It seems concerns about future change are well founded...for those of you excited about real pvp and the hype, expect MO to be a repeat of darkfall or worse. The funny thing is i was just expressing concern over losing the good qualities of the game should the carebears want to make it like wow. Apparently they didnt like those thoughts. I dont think i was being negative...Iwas actually excited about the game and its why i brought it up. Oh well needsless to say they attacked me for no good reason...
If anything is fair for you, it should be perma ban.
MO is trying to avoid the road of DF, or it should. We do not want another demise like DF, we hope MO can get somewhere solid and grow. And what are you doing in the MO forum? Smack talks, insults to random people using terms like "carebear".
I am glad they even talk to you and care to explain. You and your line of talking deserve an outright ban. MO seems far more tolerant than average. Its also good they refrain from the "this game is not for carebear" propaganda. They can be making a niche game, but they did not start their first day by insulting everyone else. DF took that path and we all know where it ends up.
LOL. This dude had a bitchfit because the mods locked his thread. NERD-RAGE TO TEH MAXXXXX!!!1!!!!
Grow up Poopookazoo. MO is going to rock your socks. I hope to see you in game. I could always use a spare set of armor.
The problem wasnt even that they locked his thread. They never have its actually still open. In fact, he never even had a mod or dev post in it. Like grunty said, hes pissed because of the reputation system, other forum members gave him negative reputation because hes calling everyone who doesent agree with him a carebear.
He comes here to post his sensationalist story hoping to trash MO claiming he was a LOYAL FAN!!!
In all seriousness though. The Star Vault devs are probably some of the best I have ever seen as far as community participation and interaction. Got to love the indy studios. Where else can you and eveyrone you know go play Ultima Online with the company CEO, have him fund your in game ventures just so he can try to demonstrate to the community what he is trying to bring back.
Like i said im over it now, but one thing has to be clarified...they did lock the thread and i lost more than one point so i find the timing of it all suspect since it happened all same time and such i dont think it was user caused on my rep, now they unlocked it a nice finishing touch to smear me...i supposed its just my word now so im only going to say that its easy to manipulate forums after the fact...so im dropping it already, all can stop posting now and let it die since this is just a drama and i really wasted my time just to be spiteful for the heck of it, i really joined their forums since day one just so i could shoot myself in the foot. For those who suggested neg repping me now really have missed the point, as my chances for beta ended when they singled me out so you cant hurt my chance anymore than happened and frankly whne you lose what you worked for you dont care at this point. Thats all i have to say this is my last message, i hope no one else bothers to post let the the thread die along with the truth that inspired it thats is how these things end i harbored no illusions, if it be a nerds rant it sure was not based on anger but a response to injury.
Holy hell, you sound worse then a religious fanatic trying to spread the word of "your" GOD. Get over yourself, you won't find your flock here or there, obviously. The fact you are whining (worse then a "carebear") over losing some meaningless forum point shows just how shallow you are. The fact that we all know you are still reading these posts suggests far more.
LOL. This dude had a bitchfit because the mods locked his thread. NERD-RAGE TO TEH MAXXXXX!!!1!!!!
Grow up Poopookazoo. MO is going to rock your socks. I hope to see you in game. I could always use a spare set of armor.
The problem wasnt even that they locked his thread. They never have its actually still open. In fact, he never even had a mod or dev post in it. Like grunty said, hes pissed because of the reputation system, other forum members gave him negative reputation because hes calling everyone who doesent agree with him a carebear.
He comes here to post his sensationalist story hoping to trash MO claiming he was a LOYAL FAN!!!
In all seriousness though. The Star Vault devs are probably some of the best I have ever seen as far as community participation and interaction. Got to love the indy studios. Where else can you and eveyrone you know go play Ultima Online with the company CEO, have him fund your in game ventures just so he can try to demonstrate to the community what he is trying to bring back.
Like i said im over it now, but one thing has to be clarified...they did lock the thread and i lost more than one point so i find the timing of it all suspect since it happened all same time and such i dont think it was user caused on my rep, now they unlocked it a nice finishing touch to smear me...i supposed its just my word now so im only going to say that its easy to manipulate forums after the fact...so im dropping it already, all can stop posting now and let it die since this is just a drama and i really wasted my time just to be spiteful for the heck of it, i really joined their forums since day one just so i could shoot myself in the foot. For those who suggested neg repping me now really have missed the point, as my chances for beta ended when they singled me out so you cant hurt my chance anymore than happened and frankly whne you lose what you worked for you dont care at this point. Thats all i have to say this is my last message, i hope no one else bothers to post let the the thread die along with the truth that inspired it thats is how these things end i harbored no illusions, if it be a nerds rant it sure was not based on anger but a response to injury.
Ah he was hoping for a beta slot. Now he lost his rep points he no longer believe he can gain free access and free gameplay (aka beta), So the outburst. If the developer promise him access to beta, I bet he will be happy.
What do you think will happen next? He is not talking anymore, he is busy making new accounts in the forum and fight for a beta again.
care bear is hardly offensive or vulgar. But anyways it seems majority opinion is against me so i must be wrong, im moving on. Perhaps this is a good thing, universe has a way of giving everyone what is right for them, beacuse of this its probably not a loss, im sure it was for a reason, the future will be interesting to watch signing off -pupuzu
No it's not vulgar, but it's offensive in the sense that we're all bored of hearing that term bandied about just as much as we're all bored sick tired of hearing "go back to WoW if you don't like it". It's the modern pat response that unimaginative gamers say when they don't have anything else to add to a conversation that's even vaguely intelligent.
And the mod was pretty easy going concerning your thread. You just kept bitching and moaning and bandying the word "carebear" around so much, you were like a broken record. They said in very clear terms... "we don't give a crap what other players want added to detracted from the game" (paraphrasing sorry) so technically they were siding with you. You just wouldn't stfu about it all though.
The only issue I saw on that thread was Papuzu acting like a little biatch trying to disparage others to make himself feel superior. What a generation of girly men we got goin over here in the states. Tryin to make themselves feel tough by playing a video game. Cowards. Eh, oh well.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?" (Psalm 94:16)
Pupuzu, please, take your rubbish back to the DF forums. All you've proven is you're hardcore at "whining like a lil' beyatch".
If you cant post intelligently, dont post at all. Step 1, after you draft up a post, if it contains the word "carebear", press the cancel button. And all your woes will be solved.
Wow, if your skin is this thin, you won't last an hour in MO. Grow a pair and stop whining, no one was insulting you. Furthermore, it was probably the players that took away your rep.
A software house puts in a significant investment in making a product for you to enjoy, they host a forum so that they can communicate the development process to you as a potential customer (They don't have to do this by the way!) If done constructively it's a two way channel for them to gather ideas and to move the product along their design brief whilst adding in those extra wow that would be cool nuggets.
Do not be under any illusion that a sole voice is going to change develop path period. For money to be put on the table a target demographic is identified and the product hooks are already set in stone. Development requires investment and investors want a plan.
You got your wrist slapped for a number of reasons, you can offer you thought and views up in the hope that someone spots it and incorporates your "personal" wish into the game but it's like winning the lottery with the same odds. I have worked in the industry and I know that the guys at the sharp end of the stick making the product are passionate and burn some serious candle light to make things happen. No-one intentionally goes out of their way to product flame inducing rubbish, if they do then please save yourself the dev time and send a cheque to me with lots of zeros on it.
Please be serious and constructive and not so over dramatic, if your paying for development you get a say. If not the hope, that what you want is in line with the development architecture and that you can help add that sparkle factor.
It seems concerns about future change are well founded...for those of you excited about real pvp and the hype, expect MO to be a repeat of darkfall or worse. The funny thing is i was just expressing concern over losing the good qualities of the game should the carebears want to make it like wow. Apparently they didnt like those thoughts. I dont think i was being negative...Iwas actually excited about the game and its why i brought it up. Oh well needsless to say they attacked me for no good reason...
It seems concerns about future change are well founded...for those of you excited about real pvp and the hype, expect MO to be a repeat of darkfall or worse. The funny thing is i was just expressing concern over losing the good qualities of the game should the carebears want to make it like wow. Apparently they didnt like those thoughts. I dont think i was being negative...Iwas actually excited about the game and its why i brought it up. Oh well needsless to say they attacked me for no good reason...
"I think your fears are best dealt with by explaining the gaming background of starvault itself.
Henrik (the CEO) played a red in UO for many years, he witnessed first hand trammel and insurance and how all of that can decimate a good game.
Starvault have said that they are making a hardcore niche game, so they dont give one crap about people saying "do this, its good for your business!" and whining for whatever feature they want put in. So overall, I would say that your fears have no application to SV, at least at this time."
I'm not sure how this is an attack.
He pretty much addressed your concern in a way that I found reasurring.
I'm a little lost on how the OP can consider this to be any sort of an attack.
Not sure if the OP has posted and left, but this might be part of your reputation loss:
berjd @16:42 Got to be some balance to allow new players to at least get a feel for the game, before they are slaughtered. I would be equally unhappy if MO catered to the people that felt the hieght of PvP is running around naked [violating] newbies 15 hours a day. However much fun it is.
pupuzu @17:01 lol as a newb, if you cant handle getting [violating] all the time, then you have a weak will. A newb should epect to be bagged countless of times on his journey to becoming a harcore player, to persevere over adversity and challenges improving your skills and craft along the way will form veterans in the long run out of them, it will make a newb worthy.
berjd @17:40 I am pretty happy about FFA full loot, burning stuff down would also be pretty good. However I would like someplace where I can relax, an do other stuff not involving manic violence and a face full of underpants. I like what the devs outlined in the PPP, thought there was a lot of things that are going to produce a great unique experince, though I can understand why they could see a need to limit certian freedoms, for a better new player experince. Maybe I am a secret carebear
pupuzu @18:20 see i knew it they have already infiltrated the boards...i fear the worst will come to pass after all...you heard it here first all i called the eventual WoWfication of this game its not a matter of if but when
pupuzu @19:09 some one just took away my only reputation point
Maybe your comments were meant to come across as snarky/sarcastic, but it reads like you are attacking berjd. If it was meant to be snark, I'd like to note that doesn't come across well in print. Emoticons are your friend. By the way, no i am NOT berjd. P.S. When I'm referring to snark, I mean the comment at 18:20. The comments at 17:01, Iconsider an honest, if crude, expression of what he expects from a game. Also [violated] i substituted for a reference to a specific sexual act, cause I'm not sure about whether it crosses the line.
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If anything is fair for you, it should be perma ban.
MO is trying to avoid the road of DF, or it should. We do not want another demise like DF, we hope MO can get somewhere solid and grow. And what are you doing in the MO forum? Smack talks, insults to random people using terms like "carebear".
I am glad they even talk to you and care to explain. You and your line of talking deserve an outright ban. MO seems far more tolerant than average. Its also good they refrain from the "this game is not for carebear" propaganda. They can be making a niche game, but they did not start their first day by insulting everyone else. DF took that path and we all know where it ends up.
The problem wasnt even that they locked his thread. They never have its actually still open. In fact, he never even had a mod or dev post in it. Like grunty said, hes pissed because of the reputation system, other forum members gave him negative reputation because hes calling everyone who doesent agree with him a carebear.
He comes here to post his sensationalist story hoping to trash MO claiming he was a LOYAL FAN!!!
In all seriousness though. The Star Vault devs are probably some of the best I have ever seen as far as community participation and interaction. Got to love the indy studios. Where else can you and eveyrone you know go play Ultima Online with the company CEO, have him fund your in game ventures just so he can try to demonstrate to the community what he is trying to bring back.
Like i said im over it now, but one thing has to be clarified...they did lock the thread and i lost more than one point so i find the timing of it all suspect since it happened all same time and such i dont think it was user caused on my rep, now they unlocked it a nice finishing touch to smear me...i supposed its just my word now so im only going to say that its easy to manipulate forums after the fact...so im dropping it already, all can stop posting now and let it die since this is just a drama and i really wasted my time just to be spiteful for the heck of it, i really joined their forums since day one just so i could shoot myself in the foot. For those who suggested neg repping me now really have missed the point, as my chances for beta ended when they singled me out so you cant hurt my chance anymore than happened and frankly whne you lose what you worked for you dont care at this point. Thats all i have to say this is my last message, i hope no one else bothers to post let the the thread die along with the truth that inspired it thats is how these things end i harbored no illusions, if it be a nerds rant it sure was not based on anger but a response to injury.
Holy hell, you sound worse then a religious fanatic trying to spread the word of "your" GOD. Get over yourself, you won't find your flock here or there, obviously. The fact you are whining (worse then a "carebear") over losing some meaningless forum point shows just how shallow you are. The fact that we all know you are still reading these posts suggests far more.
They didn't attack you and you talk too much...
The problem wasnt even that they locked his thread. They never have its actually still open. In fact, he never even had a mod or dev post in it. Like grunty said, hes pissed because of the reputation system, other forum members gave him negative reputation because hes calling everyone who doesent agree with him a carebear.
He comes here to post his sensationalist story hoping to trash MO claiming he was a LOYAL FAN!!!
In all seriousness though. The Star Vault devs are probably some of the best I have ever seen as far as community participation and interaction. Got to love the indy studios. Where else can you and eveyrone you know go play Ultima Online with the company CEO, have him fund your in game ventures just so he can try to demonstrate to the community what he is trying to bring back.
Like i said im over it now, but one thing has to be clarified...they did lock the thread and i lost more than one point so i find the timing of it all suspect since it happened all same time and such i dont think it was user caused on my rep, now they unlocked it a nice finishing touch to smear me...i supposed its just my word now so im only going to say that its easy to manipulate forums after the fact...so im dropping it already, all can stop posting now and let it die since this is just a drama and i really wasted my time just to be spiteful for the heck of it, i really joined their forums since day one just so i could shoot myself in the foot. For those who suggested neg repping me now really have missed the point, as my chances for beta ended when they singled me out so you cant hurt my chance anymore than happened and frankly whne you lose what you worked for you dont care at this point. Thats all i have to say this is my last message, i hope no one else bothers to post let the the thread die along with the truth that inspired it thats is how these things end i harbored no illusions, if it be a nerds rant it sure was not based on anger but a response to injury.
Ah he was hoping for a beta slot. Now he lost his rep points he no longer believe he can gain free access and free gameplay (aka beta), So the outburst. If the developer promise him access to beta, I bet he will be happy.
What do you think will happen next? He is not talking anymore, he is busy making new accounts in the forum and fight for a beta again.
No it's not vulgar, but it's offensive in the sense that we're all bored of hearing that term bandied about just as much as we're all bored sick tired of hearing "go back to WoW if you don't like it". It's the modern pat response that unimaginative gamers say when they don't have anything else to add to a conversation that's even vaguely intelligent.
And the mod was pretty easy going concerning your thread. You just kept bitching and moaning and bandying the word "carebear" around so much, you were like a broken record. They said in very clear terms... "we don't give a crap what other players want added to detracted from the game" (paraphrasing sorry) so technically they were siding with you. You just wouldn't stfu about it all though.
Oh, and Midol is your friend.
The only issue I saw on that thread was Papuzu acting like a little biatch trying to disparage others to make himself feel superior. What a generation of girly men we got goin over here in the states. Tryin to make themselves feel tough by playing a video game. Cowards. Eh, oh well.
"The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -Edmund Burke
Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? or who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?"
(Psalm 94:16)
The carebears are coming, the sky is falling!!!!
Pupuzu, please, take your rubbish back to the DF forums. All you've proven is you're hardcore at "whining like a lil' beyatch".
If you cant post intelligently, dont post at all. Step 1, after you draft up a post, if it contains the word "carebear", press the cancel button. And all your woes will be solved.
why the hell is this one still open? yes i know i just bumped it but can we please get this pathetic failure closed? thx
Wow, if your skin is this thin, you won't last an hour in MO. Grow a pair and stop whining, no one was insulting you. Furthermore, it was probably the players that took away your rep.
To the OP, Stop and think a second please...
A software house puts in a significant investment in making a product for you to enjoy, they host a forum so that they can communicate the development process to you as a potential customer (They don't have to do this by the way!) If done constructively it's a two way channel for them to gather ideas and to move the product along their design brief whilst adding in those extra wow that would be cool nuggets.
Do not be under any illusion that a sole voice is going to change develop path period. For money to be put on the table a target demographic is identified and the product hooks are already set in stone. Development requires investment and investors want a plan.
You got your wrist slapped for a number of reasons, you can offer you thought and views up in the hope that someone spots it and incorporates your "personal" wish into the game but it's like winning the lottery with the same odds. I have worked in the industry and I know that the guys at the sharp end of the stick making the product are passionate and burn some serious candle light to make things happen. No-one intentionally goes out of their way to product flame inducing rubbish, if they do then please save yourself the dev time and send a cheque to me with lots of zeros on it.
Please be serious and constructive and not so over dramatic, if your paying for development you get a say. If not the hope, that what you want is in line with the development architecture and that you can help add that sparkle factor.
End of first post rant..
i must agree MO did not attack you at all
Quit being such a carebear about your rep points
I really didnt see any attacks on ya...
I do think your concerns are invalid though...
you are a carebear, I'd attack you too. except they totally didnt attack you. your totally asking for it though.
I have no clue why the OP had to make this post... Can one of the MMORPG mods remove this thread?
This is what the mod said:
"I think your fears are best dealt with by explaining the gaming background of starvault itself.
Henrik (the CEO) played a red in UO for many years, he witnessed first hand trammel and insurance and how all of that can decimate a good game.
Starvault have said that they are making a hardcore niche game, so they dont give one crap about people saying "do this, its good for your business!" and whining for whatever feature they want put in. So overall, I would say that your fears have no application to SV, at least at this time."
I'm not sure how this is an attack.
He pretty much addressed your concern in a way that I found reasurring.
I'm a little lost on how the OP can consider this to be any sort of an attack.
Not sure if the OP has posted and left, but this might be part of your reputation loss:
berjd @16:42 Got to be some balance to allow new players to at least get a feel for the game, before they are slaughtered. I would be equally unhappy if MO catered to the people that felt the hieght of PvP is running around naked [violating] newbies 15 hours a day. However much fun it is.
pupuzu @17:01 lol as a newb, if you cant handle getting [violating] all the time, then you have a weak will. A newb should epect to be bagged countless of times on his journey to becoming a harcore player, to persevere over adversity and challenges improving your skills and craft along the way will form veterans in the long run out of them, it will make a newb worthy.
berjd @17:40 I am pretty happy about FFA full loot, burning stuff down would also be pretty good. However I would like someplace where I can relax, an do other stuff not involving manic violence and a face full of underpants. I like what the devs outlined in the PPP, thought there was a lot of things that are going to produce a great unique experince, though I can understand why they could see a need to limit certian freedoms, for a better new player experince. Maybe I am a secret carebear
pupuzu @18:20 see i knew it they have already infiltrated the boards...i fear the worst will come to pass after all...you heard it here first all i called the eventual WoWfication of this game its not a matter of if but when
pupuzu @19:09 some one just took away my only reputation point
Maybe your comments were meant to come across as snarky/sarcastic, but it reads like you are attacking berjd. If it was meant to be snark, I'd like to note that doesn't come across well in print. Emoticons are your friend. By the way, no i am NOT berjd. P.S. When I'm referring to snark, I mean the comment at 18:20. The comments at 17:01, Iconsider an honest, if crude, expression of what he expects from a game. Also [violated] i substituted for a reference to a specific sexual act, cause I'm not sure about whether it crosses the line.
The Mod should have followed up with a good "stfu slapping" after closing the thread as far as i'm concerned.
Farewell...