Yes, it's rather bright. It's not uncommon to get a worse sunburn in the winter, due to snow-glare, than you would in the summer. It gets, really, really.. bright.
I also live in a home surrounded by trees, save for the east side. It keeps most of the roof shaded from the sun, except for a fraction of the day, and yes.. limbs fall quite a lot, but the trees themselves do not hang directly over our home.
Hmm. That seems a little nonsensical doesn't it? Should I paint my dog white too? How about this instead: Lets look at some large surface area/ low albedo urban areas and examine what the effect would be on the regional heat budget to change to high albedo alternative surface coatings? It certainly won't single-handedly fix anthropogenic warming but it might help to slow it down. Too sensible/ logical for you? Perhaps you could offer an alternative conservative plan like.... We could all buy Hummer H3s and use as much petroleum as possible to stimulate economic growth and PROVE that we aren't going to let some quack scientists screw up our American way of life! Hell yeah!
I am not a conservative.
It's logical to not produce large amounts of paint to cover all our homes. The benefit of heat reflection would be minimal compared to the cost and consequence of all the paint.
I'd rather support that the general population learn how to make things once again. To learn how to produce some food for themselves and to reuse products or simply make things for themselves; instead of relying on mass-manufacturing for all things we eat, wear and use. Not only because it's good for the environment, it's just good old common sense that people are far too dependent on an outside source to survive.
Our huge manufacturing plants and the resulting by-products and waste that come with them are the problem. Forcing strict guidelines or resolutions to the general people that are literally struggling to get by, will not do anything, as they are generally not the problem. The only thing everybody is guilty of, is the dependence on mass-manufacturing, that is something we can all evolve away from.
<completely ignores aeroplane since he has nothing to say>
Enkindu, another good option is a new tech I saw on history/science channels, a type of printed plastic solar panels, if you can't reflect the light, use it. These panels are akin to a thick comic book sleeve so it can be put in every shape and fashion, wouldn't work on roads but green house gasses would take a serious blow.
Would be moronic to put new paint/ coatings on every roof on the planet, especially since they are all bare, unpainted, unsealed, uncovered surfaces.
Oh wait a minute...
It looks like I already have shingles on my roof...
And HOLY COW the roof of the building I work in is covered with roofing compound!
Wouldn't it be a hoot if we phased in new standards where new construction and new roofing used better HIGH ALBEDO materials instead of the standard LOW ALBEDO materials that are the current standard?
Damn that would be radical...
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Well, if an environmentally safe, cost-efficient product can be manufactured as a replacement, I say have at it.
How do you propose everyone pay for a new roof?
You could modify the current standards and code for building a house/structure, but it would take a really long, long time before you start seeing white roofing a common practice.
<completely ignores aeroplane since he has nothing to say> Enkindu, another good option is a new tech I saw on history/science channels, a type of printed plastic solar panels, if you can't reflect the light, use it. These panels are akin to a thick comic book sleeve so it can be put in every shape and fashion, wouldn't work on roads but green house gasses would take a serious blow.
One of the best options both in terms of carbon budget AND albedo with structures is the "greenroof."
Tons of other benefits as well.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Bear in mind also that paint production produces a lot of polution so just imagine how much paint would be needed to paint one country like say the UK. The ammount of pollution from energy usage to chemicals thrown away would be immense.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
<gives Hyperion a cookie> Here occupy yourself with that.
This is true and farming could also be brought into the city as well, but the issue with that is the water usage of the city would sky rocket, and though jobs would be created for gardeners, I am not entirely sure how that would work. Another issue would be all the smaller structures such as private homes.
Bear in mind also that paint production produces a lot of polution so just imagine how much paint would be needed to paint one country like say the UK. The ammount of pollution from energy usage to chemicals thrown away would be immense.
Yes, even if the supposed product were.. less of a pollutant. It will still be mass-produced and still very detrimental to the environment. It's incredibly similar to the hybrid car production. The cars are still rather expensive yet they still carry nearly the same cons that come with producing an automobile in a factory.
Same could be said with using "special" light bulbs. The cost and manufacturing process for the special bulbs (curly fixture design) are said to far outweigh the supposed benefit of actually using them.
Legitimate ways to reduce anthropogenic warming (like increasing albedo) are worthy of consideration, and making fun of them just because you do not fully understand the science helps no one.
Alternatively I'm scouting for property at 50 degrees latitude or higher that sits around 23 feet above sea level so my grandchildren will have a place for their new tropical beachhouse.
Actually, scratch that.. it will have to be around 210 ft MSL if antarctica melts too.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Here we go again. Another lame solution for something that isn't happening. LINK Kauffman cited Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu: "[he] says if all rooftops and roads in the world were made white it could combat global warming." A clip was played of Chu claiming: "That would be the equivalent as if you took off all the automobiles of the world for eleven years." Kauffman added: "Think of it this way, every year you would keep out of the atmosphere 2.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide or the emissions produced by 60 million cars. There’d be even more savings if roads and parking lots were not covered in black asphalt." Nye declared that asphalt was: "...absorbing more heat...squandering billions of tons of carbon dioxide every year."
global warming will happen
when it becomes an absolute certainty, when we have seen the flooding and loss of drinking water, is that when we should start combating global warming?
or should we be preparing now? it would be pretty catastrophic if what I read on aol a couple months ago becomes true... there was a timeline with photos and predictions of 1/4 of the people in our world being without water within the next 150 years. It might have been 1/3 of the people and it might have been less than 150 years... I dont remember honestly but would love to find that article of scientist predictions again just because why the hell would a strongly republican biased company like aol post news like that????
anyways I watched some of the Discover Project Eartl series once; one episode had guys experimenting on growing algae out in the ocean because algae absorbs CO2 and then half of all that algae sinks to the bottom of the ocean. the wholes series had a new idea for something on each episode... like dropping seeds out of airplanes, giant machines that remove carbon dioxide, floating turbines that create energy... blah blah blah... at the end of more than half the episodes someone would say whether continuing the projects was worth in. In many cases it would be way too costly. The algae idea didn't seem too costly.
Since Bush and other republicans began to mock global warming as a fake concern, I suppose Terry. Sorry, if you are a conservative and don't believe as such, but in general he who speaks last is the one most people remember, it's human nature. And I personally haven't heard any Republicans recently talking enviroment.
Here we go again. Another lame solution for something that isn't happening. LINK Kauffman cited Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu: "[he] says if all rooftops and roads in the world were made white it could combat global warming." A clip was played of Chu claiming: "That would be the equivalent as if you took off all the automobiles of the world for eleven years." Kauffman added: "Think of it this way, every year you would keep out of the atmosphere 2.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide or the emissions produced by 60 million cars. There’d be even more savings if roads and parking lots were not covered in black asphalt." Nye declared that asphalt was: "...absorbing more heat...squandering billions of tons of carbon dioxide every year."
Sorry I'm late but come on now outfctrl. If McCain was in office and was saying this stuff you would paint your roof snow white. Palin would be telling people to try to fart less. Come on now admit it.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Here we go again. Another lame solution for something that isn't happening. LINK Kauffman cited Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu: "[he] says if all rooftops and roads in the world were made white it could combat global warming." A clip was played of Chu claiming: "That would be the equivalent as if you took off all the automobiles of the world for eleven years." Kauffman added: "Think of it this way, every year you would keep out of the atmosphere 2.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide or the emissions produced by 60 million cars. There’d be even more savings if roads and parking lots were not covered in black asphalt." Nye declared that asphalt was: "...absorbing more heat...squandering billions of tons of carbon dioxide every year."
Sorry I'm late but come on now outfctrl. If McCain was in office and was saying this stuff you would paint your roof snow white. Palin would be telling people to try to fart less. Come on now admit it.
I swear, Brian. You just love to take stabs at me....LOL...back to the topic
While the reflection of visible light from white surfaces being an improvement over black colors, what many people don't realize is that lots of materials change emissive properties radically when you're talking about infrared (heat) wavelengths. For example, metal oxide paints, including titanium oxide (white) paint, are very emissive in the infrared, which means the only benefit you gain from them is the energy reflected in the visible wavelengths.
A better choice would be a metal foil coating, with gold being the best choice in the visible and infrared wavelengths. Better make sure your state has a Castle Doctrine first, though.
Intelligent discourse is better than namecalling for both of us, don't you think?
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Here we go again. Another lame solution for something that isn't happening. LINK Kauffman cited Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu: "[he] says if all rooftops and roads in the world were made white it could combat global warming." A clip was played of Chu claiming: "That would be the equivalent as if you took off all the automobiles of the world for eleven years." Kauffman added: "Think of it this way, every year you would keep out of the atmosphere 2.4 billion tons of carbon dioxide or the emissions produced by 60 million cars. There’d be even more savings if roads and parking lots were not covered in black asphalt." Nye declared that asphalt was: "...absorbing more heat...squandering billions of tons of carbon dioxide every year."
global warming will happen
when it becomes an absolute certainty, when we have seen the flooding and loss of drinking water, is that when we should start combating global warming?
or should we be preparing now? it would be pretty catastrophic if what I read on aol a couple months ago becomes true... there was a timeline with photos and predictions of 1/4 of the people in our world being without water within the next 150 years. It might have been 1/3 of the people and it might have been less than 150 years... I dont remember honestly but would love to find that article of scientist predictions again just because why the hell would a strongly republican biased company like aol post news like that????
anyways I watched some of the Discover Project Eartl series once; one episode had guys experimenting on growing algae out in the ocean because algae absorbs CO2 and then half of all that algae sinks to the bottom of the ocean. the wholes series had a new idea for something on each episode... like dropping seeds out of airplanes, giant machines that remove carbon dioxide, floating turbines that create energy... blah blah blah... at the end of more than half the episodes someone would say whether continuing the projects was worth in. In many cases it would be way too costly. The algae idea didn't seem too costly.
Global warming zealots are funny... they act like the average global temperature during the Cretaceous period wasn't 5° - 10 ° C warmer than it is today... you know back when people weren't around...
Global warming zealots are funny... they act like the average global temperature during the Cretaceous period wasn't 5° - 10 ° C warmer than it is today... you know back when people weren't around...
Yep those idiots seem to think minor changes in climate might affect our ability to provide food and water for the 6.7 billion people that ARE here now.
They also seem to think that the fossil record indicates that natural fluctuations in climate have been causing species extinction and ecological crises for adapted ecosystems since the beginning of time. They don't understand that people like us don't CARE if people are affecting the climate because everything we do is the will of god anyway and we love driving SUVs and transporting our lettuce by cargo jet.
Crazy ass zealots- one of them talked with me about global warming for 15 minutes over dinner last weekend.
All these people that took all these college and graduate classes in environmental and atmospheric sciences are pompous asses that don't know what the hell they are talking about, and I wish they would just shut up about all this "science."
Jeez.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Global warming zealots are funny... they act like the average global temperature during the Cretaceous period wasn't 5° - 10 ° C warmer than it is today... you know back when people weren't around...
Yep those idiots seem to think minor changes in climate might affect our ability to provide food and water for the 6.7 billion people that ARE here now.
maybe people should use a little sense before propagating to ensure there is a way to provide for their own family... a.k.a stop having kids... over-population may be the problem... not natural climate cycles.
They also seem to think that the fossil record indicates that natural fluctuations in climate have been causing species extinction and ecological crises for adapted ecosystems since the beginning of time. They don't understand that people like us don't CARE if people are affecting the climate because everything we do is the will of god anyway and we love driving SUVs and transporting our lettuce by cargo jet.
sarcasm noted, and ignored. There was also more Carbon and Oxygen in the atmosphere during both the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods which would help account for the massive size and abundance of life. Surely you aren't trying to imply that the only cause for extinctions were climate changes and had nothing to do with a massive meteor... no wait a super volcano... no wait shifting magnetic poles... no wait a layer of magnesium under the ocean floor... no wait... It's all good though Darwin says we will evolve or die to survive in our new warmer tropical climate that contains more food and water.
Crazy ass zealots- one of them talked with me about global warming for 15 minutes over dinner last weekend.
All these people that took all these college and graduate classes in environmental and atmospheric sciences are pompous asses that don't know what the hell they are talking about, and I wish they would just shut up about all this "science."
at the same time we can fight natural flucuations by combatting CO2 emissions. In the long run it would prolong human extinction. nihilists dont have to post their opinions about combatting global warming since we already no they dont care.
How do you think the K-T boundry extinction happened? Do you think the Chicxulub bolide landed on the dinosaurs and squished them?
It was the resulting climate change.
How do you think volcanism causes extinction??
Atmospheric effects. CLIMATE CHANGE.
Just because it is a natural part of geological history does NOT MEAN that aterations in climate won't be catastophic for mankind.
And JUST BECAUSE anthropogenic greenhouse emissions are not the ONLY THING affecting climate does NOT MEAN that we should IGNORE IT.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Originally posted by outfctrl The world is not going to come to the end. Our climate cycles over the years. This whole Global warming thing is just a scare.
97% of the world's scientists would disagree with you. And those people are all smarter than you are. Next!
Here we go again. Another lame solution for something that isn't happening.
Ok, stopped reading there.
No offense but there's thousands of counterarguments to show you the opposite, global warming does exist *GASP..I KNOW RIGHT*, people who have studied this their whole life:
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Yes, it's rather bright. It's not uncommon to get a worse sunburn in the winter, due to snow-glare, than you would in the summer. It gets, really, really.. bright.
I also live in a home surrounded by trees, save for the east side. It keeps most of the roof shaded from the sun, except for a fraction of the day, and yes.. limbs fall quite a lot, but the trees themselves do not hang directly over our home.
I am not a conservative.
It's logical to not produce large amounts of paint to cover all our homes. The benefit of heat reflection would be minimal compared to the cost and consequence of all the paint.
I'd rather support that the general population learn how to make things once again. To learn how to produce some food for themselves and to reuse products or simply make things for themselves; instead of relying on mass-manufacturing for all things we eat, wear and use. Not only because it's good for the environment, it's just good old common sense that people are far too dependent on an outside source to survive.
Our huge manufacturing plants and the resulting by-products and waste that come with them are the problem. Forcing strict guidelines or resolutions to the general people that are literally struggling to get by, will not do anything, as they are generally not the problem. The only thing everybody is guilty of, is the dependence on mass-manufacturing, that is something we can all evolve away from.
<completely ignores aeroplane since he has nothing to say>
Enkindu, another good option is a new tech I saw on history/science channels, a type of printed plastic solar panels, if you can't reflect the light, use it. These panels are akin to a thick comic book sleeve so it can be put in every shape and fashion, wouldn't work on roads but green house gasses would take a serious blow.
Yeah you are right!
Would be moronic to put new paint/ coatings on every roof on the planet, especially since they are all bare, unpainted, unsealed, uncovered surfaces.
Oh wait a minute...
It looks like I already have shingles on my roof...
And HOLY COW the roof of the building I work in is covered with roofing compound!
Wouldn't it be a hoot if we phased in new standards where new construction and new roofing used better HIGH ALBEDO materials instead of the standard LOW ALBEDO materials that are the current standard?
Damn that would be radical...
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
<gives Enkindu a barret, a bandolier, and a gun that shoots morons>
You radical you.
Well, if an environmentally safe, cost-efficient product can be manufactured as a replacement, I say have at it.
How do you propose everyone pay for a new roof?
You could modify the current standards and code for building a house/structure, but it would take a really long, long time before you start seeing white roofing a common practice.
One of the best options both in terms of carbon budget AND albedo with structures is the "greenroof."
Tons of other benefits as well.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Bear in mind also that paint production produces a lot of polution so just imagine how much paint would be needed to paint one country like say the UK. The ammount of pollution from energy usage to chemicals thrown away would be immense.
Another great example of Moore's Law. Give people access to that much space (developers and users alike) and they'll find uses for it that you can never imagine. "640K ought to be enough for anybody" - Bill Gates 1981
<gives Hyperion a cookie> Here occupy yourself with that.
This is true and farming could also be brought into the city as well, but the issue with that is the water usage of the city would sky rocket, and though jobs would be created for gardeners, I am not entirely sure how that would work. Another issue would be all the smaller structures such as private homes.
Yes, even if the supposed product were.. less of a pollutant. It will still be mass-produced and still very detrimental to the environment. It's incredibly similar to the hybrid car production. The cars are still rather expensive yet they still carry nearly the same cons that come with producing an automobile in a factory.
Same could be said with using "special" light bulbs. The cost and manufacturing process for the special bulbs (curly fixture design) are said to far outweigh the supposed benefit of actually using them.
Yes folks, it is a complex problem.
This does not mean we should just give up.
Legitimate ways to reduce anthropogenic warming (like increasing albedo) are worthy of consideration, and making fun of them just because you do not fully understand the science helps no one.
Alternatively I'm scouting for property at 50 degrees latitude or higher that sits around 23 feet above sea level so my grandchildren will have a place for their new tropical beachhouse.
Actually, scratch that.. it will have to be around 210 ft MSL if antarctica melts too.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
global warming will happen
when it becomes an absolute certainty, when we have seen the flooding and loss of drinking water, is that when we should start combating global warming?
or should we be preparing now? it would be pretty catastrophic if what I read on aol a couple months ago becomes true... there was a timeline with photos and predictions of 1/4 of the people in our world being without water within the next 150 years. It might have been 1/3 of the people and it might have been less than 150 years... I dont remember honestly but would love to find that article of scientist predictions again just because why the hell would a strongly republican biased company like aol post news like that????
anyways I watched some of the Discover Project Eartl series once; one episode had guys experimenting on growing algae out in the ocean because algae absorbs CO2 and then half of all that algae sinks to the bottom of the ocean. the wholes series had a new idea for something on each episode... like dropping seeds out of airplanes, giant machines that remove carbon dioxide, floating turbines that create energy... blah blah blah... at the end of more than half the episodes someone would say whether continuing the projects was worth in. In many cases it would be way too costly. The algae idea didn't seem too costly.
I just googled algae and global warming:
www.eco-trees.org/green-algae-stop-global-warming/
anyways I rather green jobs be made than war jobs to stimulate our economy.
Someone needs to explain something to me.
When did mocking environmental concerns become the "conservative" position on the environment?
Since Bush and other republicans began to mock global warming as a fake concern, I suppose Terry. Sorry, if you are a conservative and don't believe as such, but in general he who speaks last is the one most people remember, it's human nature. And I personally haven't heard any Republicans recently talking enviroment.
Sorry I'm late but come on now outfctrl. If McCain was in office and was saying this stuff you would paint your roof snow white. Palin would be telling people to try to fart less. Come on now admit it.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Sorry I'm late but come on now outfctrl. If McCain was in office and was saying this stuff you would paint your roof snow white. Palin would be telling people to try to fart less. Come on now admit it.
I swear, Brian. You just love to take stabs at me....LOL...back to the topic
While the reflection of visible light from white surfaces being an improvement over black colors, what many people don't realize is that lots of materials change emissive properties radically when you're talking about infrared (heat) wavelengths. For example, metal oxide paints, including titanium oxide (white) paint, are very emissive in the infrared, which means the only benefit you gain from them is the energy reflected in the visible wavelengths.
A better choice would be a metal foil coating, with gold being the best choice in the visible and infrared wavelengths. Better make sure your state has a Castle Doctrine first, though.
And liberals can use tinfoil.
See man? That's good information.
Relevant, and stuff that I didn't know.
Intelligent discourse is better than namecalling for both of us, don't you think?
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
global warming will happen
when it becomes an absolute certainty, when we have seen the flooding and loss of drinking water, is that when we should start combating global warming?
or should we be preparing now? it would be pretty catastrophic if what I read on aol a couple months ago becomes true... there was a timeline with photos and predictions of 1/4 of the people in our world being without water within the next 150 years. It might have been 1/3 of the people and it might have been less than 150 years... I dont remember honestly but would love to find that article of scientist predictions again just because why the hell would a strongly republican biased company like aol post news like that????
anyways I watched some of the Discover Project Eartl series once; one episode had guys experimenting on growing algae out in the ocean because algae absorbs CO2 and then half of all that algae sinks to the bottom of the ocean. the wholes series had a new idea for something on each episode... like dropping seeds out of airplanes, giant machines that remove carbon dioxide, floating turbines that create energy... blah blah blah... at the end of more than half the episodes someone would say whether continuing the projects was worth in. In many cases it would be way too costly. The algae idea didn't seem too costly.
I just googled algae and global warming:
www.eco-trees.org/green-algae-stop-global-warming/
anyways I rather green jobs be made than war jobs to stimulate our economy.
anyone care to comment on my post^ before this thread disappears from the stratosphere?
Global warming zealots are funny... they act like the average global temperature during the Cretaceous period wasn't 5° - 10 ° C warmer than it is today... you know back when people weren't around...
Yep those idiots seem to think minor changes in climate might affect our ability to provide food and water for the 6.7 billion people that ARE here now.
They also seem to think that the fossil record indicates that natural fluctuations in climate have been causing species extinction and ecological crises for adapted ecosystems since the beginning of time. They don't understand that people like us don't CARE if people are affecting the climate because everything we do is the will of god anyway and we love driving SUVs and transporting our lettuce by cargo jet.
Crazy ass zealots- one of them talked with me about global warming for 15 minutes over dinner last weekend.
All these people that took all these college and graduate classes in environmental and atmospheric sciences are pompous asses that don't know what the hell they are talking about, and I wish they would just shut up about all this "science."
Jeez.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
Yep those idiots seem to think minor changes in climate might affect our ability to provide food and water for the 6.7 billion people that ARE here now.
maybe people should use a little sense before propagating to ensure there is a way to provide for their own family... a.k.a stop having kids... over-population may be the problem... not natural climate cycles.
They also seem to think that the fossil record indicates that natural fluctuations in climate have been causing species extinction and ecological crises for adapted ecosystems since the beginning of time. They don't understand that people like us don't CARE if people are affecting the climate because everything we do is the will of god anyway and we love driving SUVs and transporting our lettuce by cargo jet.
sarcasm noted, and ignored. There was also more Carbon and Oxygen in the atmosphere during both the Jurassic and Cretaceous periods which would help account for the massive size and abundance of life. Surely you aren't trying to imply that the only cause for extinctions were climate changes and had nothing to do with a massive meteor... no wait a super volcano... no wait shifting magnetic poles... no wait a layer of magnesium under the ocean floor... no wait... It's all good though Darwin says we will evolve or die to survive in our new warmer tropical climate that contains more food and water.
Crazy ass zealots- one of them talked with me about global warming for 15 minutes over dinner last weekend.
All these people that took all these college and graduate classes in environmental and atmospheric sciences are pompous asses that don't know what the hell they are talking about, and I wish they would just shut up about all this "science."
Jeez.
at the same time we can fight natural flucuations by combatting CO2 emissions. In the long run it would prolong human extinction. nihilists dont have to post their opinions about combatting global warming since we already no they dont care.
You're killin me brain child!
How do you think the K-T boundry extinction happened? Do you think the Chicxulub bolide landed on the dinosaurs and squished them?
It was the resulting climate change.
How do you think volcanism causes extinction??
Atmospheric effects. CLIMATE CHANGE.
Just because it is a natural part of geological history does NOT MEAN that aterations in climate won't be catastophic for mankind.
And JUST BECAUSE anthropogenic greenhouse emissions are not the ONLY THING affecting climate does NOT MEAN that we should IGNORE IT.
deviliscious: (PS. I have been told that when I use scientific language, it does not make me sound more intelligent, it only makes me sound like a jackass. It makes me appear that I am not knowledgable enough in the subject I am discussing to be able to translate it for people outside the field to understand. Some advice you might consider as well)
97% of the world's scientists would disagree with you. And those people are all smarter than you are. Next!
Ok, stopped reading there.
No offense but there's thousands of counterarguments to show you the opposite, global warming does exist *GASP..I KNOW RIGHT*, people who have studied this their whole life:
www.ipcc.ch/ipccreports/tp-climate-change-water.htm
If you don't want to believe me, believe them. Anyway, only one comment this time, I'm probably wasting my time.