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Girl was taught black people should die, Manitoba court hears
mlauzon
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WINNIPEG -- A young girl at the centre of a child custody battle was taught by her parents that minorities should be killed and was also exposed to violent, racist videos, a court was told Monday.
The elementary-school-aged child was familiar with Nazi phrases such as "Heil Hitler," used racial epithets and would talk calmly about how black people could be killed, a social worker testified.
"She said you would whip black people with a ball and chain and they would die," testified the social worker, who cannot be identified under Manitoba law.
The worker was the first witness at a trial that is to determine whether the province's child welfare system will gain permanent custody of the girl and her pre-school-aged brother, who were seized from their parental home last year.
The social worker was called to the girl's school after she showed up with white supremacist slogans written on her skin -- writings which she appeared to understand fully.
"She told me that what people don't understand is that black people should die," the social worker said. "She stated that everyone who is not white should die.
"She said that white children are not safe because of 'niggers.' "
The child repeatedly used racial slurs about blacks, Asians, Arabs and other minorities during a 45-minute conversation, the social worker testified, and believed any visible minority was a threat to white children.
When child welfare workers visited the family home later, they found white supremacist paraphernalia. Court heard the children also had access to a skinhead website and were shown videos depicting racial violence.
The girl's mother has denied teaching her children hatred. She was not in court and her request for an adjournment though a lawyer was denied. The stepfather, who is fighting to regain custody on constitutional grounds, sat quietly, frequently biting his nails.
In court documents, the father argues the seizure of his children violates his freedom of conscience, belief and association under the Charter of Rights and Freedoms.
"I believe that there is no legal basis for the children having been apprehended," he wrote in an affidavit.
Manitoba Child and Family Services has cited other reasons for removing the kids -- alleged drug use by the parents, unsanitary conditions in the home and a suspicion by school officials that the parents were paying teenaged babysitters with alcohol.
The man's lawyer, however, suggested there is little evidence to back up those allegations, and accused the social worker of taking the children away simply because of their parents' controversial beliefs.
"What (the girl) was saying to you was offensive to you," the lawyer suggested to the social worker. "It's not part of your belief structure, it's not something you would teach your child."
The worker responded by saying her prime concern was the calm, matter-of-fact manner in which the girl spoke of killing people on the basis of skin colour.
The case has garnered international attention and sparked debate over how far parents can go to instill beliefs in their children.
The court hearing is scheduled to run all week and for another week at the end of June.
Source: Yahoo! Canada News
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Michael
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Where Did I put that Rope... *Wonders out to the garage*
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I don't see any valid reason for removing this girl from her home.
Yes her parients are promoting hate. Yes it's wrong on many levels, but raising their daughter to hate minorities isn't illegal.
I just wanna know how school officials ever got the idea that babysitters were paid in alcohol
Does this litle girls literally walk into school and share things like "my daddy paid my babysitter with whiskey"?
When you enstill idea's that radical and unpopular in children at least try and teach them tact or better yet homeschool them, particularly if your scared of minorities killing your children
either way the parents are way out of line morally for what they teach their children, but legally the arguement could go both ways.
98% of the teenage population does or has tried smoking pot. If you''re one of the 2% who hasn''t, copy & paste this in your signature.
Actually, they are promoting murder.
If the parents were just teaching that "White people smell like fish" or "Martians suck" or "Chinese people cause food shortages" or some other crazy hate stuff, that's their right.
Advocating violence and murder is not a constitutional right in Canada I don't believe, unless their charter is different than the U.S.
"TO MICHAEL!"
Actually, they are promoting murder.
If the parents were just teaching that "White people smell like fish" or "Martians suck" or "Chinese people cause food shortages" or some other crazy hate stuff, that's their right.
Advocating violence and murder is not a constitutional right in Canada I don't believe, unless their charter is different than the U.S.
Do you know what the Freedom of Speech is?
You sure like to talk on and on about Constitutional Rights a lot, but know nothing about them. The Federalist Papers and Founding Fathers said that Freedom of Speech is to protect unpopular speech, not, "Freedom of Speech, unless it hurts somebodys' feelings."
You Liberals are just as bad as the Conservatives. Here's my proof.
newsfromthewest.blogspot.com/2008/05/anti-white-university-professors-and.html
Want another?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN5StQAr7n0&feature=PlayList&p=25BCFC592879A169&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=1
But these are ok right? Because they just want to kill White people. Now if you will excuse me, I have to go to my White Guilt Indoctrination class.
Actually, they are promoting murder.
If the parents were just teaching that "White people smell like fish" or "Martians suck" or "Chinese people cause food shortages" or some other crazy hate stuff, that's their right.
Advocating violence and murder is not a constitutional right in Canada I don't believe, unless their charter is different than the U.S.
As long as the girl doesn't kill anyone it's legal. At least in America it would be. You can walk around saying kill ni**ers all day. As long as no one does it it's legal. Even if they do it has to be attributed to you. Hate speech is legal, hate crimes aren't.
For those of you who are not Canadian -- and even for some of you that are Canadian, but don't know the Code -- here is copy of the relevant section of the Criminal Code of Canada:
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Michael
Yea, they're guilty as hell by those standards.
What's the penalty for raising your child to be a genocidal war-machine in Canada anyway?
In America it's a 15 minute time-out and no extra juice box for lunch.
LOL... Yeah... got to love that first amendment(Which I support by the way).
Anyways... Where the hell do you find these stories mlauzon? Can't you at least once post a story about... I don't know, puppies and kittens?
Bren
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There's never really any news about puppies & kittens unless it's a slow news day -- week, or month -- so I post what I find or hear on the news then go looking for an online version.
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Michael
Wow, for all the people that believe you can go around threatening violence all you want; are you not accustomed to the law?
Never hear of criminal or terrorist threats? It's criminal; depending on the state you get a misdemeanor or even a felony. You can't walk around threatening to kill people or talk about killing people and expect Constitutional rights.
Is that the issue with the child? Yep. But only in the way that it qualifies as child endangerment the same way as teaching or subjecting a child to any other criminal activity.
We've uh, passed a LOT of legislation since the Constitution was written. You don't always have your constitutional rights. A sure fire way to end up in jail is to live life constantly referencing the Constitution solely.
You do know that this takes place in Canada, not in the US..?!
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Michael
All the same, Canada has criminal threat and child endangerment related laws as well.
http://www.criminallawyervancouver.com/criminalharassment.html
http://www.criminallawyervancouver.com/utteringthreats.html
What are you talking about? This happens all the time unchecked by all kinds of people on tv and university profs, etc.
I didn't feel like typing that again mluazon, but it applies to this misguided "patriot", lol.
"TO MICHAEL!"
What are you talking about? This happens all the time unchecked by all kinds of people on tv and university profs, etc.
Assault and battery, theft and so on happen all the time as well. Criminal proceedings require a complaint first.
What I'm talking about is the LAW. You probably break a few a week (and me as well); but that doesn't mean those laws doesn't exist.
What are you talking about? This happens all the time unchecked by all kinds of people on tv and university profs, etc.
Assault and battery, theft and so on happen all the time as well. Criminal proceedings require a complaint first.
What I'm talking about is the LAW. You probably break a few a week (and me as well); but that doesn't mean those laws doesn't exist.
So people on tv or university professors calling for the extermination of a race is ok unless someone complains about it? Because there are many complaints about these people and I have seen nothing happen to them.
Did you even bother to read the section of the Criminal Code of Canada that I posted which is more relevant than what you linked to..?!:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2849124
Not to mention each Province and/or Territory has modified laws based off of Federal laws, however there are Federal laws that supercede Provincial laws.
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Michael
What are you talking about? This happens all the time unchecked by all kinds of people on tv and university profs, etc.
Assault and battery, theft and so on happen all the time as well. Criminal proceedings require a complaint first.
What I'm talking about is the LAW. You probably break a few a week (and me as well); but that doesn't mean those laws doesn't exist.
So people on tv or university professors calling for the extermination of a race is ok unless someone complains about it? Because there are many complaints about these people and I have seen nothing happen to them.
Then the complaints weren't legitimate, i.e. the complaining person wasn't directly threatened. What you're describing is idle chatter that isn't at all credible; be it neo-nazis or that former NCSU professor that went on CSPAN and called for the extermination of white people.
It's a view until its a threat; and the view stops being such when specifics come into play, like a person or a place.
Then the complaints weren't legitimate, i.e. the complaining person wasn't directly threatened. What you're describing is idle chatter that isn't at all credible; be it neo-nazis or that former NCSU professor that went on CSPAN and called for the extermination of white people.
It's a view until its a threat; and the view stops being such when specifics come into play, like a person or a place.
So who was the little girl naming? Seriously, I must have missed that part.
N/M it was nobody. It was just a view.
All the same, Canada has criminal threat and child endangerment related laws as well.
http://www.criminallawyervancouver.com/criminalharassment.html
http://www.criminallawyervancouver.com/utteringthreats.html
Did you even bother to read the section of the Criminal Code of Canada that I posted which is more relevant than what you linked to..?!:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/2849124
Not to mention each Province and/or Territory has modified laws based off of Federal laws, however there are Federal laws that supercede Provincial laws.
You're responding me, I wasn't initially responding to you. You were addressing hate crimes in particular; I was addressing the broader mish-mash of law similarities be it the US and Canada pertaining to whatever race involved. So I wasn't ignoring you or your posts, I was making a point that crimes can become crimes before they're committed if you threaten it, be it hate laws, child endangerment laws, or the aforementioned laws regarding threats and harassment.
Then the complaints weren't legitimate, i.e. the complaining person wasn't directly threatened. What you're describing is idle chatter that isn't at all credible; be it neo-nazis or that former NCSU professor that went on CSPAN and called for the extermination of white people.
It's a view until its a threat; and the view stops being such when specifics come into play, like a person or a place.
So who was the little girl naming? Seriously, I must have missed that part.
When did I say the little girl was guilty of anything that'd require her to have named someone? I said her parents should be found guilty for teaching criminal activity to a child.
Don't you agree? If not, it's a bit like believing its ok to teach a kid how to steal a car; so long as they don't actually steal one. You yourself can practice hotwiring all day long on your own car; but when you teach it to a child, child endangerment laws come into play.
When did I say the little girl was guilty of anything that'd require her to have named someone? I said her parents should be found guilty for teaching criminal activity to a child.
Don't you agree? If not, it's a bit like believing its ok to teach a kid how to steal a car; so long as they don't actually steal one. You yourself can practice hotwiring all day long on your own car; but when you teach it to a child, child endangerment laws come into play.
What was the criminal activity?
I think the parents are pretty crazy, but I fail to see a crime here.
Applies here too.
"TO MICHAEL!"
"TO MICHAEL!"