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Tasos wouldn't have thrown a tantrum if EG gave it 10/10
Think about it,
EuroGamer gives the game a 2/10 score in a review, Tasos doesn't live his ickle baby getting such an undeserving low score and continues to berate the reviewer with facts about only being in the game for so many minutes etc.
What if EG gave the game a 10/10 score?? do you think Tasos would come out and start shouting how the reviewer had only played for 2 hours?
The answer is "No Way"
You see, Tasos has tried ever so hard to keep the game open to hardcore fanbois because he knew that they, as fans, would not be objectional towards the game and live with the fact darkfalls gameplay is shot to hell. Ed Zitface is not a fanboi, hes a normal MMORPG player that didnt have that unconditional love for darkfall in the beginning and therfore saw instantly the trainwreck infront of his very eye's.
It was gonna happen one day Tasos, there was no way you were gonna hide it forever.
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Tasos may not have even flinched at a score of five or four out of 10.
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Amen. Please let it die.
I think thats a certainty for any game that is being reviewed, depending on whatever score is awarded depends on how it is recieved by the developer, a negative review usually gets ignored,(but not it seems in the case of Tasos) a positive review especially ones from well known sources that also have awards will be displayed with pride on the games main website for all to see.
You really believe that based on the amount of inaccuracies in that review, regardless of the opinions expressed, Tasos was incorrect in challenging it?
You really believe that based on the amount of inaccuracies in that review, regardless of the opinions expressed, Tasos was incorrect in challenging it?
In the 10 yr old tantrum that he did? Yes he was wrong. It reflects badly on the company moreso than a review of a game that already has a stigma of sucking.
I don't see the response as being a "10 yr old tantrum", but regardless, the review was a blatant hit piece and the response was, imv, warranted.
On the other hand, the review and the reaction may have been a positive as far as visability for the game is concerned, (free marketing). If the next review that comes out contradicts this review, it will be a net plus for Aventurine.
We'll see.
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Really funny that LOGIC seems none excisting with some people.
I would expect any company to challenge a 2 out of 10 review. To not dispute such a claim would, in essence, mean that the company accepts the decision imparted to them.
Perhaps the manner in which Tasos defended himself bothers you, but I find no fault in a company defending themselves from a 3rd party.
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This. And of course no company would challenge a 10/10, though there'd be no shortage of people who would.
The EG review was a poor piece of reporting IMO, regardless whether you hate Tasso/Aventuring or DF.
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And a spell checking is missing from others too.
That aside, I'm going to clarify my position on this. Tasos used the fact that this reviewer was not ingame long enough to come to a decent enough conclusion to write a well founded writeup about darkfall.
My argument is that, how long someone is in game has no bareing what so ever on the quality of it, this is where Tasos crashed an burned. Instead of him countering the points made by the reviewer, he just went in to twat mode.
Which brings me to the point I was trying to make in my OP, If the reviewer had spent the exact amount of time in game and liked certain things better and came to a much better conclusion with a higher rating which inturn pleased Tasos then I do not believe for one second that Tasos would call him on the amount of time spent ingame.
WHICH COMPLETLY INVALIDATES HIS ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It just shows that Tasos couldn't counter the reviewers points like a mature adult because THERE WAS NO WAY TOO. those points are valid and he knows it.
Why bother? It's so crushingly obvious only a complete idiot would question it. No one looks a gift horse in the mouth. It's when the little twit leaves a flming bag of poo on your porch trhat you hunt him down and wring his neck. Do you not understand why?
See above ^
And a spell checking is missing from others too.
That aside, I'm going to clarify my position on this. Tasos used the fact that this reviewer was not ingame long enough to come to a decent enough conclusion to write a well founded writeup about darkfall.
My argument is that, how long someone is in game has no bareing what so ever on the quality of it, this is where Tasos crashed an burned. Instead of him countering the points made by the reviewer, he just went in to twat mode.
Which brings me to the point I was trying to make in my OP, If the reviewer had spent the exact amount of time in game and liked certain things better and came to a much better conclusion with a higher rating which inturn pleased Tasos then I do not believe for one second that Tasos would call him on the amount of time spent ingame.
WHICH COMPLETLY INVALIDATES HIS ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It just shows that Tasos couldn't counter the reviewers points like a mature adult because THERE WAS NO WAY TOO. those points are valid and he knows it.
Or, instead of calling out the obvious, that being that the reviewer didn't actually, for all intents and purposes, play the game; Tasos simply alluded to this fact through implication by mentioning the time in game actually spent by the reviewer.
In other words, Tasos is saying that the reviewer did not, in fact, actually play the game.
The review, of course, supports this assertion.
And a spell checking is missing from others too.
That aside, I'm going to clarify my position on this. Tasos used the fact that this reviewer was not ingame long enough to come to a decent enough conclusion to write a well founded writeup about darkfall.
My argument is that, how long someone is in game has no bareing what so ever on the quality of it, this is where Tasos crashed an burned. Instead of him countering the points made by the reviewer, he just went in to twat mode.
Which brings me to the point I was trying to make in my OP, If the reviewer had spent the exact amount of time in game and liked certain things better and came to a much better conclusion with a higher rating which inturn pleased Tasos then I do not believe for one second that Tasos would call him on the amount of time spent ingame.
WHICH COMPLETLY INVALIDATES HIS ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It just shows that Tasos couldn't counter the reviewers points like a mature adult because THERE WAS NO WAY TOO. those points are valid and he knows it.
Or, instead of calling out the obvious, that being that the reviewer didn't actually, for all intents and purposes, play the game; Tasos simply alluded to this fact through implication by mentioning the time in game actually spent by the reviewer.
In other words, Tasos is saying that the reviewer did not, in fact, actually play the game.
The review, of course, supports this assertion.
Did I miss a memo here? didn't Tasos say the reviewer was ingame for more that Zero seconds?
so your saying that a well know game reviewer for Eurogamer would lie and make up a review without playing the game and that Tasos would never lie about the time this said revieweer played the game? Open your damn eyes the review for the most part was spot. Sorry you dished out 50 bucks or 40 euros for this trash but thats your problem.
And a spell checking is missing from others too.
That aside, I'm going to clarify my position on this. Tasos used the fact that this reviewer was not ingame long enough to come to a decent enough conclusion to write a well founded writeup about darkfall.
My argument is that, how long someone is in game has no bareing what so ever on the quality of it, this is where Tasos crashed an burned. Instead of him countering the points made by the reviewer, he just went in to twat mode.
Which brings me to the point I was trying to make in my OP, If the reviewer had spent the exact amount of time in game and liked certain things better and came to a much better conclusion with a higher rating which inturn pleased Tasos then I do not believe for one second that Tasos would call him on the amount of time spent ingame.
WHICH COMPLETLY INVALIDATES HIS ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It just shows that Tasos couldn't counter the reviewers points like a mature adult because THERE WAS NO WAY TOO. those points are valid and he knows it.
Or, instead of calling out the obvious, that being that the reviewer didn't actually, for all intents and purposes, play the game; Tasos simply alluded to this fact through implication by mentioning the time in game actually spent by the reviewer.
In other words, Tasos is saying that the reviewer did not, in fact, actually play the game.
The review, of course, supports this assertion.
Did I miss a memo here? didn't Tasos say the reviewer was ingame for more that Zero seconds?
You realize that one can say that if someone played an MMO for a couple hours, it is not a significant stretch of semantics to say that the person has not played the game.
Based on the actual review, I tend to believe that the reviewer did not actually play the game much, at all.
What exactly about the review would you say was incorrect, if anything?
And a spell checking is missing from others too.
That aside, I'm going to clarify my position on this. Tasos used the fact that this reviewer was not ingame long enough to come to a decent enough conclusion to write a well founded writeup about darkfall.
My argument is that, how long someone is in game has no bareing what so ever on the quality of it, this is where Tasos crashed an burned. Instead of him countering the points made by the reviewer, he just went in to twat mode.
Which brings me to the point I was trying to make in my OP, If the reviewer had spent the exact amount of time in game and liked certain things better and came to a much better conclusion with a higher rating which inturn pleased Tasos then I do not believe for one second that Tasos would call him on the amount of time spent ingame.
WHICH COMPLETLY INVALIDATES HIS ARGUMENT IN THE FIRST PLACE.
It just shows that Tasos couldn't counter the reviewers points like a mature adult because THERE WAS NO WAY TOO. those points are valid and he knows it.
Or, instead of calling out the obvious, that being that the reviewer didn't actually, for all intents and purposes, play the game; Tasos simply alluded to this fact through implication by mentioning the time in game actually spent by the reviewer.
In other words, Tasos is saying that the reviewer did not, in fact, actually play the game.
The review, of course, supports this assertion.
Did I miss a memo here? didn't Tasos say the reviewer was ingame for more that Zero seconds?
You realize that one can say that if someone played an MMO for a couple hours, it is not a significant stretch of semantics to say that the person has not played the game.
No, I don't realise that at all, in fact, what you said just there is a personal opinion of yours.
My opinion is that the reviewer had played the game if not for very long.
What the real question is, what would Twatos have done if it got 0/10?
Has anyone thought that the reviewer was actually being generous towards Aventurine?
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I see what you did there with the yellow font...nice
Call me dumb, but I'm still going to try darkfall.. If they release a trial that is.
I have extremely low standards when it comes to graphics, i dont mind crappy animations, and i dont mind if I keep slamming my sword into someone the exact same way.. I just want to attend to one of those big massive battles, or set up a trade route on sea.
As of now, the game looks like cowdung though....
But I'll be one of the first humping the trial if It's there.
When he saw the 2/10, and read the review it was apparent to him that the guy hadn't played the game. If they got a 10/10, it probably would have also been apparent. So, what he did was investigated to see how much the guy actually did play the game, and found out it wasn't enough to do a proper review. He then sent this information to EuroGamer (not pubically) and told them to retract it. At which point they refused - despite having been presented with tangible evidence that (both in the review with factual errors and with the game logs) that the reviewer had not done his job correctly.
If a reviewer for Car and Driver reviewed the newest Cadillac by going to the showroom, having someone open the trunk, and then walked out and gave it a 2/10 - 1. He'd be fired. 2,.if Car and Driver published the review, you could bet your ass GM would release a statement about it., particualry if they had video tape of the guy just looking in the trunk and then walking out.
The unprofessionalism here is 100% Eurogamer's. You have no point of reference to compare Adventurine's response to, because Eurogamer never gave out a 2 before.
When he saw the 2/10, and read the review it was apparent to him that the guy hadn't played the game. If they got a 10/10, it probably would have also been apparent. So, what he did was investigated to see how much the guy actually did play the game, and found out it wasn't enough to do a proper review. He then sent this information to EuroGamer (not pubically) and told them to retract it. At which point they refused - despite having been presented with tangible evidence that (both in the review with factual errors and with the game logs) that the reviewer had not done his job correctly.
If a reviewer for Car and Driver reviewed the newest Cadillac by going to the showroom, having someone open the trunk, and then walked out and gave it a 2/10 - 1. He'd be fired. 2,.if Car and Driver published the review, you could bet your ass GM would release a statement about it., particualry if they had video tape of the guy just looking in the trunk and then walking out.
The unprofessionalism here is 100% Eurogamer's. You have no point of reference to compare Adventurine's response to, because Eurogamer never gave out a 2 before.
Is this irony or are you taking the Aventurine?
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
I believe Tasos attended the Uwe Boll school of thought. Lesson one: If you get a bad review do everything you can to bash the person who wrote it up to and including saying your dad could beat up their dad. It won't make your product suck any less but at least you get the feeling of superiority not found since the 3rd grade playground days.
Lesson 2- If consumers say your product sucks say its not for them or they don't understand it. If questioned about who it's for or what you were trying to get across. Ignore the question and remind them your dad could beat up their dad.
Lesson 3-If all else fails speak in a different language. If someone knows that language start making up a language.
You really believe that based on the amount of inaccuracies in that review, regardless of the opinions expressed, Tasos was incorrect in challenging it?
Ahhh... robertb and his beloved strawman arguments.
That's not the point of the thread.
Tasos only threw a tantrum, pulled player logs, complained how he "didn't play long enough" and called the reviewer a fraud because DF was given such a low score.
However, if DF had gotten a high score, the reviewer could have played 10 minutes and Tasos wouldn't have thought twice about it. He certainly wouldn't have gone off on a public emo-rage hissy fit, saying "10 minutes is not long enough to give it that score!"
Way to ignore the point of the thread, robert... yet again.
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Of course, why would he have a problem with a good review?
Of course, the real concern is that you'd still be making these kinds of posts to troll the game if it got a 10/10. So what's your point?