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Cheating in Warhammer
Larry2298
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Tonight on EU server, our warband spotted 2 Destruction cheating in the game. We all witness the lv21 and lv23 are invincible which means they do not take any slightly damages under 3 parties attack. ZERO damages and under no healer heals them. This 2 guys wiped out all our warband members.
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Were you in a Keep?
The first player lv23 we confronted was in a keep (Ghrond). He was invincible.
Then, we went to capturing a BO, there was another destruction lv21, she was invncible as well, then the lv23 show up again at BO, both don't take even 1 damage even there were many debuffs or suffering xxx dmg per second. They just invincible.
We were defending a Keep since 12 am in Avelon, the lv23 first show up at that time and lv21 show up around 1:55 am CEST.
Global.Cool.Down.
Or maybe it's just that it's a PvP game. You didn't really expect no hacks in a PvP game, did you?
"TO MICHAEL!"
Cheating is like influenza - if the person (or game) is basically healthy, it's an inconvenience. However, if the person (or game) is already ailing, it's potentially terminal.
When a few players can completely invalidate the few rewarding things to do on the few populated servers left, that's not a good thing.
Not that I think it's necessarily at that point right now. However, I do think it's uncomfortably close.
Did you report them? A few weeks ago my WB came up against a KotBS speed hacking. We all sent in a hacking report and within 5 minutes I was contacted by a CSR that asked me a few questions and then said they would look into the matter. Never saw the character again.
Since you were fighting both of them for 2 hours I would guess no one bothered reporting them.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
The amount of client side hacks you can do in this game is retarded. Just another reason I will not be resubscribing to it. I know you have to make a lot of stuff client side, but I mean come on srsly Devs....people cheat. You need to take the proper steps to insure a 'safe' game.
A few things you can do: ( the list is pretty long )
+Speed Hacks - lets your character run much faster than normal.
+Walk underground/walk through walls - you can sink under the ground and move around.
+Lock Speed - allows you to ignore snare, root, knockdown, stun and similar effects.
+Flying! – Allows you to fly around the game world.
+Self-Resurrect – allows you to respawn right where you died instead of back at the warcamp.
+Slow Fall/No Fall Damage – allows you to ignore falling damage by either falling slowly or just ignoring it
+DeadWalker - allows the player to walk while dead without getting aggro
I wont link to the various programs, but a quick trip to Youtube should prove this stuff is legit.
They were all set to use some kind of stripped down version of punkbuster to secure their game but I haven't heard of it ever since they released the game. I wouldn't be surprised if they were forced to do away with it for performance, which would basically mean their intended defense structure against cheating was removed along with it.
Report them? Have you seen the movie acted by Nicholas Cage, in the movie, he acts as FBI agent sent to East Europe to recover a important evidence, in the end, his Boss was behind this. I heard one guy in our warband reported them at once. What would you think?
Blizzard is a stock public company so they could total control their game, and Turbine still need to rely on Codemaster to host their game in Europe. What about a smaller company? They may rely on private to boost their game in Europe and share the profit. It's all about money.
In order to balance the game and keep players, there is always a small group to capture all BOs and Keeps after midnight under Destruction control. In my other post, I said I suspected paid player, actually, I don't mean those avatars are controlled by players because they seemed to be programmed robots, some of them just followed the group to be there, and they don't fight, it seems to me that they lose internet connection or out of battery.
I also think the client side is the drill. I experienced 100 player's battle, I have very high spec PC and good internet connection but it was real laggy, you may think it is naturally, but I swear to God, none of Destruction was laggy, it is probably speed hack. Every one of Destruction got speed buff. The way they fought and the speed just not normal.
Myself have experienced those codes, ie, +Lock Speed, it has happened to many Destruction players already. The cheat code has been widely being used in Warhammer as I believed.
You're absolutely right. There is a lot of hacking going on in WAR, but I would say no more than any other successful MMO game out there. Look at the WoW hacks, look at the Darkfall hacks. I don't really see your point singling out WAR like it's an exception to the rule. Hacking IS the rule.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Warhammer has been released long ago but the European forum still is BETA version. Does it meaning anything to you? They can't even final their website so it is highly probability they would not able to do anything about cheat.
And tonight, our wb met this Orc again at same Keep in Avelorn, he did not use immune cheat but our 3 parties just couldn't hit him over 40% damages, and he heals real fast. Our wb just gave up. The guy reported him yesterday seems only makes him fine tune his cheat for better.
I also heard Warhammer is going to F2P with Item Mall in Korea. What does that means? As I know if a game out of competition then they will go F2P, and if a game stop produce new contents then they will provided Item Mall.
If the game company so seriously to keep their game at high quality, you bet I'd report this player.
And for those you described as conspiracy. Actualy, it's business solutions, or you may call it more properly as Business Strategy.
To describe the lag, I believed it's happened on one side. Because Destruction can move every steps, and strike every hits, nearly everyone, but my avatar just couldn't move or even make a strike. Simply to said, the opponent run around smoothly, but my avatar just able to stood there and the action bar seemed all freezed even you clicked on it but there is no response. Their speed is out of normal, if they don't get buff from client side, there wouldn't have any battle because everyone will just too lag to do anything.
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Just go to kosbusted.com even aoc all of them have programs called aocbuddy. Reason I quit aoc, then started war and heck the same thing is happening.
War going f2p Asia:
Chinese source: newgame.duowan.com/0905/107257855124.html
Translation: translate.google.ca/translate
And if I remember correct, the US forums are also still in beta. (go main website, click forums and then check the same icon again)
I assume you don't play any online games then?
Just to add another type of cheat code I have seen today in Empire T1.
A lv10 Destruction hided in the house without door to farming opponents, he can reached you but you can't hit him, and he can run through any object from house to house.
As you may know any 3D objects such as stones, trees, decorative items around BOs or Keeps or even stairs could easily get you stuck. I think that's how the cheat code based on. If the game wants to control the cheat, I guess the overall 3D obejects in the entire game may need to remodify.
Um, Blizzard is owned by Vivendi Universal. The only reason Blizzard has full reign over their operations is because they are the most successful company in gaming history.
Haven't seen any hacks yet (at least not any noticable ones), but if you do see one the best you can do is to report it. I don't recall seeing any in WoW either back when I played it (botting and massive amounts of gold seller spam seemed to be the the real problems there). Blizzard uses a spyware-like tool called Warden which is installed on your system without you knowing it, to locate possible hacks you have running while playing the game. Perhaps that's how Punkbuster works too? They were talking about using Punkbuster and also had it active during the beta, but there was a lot of resistance against them using it so maybe it's not active yet (and maybe it won't be). I've played a few FPS games that used Punkbuster and it seemed to do diddly-squat to prevent the relentless hacking going on in those games. I would guess the Warden system is pretty effective at spotting hackers, so Mythic might want to do something similar if hacks start becoming more common.
About the WoW hacks - all of them are fixed, every single one and they were fixed as soon as they went public.
Has Mythic done this?
Fail.
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"TO MICHAEL!"
Actually everyone with a brain knows this as you have to accept it when you install and every single time they release a patch for it.
True, if you are one of the very few who actually read the EULA and also are a computer wiz who actually know what that entry means, you'd know (has that entry always been there, by the way?). While this sort of behaviour from companies can be considered dubious (not that I think Blizzard would do anything malicious with it - I trust them enough - but other companies might), I suppose it's quite effective.
I wouldn't go that far but yeah it wasn't ever overly present luckily. Saw some speed hackers during my play time, a few that shot up through walls (mostly in Warsong gulch, no not the jump jump thing, actual cheating), but overall there was very little of it, it's the botters that were very prevalent during a certain period, although that certainly died down a lot eventually.
It seems to me that more and more people are using cheat code in European server. It has been escalated yet to its maximum level. Last night, when we defended a T3 Keep in Empire, 2 warbands all noticed 3 destruction used cheats, and the Regional chat chennel all of a sudden spammed with those names, report him, frezy losers ...something like that.
Since more and more people uses cheat code so they believed there is nothing the game company can do, however, It has encourged more people to use cheat code.
Something not relevant with cheat code here is the Initiative. I hate to be critted so I have tried to increase the Initiatives as possible as I can. Finally, my stats drops to 7.4% but I still being critted by Destruction nearly 2 out of 3 strikes. Man, critical hit 959 dmg was hurt. I have mentioned in other post about the Talisman enhancement, the game will not able to remember your enhanced stats sometimes, so I suspect if these stats are real calculated in battle.
Does the game really count my anti-critical rate 7.4%?
I encountered a self-heal cheater today, each time I met this guy it was the same thing over and over. A level 5 that could heal faster than an entire WB could hurt him and with no healer in sight. Very annoying and demoralizing. No point in reporting the player though, no proof other than what we seen, and the fact that nothing is going to happen to that player.
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