Because DF didn't offer a free trial yet? If you are unsure if a game will fit you, wait for the trial. There are games from certain companies I buy without a trial but otherwise I can wait myself.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
Fixed:
This game won't be around in 6 months.
Uggg, MMOs take a LONG ass time to die. People said the same thing about VG, WoW, AoC, EvE, WAR, SWG, and the list goes on.
Because DF didn't offer a free trial yet? If you are unsure if a game will fit you, wait for the trial. There are games from certain companies I buy without a trial but otherwise I can wait myself.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
Fixed:
This game won't be around in 6 months.
Uggg, MMOs take a LONG ass time to die. People said the same thing about VG, WoW, AoC, EvE, WAR, SWG, and the list goes on.
Well most those games have devs with money or common sense , all Df has is a broke company and a leader that goes QQ over his first review and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH over any bad talk.. i see maggots on the corpse already.
To the OP: Sucks that you didn't care for the game. On behalf of the people that do enjoy the game however, I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank you for your 40 euros. Hopefully Tasos will put it to good use and keep on with the frequent updates.
Well, I wasn't very involved with the community when I bought it. It was just a few friends that were like come check it out. I usually had fun playing mmo's with them, so I figured I'd check it out. Also, I don't really see a trial coming any time soon.
yeah, the guy before you was being sarcastic. There will never be a free trial (even though Tasos promised one before launch)... and basically the North American Server will come about 2 days after the free trials ( ie.. never).
The game is going to die pretty fast. They are just barely keeping one server full with a few thousand players. There is nowhere near enough demand for a second server, which is why they haven't talked about it at all. yeah, a few hundred people quit every week, they can replace those with the limited 'store' for now.. but it will only be another month or two until the store will have to be kept open 24/7 to replace the people who quit on one server.
one server FULL? is that why there's a bunch of empty cities/hamlets? some claimed by clans that well, i guess they only have one or two people left in them...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
You paid basicaly because you wanted to. there was a lot of people giving a lot of warnings about this title, you didnt wait for a free trial, shame on you.
Or people just got caught up in the drama and in a moment of craziness, jumped on the bandwagon and bought the game. People do get crazy over games -- not in a "Tasos after a bad review" kind of crazy, but in a more harmless, less strange kind of way.
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Except last week.
Instead of a patch we got 3 whine posts by the head producer/ developer.
If Tasos is the only guy that works for Av it would explain why there wasn't a patch when he posts, 8-9 years of developement, and why he thinks he was feature complete and ready to release. He's obviously delisional from not enough sleep,
They did push before the game was completed. I imagine that was due to a lack of experience and funds. Also probably some public pressure with other similar games coming out on the horizon and so many people saying DF was vaporware. I also thought it was unnecessary for them to make the last response, although I like the first response to EG and thought they should have allowed the re-review, but they got caught up in the drama. Not really a gameplay issue though, just a personality issue with the devs. It's really the gameplay that will decide the issue, not whether one personally likes or dislikes the devs.
It's also worth mentioning that there is no MMO on the market over time that still resembles the original state it was in at launch. These are all dynamic products.
You paid basicaly because you wanted to. there was a lot of people giving a lot of warnings about this title, you didnt wait for a free trial, shame on you.
I payed for it. I am enjoying the game. I am not here to say everyone will enjoy it. Yes its pretty much a pay to beta. Money is not a problem for me. I enjoy playing Ultima Online on the pre trammel free servers which is like when Ultima first came out without the care bear land. Darkfall reminds me of Ultima online only 3D. Its all a matter of opinion. Why would people sit here and do a HE SAID SHE SAID. Like the old saying goes......" Opinions are like arseholes.........everyones got one and they usually stink." That stink part is my own addition heh.
The Shikkadance Cometh!
You paid basicaly because you wanted to. there was a lot of people giving a lot of warnings about this title, you didnt wait for a free trial, shame on you.
Yeah..And there are some people who are absolutley convinced they can beat the guy running the 3 card monty game on the street.
Well, I wasn't very involved with the community when I bought it. It was just a few friends that were like come check it out. I usually had fun playing mmo's with them, so I figured I'd check it out.
Also, I don't really see a trial coming any time soon.
yeah, the guy before you was being sarcastic. There will never be a free trial (even though Tasos promised one before launch)... and basically the North American Server will come about 2 days after the free trials ( ie.. never).
The game is going to die pretty fast. They are just barely keeping one server full with a few thousand players. There is nowhere near enough demand for a second server, which is why they haven't talked about it at all. yeah, a few hundred people quit every week, they can replace those with the limited 'store' for now.. but it will only be another month or two until the store will have to be kept open 24/7 to replace the people who quit on one server.
Some people just arnt ment for sandbox's let alone in a hardcore game, the OP is one of those people.
Mess with the best, Die like the rest
Some people actually eat 100 year old eggs.
Do you really think a rotten egg tastes good?
NO, it doesn't, but some people will eat them anyways.
Kind of like video games.
Some people actually enjoy playing bad ones.
There is a difference between hardcore and poor execution.
This game is clearly a good example.
I was in an alliance, and I raided other towns and such. I didn't pick it up for 20 minutes and call it quits. I played it for a few days first.
Pity that DFis not really a sandbox nor hardcore (global banking... oops?)
We really need to stop getting hardcore and sandbox confused with lame ass, boring and 3rd rate. We also need to stop falling back on our desperation for such games to allow shitty developers like AV from taking advantage.
I remember seeing the inventory screen on some DF video and it looked like he was digging through a landfill looking for his lottery ticket he accidently threw away.
Darkfall and trial together lol.
They won't do it till the game actually starts dying. They make more money selling copies to people willing to try it then letting everybody see how bad it probably is.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
People here said same things when Eve released. But in order for Darkfall to really survive, is up to how much they can patch and polish game. Thats mostly main thing this game needs right now. Maybe in time it will grow, but i think it has more chance than some games released within past 3 years does.
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I think the difference between Eve and Darkfall - and I'm by no means an expert on either of them - is that Eve didn't release simply in order to start drawing enough cash to make payroll next week. Pay-to-beta - or "limited retail" is I guess what they're calling it - is a scary trend for MMOs, though that's a different topic.
Someone earlier said there's not enough demand for more than one server; I think there probably is. I know there are plenty of folks who'd have no problem shelling out fifty bucks just to see how truly bad the game is, and I say that as one of them. My personal opinion, based on nothing more than conjecture, is that they simply don't have either the funding or the technical capacity for another server. That's a bad sign right there.
Also take into account that they're playing to a niche audience; a lot of people say they'd like a "hardcore" full-loot PvP game, but most of those people have never actually played one. It's a tough sell. It'd be a tough sell for Blizzard to make, let alone some guys no one's really heard of working out of a basement somewhere in Greece.
The MMO audience has been extremely unforgiving to games that launch in an unpolished, unfinished state. "Potential" doesn't cut it anymore. Darkfall could shock us all and go on to an Eve-like career, but the chances seem pretty slim just based on the current circumstances of its development.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
Fixed:
This game won't be around in 6 months.
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
Fixed:
This game won't be around in 6 months.
Uggg, MMOs take a LONG ass time to die. People said the same thing about VG, WoW, AoC, EvE, WAR, SWG, and the list goes on.
Games:
Currently playing:Nothing
Will play: Darkfall: Unholy Wars
Past games:
Guild Wars 2 - Xpiher Duminous
Xpiher's GW2
GW 1 - Xpiher Duminous
Darkfall - Xpiher Duminous (NA) retired
AoC - Xpiher (Tyranny) retired
Warhammer - Xpiher
That is a valid idea for 99% of games, but much like what they pride themself on Darkfall is again in the 1% here. The game took 8 years to launch, will take another 2 years to fully launch (not the limited crap, and including the US release in that 2 year marker) i would doubt anyone would see a "Trial" for this game before 2013ish.
This game won't be around in two years.
Fixed:
This game won't be around in 6 months.
Uggg, MMOs take a LONG ass time to die. People said the same thing about VG, WoW, AoC, EvE, WAR, SWG, and the list goes on.
Well most those games have devs with money or common sense , all Df has is a broke company and a leader that goes QQ over his first review and WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH over any bad talk.. i see maggots on the corpse already.
To the OP: Sucks that you didn't care for the game. On behalf of the people that do enjoy the game however, I'd just like to take this opportunity to thank you for your 40 euros. Hopefully Tasos will put it to good use and keep on with the frequent updates.
Thank you kindly ......
~Hairysun~
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yeah, the guy before you was being sarcastic. There will never be a free trial (even though Tasos promised one before launch)... and basically the North American Server will come about 2 days after the free trials ( ie.. never).
The game is going to die pretty fast. They are just barely keeping one server full with a few thousand players. There is nowhere near enough demand for a second server, which is why they haven't talked about it at all. yeah, a few hundred people quit every week, they can replace those with the limited 'store' for now.. but it will only be another month or two until the store will have to be kept open 24/7 to replace the people who quit on one server.
one server FULL? is that why there's a bunch of empty cities/hamlets? some claimed by clans that well, i guess they only have one or two people left in them...
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Or people just got caught up in the drama and in a moment of craziness, jumped on the bandwagon and bought the game. People do get crazy over games -- not in a "Tasos after a bad review" kind of crazy, but in a more harmless, less strange kind of way.