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  • Truer words were never said about needing more people playing!

    This is a wonderful PvE game - with great classes, races and quests. But the bottom line is it needs more people. In order to do these great quest lines you need groups and unfortunately finding a group in your area about your level becomes frustrating. So you pick a good solo class and basically solo 90% of the time.

    Now there are two caveats:

    #1 I've never belonged to an uber guild - just never really appealed to me. Things might be different with 400 people in a guild. But should i really have to in order to play the game...

    #2 as you move from the noob areas to the higher ares the number of places people can play deminishes, so with few places to play at 40 you'll have more people in those areas then you do at say lvl 20.

    In the meantime SONY can continue to add additional Solo content (and i'm not talking grinding mobs) with long quest chains and good rewards to keep us motivated and engaged.

    As of now i've cancelled my account but still have 3 weeks of playing time left to hopefully turn the corner and find more active groups.

  • qwenidenqweniden Member Posts: 151

    What is so great about VG?  Not a very informative thread...

  • Scubie67Scubie67 Member UncommonPosts: 462

     I played VG for a month and cancelled just before free month expired. My experience with the game is



     Pro : Fairly Large open world



     





     Cons :1. Cookie cutter classes with no room for individuality ( ie. a level 30 ranger will be pretty much the same as another 30 level ranger discounting crafting items armors and name)



              2. Graphics sub par for game requirement regarding computer HW probably 2002 - 2004 era graphics ( I had no problem running game all high but I have a I7 core and a GTX 295,others with older cards 2 years or more may not be able to,I am comparing this to games like Crysis etc. which is same generation ,so way overated graphics for VG



             3. Due to Cookie Cutter classes it really forces you to group and not being able to single play to a greater degree if you are wanting to , cross picking skills or classes as in NWN or AC as  well as some other games



             4. Works on purchased Abilitiy/spell trainers and not a lot  selections which leads to Con # 1



             5. Has Icons over NPC's heads which a lot of games do these days for simple quests. Retrieve item A and give to character B for instance (That is not a true involved quest) Dumbed down for Hand Holding through the game



             6. Tactics cannot be employed as in other games like Asheron's call  as in dodging projectiles being able to evade,etc.



     There are others if I think long enough but these are the main ones.There is a free month though if people want to try the game and see if it appeals to them.Just not my cup of tea ,personally.

  • Daffid011Daffid011 Member UncommonPosts: 7,945

    The quantity of "try vanguard now" posts is just the virtual equivalent of the body twitching.  It is the same with so many games where the playerbase can sense what is happening and tries to change the direction.

    I'm not making any statements about how the game is, but really what is the point of recruiting people to play a game that the developers have all but given up on long ago?

    They removed the best talent from the team.

    They poached players AWAY from the game with free EQ2 accounts.

    The producer left the game without even saying goodbye and doesn't look like he is being replaced.

    Etc. 

     

    I understand that people are trying to do what they feel is in the best interest for the game, but they need to be completely honest about what is going on. 

  • KatillaKatilla Member UncommonPosts: 829

    maybe they are getting payed to post.....

  • Spaceweed10Spaceweed10 Member Posts: 625
    Originally posted by mrxtreme


    Tired of World of Warcraft, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, even Aion? If so, give Vanguard: Saga of Heroes a try for FREE!
    [Mod Edit]

     

    I'll save you folk the time.  Don't, it is awful.

  • SholShol Member Posts: 361

    Its a good game, but use the trial to get an own impression (and find out if your machine can run it).

  • HoobleyHoobley Member Posts: 421

    I play Vanguard and I enjoy it, but I don't like the sort of post the OP made, it stinks of 'paid to post' and does no favors for the game at all.

  • MidniteHowlMidniteHowl Member UncommonPosts: 149
    Originally posted by Scubie67


     I played VG for a month and cancelled just before free month expired. My experience with the game is



     Pro : Fairly Large open world



     





     Cons :1. Cookie cutter classes with no room for individuality ( ie. a level 30 ranger will be pretty much the same as another 30 level ranger discounting crafting items armors and name)



              2. Graphics sub par for game requirement regarding computer HW probably 2002 - 2004 era graphics ( I had no problem running game all high but I have a I7 core and a GTX 295,others with older cards 2 years or more may not be able to,I am comparing this to games like Crysis etc. which is same generation ,so way overated graphics for VG



             3. Due to Cookie Cutter classes it really forces you to group and not being able to single play to a greater degree if you are wanting to , cross picking skills or classes as in NWN or AC as  well as some other games



             4. Works on purchased Abilitiy/spell trainers and not a lot  selections which leads to Con # 1



             5. Has Icons over NPC's heads which a lot of games do these days for simple quests. Retrieve item A and give to character B for instance (That is not a true involved quest) Dumbed down for Hand Holding through the game



             6. Tactics cannot be employed as in other games like Asheron's call  as in dodging projectiles being able to evade,etc.



     There are others if I think long enough but these are the main ones.There is a free month though if people want to try the game and see if it appeals to them.Just not my cup of tea ,personally.

    This was one of the most well-put reasons why this person doesn't want to play VG. Most people just like to say "Vanguard sucks" and that's it. At least Scubie67 listed the reasons why he/she didn't like the game and still suggested other people at least try the free trial to gain their own opinion. I personally don't have any issues with the items in Scubie's list above but maybe that's because this game is my cup of tea. Well put Scubie67 and I really respect your opinion since it was done it great taste.

     

  • objeffobjeff Member UncommonPosts: 97
    Originally posted by Scubie67


     I played VG for a month and cancelled just before free month expired. My experience with the game is



     Pro : Fairly Large open world

    Great quests
    3 spheres to develop
    great community
    15 classes
    a lot of races (can't remember the number but think its over 20.)
    Countless options and decisions in the game - factions - crafting class - crafting specializations - class specializations - quest forks - mounts, etc.
    There are other too if I think long enough - but these are the main ones.

     





     Cons :1. Cookie cutter classes with no room for individuality ( ie. a level 30 ranger will be pretty much the same as another 30 level ranger discounting crafting items armors and name)
    If you only played for less than a month how do you know that a level 30 ranger will be the same as any other ranger? There are a few things that will set classes apart - melee ranger vs a ranged ranger.
    As a cleric I get an affinity at level 20 giving me individual skill set. I think there are 5 to choose from. 
    There are also 15 classes to choose from so there is more of a variety to choose from. Wow doesn't have a large amount of classes which is why they have skill trees to individualize the classes.



              2. Graphics sub par for game requirement regarding computer HW probably 2002 - 2004 era graphics ( I had no problem running game all high but I have a I7 core and a GTX 295,others with older cards 2 years or more may not be able to,I am comparing this to games like Crysis etc. which is same generation ,so way overated graphics for VG
    I enjoy the graphics in this game - they are not flashy however the styles and themes go great together. I play at just about max settings. I lowered the setting to see what they would look like and it does make a huge difference on what the game will look like.



             3. Due to Cookie Cutter classes it really forces you to group and not being able to single play to a greater degree if you are wanting to , cross picking skills or classes as in NWN or AC as  well as some other games
    I don't think the developers intended the game for solo play. There is some solo play in the game but the classes are balanced and do have specialized rolls.



             4. Works on purchased Abilitiy/spell trainers and not a lot  selections which leads to Con # 1
    90% of the games do this - not sure what the big issue is here.



             5. Has Icons over NPC's heads which a lot of games do these days for simple quests. Retrieve item A and give to character B for instance (That is not a true involved quest) Dumbed down for Hand Holding through the game

    Quests have a great story to them - there are a lot of things you can find by reading these quests. If you just look at the objectives then yes its like any other game. I don't see any other game off of this format so I don't know why this is a con... unless you count it as a con for every game that has quests? 

             6. Tactics cannot be employed as in other games like Asheron's call  as in dodging projectiles being able to evade,etc.
    Do any other games have you dodging projectiles than AC? 
    Tactics can be employed by the variation in the classes in your group. I've not hit beyond 27 at this point but there quite a few tactics that I've used while in a group to accomplish things. I'm sure there are more once I hit the higher levels. It really depends on the combo of the group.



     There are others if I think long enough but these are the main ones.There is a free month though if people want to try the game and see if it appeals to them.Just not my cup of tea ,personally.

     

    I think the game is solid. If you are looking for the lastest and greatest you'll probably be disappointed with the game. For those that stated the deveopers are not paying attention to this game - well I ask what are you expecting from them? A new update every month with new contect? For those that want the developers attention - have you explored most of the content the game has offered? I'm sure there are a few that have played the game for 2 years and are waiting for content upgrades.

    To those that say the population needs to be bigger before you play - well if everyone says that the population would be bigger.

    The game is worth a shot on the trial at least. Great PvE , great community.

    And those that are playing it are promoting the game. I see so many people bashing the game based off the launch or just because that's what they've heard about the game. Those that enjoy the game want to share that experience and to let people know the game is in a much better condition now.

    Edit - I'm not disputing Scubie67's opinions. My intentions are to show what else the game has to offer based off the points made by someone who really enjoys the game.

     

  • FibsdkFibsdk Member Posts: 1,112
    Originally posted by MidniteHowl

    Originally posted by Scubie67


     I played VG for a month and cancelled just before free month expired. My experience with the game is



     Pro : Fairly Large open world



     





     Cons :1. Cookie cutter classes with no room for individuality ( ie. a level 30 ranger will be pretty much the same as another 30 level ranger discounting crafting items armors and name)



              2. Graphics sub par for game requirement regarding computer HW probably 2002 - 2004 era graphics ( I had no problem running game all high but I have a I7 core and a GTX 295,others with older cards 2 years or more may not be able to,I am comparing this to games like Crysis etc. which is same generation ,so way overated graphics for VG



             3. Due to Cookie Cutter classes it really forces you to group and not being able to single play to a greater degree if you are wanting to , cross picking skills or classes as in NWN or AC as  well as some other games



             4. Works on purchased Abilitiy/spell trainers and not a lot  selections which leads to Con # 1



             5. Has Icons over NPC's heads which a lot of games do these days for simple quests. Retrieve item A and give to character B for instance (That is not a true involved quest) Dumbed down for Hand Holding through the game



             6. Tactics cannot be employed as in other games like Asheron's call  as in dodging projectiles being able to evade,etc.



     There are others if I think long enough but these are the main ones.There is a free month though if people want to try the game and see if it appeals to them.Just not my cup of tea ,personally.

    This was one of the most well-put reasons why this person doesn't want to play VG. Most people just like to say "Vanguard sucks" and that's it. At least Scubie67 listed the reasons why he/she didn't like the game and still suggested other people at least try the free trial to gain their own opinion. I personally don't have any issues with the items in Scubie's list above but maybe that's because this game is my cup of tea. Well put Scubie67 and I really respect your opinion since it was done it great taste.

     

     

    I liked the fact he stated his opinions why he doesn't like VG. However i do disagree with some of the points

     

    1. Cookie Cutter Builds: This is true. There is no way you can personalize your character outside of gear. This is not necessarily a bad thing. Back in the old EQ days you set yourself apart by being a better player than the other guy. not because you put your skill points in different places. Individuality was created by the players skills and not their skill trees. Everybody knew who the best healers on the servers were because they created a name for themselves. Everybody knew who the best tanks were as they were near "legends". If you knew how to play your class very well you gained friends and guild invites because of it. Same goes for VG

    Cookie Cutter classes does NOT eliminate individuality. It just places it on skills rather than skill trees.

     

    2. When the game was released i ran it smoothly on a Socket AM1 (939)  AMD FX 60 Dual core, 2 GB ram, Geforce 7800 GTX running Win XP something that is considered a medium gaming rig by todays standard. You could probably build something better for less than 500 today. That doesn't scream high requirements to me

     

    3. In my opinion MMORPGS should not cater to solo players. That's what Solo ARPGS are for. Play an ARPG and have a chat running in the background and you get to psudeo socialize while doing your own thing. Incidentally D3 is in a not so distant future where you can solo and trade with others as an ARPG.

     

    4. See 1.

     

    5. Quest markers over NPCs heads are here to stay and is not exclusive to VG and neither is fetch or gather quests. If anybody is looking for innovation in this area I'm afraid you are S.O.L. LOTRO may be different but that's one game out of how many?. You are better of not playing MMORPGS at all untill something truely different is released. Back in the day where there were no quest markers people just alt+tabbed out and used websites like allakhazam.com to figure where to go next. I don't see how that was better

     

    6. this sounds to me you are looking for a MMOFPS and not a MMORPG

     

    My conclusion is you are in the wrong genre which is why you will never be satisfied. You need to look into some ARPGS with possible multiplayer aspects or a MMOFPS

     

    I don't mind hearing opinions from people about a game, if they play games in the same genre and actually like some of them. I feel those people are better equipped to make informative critizism. I don't feel anybody has any merrit in offering any constructive critizism if for example: you like FPS styled MMOs and then switch over to a completely different style MMORPG and then critizise it for not being the former. I would rather hear from people who has played and liked comparable games.

     

  • Scubie67Scubie67 Member UncommonPosts: 462

    I played AC for 4 1/2 years and was very satisfied playing it.I liked the older sandbox styled games.WOW has ruined this for alot of people.If someone has never Played Ac or similar games before I cant really explain the freedom that those games had compared todays .You could play with others or solo play regardless of skills to varying degrees of course



  • DruzDruz Member Posts: 276

    C'mon scubie Asheron's Call in its prime was the best MMO to date in my opinion at least. But "it not being asheron's call" isn't a real con. The open world reminds me of AC, if I have to play within a EQ frame (which I have only had fun doing in vangaurd) then so be it as long as I'm having fun.



    from AC to any EQ styled MMO (AC2, WoW etc) is a really hard transition to make without a doubt.

  • BodeusBodeus Member Posts: 516
    Originally posted by Daffid011


    The quantity of "try vanguard now" posts is just the virtual equivalent of the body twitching.  It is the same with so many games where the playerbase can sense what is happening and tries to change the direction.
    I'm not making any statements about how the game is, but really what is the point of recruiting people to play a game that the developers have all but given up on long ago?
    They removed the best talent from the team.
    They poached players AWAY from the game with free EQ2 accounts.
    The producer left the game without even saying goodbye and doesn't look like he is being replaced.
    Etc. 
     
    I understand that people are trying to do what they feel is in the best interest for the game, but they need to be completely honest about what is going on. 

     

    This

    /thread

  • DEATHRAMENTDEATHRAMENT Member UncommonPosts: 701

    It's ok to express ones opinion, the op is simply trying to get more people to try the game there is nothing wrong with that. If u don't like to game that's cool but he does and is simply trying to make it better,heck i don't even play it but i have and think its an ok game that is in bad need of more players. I don't blame the op for trying to recruit more players to the game he is passionate about. Would be different if the game was horrible but it is not.

  • Rhystic02Rhystic02 Member Posts: 82

    System Specs 6gig's 4890 ATI Crossfire. 6600 OC 3.2 Raptor Raid 0 -

    Vanguard SoH -

     

     

    At  release - Preordered.

    - Problems at launch - Promised Content Not Released. Bloated Client -

    Bad Coding

    Lag

    FPS Issue's

    - Lacks what was promised -

    Problems to date..

    Still FPS issue's. Better but not fixed. Current PC is a massively upgraded compared to release too.

    Low Player Base, can't be fixed at this point.

    No meaningful PVP

    FPS Issues.

    Slow Updates - Lack of Funding.

    - Two many races and classes lacking orginallity. Choice is good but not when you could condense the options of 15 to about 8-9

    If PVP - well then class balancing is still an issue.

    Poor animations. - at least I think so.

    Pro's Huge Awesome World.

    Friendly community.

     

     

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  • OrphesOrphes Member UncommonPosts: 3,039
    Originally posted by Rhystic02


    System Specs 6gig's 4890 ATI Crossfire. 6600 OC 3.2 Raptor Raid 0 -
    Vanguard SoH -
     
     
    At  release - Preordered.
    - Problems at launch - Promised Content Not Released. Bloated Client -
    Bad Coding
    Lag
    FPS Issue's
    - Lacks what was promised -
    Problems to date..
    Still FPS issue's. Better but not fixed. Current PC is a massively upgraded compared to release too.
    Low Player Base, can't be fixed at this point.
    No meaningful PVP
    FPS Issues.
    Slow Updates - Lack of Funding.
    - Two many races and classes lacking orginallity. Choice is good but not when you could condense the options of 15 to about 8-9
    If PVP - well then class balancing is still an issue.
    Poor animations. - at least I think so.
    Pro's Huge Awesome World.
    Friendly community.
     
     

     

    You have a better setup then what I have, I run the game in most areas at 60fps. I assume that your FPS problems means that you are way below that one. Try to disable crossfire and see it that helps.

    I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
    "You have the right not to be killed"

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316

    Dont be fooled into vanguard, this type of game needs a good population in order to be good, and almost all servers are low pop servers and that is an understatement, they should label all of them grave yard servers.The dungeons and monsters are very bland. combat is clunky. its still buggy to all hell. end game is horrible, the raid conent just isnt there, i think they have one end game raid dungeon AWL.

     

    The world is huge but mostly empty.  it took them almost two years to put out one raid instance, the game is dead, the game is horrible thats all there is to it, and before some one calls me a WoW player, I did go to WoW and i played WoW, I no longer play mmorpgs but WoW is leagues better than vanguard.

     

    hell even EQ1 is leagues better than vanguard, i bet EQ1 has a much better population and over all better game than vanguard is.

     

    Graphics are not everything.

  • mindw0rkmindw0rk Member UncommonPosts: 1,356

    Im MMO vet who tried more then 50 online games, so its hard to impress me. AoC didnt, WAR didnt. I missed all the drama when VG released and tried it for the first time just few monthes ago. Believe it or not - this game rocks. I wasnt so excited and addicted since the early days of WoW. So many places to explore, so many stories to discover and classes are very unique. Wish it had more support from SOE. This game is alot better  then EQ2.

     

  • DEATHRAMENTDEATHRAMENT Member UncommonPosts: 701

    I completyl agree without ALOT more players  this game does'nt have alot to offer,with more players would be a different story completly.

  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316

    Vanguard actually gave me anal poisoning. And my girlfriend had to wipe me

  • JenakaJenaka Member Posts: 56
    Originally posted by Sneakers05


    Vanguard actually gave me anal poisoning. And my girlfriend had to wipe me

    Uh, that's not what it means when it's says insert CD.

  • firefly2003firefly2003 Member UncommonPosts: 2,527
    Originally posted by mrxtreme


    Tired of World of Warcraft, Warhammer Online, Age of Conan, even Aion? If so, give Vanguard: Saga of Heroes a try for FREE!
    [Mod Edit]

    No... Plus also its owned by $OE another reason not to play before you know it they will have a item , card game scheme in the works  for that game as well, just give it time.


  • pompey606pompey606 Member UncommonPosts: 439

    I have looked at all these people who have changed their minds, and now say we should play it. Yet im fairly sure I dont have the PC to run this game.

    I have an 8600GT

    Processor: Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU E6750 @ 2.66GHz (2 CPUs)

    Memory: 2048MB RAM

     

    Enough to get any joy out of this game?

     

    Regards,

     

    Pompey

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  • Sneakers05Sneakers05 Member Posts: 316

    Next person to mention vanguard on this site is gonna get a boot up their ass.

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