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ok just something that is starting to bug me
zeroskater
Member Posts: 176
what is with all these pvp obsesives that are just like "if you dont do pvp your a chicken and you suck"
dude get over it .if someone ants to do pve than that their damn choice. jesus its like the only way people will accept you in an mmorpg is by doing pvp.
personnaly im going to do pvp . im also going to do pve . i might go and try out an rp server. so shoot me im not a pvp fanatic.
so i ask again what the hell is wrong with all these people who seemingly hate and look down at everyone who donst do pvp ?
1,2 buckle my shoe 3,4 knock on the door 5,6 pick up sticks
7,8 GO AND SKATE !
without life we'd be dead.
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Basically, I think it's cos on some primal level we see PVE-ers as weak and cowardly. It's really not very hard at all to memorize and therefore anticipate and counter the actions of scripted mobs. People who prefer this method of gameplay come off as pretty lame as they like to consider themselves as being on the same level as PVP-ers and that's far from the case.
The true challenge is defeating opponents who think and react to your actions and outwitting/outplaying your opponent. AI mobs never lead you into an ambush or try to flank you, see what I'm saying here? Things like that.
I wish I could have been more specific in laying this all out for you but I've got a paper due on Tue. and I really don't feel like typing this all night instead of that.
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yeah but noone dose think of anyone else on a higher level .. at least i did pvp and i didnt . i just thought wow bunch of peopple going to kill each other. fine.
i dunno maybee some people just stop thinking about it as a game. rather a life . but really its a game it dosnt make you look hard. it dosnt make you strong or even in some cases give you the ability to cast magic fireballs.it just means you doing somthing you enjoy.
1,2 buckle my shoe 3,4 knock on the door 5,6 pick up sticks
7,8 GO AND SKATE !
without life we'd be dead.
i agree with you zeroskater...somehow when people PvP they think they are some hard ass mofo who will bust a cap in yo ass if you eva step into his hood...when in reality hes probably some nerdy ass kid sitting behind his keyboard....in dinosaur pajamas...
yeah but noone dose think of anyone else on a higher level .. at least i did pvp and i didnt . i just thought wow bunch of peopple going to kill each other. fine.
i dunno maybee some people just stop thinking about it as a game. rather a life . but really its a game it dosnt make you look hard. it dosnt make you strong or even in some cases give you the ability to cast magic fireballs.it just means you doing somthing you enjoy.
1,2 buckle my shoe 3,4 knock on the door 5,6 pick up sticks
7,8 GO AND SKATE !
its ego feeders for ppl who have low self worth and esteem imo.Not to mention I rarely pvp no other options in the area I live in but 56k therefore I am already at a huge disadvatage if I even wanna try mass pvp much less do it.
I started out on Frostwolf (PVP) but the hideous wait times and the fact that some people were already level 35 on the server really turned me off. Going through contested territory blew, because you couldn't hide due to having your damn name show up about a 100 feet away from the enemy who were about 15 levels above you and being total asses. I like fighting other players but when you can't try to duck out of combat or hide from levels that are so outrageously above you, it really makes it not much fun. I was level 17 too. So I switched over to a low PVE server named Dragonblight and I got to say, I can finally explore without having to worry about my name being displayed half way across the map to some enemy with no chance of escape.
I'm having much more fun as well. Maybe i'll give pvp another chance sometime, but they really need to get rid of how the name displays in contested areas. :-/
I couldn't have said it better myself. What is the point in becoming good if not for defeating a live oponent. I will never understand RP=ers and PVE-ers.
And cuzzo220, YES PvP-ers are "baf ass mofos", i wouldnt call myself that but to use your term. Why are we like that ? Because we know every class with it's weaknesses and advantages, things you can only understand only if you pvp and see how the work on your own skin, therefore, if you PVE for 3 months then feel "ubber" and come to duel someone don't be amazed by the fact that a constant PvP-er 10 levels lower then you will wipe the floor with your wannabe ass.
my 2 cents.
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If I wanted to PvP I'd play a shooter or something, I never really liked PvP in MMORPG's, except for when its all-out PvP with heavy consequences (where you can kill ANYONE at any time, ala L2, but with heavier consequences)
The thing you leep forgetting is that PvP exist on PvE and RP servers as well, it's just that a lvl 60 a-hole can't attack a lvl 5 newbie. That's what most PvP'ers seem to be about. Not defeating an equal opponent, but to harass people with much lower levels. If you venture into Enemy territory, you're asking to be attacked no matter what server you are on, but it's at the enemies terms, just as you can attack an Enemy player on your turn if he comes around to your factions territory.
The people accusing others of being lame are the ones who are truly lame. PvP can be awsome fun, with the right people, not some wannabe 1337 preteens with about as mindless as an inflated volleyball. Sure there's a lot of decent people with brains to on PvP, but they are in vast minority.
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"Been there, done that!"
I don't understand why people who do PVP look down on non PvPers either.
It's just a choice..
I'm in a guild that spans several games atm. Some people have chosen EQ2 because they don't like PvP. Nobody thinks less of that, if they have more fun killing monsters then that's fine. The rest of us are playing WoW because we either like PvP, or don't mind the occasional PvP.
Personally I find both PvP and PvE fun.
That's what I'm trying to say really, the whole point of playing these games is to have FUN.
If you're PvPing, killing monsters, exploring..whatever...if you're having fun then it's all good
PVP = Challenge
PVE = No Challenge
You prefer no challenge and thats it.
Im not a nerd sitting in my dinosaur pyjamas talking trash, i am however a guy with a steady job and a family who just seem to enjoy playing with other ppl in a competitive manner.
And yes i dont get why ppl dont enjoy the challenge of pvp but i respect that some ppl wants to play without it.
Stop this discussion allready its pointless...
/Cheers
PvE can be a challenge in games like FFXI...
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"Arguing on the Internet is like running the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
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"Flamers, beware! when you leave this earth, there is a very special place reserved for you down below with romantic bonefires scourching you bones!"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
PVP is at the same time both More exciting and yet more frustrating. It could be deemd more 'harder' but that depends really on the players experience.
It could be deemd 'easier' as well. PVP servers force you to group a little bit more when you enter Contested areas... just for survivals sake hehe :P.
Basically PVE and PVP have their bonuses and downsides. People who enter PVP like to kill other people but MUST acknowledge that the same could happen to them ALOT.
If they agree with this and dont whine when they get ganked 3-4 times in a play session then they will enjoy it. If they dont like this then they should go to PVE.
PVP is annoying when you get killed but enjoyable when you slaughter another. Thats all.
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I am not knocking anyone who plays PvE but I feel that the core concept of the game is the Horde vs the Alliance. Without PvP, I believe that WoW looses some of it's appeal. But this is only my opinion and should not be read into as any kind of fact.
<sigh> How many times do you need to be told? PvP exist on PvE and RP servers as well, only difference is that people can't PK anyone unless they want to engage as well, or are stupid enough to walk into Enemy territory. And since most people that venture to Hostile territory usually is so much higher level than the people they want to fight, it's a real good thing they can't engage unless attacked themselves. I wouldn't mind full PvP on all servers, provided you can't engage an enemy with a level-differance of no more than ±5 levels ♣
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"Arguing on the Internet is like running the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
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"Flamers, beware! when you leave this earth, there is a very special place reserved for you down below with romantic bonefires scourching you bones!"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
its realistic tho :P
Your out mining and an alliance party strolls by.
They aint gonna invite you for a cup of tea are they?
They gonna murder your ass,.
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It adds an extra complexity to the game if you ask me
But i think its fair they have seperate PVE and PVP servers so you get the choice. You wanna Gank? Then be prepared to be Ganked.
You dont wanna Gank? Then you wont be ganked either.
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Am I wrong, or is PvP totally consentual on the normal servers? Well, with the exception of the "battlegrounds" that are basically what the arenas were in EQ. I may be wrong, so if I am , my apologies.
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"Arguing on the Internet is like running the Special Olympics. Even if you win you're still a retard"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
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"Flamers, beware! when you leave this earth, there is a very special place reserved for you down below with romantic bonefires scourching you bones!"
"I have no prejudices, I hate everyone equally regardless of race or religion"
"Been there, done that!"
As someone else keeps posting ... they aren't murdering anyone. If you DON'T attack them, they CAN'T attack you. It is only if you decide you want to fight them that they will attack you.
I was in two PvP situations over the weekend. In the first one, I pulled the trigger. In the second, I let them live because I had something else to do and there was a huge mob following them.
As far as PvP versus PvE, the comparison is silly. I too will play both - but will primarily play on PvP. But here is the reality, the reality is, if you are in a contested town, it will be more or less a constant thing (or at least common) to have PvP fights. If you are out in the Styx, you may come across the enemy, but the place is friggin huge, so that will probably be rare.
I plan (as a member of the Horde) to penetrate human and night elf territory for raiding purposes. The reality of that is that there isn't much you can do. Sure, you can cause a lot of excitement, but it isn't like you are going to keep the land that you take. So you kill an NPC, cut off some ears for souveneirs, and get the hell out of dodge. Then sit around the campfire and tell some stories.
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This is so sad you talkof skills but this is an MMOPRG and the only skill is who is higher level, the best kit. There is no player skill you just mash buttons. Between two identical characters the only difference in the outcome would be down to the pure chance of the games random number generator.
If you want to feel UBER play an FPS or an online racing game where the deciding factor if player skill.
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Thats a pretty weird statement...
You can control the situation as the data there is allready static thus its pretty easy to adapt into the situation presented.
Player vs player offer the dynamic in also adapting to your surrounds without being slaves of scripted action ( static )
Yes you could consider it to be a challenge to take on mobs 10 levels higher than you but that was not really the arguement here.
The poster wondered why PvP´ers in some cases looked down ( i prefer dont understand ) people who refuse to PvP. And my arguement is still the same.
PvP is a offers an environment you cannot fully anticipate thus you have a greater challenge to adept too.
PvE will be learned fast because it is flawed by the fundemental scripted logic and will never offer the same dynamics as another player can to a challenge.
Soloing mobs for the challenge is simply a result of a game that is too easy. ( all mmorpgs are too easy, wow included )
PVP = adrenalin rush
PVE = gets boring fast
I still respect those who do not wish to be part of pvp and maybe my opinions are biased due to playing a lot of pvp mmorpgs but i havent seen one arguement that made me understand why you prefer PvE over PvP.
/Cheers
everyone does pve no matter what type of server you play on. you don't get exp and lvl's by pvp do you? no you don't. you have to fight mobs to level. i play on a pve server and will pvp when i want and do raids when i want. this is my choice make yours and be happy with it no matter what anyone says.